Recount in Ohio A Sure Thing; Green Party Campaign Raises $150,000 in 4 Da

[seemslikeadream]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
NOVEMBER 15, 2004
12:46 PM
CONTACT: Green Party of the United States
Blair Bobier, Media Director, 541-929-5755


Recount in Ohio A Sure Thing; Green Party Campaign Raises $150,000 in 4 Days, Shifts Gears to Phase II

WASHINGTON -- November 15 -- There will be a recount of the presidential vote in Ohio.


On Thursday, David Cobb, the Green Party’s 2004 presidential candidate, announced his intention to seek a recount of the vote in Ohio. Since the required fee for a statewide recount is $113,600, the only question was whether that money could be raised in time to meet the filing deadline. That question has been answered.


“Thanks to the thousands of people who have contributed to this effort, we can say with certainty that there will be a recount in Ohio,” said Blair Bobier, Media Director for the Cobb-LaMarche campaign.


“The grassroots support for the recount has been astounding. The donations have come in fast and furiously, with the vast majority in the $10-$50 range, allowing us to meet our goal for the first phase of the recount effort in only four days,” said Bobier.


Bobier said the campaign is still raising money for the next phase of the recount effort which will be recruiting, training and mobilizing volunteers to monitor the actual recount.

more
http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/1115-06.htm


THERE WILL BE A RECOUNT OF THE PRESIDENTIAL VOTE IN OHIO!!!!
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[jayfish]

1. Since They Are Paying...

for this out of pocket, will they be cable to scrutinize the counting?

Jay

[Ima]

29. Hey Ohio Dems!

"Bobier said the campaign is still raising money for the next phase of the recount effort which will be recruiting, training and mobilizing volunteers to monitor the actual recount."


Find out where and volunteer for the recount!

[kk897]

41. REEEEEEEEEECOUNT!!!

I haven't been this happy in weeks!

I signed up on a sheet to volunteer for a recount at the Saturday hearing... I'm going to go tonight to see if I can find out more!

REEEEEEEEEEECOUNT!

[LifeDuringWartime]

54. YEEEEEEEARRRRRRRRGGGG

(dean scream) ;)

[atldem]

104. I call B*llsh*t on this one.

I'll believe it when I see it and I am 99% sure that I will never see it.

[NicRic]

110. Another roller coaster ride ?

It seems like since the stolen 2000 election us Dems have been on a constant ride of highs and very lows. From getting excited when the Florida court ordered a recount in Florida in 2000 , a good ruling for Gore ,only to have it stopped by the S.C of U.S.A. Even if they where to do a recount in Ohio ,am I suppose to believe it would change anything. I believe the 2004 election was stolen ,the fix was in months ago, I also believe that the repugs involved in this fix ,knowing the backlash if they where caught ,most certainly dotted their I's and crossed their T's ! Then they always have the court again to stop any recount B/4 it gets far enough that Kerry pulls ahead in the recount. Plus why would the green party give a rats a#% about helping Kerry prove voter fraud ?

[liberal N proud]

2. The Truth shall set us free.

[chiffon]

3. Hey NOW!!!

I eagerly await the developments, if not just for my own sanity.

Schmmmmmmokin! :smoke:

[4_Legs_Good]

8. Wooo hooo!

Fantastic!

Way to go Greens (and everyone else who donated!)

david

[chiffon]

Ditto...!

My sentiments exactly. Forget Reds, forget Blues...Go GREENS!

[pdx_prog]

4. Ohio is good....

but what about Florida? Seems that Fla would be the state where we could re-claim the majority of votes.

[prayin4rain]

6. Yeah, Florida would be nice...

[Az_lefty]

15. Bush only won Ohio by 140,000 votes

the Florida spread was almost 400,000. Might be easier to turn Ohio around.

[Chimpanzee]

101. Rove is a crafty traitor

I wouldn't be suprised if al the Ohio problems are a setup to draw attention from wholesale vote 'manufacturing' in Florida. Anyway, I thought the only way you could get a recount there was by being within a certain small percentage of the other candidate. 400,000 won't cut it there.

[prayin4rain]

5. Yeah...where did they get the money?

Is there somewhere we need to donate?

