Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 275

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Editorials & Other Articles Donate to DU
 
top10 ADMIN Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 11:35 PM
Original message
The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 275
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 12:38 AM by EarlG


The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 275

January 22, 2007
Buffaloed Bill Edition

It's Top 10 time again! This week, Bill O'Reilly (1) gets the Colbert treatment - and apparently thinks that it must be fun to get kidnapped. Meanwhile, Frank Hargrove (2) is so over slavery, The Pentagon (3,6) is reintroducing witch trials, and Alberto Gonzales (4,5) thinks judges are a waste of time. Enjoy, and don't forget the key!



Bill O'Reilly

Our old friend Bill O'Reilly made a very foolish mistake last week: he tried to go toe to toe with Stephen Colbert. The unfortunate (for O'Reilly) results can be seen here and here.

But getting hosed by Colbert was probably enjoyable for the Falafel Master after the firestorm of criticism he received earlier in the week. The trouble began when Bill decided to offer up his opinion on the case of Shawn Hornbeck, the missing Missouri boy who was recently found alive. At the age of 11, Hornbeck was allegedly kidnapped by Michael Devlin and held for four years. Over two nights on "The O'Reilly Factor," Bill's musings included the following:

"...the question is, why didn't he escape when he could have? There are all kinds of theories about that. Joining us now from Washington, Greta Van Susteren, who has been out to Missouri reporting on the case. All right, you know, the Stockholm syndrome thing, I don't buy it. I've never bought it. I didn't think it happened in the Patty Hearst case. I don't think it happened here."

"I'm not buying this. If you're 11 years old or 12 years old, 13, and you have a strong bond with your family, OK, even if the guy threatens you, this and that, you're riding your bike around, you got friends. The kid didn't go to school. There's all kinds of stuff. If you can get away, you get away. All right? If you're 11."

"The situation here for this kid looks to me to be a lot more fun than what he had under his old parents. He didn't have to go to school. He could run around and do whatever he wanted."

"I think when it all comes down, what's going to happen is, there was an element here that this kid liked about his circumstances."

"I actually hope I'm wrong about Shawn Hornbeck. I hope he did not make a conscious decision to accept his captivity because Devlin made things easy for him. No school, play all day long."

Don't worry Bill, you're wrong about everything else, no reason to think that this case will be any different.

Predictably, Bill's comments were received poorly, with everyone from Keith Olbermann to Time Magazine smacking down the old duffer. So who is O'Reilly blaming for this mess? You guessed it - it's all the fault of the "far-left smear Web sites." Now why am I not surprised?



Frank Hargrove

The Virginia House of Delegates recently debated a resolution apologizing on behalf of the state to the descendants of slaves, which did not sit too well with Del. Frank Hargrove (R-Obviously) of Glen Allen. You see, Hargrove is of the opinion that that whole "slavery" thing is all in the past, and as he told the Daily Progress last week, "the present commonwealth has nothing to do with slavery."

He then went on to add, "I personally think that our black citizens should get over it. ... Are we going to force the Jews to apologize for killing Christ?"

Yeah. He actually said that.

Several of Hargrove's fellow delegates decided to object to this on the floor of the state house. Here's what happened next:

Del. Frank D. Hargrove, R-Glen Allen, responded to a tearful Jewish delegate from Alexandria whose ancestors came to America from Nazi-occupied Poland by telling him, "I think your skin was a little too thin."

Stunned delegates gasped as Hargrove responded with two comments about "thin skin"to his seatmate, Del. David L. Englin, D-Alexandria, who had spoken moments earlier about his family having been "driven from their homes by people who believed that as Jews, we killed Christ."

Shocking stuff - but not to House GOP Leader H. Morgan Griffith. Griffith later said of Hargrove's little tirade, "I know he didn't mean offense, but I can see how people would be offended ... The general gist of Frank's comments is he certainly didn't mean any offense to his seatmate, whom he likes."

Sure he likes him! Apart from the fact that his people killed Jesus. And he's friends with black people, who should get over slavery. But hey, no offense!



