Clinton, Edwards, Frist eye 2008 presidency - Countdown for 2008

[OutsourceBush]

It's only four more years to go — minus a day. Who's counting? Lots of folks.

WASHINGTON - The day that dropped the curtain on the 2004 presidential race raised one for the 2008 contest, with Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (news - web sites) and John Edwards (news - web sites) jockeying for advantage among Democrats and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist the first on the stage for Republicans.

"You can be disappointed, but you cannot walk away. This fight has just begun," Edwards told Democratic loyalists in Boston in a concession speech that also could qualify as the leadoff stump speech of the next presidential campaign.


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[4_Legs_Good]

1. why Edwards?

I'm ready to cut him loose. He had his shot, put someone else at the bottom of the ticket. Someone who will carry a state.

david

[Renew Deal]

5. He needs a job.

Until he gets reelected, I don't think he's a good idea.

[Sven77]

16. it will be against ahnold and jeb

and will the no paper trail voting machines dems will lose again. it will be ahnold/jeb in 2008 mark my words. and dont tell me ahnold cant run cuz hes foreign born, hatch already has a bill in the works for that.

[eleonora]

26. unfortunately I think you're right

they're going to make it so Arnold is on the ticket

[davidinalameda]

71. still won't win California

not with a right wing at the head of the ticket and face it, the Repukes are still controlled by the Falwells and the Robertsons

[truthisfreedom]

27. hatch may have a bill, but i believe the number of votes they need to make

this kind of change is unreachable.

[GreenArrow]

28. "unreachable"

Bush being re-elected would have seemed "unreachable" just a few hours ago. They'll find a way to reach it.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

35. Not saying that he would actually keep his word, BUT:

Larry King asked Jebby he if was "definitely not interested in running for president."

Bush looked annoyed at the question and said "I have no interest in running for president in 2008."

King didn't say anything about "2008," Jeb did. So start thinking 2012, assuming there's a planet earth left after the imminent nuclear holocaust brought on by Emperor Bunnypants.

This little exchange took place late last week.

[kskiska]

46. Bar was asked a couple months ago whether Jeb will run

She said he's got to make some money first after being governor, but she and Poppy definitely want him to run once he does that. I'll bet his marriage won't survive, though. They already live apart.

[Comicstripper]

74. No it won't

Arnold is too moderate to be nominated by the GOP.

[THUNDER HANDS]

2. I got an idea

Al Gore

ala Nixon in 68.

[okieinpain]

80. no I've got an idea, how about brad pitt, or johnny depp. *uck it's

all image any way.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

3. Hey I think Kerry and Gore should try again also

Heck Bush Sr and Nixon had to run twice to get elected Ronald Reagan tried three times before he was succesful.

[Renew Deal]

7. Kerry will be 66.

Forget Gore. I'm not heading down that road again.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

23. So he'll stil be younger that Reagan was

[JPace]

25. Kerry is age 60 now.

[cubsfan forever]

55. Actually, he is 60 now

so he would be 64; yes he would be younger than Reagan and in much better health.

Professor 2

[jayschool]

30. Not John Kerry, BOB Kerrey

A Heartland Moderate and a war hero. How could the GOP possibly find anything wrong with that?

Karl?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

50. Given what McCain went through

some Rove surrogate will try to smear Bob Kerrey also.

[RamboLiberal]

65. They'll trot out SEAL veterans for Truth

There's baggage in Kerrey's Vietnam service and we'll be fighting that damn war again. Just a quick Google brings up stuff like this.

By now everybody knows that former Senator Bob Kerrey led a seven-member team of Navy Seals into Thanh Phong village in February 1969, and murdered in cold blood more than a dozen women and children.

What hardly anyone knows, and what no one in the press is talking about (although many of them know), is that Kerrey was on a CIA mission, and its specific purpose was to kill those women and children. It was illegal, premeditated mass murder and it was a war crime.

And it's time to hold the CIA responsible. It's time for a war crimes tribunal to examine the CIA's illegal activities during and since the Vietnam War.

http://www.counterpunch.org/valentine.html

[cubsfan forever]

56. Possible. He's also a Vietnam veteran

and former hockey player. Interesting...