[Justyce]

16. link to donate

http://www.votecobb.org/

[prayin4rain]

40. Thanks

[Eloriel]

92. If you want to help fund ALL needed recounts --

or as many as we can manage -- including the FL "fraud audit" and other states, please contribute to DU's own hedda_foil's new 527, in association with the non-profit of which she's co-founder, the National Ballot Integrity Project:

Help America Recount
www.helpamericarecount.org

National Ballot Integrity Project
www.ballotintegrity.org/

Very important, very worthwhile, desperately needed.

[Baja Margie]

97. Thank you, outasight.

[dbt]

7. Two words:

1. WOO!
2. HOO!

Thank you, seems! Best news all *&^% DAY!

:bounce:
dbt

[DS1]

9. Three words:

Another "terrorist attack"

[JuniperLea]

53. that's always the ace

to play when the heat is on. damn! so much shady crap going on it's hard to know where to begin. bastids!

[Huckebein the Raven]

114. take it to the bank

[w4rma]

10. The first positive thing the Green Party has done in over 5 years. (nt)

[goddess40]

28. One more positive

David Cobb of the Green Party did not put his name on the ballot of any state that was going to be close and he did this so as not to give the election to *. I think that is pretty positive and I respect him for that.

[LisaL]

46. Cobb was on in OH.

[masshole1979]

68. Wasn't Cobb on in all 50 states?

[Emily Jane]

80. He wasn't on my absentee ballot for NY (n/t)

[IndianaGreen]

95. He wasn't in Indiana either

and Indiana also had voting machine problems that in one case may have led to the defeat of incumbent Democratic Congressman Baron Hill.

[masshole1979]

71. haven't they been doing great things in new mexico since the 90s?

At least that was what I had heard

Really, we can't be putting all our hopes in the Dems, and a from-the-ground-up strategy such as the Greens have pursued in NM, CA, and a few other places is great. If the Greens hadn't been running for mayor in San Fran, for instance, progressives might have been taken for granted and the whole election might have been a big yawn--not good for small-d democracy.

Not sure how well the Greens will take root on the east coast, but I'd sign up if there were a truly vibrant party here in mass. We've definitely got a San Fran-style big-d Democrat complacency here. My local newspaper hardly even bothered to cover any of the Repig candidates in my area.

[CAcyclist]

81. Oh, I don't know about that

I am speaking as a Green, here mind you - but the person who should have won mayor in SF was Tom Ammiano and the last minute entry of the Green split the progressive vote so that Gavin Newsom won.

Now, a lot of people like Newsom because he stood up for gay marriage and I applaud him for that, but economically, he is practically a Republican.

[high density]

11. And the "news" media are too busy discussing an

ad buy in California to report on the Green Party's accomplishment.

[UNIXcock]

12. I'm not getting my hopes up again only to ...

... have them shot down again.

Stay hopeful but don't put yourselves though this rollercoaster.

[Bat Boy]

22. Sad to say I'm with you...

I still haven't recovered from two weeks ago. I don't know if I'm ready to get excited about the possibilities.

[kainah]

47. if we don't make elections accountable to the people

there will never be any reason to believe in the integrity of an election again. I lost my faith in the electoral process in 2000 and 2004 has simply confirmed that. If we don't get some accountability for this election, then I see absolutely no reason to believe we'll ever again have an honest election. And what that means, to me, is that our only way out will be violent revolution. I'd rather not contemplate that.

So don't limit your view of this as good only if we turn Ohio around. It's very good to make everyone know that elections will be accountable to the people.

[Magic_Cookie]

13. Excellent News and A Great Big Thanks to everyone

Who contributed to this effort!! :yourock:

[alittlelark]

14. I got more out of the $100 I just gave the Greens

than the $2000 I gave Kerry.



GO GREENS GO!!!!

[Mike Nelson]

17. EASY BEING GREEN

Hey Greens... (((THANK YOU)))

[Nag Champa]

18. I am ready to be lashed.

When my buddy told me the Greens were gonna change this country I laughed. I gave her the usual about the exclusivity of the two party system and she responded with, "well, you just wait."

I humble myself before you all and admit that I was wrong.

I was narrow-minded and I misunderestimated the Greens.

I am tieing myself to this barrel here and accepting the lashes I deserve.

Thank you, Greens... and I am sorry.

[Cadence]

87. I'm right there with you

I too was dissing the green party and applauded Michael Moore and Bill Maher when they got on their knees to ask Nader not to run. I thought as polarized as this had become they were going to make things worse. When I'm wrong I say I'm wrong. Thank you green party! I am humbled.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

19. Bless you, David Cobb! n/m

[Nordic]

20. that's it. I'm switching to the Green Party

fuck the Democratic party, who totally sold us down river on this election.

