YoungRepublicans support Iraq war, but not all are willing to join...

[SHRED]

Chickenhawks in the making.



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Young Republicans support Iraq war, but not all are willing to join the fight

By Adam Smeltz

Knight Ridder Newspapers

NEW YORK - Young Republicans gathered here for their party's national convention are united in applauding the war in Iraq, supporting the U.S. troops there and calling the U.S. mission a noble cause.

But there's no such unanimity when they're asked a more personal question: Would you be willing to put on the uniform and go to fight in Iraq?

In more than a dozen interviews, Republicans in their teens and 20s offered a range of answers. Some have friends in the military in Iraq and are considering enlisting; others said they can better support the war by working politically in the United States; and still others said they think the military doesn't need them because the U.S. presence in Iraq is sufficient.

"Frankly, I want to be a politician. I'd like to survive to see that," said Vivian Lee, 17, a war supporter visiting the convention from Los Angeles,

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[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Vivian is an inspiration to us all.

Not.

[bahrbearian]

5. Cockroach's are very good at Survival

[AuntiBush]

33. Ain't That the Truth! Remember hearing that as a kid...

Remember during the Cold War "fear-era," you'd hear, reportedly, that the only living-creature to survive a major :nuke: were roaches.

Good comparison. Can think of a few more choice words, but wouldn't use them out here. Cowards, childish, no-brainers, neo-closed minded, no-minds of their own comes to mine. It's hard to diagnose those that live & breathe for hatred, and their prejudicial ideals all based on that "1" factor Bush & Co. push - "fear."

[The Doctor.]

56. So did anyone send Army Recruiters to their little demonstration?

Army/Navy/AF/Marine recruiters are high-pressure salespeople. They would make those kids sign up or lay so much shame and guilt on them they'd never go to a demonstration again.

"So, What?... you're a 'pretend' patriot? It's ok for me to go over there and fight for our country, but when it comes to your own talc-powdered behind, you won't put yourself on the line for your country? You pampered little pansy! - How DARE you stand here claiming to 'support the troops' when you won't even lift one manicured finger to sign on an support the troops in the only way you can. You think walking around here with that sign is going to help relieve one man from guard duty? By waving that sign, are you on the road helping to guard the flanks of men and women who depend on you? Do you think those REAL heroes over there hear about you holding up that sign and say, "Gee - what a great guy, I feel safer already!" -Bull!

They would say, "Nice sign, now get your ass over here we need the help!

So either sign up to go do some good for the people you pretend to support, or GET OUT OFMY SIGHT YOU PANSY!"

[LiberalAndProud]

59. I think perhaps her political career is dead at the tender age of 17.

DUH!

Please tell me she's not blonde.

[ET Awful]

2. Gee Vivian, I can name quit a few people who survived combat and became

politicians . . . John Kerry, Max Cleland, JFK, shall I continue?

[JRob]

31. not too many republicans in that list...

[ET Awful]

43. That wasy my point :) n/t

[JRob]

45. I know, but sometimes I like to state the obvious...

[Arugula Latte]

49. Yes, but remember our Fearless Leader

survived walking around an aircraft carrier with his straps cinched up tightly so his Man Parts were prominent. He could have been chafed! What herosim!

[JRob]

50. sort of like his heroism during Viet Nam, dodging incoming...

bar snacks without spilling a drop of his Margarita!

[ET Awful]

57. Hey, we all know he was guarding against those NVA jets coming

over the North Pole and across Canada.

[driver8]

72. We all know that the beaches of Galveston were very vulnerable...

It is a good thing that shrub was "on duty."

[libhill]

65. Hey now

that makes Bush a real hero. I mean, what did Kerry do, besides save a few lives, and get shot up and wounded?

[JohnyCanuck]

53. Could've been worse than that.

Those straps were so tight, the circulation might have been totally cut off causing the affected appendage to develop gangrene and drop off.

[punpirate]

3. Another entire generation...

... of chickenhawks. Sounds like a lot of Cheneys in that bunch. "I had better things to do."

Hypocrites.

[slor]

4. Just like that rachel girl on C-Span last...

Friday, I think it was. I called in and asked that young rethug why her group is not enlistng, and she gave this BS about "considering it", and some other crap about there not being a need for a draft (because it would crush rethugs politically). Those bastards ought to be forced into this war!

