CNN TV: 2 more top CIA offficials turned in resignations this morning

[Tesibria]

Two Heads of Operation resigned.

1> Steven R. Kappes, Deputy Director of Operations
2>

Details to follow.


Per http://thedaily.washington.edu/news.lasso?-database=DailyWebSQL&-table=Articles&-response=wnpage.lasso&-keyField=__Record_ID__&-keyValue=10870&-search: The Washington Post has reported that deputy director of operations Steven R. Kappes also submitted his resignation but withdrew it for reconsideration over the weekend. News reports have indicated that changes sparked by Goss have led to widespread discontent at the agency.

[byronm]

1. Hmmm

Just what is our government doing?

[Demeter]

13. Dismantling The Staus Quo

and any hope we had of having any competence in the Intelligence business.

[Seabiscuit]

55. This is Dubya's version of a Stalinist "purge".

[Lizzie Borden]

That's exactly what's going on.

[Lizzie Borden]

63. That's exactly what's going on.

[papau]

59. Links to NYT, WP, and LAT print media reports on above

2 More Top CIA Officials Quit Over New Leadership


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/16/politics/16intel.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51301-20...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-ci...

Porter Goss' move to keep the lid on the CIA

2 More Top CIA Officials Quit Over New Leadership


By Greg Miller, Times Staff Writer


WASHINGTON — The resignations of two more senior CIA officials Monday fueled debate in the intelligence community over whether the agency was tumbling into turmoil under new Director Porter J. Goss, or was taking painful but necessary steps toward fixing serious problems.<snip>

The departures alarmed agency veterans, who said morale was plummeting under Goss' stewardship and that the agency was increasingly in disarray at a time when it was struggling to stay abreast of terrorist threats and the insurgency in Iraq.<snip>

Some CIA critics argue that still more departures are necessary to bring to heel an agency that many Republicans accused of seeking to sandbag Bush during the presidential campaign by leaking information that warned of the deteriorating situation in post-war Iraq.<snip>

[aquart]

2. My, this is getting seriously nasty.

And they're going to pretend this is about poor intelligence for 9/11 and Iraq instead the truth: they didn't back Bush's lies.

[ilovenicepeople]

23. I think it might be more about "good intelligence" pertaining to the next.

911:scared: :nuke:

[Beetwasher]

3. This Is Not Good

Not good at all for lots of reasons...We are not safe, not safe at all and getting less safe w/ each resignation and w/ each person purged...

[savetheuniverse]

37. i'm scared as hell

and i'm just a little thorn in their side... i think we know now how all the folks in the WTC must have felt...

god you guys up at the top pls take care...

[gnofg]

4. Brain Drain

With Bush as president ignorance is bliss. Let's just lose all our experience

[nolabels]

17. Plans have been submited to change acronym in the alphabet soup to "CDA"

IDA is also coming out with a new book "Spying for Dummies"

[demokatgurrl]

28. Dontcha mean "CYA"? n/t

[Straight Shooter]

29. Or maybe it's KMA

Kiss My A**

[savetheuniverse]

41. faux talking about turning people away from internet

[Occulus]

46. Naw- this is the Ebonics version- Cover Dat Ass

No offense intended. 'Dat' was the only thing I could think of that fit....

[savetheuniverse]

40. you know i never got any alphabet soup

is there some way someone could send me some? or should i get outta here? i think at this point i'm really regretting not having reported for duty when i should have, can anyone give me some instructions.

[AspenRose]

5. More desertions off the goodship USS George W. Bush

headed for collision with that iceberg known as Iraq.

[ewagner]

6. Very, very troublesome

Bush is consolidating his power in an agency which could do great damage to civil liberties....

people forget WHY there was a wall built between the CIA and FBI in the '70s..... if that wall is eliminated, our nation is in trouble.

[Beetwasher]

10. These Aren't Just Paper Pushers Either

These are Op Heads...We are in mortal danger, seriously, and it's getting worse w/ each purged member and each resignation...Fuck...