[Justyce]

21. Unless they are possibly

behind all of this, but not wanting the backlash Gore got? Maybe they are all working together? Just a thought...

[bostonbabs]

25. i agree

[htuttle]

31. If that is true

Then the Kerry campaign did a really stupid thing. By fearing and avoiding the 'backlash' of conventional media, they really opened themselves up to a backlash from their rank and file base.

All the Democrats at my workplace are still steamed with the Kerry campaign right now for conceding early. Even if it was all a 'trick' as you say, they're going to stay steamed about it for awhile. In fact, I'd say he probably blew his 2008 chances as a result (at least with these people). If you're correct, it's going to take a LOT of explaining for them to get past this.

Personally, I think this is just what it looks like. The Green Party and Badarnik out there trying to get at the truth, and the DNC is....where ever the DNC spends its time.

[karlrschneider]

48. You may be right, but what about the possibility that indignation from Dem

voters might be less of a problem than legal activities from the GOP if JK hadn't conceded...just a theory...:eyes:

[htuttle]

52. I have a pretty good imagination...

...but I'm at a loss to come up with anything the GOP could have used legally against Kerry if he hadn't conceded before all the ballots had been counted.

Can't think of a single thing -- and I can usually come up with some doozies.

:shrug:

Do you mean what happened in 2000? Do you think that if by some miracle, we are able to turn this over in the recount in Ohio that those SAME things won't happen? He'd have to deal with legal challenges if the election turned over whether he publicized it ahead of time or not. I thought we had $45 million put away to deal with stuff like that.

[Nordic]

64. If the Dems are working behind the scenes, the GOP knows about it

and they would say so.

This is pure speculation and wishful thinking. It's hanging on to a hope that just isn't there

[AndyTiedye]

91. If it WORKS and Ohio Flips to Kerry ALL WILL BE FORGIVEN!!!

It's OK to have third and fourth parties, but those parties should
work together to address the Clear and Present Danger that we face
in the form of Bush, PNAC, and the Dominion.

If that actually happens, and Kerry gets in that way,
That Will Change Everything.

[IndianaGreen]

93. Perhaps the Democrats could endorse the Green candidate in 2008

It's OK to have third and fourth parties, but those parties should
work together to address the Clear and Present Danger that we face
in the form of Bush, PNAC, and the Dominion.

At least he/she would support gay marriage, full withdrawal from Iraq, as well as other progressive issues dear to most of us. More importantly, the Green candidate will never concede the election before all the votes are counted.

How many of you can even be sure that Kerry will take the job if he is certified as the Ohio winner?

[flygal]

100. I don't know - I still have nightmares of dealing with repugs in 2000..

it sucked defending the whole situation. I tried telling them to think of it if their guy lost by a few hundred votes - wouldn't you want a recount. OOooohh of course not, sore looserman stuff..they're so stupid, couldn't even figure out how to vote....:puke:
I was very bummed when Kerry conceded, but I want to secretly hope that Gore was whispering in his ear - I have a plan.....

[MidwestTransplant]

33. I think you are right

[SammyWinstonJack]

45. I'm sticking with the Dems

But thank you Greens for doing this.

[Nordic]

63. that is 100% pure "wishful thinking"

there is absolutely no evidence to support this.

Instead we have Carville making a total ass out of himself on national television smashing a raw egg into his ugly face.

Fuck all of 'em.

[CAcyclist]

83. That's what we should do

The Greens and Democrats need to play hand-in-hand for the main goal which is to bring progressive values back to the table. We need to have that goal as our focus and not worry so much about which party gets in.

On the other, we need to be aware that both parties are subject to be infiltrated by candidates/ party members who do not have the same goals and either seek to disrupt or advance their own agenda.

[Fleurs du Mal]

37. The "lesser of two evils" isn't good enough

and I probably should have switched Green permanently back in 2000. Something I'll be wrestling with in the near future as I'm sure many progressives will. Especially if the dems let Turd Way direct our stance.

[Nordic]

65. I am convinced the Dems cut a deal with this election

They have completely vanished from the battlefield and conceded everything to the Pigs.

They are now busy making asses out of themselves on national television.

They are either in cahoots or so completely ignorant and clueless that they deserve to go down and disappear.