[SHRED]

6. Yep

Draft Repukes and those who back this insanity.

Those little chickenhawks need to join now. Haven't they heard the Marines and Army are short people?

[QueenOfCalifornia]

15. do you mean they are dwarves?

or do you mean they are short of bodies to pile up?
:rofl:

[SHRED]

16. good one!

:toast:

[drm604]

39. Draft Republicans

and I guarantee you there'd be almost no registered Republicans under the age of 40!

[libhill]

66. Sure they have

but, somebody has to survive to reap the benefits of Halliburton contracts. Fighting and dieing is just so -- working class. I'm sure that Buffy, Duffy, and J.B. Jr. have classes to attend. So that they can go into politics, and support the troops by cutting their (few remaining) benefits.

[dmr]

77. She said WHAT?!?!?!

and she gave this BS about "considering it", and some other crap about there not being a need for a draft (because it would crush rethugs politically).

What did a potential draft have to do with your question?

I'm mocking my surprise because isn't it just typical for a pug to evade questions of consequence just as they evade serving proudly in their own trumped-up wars?

Ah, the young Republicans ... Karl Rove is another one who didn't serve his country during a time of war (Viet Nam). He did serve as the national executive director of the College Republicans, though. He was so busy, he didn't even take the time to go to classes to graduate. I forget what his excuse was in not doing military service. I think he had chronic hypocrisy, and we still suffer from it today.

[Logician]

7. Height of Hypocrisy

As someone a bit older, and just a 'tad' more liberal (read: someone who intelligently and critically reviews information, but with a humanist perspective), it is both sad and laughable that these young Rethugs have bought the lies and promises of a morally bankrupt political party.

If they stepped back for one minute, looked at what they are signing on to, and realizing that if they do not feel they would want to sacrifice their own lives for their country-- then there is something fundamentally wrong with the assumptions for engaging in this war (like it is built on deception and right-wing propaganda).

Wake up and smell the coffee, young ones! Come over to the side of light, compassion, and reason! Join the Democratic party.

Then again, if all this posturing is a cover for the real reasons for joining the Rethugs (read: keeping more of their income and not helping others less fortunate, and supporting a party that wants to legislate discrimination to ensure that these young Rethugs keep their sociopolitical advantage in our society).....

[libhill]

67. I do suspect

that your last paragraph reveals their true motives.

[indepat]

8. Well, Vivian, all those who have died surely wanted to survive and those

maimed surely would like their limbs/brains back. Vivian typifies the cowardly types who want someone else to die in pre-emptive wars.

[Spinzonner]

9. And the ones who say they are (willing) are lying

[madmom]

10. Lee said as long as there's a steady stream of volunteers,why should she..

well Lee, guess what........

[geckosfeet]

11. They are evil, not stupid.

[libhill]

68. You forgot to add

self serving and coldly calculating - the true mark of a rethuglican.

[Aviation Pro]

12. Gee Vivian....

...perhaps in another 17 years you'll be 34.

[salin]

13. Get this quote - it leaves me speechless

"If there was a need presented, I would go," said Chris Cusmano, a 21-year-old member of the College Republicans organization from Rocky Point, N.Y. But he said he hasn't really considered volunteering

Excuse me - but we should never go to war, unless the need is presented that was important enough to volunteer to go. My father left college midway to enlist in the Army AirCorps - during WWII - then, it was seen as an imperative.

IMO, this is why "draft" talk is important. Before we commit troops, we have to ask... is this important/vital enough to our country to our security for ME to go, or for my family members to go. If not - then why are we asking others to go - it is either imp to our national security (the purpose of our military) or it is not.

Shallow children, these kids.

Yea... we want our safe video game war that we can cheer on! Yea! Go our side! Go Troops! ... as long as it stays like a "video game" and far far away from my reality. Makes me think of a quote yesterday... a middle aged woman, bush supporter who in more than two years really hadn't thought much about the war who suddenly asks, with real concern "Have any Iraqi children been killed?" Proof - these folks see the war as a jingoistic, safe, video game.

[kcass1954]

37. You said a mouthful there...

"If there was a need presented, I would go," said Chris Cusmano, a 21-year-old member of the College Republicans organization from Rocky Point, N.Y. But he said he hasn't really considered volunteering.