Professor 2

[WI_DEM]

4. Not Clinton and Not Edwards

They will not win.

[ronnykmarshall]

72. I agree

With Elizabeth Edwards health in question right now as well as President Clinton's, I don't see either one running in 2008.

Hillary has got to run in 2006 first.

I don't think she really want to put her family or herself through the shit that will be done to them.

[Tummler]

6. Four years is a long time for Wes Clark to learn the political game

Gore states + NH + Arkansas = victory.

[Eurobabe]

18. i snagged wesclark2008.com today!

that's the only thing that will make this heinous feeling go away...

[President Jesus]

43. I think Clark is an early favorite.

He's got time to build an organization and hone his skills.

I'm afraid Bayh is going to run, but this guy could not even hold Gore's or Kerry's shorts IMHO. He's a big zero.

It's really too bad about Kerry. I truly think he would hav been a good one. Who knows, maybe he can make the case again.

[Sparkly]

90. The General! The General! The General!!!!

:bounce:

[Kukesa]

92. Yes sir! I request permission to come aboard. n/t

[carolinalady]

8. I think they ought to look at Mike Easley, gov-NC

won re-election in this very red state that should say something

[MidwestTransplant]

10. YES he or Vilsak from Iowa

[Toronto Ron]

14. Forget Easley

While he has done some good things, he's far too conservative. For example, he's a death penalty nut (one of my pet peeves). I would trade his victory for Bowles to have won, in a heartbeat.

[carolinalady]

19. well if we wanna win the south we got to embrace some

of their values. Bottom line. Clinton won because he was moderate. The majority of this country is moderate. If you only play with the hard left you will not win.

[Toronto Ron]

36. Fuck the South

The (Deep) South needs to come to the Dems, as it were; not vice versa. There are plenty of other states that can be picked off. We don't need to turn "hard left".

[President Jesus]

41. A-FUCKING-MEN

A-FUCKING-MEN
A-FUCKING-MEN
A-FUCKING-MEN
A-FUCKING-MEN
A-FUCKING-MEN
A-FUCKING-MEN

We can and should win more midwestern states (Ohio, West Virginia, Missouri) and we should concentrate on the southwest (Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, and MAYBE Arizona).

F U C K the south. That is beyond a lost cause.

[AP]

42. Is she pretty?

[Toronto Ron]

51. Actually...

yes she is (my wife is from TN :P )

[AP]

57. Does she have a sister?

[wjsander]

95. Let's not pander to states that ban gay marriage and EVOLUTION!

Wal-mart dumbfucks.

[President Jesus]

44. if you think Clinton appealed to Southern culture warriors...

...you've got to be smoking something. ( I wish I were there smokin' it with you.)

[carolinalady]

47. lol-- I wish--too old (w/teens--they will never know)

;-)

[surfermaw]

60. Mike Easley didn't do any thing special

North Carolina usually elects a democrat for Governor, remember Jim Hunt.

[Born Free]

9. No democratic candidate can win

The righ wing has taken complete control, willing to do anything and the democrats have alllowed they to confirm this once again. 2008 will be no different, regardless of the candidate. Reason has been replaced with blind faith nationalism. Kerry validated the right wing beliefs that democrats give up too easily, unwilling to fight for what they believe in, unwilling to fight for America.

[Comicstripper]

75. Oh shut up

We had twelve years of Conservative (then Moderate) rule, then Clinton came along. So, no, we're not doomed. We lost an election.
Let me repeat this:
THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE HAS GOTTEN MORE VOTES THAN THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IN 3 OF THE LAST 4 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. WE ARE NOT EXACTLY A LOSING PARTY.
This is the first election they've won since 1988....we're a successful party...

[leetrisck]

11. Why any one of them? Maybe one of us

should do it.

[Bjornsdotter]

12. Frist???

...the cat killer?

Just when I thought my day couldn't get worse.