[Daisey Mae]

23. This is Great

Every day we get closer to booting these "creeps" right into their war crimes trials .......Gonzales right up there with them......Kinda answers the question of why the criminals are jumping ship and leaving this administration......Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Yuck Yuck Yuck Yuck.......Moral Family Values My Ass.......(O'Reily and Rush)

[ohioliberal]

24. Thank God!

Maybe there's hope for us after all!:)

[faithfull]

26. We'll keep our fingers crossed

And thank you to any/all greens and dems who gave and continue to help this effort

:donut:

[chiffon]

27. Welcome to DU Ohioliberal!!

:hi:

[Eurobabe]

30. Good, good, good....

So maybe my Ohio vote WILL count in 2008?

[callous taoboy]

32. Sorry, great effort and all, but...

I'm afraid Ohio would need to do a re-vote to clear things up. The fix is already in, IMHO.

[ahimsa]

39. Re-vote to find the true intent but..

a recount will hopefully show if there are problems with the system.

Callous Taoboys said 

I'm afraid Ohio would need to do a re-vote to clear things up.

A recount will help find solutions for voting machine and vote counting problems. What it won't do is get back those votes for people whose provisional ballots were rejected because their voter registration forms were never processed (as in NM), or who didn't have the patience to wait 8 hours to vote, etc. There you would need a re-vote. But the recount still a great thing.

[Poor Richard Lex]

56. great name

however I'm partial to the 'skins.

[intheflow]

74. Re-vote only way to go, imho

What about the voters who couldn't afford to miss 5 hours of work to vote? What about the absentee ballots tht have been thrown away b/c of no birthdate on the outside? What about the flyers saying that Dems were to vote on Wednesday?

Re-vote, not recount. But I guess we'll take whatever crumbs they throw us.

[JudyM]

34. Lingering questions

Sorry to even raise them, but...

Will it be done in time to be certified prior to the electoral college vote? And if so, and Kerry doesn't come out ahead:
1. Will there be time to challenge the discarding of votes that didn't meet Blackwell's high standards? and
2. Is there any hope of sorting out the mechanical problems so that we have validation of the multitude of glitches?

[KitSileya]

35. $150,000 in 4 days,

that says something about how convinced people are that there's something fishy going on in Ohio, and other places. Incredible.

[Gordon25]

36. A note of caution

I, too, believe the recount in Ohio to be a good thing. But the following must be kept in mind. For the past ten years, Republican controlled state legislatures have been "reforming" state election law to make the machine count the official count in elections. In Arizona election law, for example, an order for a recount means running the ballots back through the same optical scanners and central tabulators. It takes an order from the State Supreme Court to initiate a hand recount.

If this election was stolen through electronic manipulation of the vote count (among other means) as I believe it was, the most likely place for it to have been stolen is via the Diebold GEMS software run on county central tabulating computers, or on the ES&S comprable software. (The Diebold GEMS software and the ES&S central tabulating software share the same source code.)

This is the vote counting software which has the hidden second set of accounting books which can be accessed with a two digit code from within the program itself, or from within the Microsoft operating system over which the program runs, or remotely via modem or cell phone port access. It allows the creation of a new set of vote counts, the ability to substitute that count for the actual reported counts, and the ability to erase any trace of having done so.

It is also quite possible the code contains other hidden features to allow the manipulation of the vote count.

The point is simply this. If the Ohio recount amounts to no more than running the ballots back through the same fixed machines, with no hand counting to compare to the machine count, and no additional security monitoring of the central vote tabulating software to protect against unauthorized local or remote access, then the results will come out exactly the same. The end result will be not the exposure of fraud, but the validation of the phony count.

The same applies to the New Hampshire recount, and the possible Florida recount, though now that the vote totals in Florida have been "certified" it is doubtful whether or not a recount can be forced.

So congratulations all around for getting the recount. Please, now, let us now do it right and demand sample precinct hand counts to compare to the machine counts.

If there is anyone here who has connections to the Green Party Leadership, please try to get this data to them.

Gordon25

[ReneB]

38. good point there.. i agree

are there any infos available how the "recount" will be done?

[kk897]

42. Too true, but...

... at this point, for a lot of us, the recount isn't about getting Kerry the presidency. I'm just happy because it will focus attention on the horrible problems with the entire system, such as those you bring up, Gordon25. Even if it does absolutely nothing for the 2004 vote, maybe it will do something for elections to come. Media attention, even scornful attention as the recount movement has heretofore gotten, means that it's important enough to be NOTICED. And the more people who notice, the more people will question. I hope I hope I hope...