The Pentagon

More exciting news from the War On Terror this week as we learn that the Pentagon has introduced new rules for the trials of suspected terrorists. These new rules could allow the accused to be "convicted and perhaps executed using hearsay testimony and coerced statements," according to the Associated Press.

Let me get that whole "of course we should actively pursue and capture terrorists" thing out of the way before adding, HELLO! Convicting people based on hearsay and coerced statements?

At a Pentagon briefing, Dan Dell'Orto, deputy to the Defense Department's top counsel, said the new rules will "afford all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized people."

Yes, sure, apart from that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing which is so pre-9/11.

Tell you what, why don't we take the suspected terrorist and throw him into a lake. If the accused sinks to the bottom and drowns, then he is innocent and can go free. If, on the other hand, the accused floats, then he is obviously a terrorist and should be immediately burned at the stake.



Alberto Gonzales

Apparently I'm not the only one who thinks that doing away with trials would be a great idea...

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales says federal judges are unqualified to make rulings affecting national security policy, ramping up his criticism of how they handle terrorism cases.

In remarks prepared for delivery Wednesday, Gonzales says judges generally should defer to the will of the president and Congress when deciding national security cases.

Yes, that's right. The Attorney General of the United States thinks that judges should defer to the will of the president (and Congress - ha ha, yeah, sure!) on national security cases. Makes sense. I mean, who better to decide national security cases than The Decider himself?

Here's how it used to work under the crappy old "separation of powers" system: you have three branches of government - the legislative branch, which writes the laws; the executive branch, which enforces the laws; and the judicial branch, which interprets the laws. But in a post-9/11 world, I think you'll have to agree that that's a pretty stupid system.

See, when you have a bunch of people in prison who are accused of terrorism with no evidence to go on but the statement you got from some other suspected terrorist after you waterboarded him, it just makes sense to skip that whole "judicial branch" bit. Those activist judges are far too keen to get in the way of the president's efforts to protect America.

In fact, perhaps we should just put the judicial branch in prison. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to find some hearsay evidence that would convict them all.



Alberto Gonzales (and Arlen Specter)

Perhaps that's taking things a bit too far. After all, why scrap the judicial system when you can simply stuff it with stooges? Last week, U.S. Attorney Carol Lam was fired by Alberto Gonzales for... well, apparently for not being a classmate of George W. Bush. According to the San Diego Union-Tribune, "Lam's strong record of fighting political corruption and drug kingpins certainly did not provide any grounds for her dismissal."

The good news is that her likely replacement, Pat Shea, is a former classmate of George W. Bush. They went to Harvard together. Shea says that "he and the president remain in regular contact with each other and he voices keen interest in the job of U.S. attorney." How convenient!

Oh, did I mention that it was Carol Lam who successfully prosecuted former GOP congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham? Tsk tsk. Can't have rogue attorneys running around putting prominent Republicans in jail, can we.

If Pat Shea is nominated to replace Carol Lam, he'll have to face the brutal Senate confirmation process. Well, technically he won't actually have to face it, because thanks to Arlen Specter a last-second provision was magically inserted into the Patriot Act which says that the president can bypass the Senate confirmation process and indefinitely appoint an "interim" U.S attorney.

I say again, how convenient! This White House just gets all the luck.

Oh, and by the way: Lam was just one of six U.S. attorneys who were recently purged by the Attorney General. Hmm.



The Pentagon

So, now that suspected terrorists can be convicted and executed based on hearsay and coerced testimony, perhaps we should take a quick look at who these suspected terrorists might be. Warning: it could be you.

A Defense Department database devoted to gathering information on potential threats to military facilities and personnel, known as Talon, had 13,000 entries as of a year ago -- including 2,821 reports involving American citizens, according to an internal Pentagon memo to be released today by the American Civil Liberties Union.

The Pentagon memo says an examination of the system led to the deletion of 1,131 reports involving Americans, 186 of which dealt with "anti-military protests or demonstrations in the U.S."

(snip)

The number of deleted reports far exceeds the estimate provided to The Washington Post just over a year ago by senior officials of Counterintelligence Field Activity (CIFA), the Defense Department agency that manages the Talon program. At that time, then-CIFA Director David A. Burtt II said the review had disclosed that only 1 percent of the then 12,500 Talon reports appeared to be problematic.