[ewagner]

12. I think we're on the same page here...

Each head of operations replaced by a Bush* "true Believer" is a threat to democracy.....

[Beetwasher]

14. Yeah

Unfortunately, I'm thinking even more immediate danger though, I just have a very bad feeling...With all these people resigning, who's keeping an eye on the burners? Lot's of things can happen when you take your eye off the flame, even for a moment...

[leftchick]

15. me too...

:scared:

[ewagner]

18. Good point

My hope is that the operational types still in the field are on "auto-pilot" and keep doing what they're supposed to do....it will take weeks or maybe months for directives from the replacements to affect operations in the field.....I hope.........

[abburdlen]

7. Plame?

4 more years of Bush, I'd want out of the CIA too.

[havocmom]

8. Neocons control media/information via ownership.

They own the ballot box via BBV and local flunkies posing as public servants/office holders.

The one loose end is info seeping out trough intel officers who do their jobs honorably and in service to the nation, not to a fascists agenda. They cannot control everything until the intell is castrated.

When they are done dismantling CIA, they will call it a Mission A
Accomplished before the American people: they made the changes recommended by the 9-11 Commission.

[aquart]

25. That's exactly what they'll say.

And McCain will back them, spineless schmuck that he is.

[Pithy Cherub]

9. The focus needs to shift to the CIA selection

practices because who is hired will also have a huge impact. In other words the seeds of intelligence destruction are being sown at all levels because there is no recognition or reward for speaking truth to power. This is what caused 9/11 and all the major (known)intelligence screw ups before this. James Bamford, William Odom, The Jersey Girls must be going absolutely nutz!

[Carl Brennan]

48. Bingo. Yep.

After watching all of the defections over the past couple of years, one thing stands out. There is no room for honest people in the CIA. Maybe now the "price of loyalty" is too high.

[sonicx]

11. damn disloyal 'liberal' CIA

alway undermining the president...:eyes:

[aquart]

27. Liberal CIA is an oxymoron.

We really have to stop imagining these guys as liberal anything. The CIA was the far right wing before BushCo made them LOOK centrist. Which should frighten everybody.

[nolabels]

32. It's all in the name, which basically means nothing if it's not ......

a self-descriptive. Frankly I think these folks who perceive them selfs as doing house cleaning are not too bright. No matter how much you dislike something or disagree with someones views that could never be a reason to try to remove it from your view without knowing what will replace it. Birds can't fly without feathers, but they sure cook up better with out them


Liberal Blue-Stater Annie Abbots goes off to war.

Special military draft declared for blue states
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i6942

[tandot]

16. well, aren't they free to write books after they are out of the CIA?

Hopefully they'll give a bunch of interviews and write books.

Someone must expose the criminals in the WH and their Gestapo.

[jasmeel]

20. Scherer (I think his name is) did an interview on 60 minutes

last night. Hopefully more to follow. However the Bushies will just call them disgruntled. We know better though.

[savetheuniverse]

39. faux news

reporting small skirmishes, etc.

saying they are discovering huge stores of weapons
etc.
chem wep line nyuklear

no question they have a tremendous am=t of power tremendous amt of access to these wpns.

[tandot]

50. Scheuer, the guy who wrote "Imperial Hubris" (anonymous) already

came out to reveal himself.

More will follow. And I agree with you that blind supporters of Bush will call them disgruntled. Many of these people refuse to look at the facts. I hope that there are enough smart people left in the US to look at the evidence and raise hell.

[baby_bear]

22. Their books have to be vetted

My guess is that if all the people who dislike Bush have been purged, we'll never see any of their books.

Too bad.

s_m

[kerry-is-my-prez]

47. There are already a hundred books out there.... the "morans" can't read

or really understand anything more complex than "gay people are bad" and "all Arabs are evildoers." The only people who are intellectually curious and/or interested are the "blue" people.

[tandot]

51. They are in love with their King. And as we all know: Love makes blind

Anything that is negative about Bush is disregarded as "liberal bias"

Hitler came to power in the same way. Ignorant people are just easy to manipulate. They just have to be told that "liberal elitists" made that stuff up and they'll swallow it.