[hraka]

60. Hope...

But if the results are tainted, if the process if compromised, no one but us will ever know the initial results weren't true. There needs to be a way to show, irrefutable truth, that the count was wrong and Bush DID NOT win Ohio.

[SharonRB]

106. I agree

We need to be comfortable with the recount and know it's accurate, and with all of the votes that weren't counted at all, I'm not sure we can get that without a complete revote in Ohio. I know that would be difficult, and we'd never get all of the same people to vote, but I'm not confident we can get an accurate count with the ballots that are still in hand.

[newyawker99]

116. Hi SharonRB!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[RawMaterials]

43. maybe this is the reason everyone is resigning n/m

[Poor Richard Lex]

57. wow good point

I think that the rethugs are screwed if they get caught.

[masshole1979]

67. how many cabinet resignations is normal after a first term?

I was wondering about this too when I found out both Powell and Ashcroft were resigning...were there this many resignations at the end of the first Clinton admin? What about Reagan, Nixon, Johnson, Eisenhower, or Truman?

Meanwhile, any hope of Rumsfeld resigning? I'm sure he could make a fortune as a defense lobbyist...or just as a speaker.

[intheflow]

76. I heard on NPR that Clinton had 7. n/t

[kimchi]

108. Welcome to DU, masshole1979!

Rumsfield resign? It is my most ardent desire; but I wouldn't bet on it.

[Dancing_Dave]

44. Is the Democratic Party doing ANYTHING???

Were heard that the Democratic Party had saved some money for the post-election and plenty of lawyers ready to pounce on Fraud and Disenfranchizement. Are they doing ANYTHING? Some of the party bosses must be smart enough to realize that this is the biggest election-rigging in U.S. history.

They must realize that they got the largest contributions ever, but people will never give them that kind of money again if they can't get better results--such the trend toward Republican election rigging that first surfaced in 2000, was expanded for 2002, and expanded dramatically in 2004...at this rate we won't have any Democracy left by 2006!

[mulderig]

49. It will be a hand count...

of the ballots. The result will be compared to what the machine tallies were. The hand count will take precedence.

The dems have been an abysmal disappointment. To think of all the $$$ we gave for the campaign and the recount and all Kerry did was fold up like a deck chair on a wet day at wimbledon.

No, Kerry is not behind any of this. New Hampshire and Ohio recounts have been pushed through by the good grace, hard work and fund raising of fellow DU members and candidates, Cobb, Badarnik and Nader.

Apparently we seem to be the only ones concerned with counting all the votes and making sure that every vote counts!

M.

[hraka]

82. How do you hand count electronic votes?

I know they were only a percentage of the problem but "every vote counts".

[Name removed]

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[Chimpanzee]

102. Kerry is probably saving the money for AFTER the recounts

show he is President, and the pubes start their legal actions, leading up to another SCOTUS re-selection for Bush.

[IndianaGreen]

105. Nope, Kerry is saving the money for his 2008 run

Kerry vs Hillary!

:puke:

I wouldn't be surprised if Iraq is still an issue in 2008!

[kimchi]

109. Hi JOEMENTUM SUCKS!

Welcome to DU. Love your name, BTW.

Good question. Hope he gives it to the Greens or Nader who are actually DOING something.

[seemslikeadream]

51. update from JudyM

One minute update on Kerry staff involvement in Ohio


On the Tony Trupiano show a moment ago the guest, Cliff Arnebeck, an attorney involved in the Ohio recount, discussed the status of the recount effort. He mentioned that the Kerry folks are fanned out on the ground and he believes their plan is to first get a sense of the situation (type and extent of problems, how close the numbers are) and then make a determination as to next steps.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x53032

[seemslikeadream]

55. Counting Ohio provisional ballots (David Shuster)

Election boards all across Ohio have started counting "provisional ballots" in the presidential election. These are the ballots that were given to voters who believed they were registered but whose names didn't appear on the precinct list on election day. The verification process may take up to two weeks. In most states, approximately 85 percent of all provisional ballots are eventually verified and counted in the final vote tally. And the early reports out of Ohio suggest the "count" list in some counties will be as high as 90 percent.

As it stands, there are approximately 155,000 provisional ballots. So, one can expect at least 130,000 ballots to be verified and "added to the final count."