Perhaps George W. Bush should just cut to the chase and declare martial law. It would be so much easier to keep the rabble under control.



The White House

Last year's White House Press Correspondents' Dinner didn't go too well for George W. Bush, when he was politely demolished by Stephen Colbert. In case you've forgotten how much George enjoyed the roast, let me refresh your memory.

So this year the White House is making sure that Dubya's precious bubble remains intact - they've hired impressionist Rich Little to entertain the crowd. Those of you younger than a certain age may now be asking the pertinent question... Rich Who? Let's turn to Wikipedia to find out...

One of his best known impressions is of US President Richard Nixon. During the 1970s, Little made many television appearances portraying Nixon. He was a regular guest on Dean Martin's Celebrity Roasts in the 1970s and was also a regular on The Julie Andrews Hour in 1973. He was named Comedy Star of the Year by the American Guild of Variety Artists in 1974. He hosted The ABC Comedy Hour (also known as KopyKats) in 1972, The Rich Little Show in 1976, and The New You Asked For It in 1981.

Of course, that might not be much help to those of you younger than a certain age, who are probably now scratching your heads wondering who Dean Martin and Julie Andrews are.

But don't worry about that. According to his website, Little also does killer impressions of David Niven, Mel Torme, and Ross Perot. Still in the dark? Then stop by one of Little's live shows. Next week he's at the Soboba Casino in San Jacinto, CA, followed by the North Iowa Community Auditorium in Mason City. I'm not kidding.



George W. Bush

Let's get back to Our Great Leader and his Great Iraq Fiasco for a moment. Last week George appeared on PBS's "NewsHour with Jim Lehrer" to explain why he was sending an additional 21,000 troops to Iraq when everybody - including Iraqi prime minister al-Maliki - thinks its a terrible idea. Check out this short transcript and see if the president's eloquence can change your mind:

MR. LEHRER: Is there a little bit of a broken egg problem here, Mr. President, that there is instability and there is violence in Iraq - sectarian violence, Iraqis killing other Iraqis, and now the United States helped create the broken egg and now says, okay, Iraqis, it's your problem. You put the egg back together, and if you don't do it quickly and you don't do it well, then we'll get the hell out.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Yeah, you know, that's an interesting question. I don't quite view it as the broken egg; I view it as the cracked egg --

MR. LEHRER: Cracked egg?

PRESIDENT BUSH: -- that - where we still have a chance to move beyond the broken egg. And I thought long and hard about the decision, Jim. Obviously it's a big decision for this theater in the war on terror, and you know, if I didn't believe we could keep the egg from fully cracking, I wouldn't ask 21,000 kids - additional kids to go into Iraq to reinforce those troops that are there.

In case you were wondering, yes, George W. Bush is mentally unstable.



Fox News

Roll up, roll up - I've got yer fair and balanced right here! Last week on "Fox and Friends," Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Naturally) announced that he is forming an exploratory committee for the 2008 presidential race. Here's how it played out, as reported by the inimitable News Hounds:

A co-host of "Fox and Friends" could not hide his enthusiasm for a Republican presidential hopeful, bursting into applause when the man's announcement of an exploratory commitee for the 2008 race was made. ...

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colorado, announced on "Fox and Friends" Tuesday (January 16, 2007) that he is forming an exploratory committee to seek the GOP 2008 presidential nomination.

Tancredo appeared in two back-to-back segments on "Fox and Friends" where he touted his "common sense agenda," which was mostly an attack on immigrants, legal or not. Attacks on immigrants are a staple of "Fox and Friends" content.

"Thanks for picking our venue," fawned co-host Brian Kilmeade.

Co-host Steve Doocy also helpfully reminded Tancredo of the need to raise money, prompting Tancredo to give out his web-page address.

That wasn't the end, however. Co-host Gretchen Carlson led the news update with Tancredo's announcement just a minute later. And then Doocy claimed to have received an email from a viewer who said he had just set Tancredo a $100 donation.