[Lorien]

19. Well this is going to turn us into sitting ducks!

:grr:

Damned thoughtless, short sighted, brain dead BushCo! And Osama has NUKES?

F*cking brilliant. :eyes:

[VolcanoJen]

21. MSNBC Now: Dana Priest (WP) calls it a Goss-led "housecleaning"

She's saying that many in the top CIA echelons are dismayed at the direction Goss has taken... this story is hot right now.

[NashVegas]

30. I Wonder

Kappes's and Sulick's resignation follow a series of confrontations with Goss's new chief of staff, Patrick Murray, the former intelligence committee staff director and a Justice Department official.

Exactly what this little dust up is about? Spying on US citizens, perhaps?

[GoBlue]

34. Apparently Murray is Goss's enforcer

And Kappes and Sulick got the message.

[VolcanoJen]

35. Another bad sign: McCain officially on board

Since when did John McCain become the media's "what-do-you-think?" go-to guy?

McCain has become a bot, essentially. I do not trust or support anything he goes near.

McCain Backs CIA Shake-up

[Pachamama]

49. I find it particularly frightening that McCain seems to have become their

stamp of approval....I used to have some hope for McCain,not anymore...he hates Bush, so why did he campaign for him? And he can't possibly think that this "housecleaning and purging" is good? If he does, then he's a lost cause..if he doesn't, yet rubber-stamps everything for these guys, then we are in big trouble because if they can control McCain, then they are really more dangerous than we can imagine...

:scared:

[Dulcinea]

62. Maybe he's been promised a cabinet post?

As we all know, loyalty comes first, last & always with the Bushies.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

24. Now for the Great Classified Document Leak

We can only hope that some with a conscience and some bravery may reveal hidden things on their way out the door....

[Robert Oak]

26. i'm just assume these guys were competent

seems we're having a purge of anyone who has a mind today.

[Bridget Burke]

31. So, what about the CIA 9/11 report?

The one that actually named names & assigned blame? The one that was "held" until after the election?

Wonder if it will ever come to light?

[Nordmadr]

38. "So, what about the CIA 9/11 report?"

I would like to know what happened to that report as well. Wasn't it completed in July? Wasn't it supposed to come out after the election? Well, that was two weeks ago. Someone is sitting on this thing.

Our government is going all bad very quickly.

I have heard people say they would not be surprised to see a new civil war in this country. I do not think it would take too teribly much more to set it off.

Olaf

[passy]

56. did you mention CIVIL WAR?

Who is gonna fight who? I mean seriously, there is nothing for anyone to fight. Even when millions of people demonstrate in the streets of New York and the rest of the country against going to war in Iraq, it barely gets reported by anyone. Nobody will hear of any uprising if it ever happens; fine it will probably make it to the blogosphere and leftist forums like DU, but I'm afraid to say that it's not nearly enough yet. The government propaganda machine is well-oiled after four years of truth-spinning, reality-bending, mind-altering action. The bush-quasimodo thing didn't get anywhere didn't it.
And now when anybody mentions election-fraud and vote-rigging they are laughed at and called tin-foil-hat conspiracy theorists.
In USA's virtual reality there is no room for such old fashion things as riots, civil-wars, political assassinations at the ballot box, fascism (of the, we know what's good for you, just give us your money and your soul, and just go back to that reality show you were watching).
And don't look to minorities to express their outrage. African-americans are back where they were before the civil-right movement, disenfranchised from actively taking part in a society based on money and not individual worth. It's not about the colour of your skin it's about how much green-back you have.
The civil-rights movement gave African-americans more rights in the american society. Today the civil-rights movement applies to every single citizen of the united states of america.
You have technically speaking no more civil-rights.
The right to vote out a ruler whose management you disagree with has been lost.
Without that right nothing else matters.
The man with the mandate will soon tell you that osama has been recruiting amongst white-american citizens. He will ask you to do your duty for your country and spy on your neighbor and family. Did your nephew come back from a holiday in France? Who did he talk to when he was there? Isn't his girlfriend black? Wait my neighbor doesn't have TV what does he do in his spare time, is he making bombs in his garage?
I'm sorry, it's time to say goodbye to the american dream, you will never be rich, you will never be famous, you will never be free.
The monkey-boy has wiped his ass with the constitution and thrown it back in your face. Are you just gonna take it or do something about it.