Kim :mad:

[DarthDem]

15. He's Unelectable

Don't worry about Catkiller. Zero charisma, and suffers from Senator Disease. We need to be looking at a governor, incidentally. Mark Warner, anyone? I hate to say this because I really like Edwards, but Warner would have made a better pick.

[ima_sinnic]

31. "UNELECTABLE" ??

what the #%(*& does that MEAN, anyway?
I am NOT commenting on the particular candidate, I am talking about the word. That word makes me feel violent. Kerry was forced on us because he was "electable." The word has NO VALIDITY, it is just another kind of con. The next person who tries to tell me someone is "electable" is going in my "ignore" file.

[MattBaggins]

37. You sir, are unelectable NT

[Dork]

49. catkiller?

Sorry, I haven't been paying attention, I guess. I like cats and I don't like Frist, what makes him a catkiller though?

[4_Legs_Good]

13. I think we need to get back to running Governors

The last Senator to win was JFK. He was the last of a lot of things.

Governors win, and they don't have the complex voting issues to worry about - you know the ones most people are too stupid to understand so the fuckers running against them can twist them all around and make the candidates look like liberal flip-floppers

GAWD I'M STILL SOOOOOO PISSED!!!

david

[Steelangel]

17. I wouldn't mind to have Edwards again but Kerry or Hillary Clinton? no

and well, that IF america is still america in 2008

[Kimber Scott]

20. I vote for Clinton. But, then what do I know? I voted for Gore and Kerry.

[StupidFOX]

21. Obama got everybody excited.

Maybe a Dean-Obama ticket?

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

22. Seems to me

we need someone from the south.

[Prodemsouth]

58. I use to argue the same thing - I was wrong, I am a southerner and I agree

with the poster that said that the South is a lost cause. I think Gep Would have carried Missouri, Iowa would have been stronger with that Governor as Kerry's running mate.
Edwards could not carry his own state.

[surfermaw]

61. There is not one democrat in the state that could carry N.C

This state votes Democratic fro Governor and the state, on the Federal side the vote re publican...no one could have made them vote for Edwards...the east has many conservative democrats, but I think they are old dixiecrats that never changed their registration.

[fugop]

24. Moderates be damned

I think Arnold and Rudy can give up any hopes right now on the GOP side. If the right realizes that they gained all this power through the force of the fundie vote, woe be to any moderates on either side. Frankly, before last night, I was sure that if Bill Clinton was running, he would have killed Bush. Now I'm not sure even he could have won, what with the bimbo rumors that dogged him before his election.

Until the moderate Repubs are willing to fight to get their party back, I think the extremists will rule. Arnie and Rudy will regret the day they threw in with these bastards, because they're getting nothing back for it until the fundies are sent packing.

[PATRICK]

29. too long away

Most of the stars you put up now won't fly later. Just past experience. Cuomo the great undecider. Fell for the meme without even running. No Messiahs. Groundwork. That's what the Repug cons did!

Fund raising. MoveOn is just a start. Real party building if the DLC and DNC are not quite relevant. Raising up new people, not the DLC approved and brainwashed ones with the built in handicap. Raising a lot of local candidates. Taking over the SOS positions, the states that are rigged where possible. Getting a fair and COMPETENT(that would a novelty)national news source. Exclude lying demagogues. Enlist the aid of the major religions and Churches who just want to be out from under the Fundy Taliban. Build a coalition in all these areas. Take power for the people.

A lot of the RW coup was democratic roots work and fundraising from the little guy. They jumped with the big power and the stars of course because they finally discovered they never would be the majority or even serve the majority. Convenient and ruthless.

Dean can build this type of real power while the Dems can hang on with their tattered, befuddled machine. Perhaps we can make a better effort not to sell out like the other side, but the issues will have to be flexible, not red meat bait that causes infighting in the coalition.

Screw the establishment elites, the old cloth of the party. Be new.
Plan for a real future taking into consideration the terrible obstacles to democracy and fair national forums we now face unnamed, unchallenged. That's to do while the world burns. Between Goldwater and Reagan it took 20 years, screw the Bush contribution. A draft would give us some of that famous red anger.