I should probably point out that this happened on the same morning Barack Obama announced that he was forming an exploratory committee, which for some strange reason got absolutely no mention whatsoever on "Fox and Friends." Can it possibly get any more fair and balanced than this?



Ted Nugent (and Rick Perry)

And finally... it's been a while since The Nuge made the list, but he's back with a bang this week after Gov. Rick Perry of Texas made the foolish mistake of inviting Nugent to play his inaugural ball. Let's just say it didn't go too well.

Hours after Gov. Rick Perry kicked off his second full term in office, Ted Nugent helped him celebrate at a black-tie gala, but not all attendees were pleased by the rocker's performance.

Using machine guns as props, Nugent, 58, appeared onstage as the final act of the inaugural ball wearing a cutoff T-shirt emblazoned with the Confederate flag and shouting offensive remarks about non-English speakers, according to people who were in attendance.

Gee... who could have predicted that would happen? Ted Nugent? Toting guns, a confederate flag, and shouting racist remarks? I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya!

See you next week!

-- EarlG
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 11:47 PM
Response to Original message
1. The whole enabling pack of them....
...are psychotic and deeply disturbed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Glitch in #4.
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 12:02 AM by Mugsy
"I'm not the only who thinks". Me thinks there be a word missin'? :)

Later on: "Executive Branch enforces the laws." Chuckle. No, the EB "executes/passes" the laws. Cops and Judges "enforce" the law. (Dubya actually made the same error... twice. You're in good company.) :P

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #2
6. Thanks, I fixed the first one
The second one... is it a definition of enforce thing? On Ben's Guide To US Government For Kids at gpo.gov (I got there via a link at C-SPAN.org), it says, "The executive branch of the Government is responsible for enforcing the laws of the land."

http://bensguide.gpo.gov/9-12/government/national/executive.html

Also at usa.gov it says "The executive branch of the government is responsible for enforcing the laws of the land."

http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/federal.shtml

At answers.com it says the Executive Branch: "The branch of the U.S. government that is composed of the president and all the individuals, agencies, and departments that report to the president, and that is responsible for administering and enforcing the laws that Congress passes."

http://www.answers.com/topic/executive-government

But then at wordwebonline.com it says, "The branch of the United States government that is responsible for carrying out the laws."

http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/EXECUTIVEBRANCH

In the Constitution it says the President must "take care that the laws be faithfully executed," but at FindLaw.com it says "The Constitution does not say that the President shall execute the laws, but that "he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed," i.e., by others, who are commonly, but not always with strict accuracy, termed his subordinates."

I just looked up a bunch of definitions - I certainly defer to your better judgment. But could it be argued that technically I'm within bounds to use "enforce?"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #6
24. I only remember the distinction because...
...I had a calendar that made fun of the fact he "incorrectly" defined the role of the Executive Branch.

Personally, I never thought much of it, but it does make sense that the President doesn't actually go around writing tickets. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
A Simple Game Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #24
34. No the President doesn't actually write tickets, he has the FBI,
Secret Service, CIA, U.S. Marshals, NSA, etc., not to mention the military do that part for him.

Yes the Executive branch does indeed write tickets.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NovaNardis Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #1
31. Gotta say...
I've changed my mind about O'Reilly. He is totally insane.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dsharp88 Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:19 AM
Response to Original message
3. Rich Little (#7) is also a known conservative.
Watch how softball his Bush jokes are going to be. I'll bet Little also practically delivers a love letter to Ronald Reagan and Gerald Ford.

Colbert brilliantly said Bush's presidency was actually soaring "like the Hindenburg"! You won't hear anything like that from Little.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
johnlal Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #3
23. But what a way to jumpstart Little's career.
What if Rich Little let loose on Bush during the event. That could be enough to get him booked in Vegas again. (I know. He won't do it. But what if he did?)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:28 AM
Response to Original message
4. #2 - holy shit!
:wow:

:yoiks:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:54 AM
Response to Original message
5. K & R
Re: #7...
When I told my dogged but increasingly discouraged, disappointed and disillusioned republican-loving XSO that Rich Little was going to be the Designated Fellater Speaker at the White House Correspondents dinner, his response was:
:wow:
"RICH LITTLE? You're kidding! You mean he's still around?"
:rofl:




:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:07 AM
Response to Original message
7. "Can you really be that simple-minded?"
I love that quote in the Time article from Shawn Hornbeck's stepfather in reference to O'Reilly. He forgot to add "cruel" and "hateful" and "perverse."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kibitzer 2006 Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:49 AM
Response to Original message
8. #4 AG and his views on Habeas Corpus...
I know it's hard to rank-order all of the idiocies (and I do laud your efforts), and I guess AG* isn't quite idiotic enough to warrant all 10 slots, but I thought his worst was (from C&L):

Gonzales: I meant by that comment that the Constitution doesn't say that every individual in the United States or every citizen has or is assured the right of habeas corpus. It doesn't say that. It simply says that the right of habeas corpus shall not be suspended.


In other words, anyone who might happen to have that right shall not have it suspended. Of course the Constitution does not bestow that right on anyone, so we don't know that anyone actually has it. But if someone did happen to have it they could keep it--unless the Decider decided to cancel it (which is not the same as suspending it).

I think I'm going to go soak my head.

*Odd thought: Is "AG" Attorney General or Alberto Gonzales? Here's hoping we soon find out that the two need not be the same.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #8
25. Why "AG".
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 02:15 PM by Mugsy
Bush appointed Alberto Gonzales to be Attorney General so that he didn't have to replace the monogrammed hand towels in the official AG office bathroom. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:56 AM
Response to Original message
9. Why is it I loathe Ted Nugent so much?? I just really hate
the motherfucker.

A lot.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bluescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #9
21. I understand
He's not even that good a musician.:puke:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 05:07 AM
Response to Original message
10. Gonzales?! WTF?!!?
You know, fellow DUers, this 'small' matter of several U.S. Attorneys getting the boot REALLY bodes badly for our democracy. But, Gonzales is certainly performing admirably well for his Liege. How does he reconcile his racist, elitist actions with his Hispanic heritage?!

BTW, EarlG, my rampant insomnia is somewhat assuaged on Monday mornings by your list. I've noticed that Hannity and others have developed pale imitations of your excellent feast--what is it they say about the sincerest form of flattery?

Warm regards,

Cheryl Ann

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #10
16. Anyone can be elitist and racist regardless of background.
Plenty of people in Hispanic countries are elitist and racist. In fact, their leaders are just as elitist and racist as our leaders are. Simply being part of an oppressed minority does not stop such wrongheaded assumptions. In fact, I would imagine that growing up in a ghetto or a barrio would make a person very resentful towards people unlike themselves. The same thing that causes racism and elitism in whites causes it in minorities. I would like Gonzales to have solidarity with oppressed peoples as well, but I'm not surprised that he doesn't.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #10
20. Don't forget on Gonzalez
The right of habeus corpus is not in the Constitution - only that the right cannot be taken away.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PegDAC Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #20
27. Excuse me if I'm wrong,
maybe my logic is faulty. After all, I'm on pretty strong meds due to a broken collarbone. If a right cannot be taken away, doesn't that correctly presuppose that the people have that right?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. well, I had thought that as well...
However, obviously, the inner workings of the thought processes of Alberto Gonzalez are just way beyond us mere mortals...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 06:21 AM
Response to Original message
11. Republicians gone wild! What is wrong with O'Reilly? What is wrong with
the hatred and backward thinking of these people in the Repug party? O'Reilly should finally be fired, come on, Rush making fun of Micheal J Fox and now this? AM radio stands for Amoral. How can anyone consciously tune into any of that crap I'll never know. The only reason it exist is because there's over a million people that think and agree with those talking heads.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 07:08 AM
Response to Original message
12. Rich Little is still alive? gee, who knew?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 07:11 AM
Response to Original message
13. Bush is really reduced to
Pox (deliberate typo) News and hate radio. His poll numbers are going down faster than Paris Hilton in the back seat of a limousine. I anxiously await single digits.
Let's see what happens after he mumbles, stumbles and fumbles through the State of the Union, and Jim Webb responds in plain English.