[newyawker99]

61. Hi passy!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[newyawker99]

60. Hi olafvikingr!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Sin]

33. Im wondering

I wonder If these guys are takeing off because they can see a bigger leak in the ship that were not aware of yet. So they dont get to be the scape goats if any thing were to happen on there watch.
and if alot more leave maybe something wicked this way comes my mind could race with the possible things that could scare this many people off.

[ilovenicepeople]

42. I'm wondering also?

How can anyone with a brain left still think that your government isn't Completely responsible for 911?

[savetheuniverse]

36. powell is giving ABC press release now

saying he'll be in for a month or so

who will succeed him (catastrophically?), Rice abs is saying

then who will replace rice?

more on wrld news tonight...

aren't the american people wondering what is behind these rapid resignations?

[yorkiemommie1]

54. only half of them are

the other half believes whatever * says, or more likely,they are totally unaware any of this is happening or is meaningful in any way.

[halobeam]

58. More people are unaware of what's happening

That's just my opinion. told my own father that the recount is on for Ohio and he laughed and said, oh, stop believing everything you read... my response ?? stop beleiving everything you don't hear Dad.

It's really sad. I've got one gung-ho bro who's all for goin' it alone without any other countries...a "who needs them" attitude, all for the war, yet unwilling to go to war to fight it himself..being 35 and single, yep, just send someone else. yada yada, a mom who says, women could just start fighting again for their rights to their bodies, they've done it before, they'll do it again, when asked about abortion rights.... and well, a father who... as I stated above, doesn't pay attention, and then hears nothing and so says it isn't so.

I'm a 42 yr old woman, married with two kids and they won't possibly even look at the print outs I've given them, when they've responded to me by saying "prove it", and I have. They never even read what I gave them.

I know, there are too many ppl like this, ignorant and believe me, they laugh a lot and are "happy"...until their Soc. Sec. gets reduced, until their granddaughter has a baby at 15 and their 35 yr old son is living with them and living off of their reduced income because he lost his damn job.

I know, I will say, Love ya all, but you voted for this and I told you this would happen.

UN freakin' BELIEVABLE.

[iam]

43. This is a putsch...

Just like in the former Soviet Union. The opposition party is being forced out at all levels of gov't. No one left but conservative sycophants and bush* yes men there only to please the boss, not to do the peoples work. Soon only religious nutjobs and neo-nazis will hold the levers of power in Washington. Watch out world, you thought DPRK was a rogue state, we have 10,000 atom bombs and our great leader is crazy!

[steely]

52. That's the word I was looking for.

eom

[Skidmore]

44. If there is ever a time for an honest citizen who has concern for

this nation and just also happens to be in the CIA to step forward to divulge anything that could take the wheels off of this juggernaut, now is the time.

[Sin]

45. Unless he or she

has some hard evidence on a CD or some top secret stuff like the pentagon papers.
They will
1. Run there name through though the muck and try to discredit them
2. Breaks fail all the time and man who could have predicted such a build up of ice on that plains wings.
3. Holy crap terrorist blew them up how the heck did they get in the country.
4. They turned and sold secrets to the evil doers thats why we had to confiscate there house and secure all the people they have been talking to + whoops we tossed them in a room and some how lost the room.

So lets hope they have copy's and some really fat pipe bandwidth + a death wish.

[many a good man]

53. Isn't this how Joe Stalin got started?

n/t

[BlueManDude]

57. Loyalty is now valued more than competence and experience.

[Barrett808]

64. Remember the last time the CIA was purged?

Something like 1/3 of the CIA was fired by Carter after the Church Committee report was released. Those folks marched over to the RNC and offered their services.

Wonder if the same will happen in reverse this time.