[The Sushi Bandit]

32. DENNIS KUCINICH FOR PRESIDENT!

THE PROGRESSIVES CHOICE!

[dogman]

33. Good night John-boy

Let us rest in peace. Why relive that nightmare?

[CANDO]

34. What about Gov. Rendell of PA?

He would have to make it through re-election in PA first, but would then be in a strong position.

[sweetladybug]

38. Well this is the last time that I will be out helping ANYONE with winning

an election. I've wasted enough time and money. NEVER AGAIN

[President Jesus]

45. good for you. as long as you vote, that's all that matters.

i think a ton of this campaigning is chump's work, to be honest.

[Barkley]

39. We Gotta Change the Chair of the DNC 1rst -- I nominate H. Dean!

It's pretty apparent that the accommodationist approach is not working; it didn't work in the midterm elections of 2002 either.

We need to think about 2006 before 2008.

And we won't win in either year with the same approach.

Howard Dean has a movement with lots of energy, new ideas and committed people that Democratic Party leadership despirately needs.

[surfermaw]

62. Rebuilding the party with

Young good looking men, take a look at the republican candidates, they have that up on us, they are trying to bring in good looking fairly good size men for the future. I like Edwards, and don't think he is finished, but from the start I thought he was a little small, and Kerry was a little too tall...Clinton you didn't much see his size once he started to communicate, he just had the gift of gab.

[Weembo]

40. 1460 days left

Start making your lists

[NovaCat]

48. Clark/Obama

2008

[candy331]

52. Obama and Dean in 08 if there is one. May the wimp Dems in

office now please resign and go home, you have no power the US gov't is in the hands of radicals and you have no power and are useless so let them bring the country to it's knees so people can wake up.

[Comicstripper]

76. The GOP would bill that ticket as:

"The ticket with NO experience."
And they'd be right. If Clark wanted to run (which he should) he should run for Governor or Senator first (and win). Then he could run in '08 mostly as a general, but with political experience to fall back on. Obama is our secret weapon, and we have to wait until at the VERY LEAST 2012, and probably 2016.

[Divo]

53. Takeover the Media

It's obvious that the right wing media is just another part of the Republican political machine. It's time the Democrats work to have at least an equal amount of control of it as much as possible. It could take longer than 4 years. We need that voice out there for balance. If all the American people can hear are the same voices they heard through this campaign we will never have a chance.

[Terran]

54. Frist? Riiight.

That creepy limp-wristed effeminate looking creature? Highly doubtful. The people want Ahnuld!

[goforit]

59. Dream on guys.

[sleipnir]

63. Edwards pretty much ended his political career last night.

He's done on the national stage. He lost the most important election and there's no way I'm forgetting that fact and neither are millions of Dems and soon-to-be 3rd party people.

[TolDem]

83. Why not Edwards?

Someone with little time in elected office. It seemed to work for * in 2000. And Edwards is much more of a natural politician....

[StevieM]

91. I also think the Republicans will nominate George Allen....

Guiliani is pro-choice, so I can't see him winning (though I could be wrong). Frist is incredibly boring, he makes Gore, Bradley and Kerry look like rock stars. And the far right tends to be very active in these primaries. So that bodes well for Allen.

I think we could beat Allen, jerk that he is, but the thought of what an Allen campaign--run by Ralph Reed--would do to America is absolutely frightening to me.

Steve

[wiley]

64. Warner/Bayh 2008

Although I love both Clark and Kucinich, they will both be needed in the cabinet. But let's start working on 2006. Who is going to be a poll monitor?

:hangover:

[davidinalameda]

73. Warner/Bayh?????

might as well vote Repuke

I will NEVER support a candidate that will not support me

[Comicstripper]

77. I'd say switch those names...

Bayh/Warner, just because Bayh is more experienced, has served as both a Governor and a senator from a midwestern state(whereas Warner's governorship is limited to one term; he'll have to run for senate. Maybe he can replace that twit George Allen.)
And I think Bayh is more liberal than you think, but he has a moderate record and is a very attractive candidate to moderates. Look to him in 2008. Warner would need a senate seat before he could occupy a ticket.