If there was a "need" for this war, we wouldn't be so against it.

[salin]

48. Bingo - much more concisely said

and there it is!

[ixion]

14. since rethugs are so gungho on machismo... draft them all and

ship them off to the Middle East to fight for their beloved Pax Americana. :grr:

[Democrat 4 Ever]

26. The entire country is crawling with chickensh*t repugs that

talk the talk but couldn't begin to but their body where their mouth is. In my local Sunday paper there was an extensive article about the Heritage Foundation's summer intern program going on in DC right now. Something like 100 "kids" living and working in DC for the summer to breed a whole new generation of a$$wipes. When they were asked about enlistment they gave the same variety of lame answers.

Think we need to remind them during World War I, II, Korea and Viet Nam - when there was a draft - millions and millions of people who didn't wait to be forced to go but march down to the enlistment office and signed up. They put their lives on the line because of true patriotism and not this faux brand of BS the repugs spew. The too old, the too young, people with physical impairments, all tried to sign up to go fight in World War II - because it was the right thing to do. In fact, John Kerry, who was in college at the time and had a deferment, volunteered into the military, volunteered to go to Viet Nam so guess we know who the real patriots are.

One thing the repugs are still beating us at - is the organized of the Young Repug Nazis. It is like Hitler's Youth Lite. Sorry for beating the Nazi analogy to death but if the shoe fits...

Talk is cheap for this bunch of spoiled airheads.

[kbm8795]

17. Vivien is a perfect example

of a Republican philosophy that the true culture of life is that no one's life is as valuable as their own.

Twenty years from now, when Viv is running for public office, one wonders if she'll still be naive enough to spin her public service for the war on terror as doing her duty for her country.

Obviously, these people are nothing more than young talking heads with memorized points. No wonder they view America as their own personal playground and resist all efforts to develop critical thinking skills.

[ms liberty]

18. What we need to make sure of...

is that in 20 or 30 years, when she or another one of these shallow children are publicly spinning their RW drivel, there is one or more of US to throw her/their quotes back in their faces.

The up side is that in 20 or 30 years, it will be common knowledge in America that this war was by choice, and this so-called president was the worst in history.

[jaysunb]

25. Excellent post !

and welcome to DU :toast:

[Roland99]

41. A name to keep in mind for the future, eh?

[DirtyDawg]

19. Whataya think the chances....

...are that Army recruiters will figure out that they ought to get a list of Republican gatherings - young, old, you name it - and set up enlistment tables at the exits. Sort of like when Billy Graham and those guys hand out 'I've been saved' buttons at the end of the 'service' so they can claim all those 'conversions to Christianity'. Nothing like fishing in a baited hole. Seems to me that they, the recruiters, could pick up a few 'guilty consciences' on the way out the door. At the very least TV cameras could be trained on the proceedings to record those that cross over to the other side of the street in an effort to avoid saying 'no thanks'. Sounds like a nice vignette for Michael Moore's next 'expose documentary'.

[For PaisAn]

27. Excellent suggestion

They really should go to these meetings. Surely they'd be able to solve most of their recruiting problems by signing up all these brave young patriotic Americans.
:sarcasm:

It seems Ms Lee needs a bit of education:
"As long as there's a steady stream of volunteers, I don't see why I necessarily should volunteer," said Lee, who has a cousin deployed in the Middle East.

Steady stream of volunteers?!

[rfranklin]

54. This is the Tom Delay excuse...

All those minorities hogged up the spots in the military and poor Tom couldn't get in to serve in Viet Nam.

[nuxvomica]

20. Vivian said she would go if there were another Sept. 11

Hmmmm. So we aren't in enough danger for her to go yet. So maybe we're not in enough danger for anyone to go.

[libodem]

21. yep they could stay home and serve

go to some of the closed head injury units at the VA, go take care of someone for a lifetime who has no arms and legs, go babysit for some young mother with 3 kids who has to work now because her husband dead or disabled, send their trust-funds to Iraq for bodyarmor....put their money where their mouths' are. Maybe they could do some personal suicide watches and listen to the stories of the guys who do make it back. Yeah, they are all talk.

[carnie_sf]

22. Another generation like Shrub, Cheney, Rove

love war, hate to fight.