There is another number that will eventually come into play in the Buckeye state... and that's the number of "spoiled ballots." The Green/Libertarian coalition, through recountohio.org, has already raised enough money to pay for a statewide recount. And the group is now raising even more cash so they can hire recount monitors. A statewide recount will include a visual examination of all 93,000 "spoiled ballots" that indicated "no" vote for President. (The "no vote" is usually a machine-tabulation problem because of chads, hanging chads, and etc.) A brilliant e-mailer named Matthew Fox has analyzed which counties reported "spoiled ballots." And it does appear that approximately 60 pecent of all the spoiled ballots come from heavily Democratic urban areas.

Can the "provisional ballots" and "spoiled ballots" change the Ohio outcome? As it stands, the difference between President Bush and John Kerry is 136,483 votes. When John Kerry decided to concede, here is some of the math his campaign looked at:

If you assume, for the sake of argument, that Kerry receives 80 percent of the 130,000 provisional ballots most observers expect will be validated... Kerry would receive 104,000 votes and President Bush would get 26,000. That's a net gain for John Kerry of 78,000. At that point, the margin between President Bush and Senator Kerry would drop to 58,000 votes.

Now, let's assume a preference can be determined on all 93,000 spoiled ballots. And let's also assume John Kerry receives 80% and President Bush receives 20%. John Kerry would receive 74,400 votes and President Bush would receive 18,600 votes. That's another net gain for John Kerry of 55,800. However, that still leaves John Kerry 3,000 votes short. And remember, the theory that Kerry is going to receive 80% of all provisional and "spoiled" ballots is not realistic. As the Kerry campaign noted on November 3, "the votes are just not going to be there."

However, there is one other number that has been the talk of the Net... and that's the number of "tallies" that might have been hacked or changed by somebody who left some nefarious "code" on the Windows systems tabulating the county by county vote. If that actually happened, it's not clear that a statewide recount would detect such a break-in as it affects "electronic voting" machines. But, given that 70% of Ohio used punch cards... most of the state does have a "paper trail." And the recount, when it happens, should settle these allegations once and for all.

Questions/comments: [email protected]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5445086 /

[shaggy briard]

70. What constitutes "spoiled"

If someone left the electronic machine, but didn't touch the final "vote" icon, is that a "spoiled" ballot too?
Does ballots cast represent the the people who "signed in" or people who submitted a ballot to the reader/scanner?
Is the "spoiled" total the difference between the people who "signed in" and the number of votes registered or between the number of ballots submitted and the number of votes registered.
I am quite suspicious of some of the vote totals in Columbus precincts -- seemed like there were a lot more poeple in line than there were "ballots cast"

[seemslikeadream]

75. I don't know shaggy briard

maybe you could ask over in

2004 Election Results and Discussion

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203


welcome to DU :hi:

[CAcyclist]

84. Nice Doggie!

Welcome to DU!:hi:

[hraka]

58. Will it be enough?

I have my doubts in the fairness of any recount results. While the 20 electoral votes from Ohio will change the results of the election, I don't think Bush will concede. What then?

[kimchi]

111. Welcome to DU, hraka!

I have my doubts also; and I also doubt Bush would concede.

Your guess is as good as mine as to what happens next.

[Mackay]

59. Whole lot of good it will do...

Does anyone believe that even if John Kerry is proven to be the winner in Ohio that the BFEE will give up control of the presidency... and this country.

These people are freakin' nazis and they are not going to give up at any cost.

Nazis don't give up...

After 2000, the only way to get these people out was to take our torches and pitchforks and physically remove them.

I don't know why anyone (including myself) put any faith in this f-ing election.

[TroglodyteScholar]

61. I'm still waiting for the first damn count.....(n/t)

[Guaranteed]

62. THERE we go. Now THAT'S a state we want to have recounted. nt

[masshole1979]

66. Some questions about the recount...

...little wet behind the ears here, so go easy...if this has been answered elsewhere, please just post me the link...

1) The Ohio Greens need more money for Phase II to continue the recount now that's it's actually going to get started...can someone explain to me whether they mean a) as in NH, they will have to pay even more once the full cost becomes clear; or b) this money is for monitoring the recount. Couldn't figure this out based on their website (recountohio.org).

2) Will every single precinct be counted, or as in NH, will they only check selected precincts?

3) The Greens said they'd have volunteers on the ground. Is it too late to volunteer? Can't find this on their website, either.

