Bush now says yes to civil unions, GOP's official platform is wrong

[Tab]

But in his interview with Gibson, he said, "I don't think we should deny people rights to a civil union, a legal arrangement, if that's when a state chooses to do so."

The comment seems to contradict his support for federal legislation that has sought to ban both same-sex marriage and civil unions, and aligns him more closely with comments by Vice President Dick Cheney, who has said he thinks states should be allowed to offer civil unions.

Referring to the Republican party platform, which says Republicans "believe that neither federal nor state judges and bureaucrats should force states to recognize other living arrangements as equivalent to marriage," Gibson asked Bush whether the Republican platform "on that point, as far as you are concerned, is wrong."

"Right," said President Bush.

Flip... flop?

http://www.baywindows.com/news/2004/10/28/NationalNews/If.The.FlipFlops.Fit-783698.shtml

[fertilizeonarbusto]

1. OK, folks

they are officially desperate.

[Noxmtbnk]

4. That was my immediate reaction.

I sent this to a bunch of people...

[Nicholas_J]

22. They are unrealistically too sure of their evangelical base.

Though several polls show that their support among evengelicals has dropped by about 15 percent. Evangelicals are unlikely to vote for Kerry, but they are likely to NOT VOTE if they are concerend about Bush.

[Krupskaya]

2. Bwaaaak!

Flip-flop! Flip-flop! Bwaaak! Flip-flop!

[Tab]

3. What I can't figure out

... is after four years of gay bashing, who's going to believe them on this?

[fjc]

5. Bull.

It's easy for him to say now. His base ain't goin away because if he wins, he don't have to do squat about this.

[KansDem]

15. This may hurt his base...

I recently heard a report on the radio (NPR?) that Bush lost a considerable number of Fundies when the DUI story broke during the 2000 campaign. The report stated that these people, anguished at hearing about the DUI, decided to stay home on election day...

Personally, I thought this story was pure bullcrap, but, having said that, if the Fundies (and the Freepers) hear Bush stating that he believes the GOP platform on same-sex unions is wrong, it may have a much greater impact than the DUI story, and we may very well see F&Fs staying home.

on edit: I really don't know what he stands to gain from this: the F&Fs will be confused and angry and the gay-rights supporters won't believe he's sincere...

[spanone]

6. Promise, say, do ANYTHING TO GET RESELECTED.

[demokatgurrl]

7. pander pander pander kiss kiss kiss n/t

[patricia92243]

8. What are the Freepers saying about this? This is a HUGE thing for his

base to hear. Wish we could get real news coverage on it. Oh well, if we really had a media......

[maddezmom]

12. it got alot of coverage DU Link:Bush On Homosexuality And Same Sex Marria

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=931588

[maddezmom]

13. and another: Bush Stance on Civil Unions Upsets Groups

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=934169

[mazzarro]

9. There he goes again - say anything and do anything for political

expediency. Now he wants to wangle some support from group he has despised only recently. Well, let's see if the shrill fundamentalist wing of the reThuglican party will allow him. Damn! what am I thinking - they will allow him to do anything to keep power in their camp anyway!

[Wapsie B]

10. This cannot be making

the konservative fundie base very happy at all. I realize that a lot of their relationship is out of necessity. They'd rather cut deals and be part of the gop rather than be relegated to a third party. But this move may be going WAY too far for the rank and file blasphemers of the right wing

[VegasWolf]

11. Chimp has gone awol from the right wing fanatics!

New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional

[The Chronicler]

14. Yes to civil unions, no to labor unions.

douche bags

[fryguy]

16. is this the "flip" or the "flop"?

i'm loosing track of the "course corrections" the president with steadfast leadership is making...

[Tab]

17. "course corrections"

They're more like coarse corrections, if you ask me...

[cubsfan forever]

19. I'm dizzy, too

Bunker Boy is a little coward who is completely out of touch and out of control.He makes me sick!

Professor 2

[MADem]

18. TIME TO UN-TRIANGULATE THIS ISSUE

If you know a fundie who is voting for weecowboy strictly BECAUSE he advocates the hateful discrimination of a segment of our population, I would urge you, most strongly, to send this story to them with minimal comment. Get the word out there, and let them make up their own small minds. I doubt any of them will vote for Kerry, but they may vote for that "God Family Country" Peroutka guy, or maybe just stay home.

Bush seems to be doing a great job suppressing the vote--problem is, the ninny is supressing his own voters.

So, if you know someone like that, send them the article, and this link, too http://www.peroutka2004.com/

Hey, it is all about choice, and if they can't vote for our guy, so long as they don't choose the weecowboy, it's all good....

[cubsfan forever]

20. Thanks for the info! n/t

Professor 2

[Neshanic]

21. Does Ralp Reed have a boyfriend? As Al would say, Flippity, Floppity.

[NashVegas]

23. FLIP FLOP

Had to be said.

[Iceburg]

24. Oh..oh .... Karl just did the math .... seems he misunderestimated

the sphere of influence. Never piss off someone's grandma, grandpa, father, mother, sister or brother ... blood is thicker than political hate propaganda.

[Tab]

25. I think it's higher than that...

That just does "self-identified". I thought the GL population in the States was estimated to be more like 15%

Grandparents would be lower, though - can't assume grandparents are alive

[Iceburg]

26. Its definitely higher, I agree ... the self identified figure comes from

the now defunct Votenet http://www.usavotenet.com/turnout.htm#

10-15 % -- that's what my internal polls say

And true enough, grand parents may not be alive ... but I figure the close 2nd cousins cancel them out.

On a personal note if I was to use my family by example, Karl's maneuvre would have pissed off 203 (aunts, uncles, cousins, sisters, brothers, neices, in-laws, etc...not to mention straight friends)

What Karl failed to understand is that homosexulality is not confined to a closed box -- it crosses all cultures, all religions, all geographic areas, all income classes, all races. He really should get "out" more often.

[Skittles]

27. honestly, I don't think Bush cares about gays one way or the other

I really don't. He's in the position of trying to please everyone and comes off displeasing everyone.

[Dr Fate]

28. FLIPPITY-FLOPPITY. When is Wolf Blitzer going to call him a flip flopper?

He had no trouble using that word in the same sentence w/ Kerry.

[Sara Beverley]

29. So, has FOX news been reporting on this? I don' t watch them.

This story was swept under the carpet as quicly as the Pat Robertson story. It seems that ill reports concerning those "hot button issues" are not as news worthy comments by Ms. Kerry.