[asjr]

23. They all are clones of each other--and their parents.

The Party of Republican Clones are in step with BushCo and will help them to further our downslide into a third world country with a dictator at the top. And Vivian, if there is a draft I hope you have No. 1.

[katinmn]

24. Kudos to Mr. Smeltz for bringing their hypocrisy to light

Excellent article. We knew this intrinsically, but here's proof.

This is a keeper. :)

[Lowell]

28. Vivian is typical

of this new generation of Republican cowards. Too self oriented to serve. I hope they all get drafted. This old vet would love to see these assclowns get a little brush with reality.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

35. They couldn't take it, most would wash out as "unfit for military service"

[Lowell]

51. Probably right

what with all the pimples on their butts and other priorities we are better off without them. Drives them nuts when they see my bumper sticker "Draft Young Republicans". Every time I get a hostile reaction from one of these draft age neocons I simply ask them why aren't they in Iraq.

[BrklynLiberal]

71. I have one of those bumper stickers too!!

and I carry around a whole slew of enlistment forms for those who love to talk up the war while sitting here in the safety of the states.

[Lowell]

73. Wow! Great collection.

I only have three on my truck. Bush Lied, Soldiers Died, Combat Veteran Against Bush and, of course, Draft Young Republicans. My wife still has her Kerry sticker on her car.

[MODemocrat]

61. Actually, it scares me to think she might get drafted

If she thinks this war is about 911, she's too naive to serve in the military.

[Lowell]

70. Trust me, she would learn fast

when I was sent to Vietnam I thought it was about communism. It took no time at all before I saw through the whole thing for what it really was. It would probably be good for her and the rest of the self absorbed republican youth. I know my own experiences sure made a democrat out of me real quick.

[Lucky Luciano]

84. Out of curiosity why would it make you a democrat?

LBJ was a big war president and quite democratic?

[Lowell]

85. It makes you more socially aware

Combat draws people together and makes them realize that we all depend on each other to make it. It also gives you a taste of what it is like to be poor and used. If forces you to get to know people who you would normally not get to associate with and broadens your horizons. If you are a republican all you care about is yourself and your billfold.

[AuntiBush]

29. Yeah. Where was the "Sign-Up" Booth at that Convention?

Same in my area. Same damn thing. Ribbons/Flags on cars w/Confederate flags, too. But their kids - no way. Frankly, their rhetoric along w/their Rethuglican leaders on the hill make me sick. And I've grown sick & tired of 9/11 being used to their defense against Democrats.

When will "we" the reality-based finally have enough? It's like everyone is waiting for everyone else to stand w/signs.

[Tsiyu]

30. Disgusting pigs. Every one.

Fork-toothed slithering cowards. May their words come back to bite them in the ass....

[still_one]

32. these morans don't realize it yet

but what their "savior" has done by going into Iraq is quite possibly the worst mistake in the last two hundred years

You will NOT see oil prices go down below 50 bucks a barrel
Aside from the immoral concerns, our presence in Iraq will slowly drain our resources. We cannot occpuy a middle eastern country, the people their will never accept it, and if you don't believe that is the neocons intention then why:

1. are we building fourteen permanent bases
2. privitized their oil, and gave the contracts to our oil companies, even before they had an election
3. not giving a timetable for withdrawal, because the whole premise of PNAC was a permanent occupation in the middle east

We are doomed to failure, and have fallen directly into bin ladens trap. We have created a civil war, which will eventually become a Shiite theocracy, something which was just the opposite of what these mental midgets thought would happen

Even under bush I, his advisors said DO NOT GO INTO IRAQ, just push them out of Kwauit. The PNACers tried to sell it to Clinton, and he would have no part of it, but when IDIOT GEORGE came aboard, he had no problem with it, and has doomed are country to years of turmoil, financial crisis, blow back based on a LIE

7 to 10 years down the road, when these "young repukes" are crying because they have lost their retirement, cannot get adequate healthcare coverage, cannot afford to send their children to college, and oil is at a 100 bucks a barrel with no adequate energy plan.

Tell them that their actions caused this, and they can kiss your ass because your children ARE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR THEIR MISTAKES

[getmeouttahere]

36. Exactly...great post, still_one....

One thing I'd like to add is that some of them won't even be affected by our inevitable financial crisis...after all, even during the depression there were still plenty of "haves"

[JRob]

44. they can "kiss my ass" right now...

