A 9/11 conspiracy virus is sweeping the world, but it has no basis in fact

[T_i_B]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2006529,00.html

There is a virus sweeping the world. It infects opponents of the Bush government, sucks their brains out through their eyes and turns them into gibbering idiots. First cultivated in a laboratory in the US, the strain reached these shores a few months ago. In the past fortnight, it has become an epidemic. Scarcely a day now passes without someone possessed by this sickness, eyes rolling, lips flecked with foam, trying to infect me. The disease is called Loose Change. It is a film made by three young men that airs most of the standard conspiracy theories about the attacks of September 11 2001. Unlike the other 9/11 conspiracy films, Loose Change is sharp and swift, with a thumping soundtrack, slick graphics and a calm and authoritative voiceover. Its makers claim that it has now been watched by 100 million people.

Even if you have seen or read no other accounts of 9/11, and your brain has not yet been liquidised, a few problems must occur to you. The first is the complete absence of scientific advice. At one point, the presenter asks: "So what brought down the twin towers? Let's ask the experts." But they don't ask the experts. The film-makers take some old quotes, edit them to remove any contradictions, then denounce all subsequent retractions as further evidence of conspiracy.

The only people they interview are a janitor, a group of firemen, and a flight instructor. They let the janitor speak at length, but cut the firemen off in mid-sentence. The flight instructor speaks in short clips, which give the impression that his pupil, the hijacker Hani Hanjour, was incapable of hitting the Pentagon. Elsewhere he has said the opposite: he had "no doubt" that Hanjour could have done it. Where are the structural engineers, the materials scientists, the specialists in ballistics, explosives or fire?

The next evident flaw is that the plot they propose must have involved tens of thousands of people. It could not have been executed without the help of demolition experts, the security firms guarding the World Trade Centre, Mayor Giuliani (who hastily disposed of the remains), much of the US air force, the Federal Aviation Administration and the North American Aerospace Defence Command, the relatives of the people "killed" in the plane crashes, the rest of the Pentagon's staff, the Los Alamos laboratories, the FBI, the CIA, and the investigators who picked through the rubble.

[sam sarrha]

1. when they went down like they did i immediately thought they must have been defective and someone

wanted to get rid of them and collect on the insurance.. that is what i thought as i saw them collapsing the first time,

and why would the government ignore 50 warnings from numerous countries..in the few months before.. and for gODs sake there were people sitting in the halls waiting to tell the president or anyone else it was going to happen .. FBI people screaming at their bosses about Arabs taking flight lessons.. ASScroft personally denied warrants to 3/4's of the attackers, no one was getting warrants

sorry but i believe they let it happen.. all you have to do is look at the film of our wet brain alcoholic drug addict AWOL draft dodger pResident sitting and listening to the reports of a foreign attack on our country in that classroom and acting like a Mafia Don getting the word the Hit went down ok

[Nostradammit]

2. I don't think this person's ever seen "Loose Change"

Because anyone who has would not call the voiceover voice "authoritative."

It sounds like someone's pubescent brother trying to sound much older.

But the flimsy nature of the movie does nothing to detract from the questions it attempts to ask.

From the article:

"demolition experts, the security firms guarding the World Trade Centre, Mayor Giuliani (who hastily disposed of the remains), much of the US air force, the Federal Aviation Administration and the North American Aerospace Defence Command, the relatives of the people "killed" in the plane crashes, the rest of the Pentagon's staff, the Los Alamos laboratories, the FBI, the CIA, and the investigators who picked through the rubble."

Well, let's see; before 9-11 I'd have thought it impossible but since then we've learned that Marvin Bush was on the BOD of the company doing security, the building had just been sold and had major asbestos issues, Giuliani is a slimy crook who's used the tragedy to launch his presidential bid, the U.S. Air Force is directed by a bunch of Armageddon-Loving Whackos, Dick Cheney was conducting war games that day to "simulate" hijacked airplane scenarios and the CIA and FBI are riddled with fascists. So apart from the families of the victims I'd say there were plenty of people who would participate.

And my lips are not flecked with foam. Methinks he doth protest too much. And nobody's ever explained WTC 7 to my satisfaction.

[CJCRANE]

3. "9/11: Press for Truth"

is a much better documentary and factually based.

And David Ray Griffin's "New Pearl Harbor" is a very sober assessment of the possible scenarios.

But of course the MSM prefers not to give airtime to credible 9/11 investigators.

[T_i_B]

4. Oh, Monbiot does mention that tin foil hatter

From the article

Where are the structural engineers, the materials scientists, the specialists in ballistics, explosives or fire? The film-makers now say that the third edition of the film will be fact-checked by an expert, but he turns out to be "a theology professor". They don't name him, but I would bet that it's David Ray Griffin, who also happens to be the high priest of the 9/11 conspiracists.

[CJCRANE]

6. I avoid all the structural minutiae.

I'm not qualified and I don't think most people understand it. But if you look at the financial, political and intelligence evidence available there are some very compelling questions that Griffin and others have asked that the MSM never covers (in fact some of these questions have even been answered to a certain extent but the MSM still ignores them - see the post in GD about Bob Graham, if it's still there).

[T_i_B]

7. Oh the structural minutiae is a very big part of MIHOP theories

especially "controlled demolition" theories. The trouble here is that the loonies spouting the controlled demolition theories come out with more phoney junk science then an 18th century quack doctor. A good example is the now legendary thread from the September 11th dungeon below.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x56836

And then you lot wonder why the rest of us don't take you seriously. :eyes:

[CJCRANE]

8. It's probably safer for them

to concentrate on that than to name specific people involved.

I don't know if I could personally stand up in public and name some of the powerful figures from foreign governments who are suspects. Some may laugh at the "conspiracy theorists" but for the people on the receiving end of anthrax and polonium those type of conspiracies aren't so funny.

[ixion]

5. when I refute the 'official' narrative of 911, I base my assumptions on

physics and chemistry and nothing more.

There are serious problems with the official story, as it relates to the laws of physics and chemistry. Until those questions are answered with a satisfactory answer, rather than name-calling, I'll continue to believe what I have believed from day one: that it was an inside job.

Thanks very much for all the insults, though.

[irislake]

9. To refute the official story and prove complicity

you only need to know what Bush, Rummy, Cheney and Meyers were doing (twiddling their thumbs except for Cheney who was .....hmmmmmm) as opposed to what they should have been doing to protect the country after they had oodles of warning a terrorist attack was imminent. And oh, what about all those "exercises" that caused the NORAD standdown? Who needs the rest of it? In particular was Rummy really chatting with somebody "business as usual" while a hijacked plane took quite a while to get there before crashing into the building? If so why wasn't he doing what he should have been doing to prevent it? Too obvious. Only idiots or true believers don't find this absolutely damning! The four members of government most responsible for protecting the country must have been the only folks on this face of this earth who carried on as if it was a normal day waiting for the events to unfold. (Again --- Cheney excepted.) Also check the lies they told concerning what they were doing and why. "Nobody could ever have imagined" and all the other lies. They acted like guilty people and they are. I cannot understand how any intelligent person capable of logic and in possesion of the facts accepts the official version.

[CJCRANE]

10. I remembered

from the '93 bombing that 50,000 people work in the WTC on any given day...and yet somehow * and Rumsfeld had no interest in what was happening there.

The biggest plane accident or terrorist attack in history and they did...nothing (and they were the only two authorised to give the shootdown order since the procedure was changed in summer 2001, which also begs the question - why was Cheney running the show, i.e. the response, if he didn't officially have the authority?)