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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:29 AM
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Now, Santorum's under fire(RW threatens to run Toomey against him)
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 12:31 AM by RamboLiberal
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04317/410839.stm

Conservative groups yesterday urged Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum to help lead the fight to deny the Senate judiciary committee chairmanship to his colleague, Sen. Arlen Specter.

Sen. Rick Santorum is under pressure from conservative groups to try to prevent Sen. Arlen Specter from rising to chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. The groups oppose Specter's stance on abortion and other issues.
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The groups noted that they already were upset with Santorum, the No. 3 Republican in the Senate, for supporting Specter earlier this year in his Republican primary contest against Rep. Patrick Toomey, a conservative and strong opponent of abortion.

If Santorum hopes to avoid his own Senate primary battle in two years --and perhaps make a run for president in 2008 -- he needs to heed conservative concerns about whether Specter, a moderate, can be trusted to shepherd President Bush's judicial nominees through the Senate, the groups said.

"When I was out on the road in Pennsylvania, people were so angry with Sen. Santorum for backing Sen. Specter" in the primary, said the Rev. Patrick Mahoney, head of the Christian Defense Coalition. "Wouldn't it be fascinating if Congressman Toomey ran a primary against Santorum?"

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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:33 AM
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1. It's difficult to imagine
anyone more conservative than Santorum. Do such people actually exist?
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minkyboodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:33 AM
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2. my thoughts exactly
truly a frightening thought
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:33 AM
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3. it will all be about who hates gays the most
and how far they will go to prevent women who want an abortion from being able to get them.
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:37 AM
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4. As a PA'er I find this hilarious!
I mean, Toomey gave Specter a run for his money in the primaries. Thankfully Specter won, its a case of the lesser of two evils(to the power of 2).

But given Specters "moderation" and his senior-Senatorship, if Toomey can give Specter a fight, SANTORUM WOULD PROLLY GO THE HELL DOWN!

Maybe I'm just looking at it through rose-colored glasses. Toomey may not be any better than Santorum, but maybe he isn't an outright bigot, and at least he doesn't bring dead fetuses home to introduce them to his kids.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:05 AM
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27. this is about further eroding Roe v Rade Period!!


......Jan LaRue, chief counsel of the Concerned Women for America, agreed that Santorum "has got to do something here. The Senate controls its own rules; there are a number of ways they can address this. It's up to them, but get rid of him .

"Santorum would like to become the president of the United States, but he alienated a lot of pro-family, pro-life people when he came to Specter's aid over Toomey, who is a strong pro-life man...," LaRue said. "If he wants to get back that kind of support for his future political ambitions, he's got to do something" about Specter.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:50 PM
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85. "Santorum Would LIke to Be President of the United States"
Okay, I'm not really one to say this, but I swear to fucking God the day he is elected is the day that I move out of this country.

I cannot have a president whose name is synonymous with the frothy mixture his name now represents.

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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:23 AM
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41. As PAian, I sure as hell don't...
... These assholes "represent" me???
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eggman67 Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:51 PM
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60. As a PA'er I find it nauseating
Toomey is worse than Santorum. I almost reregistered Rep in order to vote for Specter in the primary. Toomey sucks.
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:57 PM
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63. ammunition
Let them have a nice primary battle and dig up and throw lots of mud. Whoever is the Dem nominee to face them won't have to get his hands as dirty.

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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:27 AM
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69. Another Pa'er here
and let me tell you, I feel your pain. It is hard to imagine a wingier wing-nut than Santorum, but Toomey is the wingnutiest.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:38 AM
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5. Yep, Santorum's vulnerable, and his own party wants him out first
PA is NOT a state well-represented by that psycho freak, but they're setting themselves up for a major loss by running a comparable nutjob in the primaries.

Spector won again by playing a moderate with seniority and strategic influence. Santorum is a nasty blowhard, and Toomey will be no better. Hoeffel might just end up in the Senate yet.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:40 AM
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6. Oh I so hope Santorum survives
I want him running for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008 SO DAMN BAD.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:50 AM
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12. No You Don't! He'd Win...
...unless we get rid of the DIEBLD REPUBLICAN ELECTING MACHINEZ by then!