[paineinthearse]

34. Political action

1. Identify conventions, events, picnics by groups such as Young Americans for Freedom, etc.
2. Vets get literature from local recruiting centers.
3. Set up a table outside.
4. Be sure to take photos.
5. Do interviews.
6. Post results at DU.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

78. Have you posted that as its own thread?

I think it's a great idea and so does my librul Korean War vet stepfather!

[JRob]

38. How nice that they can choose...

When I was in high school we had choices too; find a way to go to college, get someone pregnant, join another branch of the military, take your chances with the Army lottery or leave the country...

Yeah you cavalier hypocritical little shit-heads! You'd be singing a different tune if you saw the news every f**king day during elementary, Jr. HS and HS dreading the day you'd turn 18.

I'm certain of one thing, if ChimpCo thought they could start the draft without serious political consequences their skinny asses would be in "boot" right now (providing of course that they are not the offspring of a politician of rich industrialist).

[SHRED]

40. "We don't have to be there physically to fight it," she said.

Koo koo for cocoa puffs.
:crazy:

[Jade Fox]

83. You do, however, have to be physically there to DIE for it.

Disgusting hypocrites.

[The White Tree]

42. This goes nicely with Karl Roves recent comments

about liberals and conservatives.

After 9/11 conservatives prepared for war.

They just didn't prepare to fight the war as they didn't expect to have to do any of the fighting.

What is it that Robert E. Lee said about war?

Wasn't it - War, we would love it so if it weren't so terrible.

Republicans like these kids seem to have taken that message and rationalized it to:

War, we love it so cause we don't have to deal with what's terrible about it.:puke:

[are_we_united_yet]

46. Consistency

the hallmark trait of Young Republicans.

:puke:

[go west young man]

47. Candyasses!!!!!!!!!

Its great that Knight Ridder news is covering this!

[SeattleVet]

62. The article itself was from last year

The dateline at the top indicates Setember, 2004.

I guess that means that there is still time to make sure that there are recruiting booths at this year's convention!

[Shallah Kali]

79. They still are still Chicken Hawks! Read this from Collage GOP Convention

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/6/24/204727/201

Tony Perkins from the Family Research Council took the stage, noting with courageous enthusiasm, "There are some things that are worth fighting for." He proceeded to talk about the Iraq War, and some very heroic veterans. ... Then he said, "They're giving their lives as you're giving your time."

[Lasher]

52. Thasch snot slanner

thasch duh troot!

[AAARRRGGGHHH]

55. There won't be a need until

all the poor kids die. Thanks to Bu$hCo, this should take QUITE a while. Way to go, Vivian!

[Broken_Hero]

58. Of course not, none of them well...

Cause they are hypocrites. I just got into an arguement with this woman from Ark a few days ago, about Iraq being a police action, she disputed, and said it was a war. We went back and forth and what have yous and to sum it up, I said its just like Vietnam, she said its nothing like vietnam, we went back and forth on that for some time. And then, i finally broke down and told her to join up, and then come back in a year or so and tell me if she thinks its a war/police action and if this war/police actions is what YOU think it is. She guffed at that.

I kept hammering her, calling her naive, and willing to let other peoples' kids die, why not join up? She is all military also, and i told her if she supports the troops, what better way to show that, than to back them up out in the field? What other example, can best prove you support the troops than to back them up in the field?

She guffed, and i was like of course...you won't quit your cushy job, you won't put your money were your mouth is, you don't support this war, you just support the idea of it, and will die on a sinking ship, just so you can't be proved wrong, or change your POV. Well, its the typical RW response i get when it comes to "If you love this war, and support it go join"...of course none of them will, cause they know the risk, and won't put their own skin on the line, but are willing to let other peoples kids/dads/mother what have you, die/fight on a daily basis. What hypocrisy...Later, Don.

[BOYLANE]

60. Does this surprise anyone?

Does it really surprise anyone that young republicans are just a hypocritical as their older counterparts. That's why they're republicans!~

[mchill]

63. It is easy to be a Republican

when there is no draft. I see now why this administration will resist the draft at all costs. That would breed a new generation of peaceniks and they need these war-mongering hypocrits in the Republican party.

[rateyes]

64. That's always how it is:

Democrats: Anti-war, Pro Warrior

Reputlicans: Pro-war, Anti Warrior (if, of course they have to be one)


Why don't they just tell the truth: I don't want to go to war because it scares me shitless.

[democratic veteran]

69. Young Republicans support Iraq war, but not all are willing to join the fi

Coward conservatives; always ready to complain about their burden while being generous with our blood.

[AceAlmighty82]

74. Figures!

Wish I could have the balls to say such a thing and feel no remorse........Not really....Where do these people go to school at?? Karl Rove high school or George W. Bush Private School. {You want to be a politician Vivian...if you couldn't tell Bush and Co are in it to save their own asses. Good chance you don't even go to a public school. You've been protected from the real world by your parents, your school(maybe), and the MSM..you probably don't even know what the Downing Street Memo is? When the real world hits you Vivian..its going to hit you and hit you hard..Frankly, I hope you got what it takes to survive..bc with how Bush sees this war..your "real" world is going to come crashing down on you. for Vivian}

[N_James]

75. You know, we could call them cockroaches...

But that doesn't do justice. My biggest pet peeve is overbearing hypocrisy (the main reason I'm not a Republican in the first place) and I couldn't even begin to tell the stories I've heard from classmates, neighbors, and other Young Republicans I know to why the military isn't for them in this time where we desperately need to "Support Our Troops." There is one exception, my neighbor's oldest son is in the Army and he just got back from Afghanistan a few weeks ago. Other than him, words can't describe how angry these people make me.

[For PaisAn]

76. Mother of soldier killed in Iraq asking same question

June 25th, 2005 1:54 pm
The Problem With Karl Rove's Phone


Yesterday I tried to call Karl Rove at the White House. You will not be surprised to learn that they were insulting and snippy to me and I could not get through to his office. The comment line was as close as I got and they were clueless as to why the switchboard would not transfer me to the public servant known as Mr. Rove.

If I had reached him I would have asked him as he blathered about how anxious and proud the conservatives were who jumped at the chance to have a war -- where are they now on the streets of Baghdad? My son was a very liberal Democrat, when he signed up for the National Guard no one asked, when he was deployed no one asked his opinion or his politics, and after he lost his life protecting the people looking for those weapons of mass destruction no conservative hawk came forth
to take his place. Nor have they lined up at recruiters offices to answer the needs of our exhausted Army.
...snip...

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=3122

[geckosfeet]

80. Boston Globe editorial: I will not send my son to fight an unjust war

Unjust War

<snip>

I will not send my son to fight an unjust war

June 26, 2005

IN HIS June 21 letter, ''When a child asks about the military," Brigadier General Vincent Brooks assumes there is an emotional struggle going on in households across America about our children joining the military. In most homes, including mine, there is no struggle. The issues are clear:

"Those who promoted this war do not send their own children to fight it, therefore, why should I?"
</snip>

A short but salient piece.

Frankly, I think we are all far too removed from real human suffering and physical discomfort to have sympathy for those that endure. When pain becomes an un-real and far removed abstract, then it become much simpler to send other mens children off to war. Our culture values and promotes comfort and hedonism and the fundy ranters do little to temper that.

[Hokie]

81. Link bad?

This link is bad and I cannot find the story there now. Was it pulled?

[BuckminsterFush]

82. I thought just maybe....

They were registering for something else. Like military service. How proud their Mom must be of them today. COWARDS and eSoldiers.

http://www.nycyr.org/

[Zenlitened]

86. Republican = chickenshit.

That's all there is to it. How anyone can identify as a Republican these days, and not hang their heads in shame, is beyond me. Republicans are what's wrong with America today.

[SHRED]

87. Republicans are...

the embodied spirit that killed the Buffalo, Native Americans, and that war on all things natural and good. They were for slavery and still are. They are for killing brown skinned people, taking their land via the corporate machine, and enslaving the rest.
They are the embodied spirit that is trying, to this day, to kill the sixties movement. They represent the spirit that crucified Christ.
Their rewards await them in the fiery depths of Hades.

[stopbush]

88. Strange how the young Rs can spit on the troops now serving

while railing against the "hippies" who supposedly did the spitting back in the Nam days.

And, yes, they are spitting on today's troops through their better-than-them-me-me-me attitudes.