[Birthmark]

66. I don't know if I can vote for any of them.

Right now I feel like they'll quit at the drop of a hat. I also think that the voting system in this country is so severely compromised that my vote won't be counted...unless I agree with the computer programmer.

Maybe I'll feel different tomorrow or in a few days...maybe not.

[American Tragedy]

67. Has Hillary ever actually said she's interested in the presidency

Or is this another case of the media presenting a fantasy and a stereotype as news?

[Kukesa]

93. Ask Rush and Sean - they're the ones perpetuating this myth. n/t

[0rganism]

68. Clark/Dean appeals to me

But there's a whole lot of shit to shovel before we even start thinking about the next national election. Straight up, we need a strategy for taking some senate seats in 2006.

[high density]

69. John Edwards again?

And Clinton? Is the media trying set up a loss for us already in 2008? They already hyped Edwards up like no tomorrow for the VP slot with lots of questionable polls.

[Princess Buttercup]

70. No more northeasterners

Sorry. We need midwesterners or southerners. Is Bill Richardson interested in running? Put him with Mary Landrieu as running mate and that would cover a lot of bases and turn some red states blue. But what do I know? I've only voted against * four times now.

[Free2BMe]

78. Clinton/Obama...ticket

[WatchWhatISay]

79. NO, NO, and NO.

Thanks anyway.

[reality based]

81. Senator Kerry

was a good campaigner. It took a pack of lies carried by compliant media (and perhaps some vote fraud) to defeat him. The continued revelations about those lies should build up considerable sympathy for him and immunize him from further damage from them. If he will take the lead in opposing Bush initiatives and in giving voice to a Democratic philosophy, I am one Texan prepared to support his renomination in 2008. No southern strategy for me. In fact in retrospect I think Bill Richardson should have been the VP nominee. I thought Edwards could do some heavy lifting in Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, Missouri and West Virginia but that didn't seem to happen.

[hughee99]

82. Call it a hunch, but IMHO

None of these people will be on the 2008 ticket.

[yo-yo-ma]

84. This "countdown" is just another stupid media horse race

Forcing attention onto a quite distant future
Taking attention away from what just happened here

By participating in it we are saying, "the system works, it's going to keep working"

It's like an imaginary political celebrity home coming - a dream team Madden nonsense.

Don't get sucked into this.

[Bread and Circus]

85. Fuck that shit....I'm not voting for Edwards or Hillary.

No fuckin' way.

[StevieM]

86. Has anyone thought about these two liberal possibilities I'm about to list

1) Russ Feingold. He's a great Senator and he tells the truth. Also very charismatic IMO. Supports health care for everyone--he was in favor of Wellstone's single-payer bill back in the mid-90s.

2) Martin O'Malley. Yes, I know he's inexperienced, but who the hell cares, I'll take someone with the right ideas over the status quo in a second. Like Guiliani he is a mayor, so it will be hard to say that he lacks the same qualifications as the civil rights violator from NYC. Perhaps I am biased here....O'Malley is an old Gary Hart ally, and I am a long-time supporter of Hart. But I think Martin O'Malley has the look of a president and I would like to see him run (and I know I am about to get 15 posts mocking the idea, LOL).

Steve

[StevieM]

87. Bumping, I'd like to hear more thoughts about '08 possibilities (eom)

x

[msongs]

88. the 2008 evote machines are already rigged for the repubs. eom

[noamnety]

89. I want Edwards

I want him working on the voter fraud. Once his seat runs out, he could help us a huge amount by putting those lawyer skills to work on that, and he would get media attention for it because he's popular. I honestly think that's the absolute best thing he could do for us in 2005. (If he's not too mad at America to help us, that is - which would be totally understandable.)

[liwkenne]

94. Who cares about 2008?

The damage Bush and his minions can do in the next 4 years is nearly incalculable, and you are merrily gossiping about 2008? No wonder we lost.

[JCMach1]

96. it will be JEBtm I am afraid

bank on it...