    We Make Democracy DIE
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:03 AM
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19. I got news for you
ANYONE on their side will win in 2008 if we don't deal with BBV.

Santorum would just be more entertaining than the others. I mean from a pure entertainment stance who would you rather have? Bill Frist or Rick Santorum? It's a no brainer.

You can bet Lorne Michaels and everyone at SNL is crossing their fingers for Santorum.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #19
25. Not News To Me
I was saying we could have run Jesus Christ himself and lost.


   All your votes are belong to us!

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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:12 AM
Response to Reply #25
35. Reich Wing republican Christians don't particularly care for Jesus Christ.
They would shower Him with vicious hate if he ran.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:42 AM
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45. No way would they vote for some radical homeless Jew!
Besides, he's not even an American citizen. And even if they did change the Constitution to let him run, Arnold would beat him out for the nomination.
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 05:47 AM
Response to Reply #45
74. Hehe, radical, homeless, UNMARRIED Jew in his 30s NT
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Ctrl_Alt_Del Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #12
56. So would the 2008 elections be called...
"Diebold II: Die Bolder"?

Maybe I'll just move the fuck to Canada before it comes to that. You're scaring the shit out of me with this Santorum talk...
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #56
80. No, that'w what the 2004 elections were
Great t-shirt slogan
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:40 AM
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7. I'd bet..
that Toomey stands an actual chance against Santorum. Especially if we flood Santorum's office with calls asking him to back-up his fellow PA senator. I'd guess that he'll take Specter's side, which Toomey can spin as Santorum being too moderate.

How is Pennsylvania's primary process executed? Could we get a bunch of Dems to vote in Pennsylvania's GOP primary?

I'd propose that we knock-off Santorum in the primaries early. If we do this, a few things are accomplished:
1) his run in 2008 is seriously compromised;
2) Toomey is much easier to paint as "extreme," making this seat a bit easier for us; and,
3) divisions in the GOP are further exacerbated.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #7
10. I remember a soundbyte...
...where Spector said about Toomey "He makes Rick Santorum look like a liberal." Toomey could be really bad.
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:49 AM
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11. How would Hoefel (sp?) do?
I grew up in PA and please forgive me, was a Repuke. I liked Spector then, but as a convert, I hurled at his re-election. I think Joe H. did pretty good, but would he have a chance vs. rw toomey/santorum? Spector got moderates and union and some otherwise democratic voters.
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:51 AM
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14. I'm not quite sure..
I didn't follow the last PA Senate general election very closely, so I'm not very tuned-into Joe's reputation around the state.. :P
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 04:30 AM
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31. Hoeffel did well for a relative unknown
I like him and think he'd have a shot. Although I've also heard Judy Rodin, Penn's former president, is thinking about challenging him in the primaries. I hope that's true because she'd be even better.

Welcome aboard, and hey, we all make mistakes. ;-)
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:15 AM
Response to Reply #11
33. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:25 AM
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42. probably well
Hoeffel did pretty well against Specter this fall; I hope he gives it a run next time around - good shot against Santorum, great shot against toomey
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Dr Batsen D Belfry Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:26 AM
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75. Sorry, but I repectfully disagree
There is no way you make up a prejected 8% deficit in the polls 6 days prior against Specter without a major event happening. The major event that allowed Hoeffel to pull close was the number of straight-ticket voters that went to the polls in PA. His "success" was more the result of the PA majority's disdain for everything Republican that day.

It had nothing whatsoever with Hoeffel. IMHO he is a terrible candidate, and the Dems in PA better get their collectve heads out of their asses.