off topic
If you heat your home with oil, load up before Bush attacks Iran and disrupts global oil production. It's all about taking money out of our pockets and putting it in those of Bush cronies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 07:19 AM
Response to Original message
14. Our poor Constitution! It is under relentless attack and its
defenders are a mealy-mouthed bunch. It KILLS me that they all took that oath, and the bald abrogation of its demands seems to make NO IMPRESSION on the criminals we see, day in and day out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 08:41 AM
Response to Original message
15. The last paragraph of no 3 had me thinking of Monty Python & the Holy Grail
Will we start weighing terrorists to see if they weigh the same as a duck?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #15
17. It brought to mind the Inquisition, alright
It is established psychological fact that, under torture, a person will confess to anything the torturers want to hear. And not only confess, but believe everything that he says. The "witches" tortured during the Inquisition didn't really worship the Devil, but starve them, deprive them of sleep, leave them hanging by their arms for hours at a time, hold a burning torch under their feet, slowly peel off their fingernail and toenails one by one... they'd confess to killing their own children as sacrifices to Satan and then eating the raw, bloody corpses if only they were allowed to die. Think of the next-to-last chapter of "Nineteen Eighty-Four." Think of that two-part episode of "Star Trek: The Next Generation" when Captain Picard was held captive by a Cardassian general.

That is why sane countries (unlike our own) have totally banned the use of torture. How frightening that we not only use it, but pass laws explicitly recreating the Inquisition.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #15
18. Closer to
Salem Witch Trials that were really about abusing power through fear in order to seize other's property.
George "Crack head" Bush is really the witch hunter.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #15
19. No, we'll build a bridge out of 'em
Maybe we can save money on the bridge to nowhere that way.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
johnlal Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:24 PM
Response to Original message
22. Have they ever SEEN a Ted Nugent Concert?
I went to Uncle Ted's show at the Kentucky State Fair one year (Free Admission). Guns and weapons were featured throughout the show. The stage was set up as a war zone, with sandbag bunkers and moving targets for him to shoot at. As a backdrop, a HUGE American Flag with Nugent's name emblazoned across it was displayed.

OK, so maybe the governor never actually SAW Ted's concerts. Did he really thing that Wang Dang Sweet Poontang was appropriate for a black tie event? This is what happens when you elect rednecks into government.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. Perry "elected" with only 39%
A case study in the need for "Instant Runoff" elections.

With two Indi's... Carole Stryhorn (Scotty's Mom) and Kinky Friedman siphoning away the anti-Perry vote away from Dem Chris Bell, Perry was able to win "re election" with a mere 39% of the vote. :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 08:19 PM
Response to Original message
29. Ah yes, my wonderful idiot gov. goodhair invites
The Nuge to play at the ball. How appropriate that a bunch of racist, gun freaks were altogether celebrating. Gawd, I detest goodhair!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:11 PM
Response to Original message
30. An especially offensive group this week, EarlG
These people are so despicable that it can't even wrap my brain around it. But as always, thanks for posting these. You always do a great job.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 04:40 AM
Response to Original message
32. EarlG, you have me in stitches
Last week and this one got a bit more tolerable thanks to your cheeky, witty recap of in fact rather sad developments.

I seriously look forward to the top-10 now!

Thanks, EarlG.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 04:52 AM
Response to Original message
33. nugent was long ago
drummed out of the real musicians society.

He's a parody of a parody of a parody of himself by now. :puke: :puke:

Beneath contempt and not fit for polite society.


Of course, mr perry is no prize either. Remember, he was one of karl rove's first makeovers ... rick perry vs. Jim Hightower for Texan Ag. Commisioner...in 1990. Then he remade that fucker bush...installed by poppy bush's friends money as tex. gov.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0418-26.htm

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 09:33 AM
Response to Original message
35. I wish Olbermann would do a special comment on O'Reilly
I hate Bill O'Reilly, or as Keith calls him, Bill Orally...I totally avoid FAUX News anymore, I won't watch that station for anything...It's all MSNBC for me...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 01:49 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Editorials & Other Articles Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC