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AuntiePinko Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 01:00 AM
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How Can I Convince GOPers Rep. Pelosi isn't the Boogeywoman?
Dear Auntie Pinko,

I'm a little blue dot in a big red state and I keep hearing the Republicans trying to scare people with the idea of Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House. I have spent the last few days asking the GOPers around me why that scares them and all I hear are generic Republican Talking Points. No one can give any specifics.

I don't know much about Rep. Pelosi, but what I see I like. Can you help me develop some talking points for why Nancy is better than Denny?

Madonna
Dacula, GA



Dear Madonna,

There are two approaches you can take: One approach is to get the folks who are buying the generic talking points to be specific about what bothers them. I haven’t heard any of the talking points, so I can’t help you on a point by point deconstruction, but I can guess the general drift.

1. Representative Pelosi will prevent the House from passing legislation sought by extreme religious conservatives. If they don’t seem too far gone in religious zealotry, you can respond by saying “And how will not preventing gay people from getting married affect you, personally? Is that more important that solving America’s debt crisis, restoring ethics to the House of Representatives, and preventing Mr. Rumsfeld & Co. from further messing up the Iraq War?” If they’re dyed-in-the-wool zealots, on the other hand, you’re probably better off saving your breath.

2. Representative Pelosi will help the House of Representatives raise my taxes! You can start by directing these people to Representative Pelosi’s House of Representatives website, where her efforts to reduce taxes for middle class people are covered in detail. You can agree that Representative Pelosi might repeal Mr. Bush’s tax giveaway to rich people, but ask “Why will that affect you? Are you rich?”

3. Representative Pelosi will be weak on national security and put Americans at greater risk for terrorist attack, etc. Again, directing people to her website to examine her voting record and policy statements on national security will be helpful, but you can also ask: “Do you really feel safer after five years of watching Mr. Bush’s administration act like the Three Stooges on ‘Homeland Security,’ with their duct tape alerts and their color-coded worry scale? At least Representative Pelosi will do something to ensure that our ports are secure and incoming cargo containers are inspected!”

4. Representative Pelosi will restore “liberal big government” and tax-and-spend the budget into oblivion. This is an easy one. Gently point out that it is Republicans who have been responsible for the biggest increases in the size of government, and massive government spending increases. Under Democrats like Mr. Clinton, the size of government tends to stay the same or go down slightly. Mr. Bush and the current Republican-dominated Congress are responsible for the biggest expansion in government employment and expenditures in many decades!

5. Representative Pelosi will let immigration go on unchecked, with all the scary stuff associated with that. Well, the worst Representative Pelosi is likely to do is nothing at all on immigration matters, and how will that be worse than what we’ve seen from the current Republican leadership? Immigration is a complex issue, and Democrats usually do better with those complicated things than Republicans.

I don’t know what other hobgoblinesque straw men are being advanced to make people afraid of Representative Pelosi becoming Speaker of the House, but if you keep track, Madonna, you can handle them by doing a little digging on the Internet, starting with Representative Pelosi’s website. There are also many, many websites that are set up to track Representatives’ voting records on specific issues. A little research, and you can take those straw men apart. And of course, you can always fall back on: “And this will be worse than what we’ve got now, how?”

That’s one approach.

The other approach is to ignore the scary straw men, and get people to talk about the stuff that affects their day-to-day life, the things that really worry them. Job security. Will they be able to pay the rent/mortgage if it goes up? Do they have adequate health care coverage? College tuition. Do they have a loved one in Iraq, or scheduled for deployment? Gas prices. Retirement. These bread-and-butter issues are the Democrats’ strongest areas. Point out that, historically, it has been Democrats like Representative Pelosi who have voted for minimum wage increases, for higher automobile fuel efficiency standards, better health care options for middle class people, etc. Democrats will oppose Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Bush’s war of choice and do their best to bring our troops home safely and soon.

Once you get people to look at the things that have a direct, tangible impact on their lives now, it becomes pretty easy to make a case for Democratic leadership. Representative Pelosi is a strong Democrat, but she has also demonstrated that she can put aside partisanship when needed. She has done a good job as Minority Leader in organizing committee memberships and getting her colleagues to work productively together — no easy task with Democrats, who are a pretty independent bunch of cats to herd. A Congress with Speaker Pelosi might not be as conservative as your Republican friends would like, but it won’t be a do-nothing disaster like the current crowd!

