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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:34 AM
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Damn, it's 'Nam: Americans are now in a familar tight spot
Damn, it's 'Nam: Americans are now in a familar tight spot
by Eric Margolis | Sep 9 2007


We all know what "deja vu" is. But I recently read of a condition psychiatrists call "jamais vu." That's where one sees something very familiar, but cannot identify it.

Both the White House and U.S. military seemed gripped by jamais vu.

Many of the same mistakes made in the Vietnam War are being repeated in Iraq and Afghanistan, but neither the White House, Pentagon, nor U.S. field commanders seem to recognize or understand them.

This week, Gen. David Petreaus, commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, will issue a report on the "progress" his troops are making in Iraq in the face of serious problems, and hint at future troop reductions.

The report will speak of important security successes in Baghdad and Anbar province. Gen. Petreaus is a very smart, highly respected commander, but one suspects his report will unfortunately be the latest example of jamais vu syndrome.

U.S. commanders in Iraq, like their Canadian counterparts in Afghanistan, keep proudly reporting how their men have occupied villages or towns, killed scores of "suspected terrorists" (usually thanks to air attack), and forced the enemy to flee.

They do not seem to understand they are fighting a fluid guerrilla war in which territory and body counts mean little.

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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:40 AM
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1. his report is going to be written by the whitehouse
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:49 AM
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2. Well duh! They got rid of anyobdy that thought VietNam wasn't caused by the hippies. nt
Edited on Sun Sep-09-07 11:49 AM by bemildred
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 12:19 PM
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3. Ten years ago I would never in the world have thought....
that this country would get themselves into another mess like Viet Nam. I didn't realize how many people were bitterly harboring the desire to go back in time and "win" in Viet Nam. So, they re-created it. Unfreakingbelievable.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 01:30 PM
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4. Jamais vu = never seen.
Versus déja vu = already seen.
This usually refers to people who have had a dream the night before, and then the next day they realize they have already dreamed it. It's usually a moment of astonishment, WOW I just dreamed that I would be in this little shop, buying this ice cream cone. How.....awesome.

Nightmare.
Our involvement in Iraq is a nightmare. It's something that's gradually dawning on Americans: even if we wanted to get out, we can't. We're trapped in the hot Iraqi sands, the jeep is spinning its wheels while its axle is stuck. We can't get out.

Jamais vu?
Now as far as not connecting between V-i-e-t-n-a-m and I-r-a-q... I find that hard to believe. They THINK it's different this time. THIS TIME, it's about oil and controlling the Middle East and the stakes are so much higher this time. VN was a kindergarten joke; this is the real deal and so on. But deep down, inside themselves, they know it's much, much worse. It's VN on steroids times 100.

Iraq - Part II.
If we can get out with as little damage as Viet Nam, we should consider ourselves lucky. But I doubt it. This one is much, much worse.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 01:42 PM
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5. Let's talk about "freedom fries vu." That's where your greedy, lying, thieving, murdering,
conscienceless, illegitimate government leaders--(s)elected by rightwing Bushite electronic voting corporations, with voting machines run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, and virtually no audit/recount controls--PLAN to REPEAT the unjust, unnecessary, horrifying Vietnam War, INTEND TO drag you into a similar quagmire so that you can never get out, and HAVE PLANNED FOR DECADES that, once they have overcome the "lessons of Vietnam" learned by the American people, by means of stolen elections combined with relentless, 24/7 warmongering and fascist propaganda--all channels all the time--to spread the war to the entire Middle East, a) to smash its people and gain control of Mideast oil, and b) to terrorize, militarize, nazify, loot and destroy the United States of America, and most especially to break the American people as a potential check on global predator power.

Although the Vietnam War seemed like a quagmire, to the American people, once they caught up with it, around 1967, in truth the fascists and war profiteers had been planning that holocaust for two decades, by nixing UN-sponsored elections in Vietnam after WW II and the Vietnamese peoples' successful war for independence against the French--elections that the communists, led by freedom fighter Ho Chi Minh, would have won, fair and square--and then sending the CIA into Vietnam to create an artificial, and highly corrupt, U.S.-sponsored "South Vietnam," which the U.S. purported to be "defending," and, one by one, removing every American political obstacle to an ever-expanding war, first by assassinating JFK (who opposed it, and began taking measures to stop it, in the final year of his short-circuited presidency), then by-passing the Constitution and a formal declaration of war by Congress, which would have necessitated open public discussion, by cooking up the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident and escalating the war by mere resolution, behind the backs of the American people, in 1964, with the Democratic presidential candidate, LBJ, LYING to the American people that he was the "candidate for peace"; and finally by assassinating MLK and RFK, two major opponents of the war around whom the great, peace-minded, justice-minded, progressive American majority were beginning to rally, in 1968.

With these obstacles out of the way, the war profiteers began really partying--stealing billions and billions of dollars from the American people, for a completely unnecessary war in which the carnage began to pile up like some nightmare of nazi ovens. TWO MILLION PEOPLE would be dead before it was over.

As the American people became more and more aware of the war, in the mid-1960s--and more and more young men were drafted into the jungles of Vietnam to kill or be killed--and antiwar sentiment began to gather steam--- the government lies began to come thick and fast, and began also to feel like deja vu. Month after month, year after year, "the light at the end of the tunnel" was about to be seen, the "enemy" body counts were interpreted as the smell of impending victory, and, with every announcement of "progress," the horrors against the Vietnamese, and then the Cambodian and Laotian, people, were escalated. More "theaters of war," more bombings, more napalming of jungles, rice fields, villages, children, women, the elderly--all were the "enemy"--a truth of every war for independence. Children, women and the elderly can also fight for their country against unjust invasion--especially when they have a 5,000 year tradition of doing so--and some, of course, did. U.S. soldiers learned to shoot at anything small and brown--in self-defense and sometimes in a psychotic rage at their own unjust situation.

The fascists and the war profiteers PLANNED the Vietnam War, as a looting expedition--looting of the AMERICAN PEOPLE--long before it became a "quagmire." They knew it would BECOME a quagmire. (There were many, many warnings, and studies, and experts who said, "never get involved in a ground war in Asia," long before the public knew who they were--insiders knew.) They didn't care if the U.S. won or lost, except in so far as they could keep war funds feeding the beast, with the enticement of ever-illusive "victory." They were/are WAR PROFITEERS.

And they are deliberately, consciously, on purpose doing it AGAIN. Endless war for endless profits. That's what we are looking at. Everything else--even the oil--is ancillary.

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The writer of the OP states the following:

"U.S. commanders in Iraq, like their Canadian counterparts in Afghanistan, keep proudly reporting how their men have occupied villages or towns, killed scores of 'suspected terrorists' (usually thanks to air attack), and forced the enemy to flee.

"They do not seem to understand they are fighting a fluid guerrilla war in which territory and body counts mean little."

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Let me re-write these sentences, because I don't think the author is stating our current horror accurately:


"U.S. commanders in Iraq, like their counterparts four decades ago, in Vietnam, keep proudly reporting (and more than likely deceptively exaggerating or outright lying about) how their men have occupied villages or towns, killed scores of 'suspected terrorists'--read: killed scores of 'suspected communists'--(usually thanks to air attack, which we don't hear about much here), and forced the enemy (with its civilian support system in carnage, blown to bits--children, women, the elderly) to flee--while the war profiteers party on.

"It's not that they (U.S. commanders) 'do not seem to understand' guerrilla war. They understand it well enough. It's that they, and the war profiteers that they are working for, have deliberately, and with malice aforethought, placed U.S. troops in the midst of another CIVILIAN war for independence and self-determination, in which territory and body counts mean little. And who gets killed means nothing! U.S. soldiers, so what? War is hell. The peaceful, the innocent, non-combatants, doesn't matter. Everyone is 'the enemy' when you are INVADING and OCCUPYING a place that you have no right to be. What this 'enemy' believes and what it may be fighting for doesn't matter to those ordering the killing and 'occupation.' The goal is to smash, demoralize, horrify, terrorize, and completely dominate them, while the 'masters of the universe' create a puppet government to force them to sign over their peoples' oil rights, and the war profiteers party on--here, in Dubai, in Kuwait, in board rooms and private jets and luxurious conference centers, and spas, all over the globe."

General Petraeus and his ilk, Bush, Cheney, and virtually every member of the U.S. Congress, are the EMPLOYEES of WAR PROFITEERS. So, NOTHING they say will make any sense. OF COURSE it is a guerrilla war. OF COURSE they are lying about it AGAIN. And because they did it BEFORE--and because the Vietnam War is still in living memory--and because the American people "learned the lessons of Vietnam"--THIS TIME, they had to accompany their sneaky "Gulf of Tonkin" resolution--the Iraq War "Resolution"--with another bill, the so-called "Help America Vote Act" (e-voting by secret code with no audit controls), in the same month (October 2002), to provide themselves with the means to shove Vietnam War II down the throats of the American people, 56% of whom opposed it from the beginning (Feb. '03), and a whopping 70% of whom oppose it now.

It is useless to talk of military tactics and the U.S. military's congenital lying. It's not that the generals and their puppetmasters don't understand. It's that they DO understand. And they are all partying on at our expense. We, the American people, the Iraqi people, the Iranian people, the Afghans, world peace, the planet--none of it matters when you are flush with unaccountable cash, and drunk with blood and power.
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