Dr. Batsen D. Belfry
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eggman67 Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #75
78. True
Hoeffel needed coattails to make even a decent showing, he wouldn't have that in 2006. I'm in the 13th district, he was my Rep and we can do better than that weasel.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #11
49. Hi I_Make_Mistakes!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Plausible Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #7
17. pa primaries.
to get pa dems to vote for a gop candidate in the primary would require them to change party and become repubs. unlikely many could bring themselves to do that, even on a temporary basis.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #7
90. we have closed primaries
to get tomey as the nominee we would have to switch parties.
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69KV Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:46 AM
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8. This is standard procedure for the Repukes
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 12:47 AM by 69KV
The old Rockefeller Republicans in the 1950s and 1960s were too liberal, so they ran Goldwater and Nixon and took over the party.

Nixon and Ford were too liberal so they ran Reagan.

GOP "moderates" like Bob Dole and Lamar Alexander got their start as Goldwaterites in opposition to the old "moderate" wing of the party. Today the wingnuts think they are too liberal.

Bush is far to the right of Reagan or Goldwater, and they love the guy and think he's mainstream.

Pat Buchanan (Buchanan??!!) has become the voice of moderation in the Republican Party.

Now Santorum is too liberal and they want to run somebody against him who is even further right? Santorum??!!

How much further right can that party go before they disappear up their own asshole?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:53 AM
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15. As Far As They Want To...
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 12:54 AM by AndyTiedye
...as long as Christian Reconstructionists count the votes.


   "committed to helping to deliver the electoral votes of Ohio to the President"
    Walden O'Dell, CEO
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:35 PM
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81. But but but - the Democrats are too liberal, too, and this is what the
"country" wants, so the Democrats have to move further right, because that's what some fascist members on this board say!

And so the repukes move ever further right, and we must follow like dogs after a scrap.

To hell with principals. It's all about strategizing and figuring out how to "win" at all costs, principals and core beliefs be damned.

These repuke wanna-bees will scheme and search and flipflop in their elusive search for figuring out how to "win" instead of standing pat, standing on principals and belieefs that we are passionate about, and begin convincing others to support our views.

I for one have moved as far "right" as I ever will. It's time to push back to move LEFT and take the rest of the country with us!
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:46 AM
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9. The War of the Wackos
Bring it on.

The Onion, the Daily Show, and Ironic Times, and not even Betty Bowers will be able to beat it for bizarre....

While they are fighting for the Wacko-American vote in mid-state, we in Fort Pittsburgh and Fort Philadelphia will run a Sane candidate.

Reality check -- Spector -- who is not adored but is considered acceptable, won a narrow victory over Joe Hopeful.

PS -- no one in PA has cut off their claws after Nov 2. We're growing them. It is obscene that this religiously insane extremist stupido Republican whore sits in the former seat of our beloved and forever honored late Senator John Heinz....We are already working to send this asshole ("'Santorum' is Latin for 'asshole'" -- B. Kerrey) -- back to the medieval Spanish Inquisition where he fits in better than modern America.

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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #9
13. Damn straight!
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 12:52 AM by FDRrocks
PA is gonna export our beautiful blue colors, while strengthening the hue here at home.

Kick the Stars and Bars out of the Pennsylvania!

Love,
Wilkes-Barre/Scranton (Lackawanna County was plenty blue this go-around :))
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:08 AM
Response to Reply #13
20. We'll hold the Mason Dixon line....
No coincidence that 'red" states are parts of the former Confederacy -- and they have NEVER gotten over the Civil War. Ha ha -- they now seem to be on the verge of finally winning it, as the southern economic, social, religious and militaristic model has spread up this way and is now the agenda of the US (?) government.... Bizarre.

I resist. I will NEVER be reconstructed into a redneck agenda. BULLSHIT!


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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #13
91. yes we were plenty blue weren't we?
As was Luzerne thought not quite as blue. ACT and the Campaign and Move-on all did their part.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:53 AM
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16. If Toomey is that wacky, would a Dem have any chance?
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:01 AM
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18. Definition: Santorum
Pronunciation: san-TOR-um
Function: noun
1. The frothy mix of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex.

:hurts:

http://www.spreadingsantorum.com/
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DeadHead67 Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:17 AM
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21. I wondered how long it would take for someone to post. . . . .
. . .this definition. I read Savage Love myself. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #21
22. oh gosh!!!!!!!!!!
if that's really the definition of it, that people have come up with for that, well, I must say, that's HYSTERICAL. It makes me want him running for President so we can MOCK the doofus! He wouldn't win PA in a general election would he?????????? UGH... I would think PA would say, "President Santorum? Senator Santorum, yes, but President? NO THANK YOU!"

well, I'd HOPE that, of course, I'm shocked he's around at all.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #18
50. Hi Tommymac!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #50
65. THANKS! I live in PA
...and I am RIGHT NOW organizing a grass roots group in my area to give our State a cleansing enema and flush the santorum down the crapper. :headbang:
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corporatemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:38 AM
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23. SANTORUM UNDER INVESTIGATION
well only by a schoolboard but still interesting for a wnut christianist who complains decries "government handouts"-

Santorum's residency questioned

By Reid R. Frazier and Tom Jewell
Thursday, November 11, 2004

The Penn Hills School Board is investigating U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum's residency to determine whether the district must continue paying cyber charter school tuition for his children.


http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/tribeast/s_271582.html

and a previous article -

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/pittsburgh/s_269995.html

Two interesting Sanitorium items-

1)Ricky won his first congressional election by painting his incumbent democrat opponent as being out of touch with PA because he lived in Virginia.

2)These articles come from the Pittsburgh Tribune/Review which is the rightwing rag that is owned by Mellon-Scaife.

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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #23
51. Hi corporatemedia!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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corporatemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #51
54. FOUR MORE BEERS
thanks newyawker99

i think i've found my home on the internets
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #54
61. Welcome home!
Yer late-where ya been?
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corporatemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #61
64. so many internets, i musta got lost
thanks est
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:25 AM
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71. Edited
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 02:43 AM by EST
multiple entry
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:15 AM
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67. More kernels of crap floating in the santorum soup
Remember old Ricky Boy's hate filled diatribe against gays last spring? An intern called a local Pittsburgh radio talk show this summer and said she worked for shitorum while she was a college intern...and he often let her babysit his lil pure innocent children. Turns out she was a lesbian...BAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAHA

And how 'bout this from ole Ricocrite

U.S. Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.)
As a United States Senator, Rick Santorum has repeatedly supported limits on consumers’ rights to seek compensation in the courts. In 1994, Santorum sponsored the Comprehensive Family Health Access and Savings Act that would have capped non-economic damages at $250,000

...But the same rhetoric does not seem to apply to Senator Santorum. In December 1999 Santorum supported his wife’s medical malpractice lawsuit against her chiropractor for $500,000.

http://www.kraftlaw.com/Articles/Hypocrites.htm
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corporatemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #67
68. thanks for the link
it's a good one
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #67
82. Nice try - but logic and facts mean nothing to these people.
They are truly delusional and in a state of denile.

The only way to win is to play as dirty as they do and cheat and steall like they do.

Sorry, but THAT's the truth.
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:54 AM
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24. Hopefully Santorum will see this for what it is
I doubt he has the brains to stand up to these people and stop the insanity. I will bet dollars to donuts that he bends to their will allows this BS to continue and carries on the view of the minority in order to avoid a nasty fight in a re-election bid, or baggage in a run in '08 for the WH
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eggman67 Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:56 PM
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62. He won't cave
I don't like him, but I really believe he'll stand by Specter.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:27 AM
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26. These folks are a piece of work... Blackmail..extortion..threats
geeez,, don't they just give you the "warm-fuzzies"..
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LetsGoMurphys Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:38 AM
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28. Bob Casey Jr.
Long time watcher, first time poster. Our key to getting Santorum out of office is Bob Casey Jr. He is pro-life but he is a good man and i know him personally. He has the appeal and statewide recognition to get that asshole out of there.
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #28
43. no - he is not the answer...
going right to re-assert progresive liberalisim is like fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

I hope Casey, Jr doesnt come in an muck this up.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #43
92. Casey is liberal except for the anti abortion thing
but I will not support him because of the anti abortion thing. I wish he would just drop it and admit that pro-choice is the moderate position.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:03 PM
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52. Hi LetsGoMurphys!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:37 PM
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58. Bobby Casey would trounce Toomey (w/o BBV)
Casey is a paleoliberal (FDR type, pre-1960's) Red Dog Democrat, whose economic liberalism (pro-labor, pro-civil rights, pro-woman, contrary to popular belief) makes his social conservatism a bit more palatable to all but the extreme left. He fought to hold the corporate crooks accountable; to give the have-nots a bit more; to expose the waste and fraud of Ridge's administration; etc. Casey would win the Dems who would otherwise vote Repuke.

I can't see why single-issue pro-choice voters would dismiss Casey out of hand as a reactionary when his ideas actually would lift the poor out of poverty and give them a chance to make a decent living.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:33 PM
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93. pro-choice is not pro-women
and pro-choice is never a single issue vote. We always have a pro-choice candidate to chose from.

But go ahead and be insulting about women protecting their civil rights. See how well that works out. Democrats will start losing Pa rather than winning it if you give us candidates who do not respect our right to control our bodies and futures.

In 2002 we were told that we were going to lose the Governors race because we nominated a pro-choice candidate in a pro-life state. That argument just doesn't hold water.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:46 AM
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29. How many more people
can they get out there on the rabid, radical rong? isn't it getting crowded? R they all trying 2 one up each other 2 C who is the wackiest?

These rat bastards R so much crazier than I thought.
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SoSleeplessinSoCal Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 04:27 AM
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30. Didn't Bush campaign for Specter?
I recall the right winger being run against Specter in the primary and Bush was afraid the extremist would lose to the Democrat so he campaigned for him.

Anybody else remember this?
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 04:37 AM
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32. Smokescreen RW Karl Rove bullshit. stop paying attention to the RW.
Everything they say and do is a lie and has ulterior motives.

Always.

It's all scripted.

Always.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:48 AM
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34. It is good that this is so public - let them fight it out in public
Many speculated that the republican party was holding itself together to get thru the election, but that the moderates and the Christian right were really at odds, and the differences would become more public and ugly after the election.

People have to see this stuff in the light of day to know how people are being pressured and manipulated. It is really ugly stuff.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:07 AM
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36. When extreme just isn't extreme enough
I truly hope that Santorum is cannibalized by his own kind.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:21 AM
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38. Ewwww...Just stop!
I've been meme'd by Dan Savage.

There is word that the T-Shirts are very popular on Capitol Hill.
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trapper914 Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:18 AM
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37. Wait till the anti-choice people find out...
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 09:20 AM by trapper914
On edit...

...never mind...got my hypocritical Republican Senators mixed up.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:21 AM
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39. Well, he's just not evil enough.
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 09:22 AM by trogdor
He's quasi-evil; he's semi-evil; he's the margarine of evil, he's the Diet Coke of evil - just one calorie, not evil enough.

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pinerow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:21 AM
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40. Ha..!! They are eating their young...
nt
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74dodgedart Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:29 AM
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44. The birth of a more conservative third party ??
If the moderate Republicans fight back over the next four years...where do the ultra-right wingers go ?
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:43 AM
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46. Isn't Santorum also a prime suspect on 'Memogate"?
It hasn't been talked about that I have seen but it stands to reason that he was aware of what was going on (reading the Dem's mail) and thus would be vulnerable IF the investigators ever get to the bottom of the shenanigans. It fits his sneaky snake in the grass style.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:10 AM
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47. Tweety made mincemeat out of Toomey
(snip)

MATTHEWS: Well, let‘s talk about the mainstream. Would you like to repeal or have a court overrule Roe v. Wade?

TOOMEY: Yes, I would. I think that that was clearly not a legitimate decision. It was a case where five Supreme Court justices decided that...

MATTHEWS: Yes, so you would like to get rid of—yes, so you basically would like to see..

TOOMEY: They decided they were going to pass a law.

MATTHEWS: Well, do you think the Supreme Court was wrong in saying a woman has a right to an abortion in the first six months of pregnancy?

TOOMEY: Yes, I think they were wrong to say that. I think that‘s not
a legitimate decision. The Constitution is clearly silent on the issue of
abortion. States had addressed this issue, and the Supreme Court decided
it wanted to overrule the legislative bodies of all 50 states and so it
did. It issued an edict

MATTHEWS: If you go back to state‘s rights on abortion, would you support banning abortion in Pennsylvania?

TOOMEY: Yes, I would, yes.

MATTHEWS: In other words, if a woman had an abortion in Pennsylvania, what would you do to her?

TOOMEY: Well, you know, Chris

MATTHEWS: I‘m serious. What would you do to her? You said you want to ban it. You want to use the law to outlaw abortion.

TOOMEY: That‘s right.

MATTHEWS: What would you do to a woman who had an abortion? What would you do to her?

TOOMEY: Oh, I think we would first look at the doctor who is

performing the abortion and have some penalties

MATTHEWS: Why? Why don‘t you go after the woman? Why don‘t you go after the woman? In any other situation of law and justice, you go after the person who perpetrates the act. If it‘s wrong to commit...

MATTHEWS: No, really. This is what the whole issue of abortion is and where all the B.S. comes into this argument. Are you willing to say that you would put a woman in prison for having an abortion?

TOOMEY: Chris, I‘m not sure what the penalty would be. I‘m saying...

MATTHEWS: Well, say what you want it to be.

MATTHEWS: You said it should be banned. Would you please stand up for what you believe?

TOOMEY: That‘s right.

MATTHEWS: If abortion is wrong and it‘s a crime and it‘s murder, tell me what the punishment should be.

TOOMEY: And I‘m telling you that there should be legal action taken against the doctor who performs it.

MATTHEWS: And?

TOOMEY: And we‘ve got to think through what we would do with regard to the woman.

MATTHEWS: What would you like to do?

TOOMEY: But, Chris, that doesn‘t change the fact

MATTHEWS: You are running for the United States Senate.

MATTHEWS: And you‘ve said we ought to get rid of Roe v. Wade and you said that abortion should be banned in Pennsylvania, but you won‘t tell me what the penalty should be.

TOOMEY: That‘s right, Chris.

Look, we can take things one step at a time. I think that the constitutional decision was invalid. It‘s perfectly OK to believe that these justices made up a right that doesn‘t exist in the Constitution without deciding exactly what the penalty should be under all circumstances.

MATTHEWS: You want to make up a law without a penalty. It‘s a crime without a penalty. I‘ve never heard of such a thing.

MATTHEWS: Why declare something to be...

MATTHEWS: I‘m serious. This is the problem and the confusion over abortion rights in this country.

MATTHEWS: People on the far right side won‘t say what they‘ll do.

They simply say they don‘t like the way things are now. What would you do?

TOOMEY: Well, if we overturn Roe vs. wade, one of the things we could do is leave it to states to make some decisions about this.

MATTHEWS: And what would you support Pennsylvania doing? You are running for senator from Pennsylvania. What should Pennsylvania do to women who decide to have an abortion? What would you do to them?

TOOMEY: Chris, I‘ve told you, I haven‘t figured out what I think we
should be doing with…

MATTHEWS: Well, shouldn‘t you figure out a few of these things before you run for office?

more…
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4778807/
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:14 AM
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48. Let them go to it ! And let's sell tickets !!
Nothing more entertaining than watching Republicans destroy their own.


:hippie:
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:28 PM
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57. If the stakes weren't so high...
It could be really fun to watch them self-destruct. Which is exactly what's getting ready to happen.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:13 PM
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53. Pass the Popcorn!
this is going to be fun. I hope they attack all the so-called "moderate" (e.g. non-Theocrat) Republicans. There are many GOP supporters who are in denial about just who is running their party. Once the likes of Dobson, Falwell and Roberts are openly deciding who gets to chair which committee in the United States Fucking SENATE they won't be able deny it any more.

Watching the GOP tear itself apart will be a wonderful thing to behold.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:57 PM
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55. OK, Toomey
You hit Fetus Fondler high, we'll hit him low and we'll turn that seat BLUE, baby.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:46 PM
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59. Jesus! And some people on this site accuse some of US
of being rigid ideologues. If they aren't satisfied with Sphinctorum then NOTHING is going to satisfy them.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:09 AM
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66. They love the unborn, don't they?
Just so long as they don't turn out to be gay.

But, it's really super when the born get to grow up and go into the Army and then get sent to Iraq to die horribly for no reason at all.

They do love the unborn. The STRAIGHT unborn, that is.

Wanna bet the anti-choice people would be all for aborting fetuses that could conclusively be determined to be homosexual?

How's THAT for a ticklish one?
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:04 AM
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70. And some of you make fun of the SOUTH????
When Rick Scrotorum is the MODERATE candidate???? Gimme a break.

Bake
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:31 AM
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72. Santorum
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 02:32 AM by bumblebee1
It's nice to know that I'm not the only PA resident who doesn't care for him. Rick Santorum seems like the type of person whose head you'd want to slam into a school locker a couple of times. I've always felt that PA deserved someone better than Santorum representing them in the Senate. You mean Toomey is worse?
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:57 AM
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73. Welcome to DU!
Santorum and his ilke are NOT pro life: they are at best pro-birth. Very anti-life.
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eggman67 Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:01 PM
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77. Toomey sucks
He's so far right he makes Santorum look downright reasonable.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:03 AM
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76. I love it !
The re-pugs are eating their own !
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:07 PM
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79. Senator Sanctamonious isn't conservative ENOUGH?
I'm still trying to figure out how a senator only Wyoming could love gets elected in PA..........
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:43 PM
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83. How the HELL can this be so??? "Santorum = Toomey" & "Toomey = Santorum"
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:44 PM
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84. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy, eh?
:P
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corporatemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:19 PM
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86. santorum CYBERGATE SCANDAL links
Santorum CYBERGATE links


DATE SOURCE AUTHOR NOTES

10/20/04 Penn Hills Progress Vera Miller original source
http://www.gatewaynewspapers.com/pennhillsprogress/36884/

11/06/04 Pittsburgh Tribune-Review Vera Miller
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/pittsburgh/s_269995.html

11/10/04 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Sally Kalson only P-G story so far? Contains PA supreme ct info
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04315/409553.stm

11/11/04 Pittsburgh Tribune-Review Frazier & Jewell
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/tribeast/s_271582.html

11/12/04 Tallahassee Democrat (AP) Jennifer Yates picked up nationally
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/10169219.htm

N/A Allegheny Property Assessment Web Site official property info
http://www2.county.allegheny.pa.us/RealEstate/General.asp?CurrBloLot=0367G00075000000&HouseNum=111&Street=STEPHENS%20LN&SingleResult=True

i've been working on this for the last few days, but being a newbie i can't post new threads so i'm attaching this where i can.

if anyone has new sources, please reply to my post and i will continue to compile the list.

i have contacted the local DFA group in the hopes of organizing a sign campaign. unfortunately, i have no resources but a lot of ideas, including a web site, bumper stickers and...

erecting 4'X 8' signs in high visibility locations in communities around allegheny county saying something like -

SENATOR SANTORUM
DON'T MOVE HERE
WE CAN'T AFFORD YOU

we need to act now. we can't wait two years to start our campaign against santorum. strike while the iron is hot!

if anyone in the pgh area is interested in this please contact me at [email protected]
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corporatemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:03 AM
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94. UPDATED and corrected santorum CYBERGATE SCANDAL links...
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:04 PM
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87. lordly now don't the GOP look more and more like the Khmer Rouge?
they are eating themselves in a quest fo ideological purity.

soon there will only one person pure enough for the Lord.
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POTGNE Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:07 PM
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88. Santorum is a closet homo.....
Anyone who is that down on gays has tendencies.....They are only preoccupied with it because of their "impure thoughts". LMAO!
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corporatemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:14 PM
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89. actually he's probably bi...
he's screwing all the people of PA
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