Finally, don’t worry too much about the most zealous Republican partisans. They will never support a Democrat, anyway, so why stress yourself trying to convince them? Make the best case you can, and move on. You never know, perhaps something you say that they dismiss while talking to you will come back to them later, and they’ll say, “hmmmm…..” Keep doing your best to work for Democratic victory, Madonna, and thanks for asking Auntie Pinko!
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blue cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 04:24 AM
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1. Hassert is gross
Pelosi isn't.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 06:38 AM
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2. Get over it, Pelosi is going to be Speaker.
That's what I say to the Republican zealots.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 07:26 AM
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3. Dear Auntie Pinko, This is Your Best Column, Ever!
Thanks for the thoughtful strategizing! I hope I can use it!
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Erechtheides Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 07:35 AM
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4. another talking point
I think the other reason Pelosi is the boogeyman is that she comes from San Francisco. And that means, of course, that she's tightly clutched in the well-lubed fist of the Gay Mafia.
:sarcasm:

But I'm not sure how to rebut that one in a way meaningful to Republicans. If they were receptive to logic, they wouldn't be the demented bigots that they are in the first place.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:43 AM
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5. I hear ya, Madonna!
I'm a blue dot in red Oconee County, a few miles east of you. In spite of the fact that, four years ago, we had a Dem governor, a Dem senator (we love you, Max!) and a Dem legislature, to hear people around here talk you would think that Georgia was, and always shall be, 100% Rethuglican. The Rovians have been wildly successful at selling the idea that Republican = Morals and Democrat = Baby Eaters.
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 07:06 PM
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10. I don't think Rove had nearly as much to do with the changes in GA
as Diebold. In 02, Cleland won and Barnes won too. It just didn't register as a win on Diebold, and as you probably know, the Diebold touchscreens in 02 didn't even have any paper for audits or recounts. I suppose that's the way things still stand at present. Hopefully after a few more elections cycles, the voices screaming for a return to democratic government will force a fair vote count, not just in GA but all across the country.

That 02 GA election by any measure was a fraud. I would bet my life on it without the slightest fear.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 08:57 PM
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11. Nonetheless....
Maybe it's just because I now live in such a red area (thank God Athens is only ten minutes away!), but I get the sense from a lot of people, not the Diebold machines, that they believe Georgia is irrevocably Republican.
Joe Sixpack totally bought the bullshit notion that Prep School Bush and his Billionaire Buddies were the ONLY politicians who honored their 'values.'
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 11:54 AM
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6. Don't forget Nancy is from Baltimore!
great plus!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 12:44 PM
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7. They know she's competent - IMO, it's projection ...
Edited on Thu Oct-19-06 12:48 PM by ShortnFiery
Nancy Pelosi represents everything the republican base despises: A powerful, liberal, petite and attractive WOMAN.

They know that she'll continue to do what she has been doing - bring representatives to work toward consensus.

Republicans love to bully and they FEAR Pelosi because she figuratively is the little red headed girl that beat their snotty butts in every academic contest when they were in elementary school. And dammit, they can't get Way Nasty with "a girl." :eyes:

Republicans HATE Liberals AND Powerful (Leader!) Women.

I love Nancy Pelosi - she's perfect for the job AND the fact that her presence makes the wingers see RED is *extra icing* on the majority cake. :P
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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 02:24 PM
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8. also very important ...
...to stay calm when trying to convince these people. Otherwise they think they have a point and you lose your nerve because of that.

It'll be hard because they'll give really stupid replies that can make you want to just slap their faces to wake them up ("It's right there, just look at the facts, thinking doesn't cost anything")

Had my own experiences trying to convince people to actually think for themselves before talking and that can make you doubt that human beings are really the most intelligent species on Earth.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 03:40 PM
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9. Oh yes, I admire her composure also - it also drives the RW nuts.
Edited on Thu Oct-19-06 03:42 PM by ShortnFiery
Thanks, I forgot to mention what an accommodating, (but firm when she has to be) type personality.

Nancy Pelosi has IMO the perfect temperament and high intelligence to be a top level diplomat if she would have chosen that path. Oh yes, sometimes when people go off on me, I can apply that cool and very polite strategy but it's not in my core person.

Yes, for all the reasons above, IMO Nancy is *the picture perfect* Majority Leader or Speaker of the House. :applause:

We can thank Nancy for promptly pre-empting Hastert NOT to assign that "Clinton Hater Cry Baby Republican" know as Louie Freeh to head the FBI investigation. Ol' Hastert called her and mentioned Freeh as if it was a "done deal." I fathom Nancy calmly said, "Denny, we don't need to go that far yet. No, let's wait?" Hastert would have looked like a domineering oaf if he assigned that jerk without consulting the minority in full, so he backed down. ;)

Way to go Nancy! :yourock:
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:17 PM
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12. She's a Grandmother
How can you paint a chocoholic grandma into a wild eyed fringer?
Most of them hate her because she is a woman. But, she's a wife, mother and grandmother. How family values can you get
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Mojekearthe Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 01:22 PM
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13. Actually, there is only one approach
Auntie Pinko is a loveable, rational human being, with one flaw: She thinks that republicans are actually rational, misguided folks who can actually be open to political views that are left of their own myopic Atila the Hun / Reagan / Bush world.

Therefore, no talking points can be made in favor of having Nancy Pelosi speaker. The REAL issue is this: WHY ARE YOU ASSOCIATING WITH SUCH FLEA-BITTEN VERMIN SUCH AS REPUBLICAN SCUM IN THE FIRST PLACE?

If you MUST have an answer, though, the following should suffice:

"Ah, you have NO WORRIES about Nancy Pelosi being Speaker. After Bush and Cheney are indicted and impeached, she will be PRESIDENT. So go back to your corner."
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