4) What role precisely are the Dems playing in any of this? What about their massive legal fund and Edwards' promise to make every vote count?

[seemslikeadream]

69. Hi masshole1979

if you don't get an answer here try posting in this forum

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203

:hi:

[masshole1979]

72. is that because "latest breaking news" threads have a shorter shelf-life?

I'm still getting the hang of this forum. It's actually one of the few internet forums I can't write off as a waste of time.

[seemslikeadream]

73. DU is an incredible place

very additive though!

You just may get an answer faster over there. Lots of good stuff being discussed.

[Nordic]

77. You need to hit the "Presidential Results and Discussion" forum

which is right here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203

It will probably answer your questions. :)

Welcome to DU by the way

[Darranar]

78. Excellent news! n/t

[marieaey]

79. David Cobb and Michael Badnarik in need of Volunteers!

http://www.votecobb.org/

The Ohio Recount is Going Forward!
We are standing up for the right to vote, and the right for votes to be counted: David Cobb and Michael Badnarik announced their intentions to file a formal demand for a recount of the presidential ballots cast in Ohio.

Call for volunteers
Thousands of volunteers are needed in Ohio and from out-of-state to serve as observers in each of the 88 counties. If you want to be one of them, or can provide housing, please VOLUNTEER!

I signed up to volunteer and hope more folks in Ohio and elsewhere will also volunteer.

marie

[KAZ]

90. Volunteered. Hope I can get the time off work.

I'm doing it anyway, damn it!

[kimchi]

113. Hi marieaey!

Welcome to DU, and thanks for the information. I only wished I lived in Ohio at this time.

[ElementaryPenguin]

85. HOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY!

:bounce:

[HR_Pufnstuf]

86. Libertarian Volunteering Contact for Ohio

For all the libparty-leaning dems, here is some info i found on Badnarik's blog if u want to volunteer for them for Ohio.. still nothing on www.lp.org website tho.

From Badnarik's Blog
http://badnarik.org/supporters/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1045

----quote----

Found this on a Yahoo group.

"Person to contact to help in Ohio:
Stephen Gordon, Badnarik campaign xxx-xxx-xxxx
[email protected]
"

Why this information isn't already readily available on this website......

Anyway this seems to be our gateway to volunteering in Ohio."

====endquote====

There's a phone number at the above link but i left it off, just in case the above post is bogus, but the email may be worth trying..

Also, here is Badnarik's volunteer page which would prolly get thru.
http://badnarik.org/supporters/volunteer.php

move out.

[OutsourceBush]

88. I wonder if Republicans will be funding Nader's recount like they did

his run for President?

I am not holding my breath on this one. I suspect the Nader recount will just re-affirm our glorious DICKtator when it is all said and done. Nader will then stamp Ohio with a 'Republican approved' vote count sticker.

[FDRrocks]

94. In what way, exactly, is this "Nader's recount"? N/T

[kostya]

89. Yippee! Glad I donated some.

:bounce:

[cprise]

96. Some of the best news I've heard all week!

[tavalon]

98. Question

How were each of the original votes cast and how were they counted? Okay, that's a two part question but hey, we're all smarter than Bush so I think we can roll with this.

See, Diebold could have shown the votes a certain way even if they weren't cast that way by the live humans keying their votes into the computerized non transparent voting system. As well, even if these were old fashioned punch cards, they may have been read by optical readers that also have computer systems that if hacked before may continue to show what they were hacked to show.

Short verse - could this recount just show the same ol' same ol'? Is there something additional here that will make this count more sound than the last?

[eablair3]

99. So glad for the Green Party ....where are the Dems?

where's John Kerry and the Dems? Kerry proved he doesn't belong in the White House, but I'd still rather have the pathetic Kerry in there than Bush.

GO GREEN PARTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chimpanzee]

103. We're being screwed by Blackwell, no doubt about it

They were supposed to be able to count provisionals on 11/12. There are 155,000 in 11,000 precincts. That's an average of 14 per precinct. Why is it taking so long? I see a 'slowdown' strategy here to try to run out our time to do a full recount.

[6th Borough]

107. So...Nader blows bluster, the real Green Party takes the action.

No surprise there...

[4_Legs_Good]

115. I agree, but there's nothing Nader could do in Ohio

since he wasn't on the ballot.

david

[kwolf68]

112. I am very much considering

Going to the Green Party...if the Dems continue on their present path.