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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 05:05 PM
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The Race is On
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6159637/site/newsweek /

The Race is On
With voters widely viewing Kerry as the debates winner, Bushs lead in the NEWSWEEK poll has evaporated

Ron Edmonds / AP
The face of frustration?: Bush on debate night
WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Brian Braiker
Newsweek
Updated: 5:56 p.m. ET Oct. 2, 2004Oct. 2 - With a solid majority of voters concluding that John Kerry outperformed George W. Bush in the first presidential debate on Thursday, the presidents lead in the race for the White House has vanished, according to the latest NEWSWEEK poll. In the first national telephone poll using a fresh sample, NEWSWEEK found the race now statistically tied among all registered voters, 47 percent of whom say they would vote for Kerry and 45 percent for George W. Bush in a three-way race.

Removing Independent candidate Ralph Nader, who draws 2 percent of the vote, widens the Kerry-Edwards lead to three points with 49 percent of the vote versus the incumbents 46 percent. Four weeks ago the Republican ticket, coming out of a successful convention in New York, enjoyed an 11-point lead over Kerry-Edwards with Bush pulling 52 percent of the vote and the challenger just 41 percent.<snip>

Kerrys perceived victory may be attributed to the fact that, by a wide margin (62 percent to 26 percent), debate watchers felt the senator came across as more confident than the president. More than half (56 percent) also see Kerry has having a better command of the facts than Bush (37 percent). As a result, the challengers favorability ratings (52 percent, versus 40 percent unfavorable) are better than Bushs, who at 49 percent (and 46 percent unfavorable), has dipped below the halfway mark for the first time since July. Kerry, typically characterized as aloof and out of touch by his opponents, came across as more personally likeable than Bush (47 percent to the presidents 41 percent).

In fact, Kerrys numbers have improved across the board, while Bushs vulnerabilities have become more pronounced. The senator is seen as more intelligent and well-informed (80 percent, up six points over last month, compared to Bushs steady 59 percent); as having strong leadership skills (56 percent, also up 6 points, but still less than Bushs 62 percent) and as someone who can be trusted to make the right calls in an international crisis (51 percent, up five points and tied with Bush).

Meanwhile, Bushs approval ratings have dropped to below the halfway mark (46 percent) for the first time since the GOP convention in late August. Nearly half of all voters (48 percent) say they do not want to see Bush re-elected, while 46 percent say they do. Still, a majority of voters (55 percent versus 29 percent) believe the president will be re-hired on Nov. 2. <snip>

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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 05:07 PM
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1. i can't stand it when i see this...
Still, a majority of voters (55 percent versus 29 percent) believe the president will be re-hired on Nov. 2.

:eyes:
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skylarmae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 05:09 PM
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2. It makes me sick - literally -
There can be nothing but victory for us 11/2 -
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 05:34 PM
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6. Don't worry

That too shall pass....
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 06:49 PM
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15. Cute question
Most Dems are quite aware of the crooked edge and the propaganda flood and are bitter and pessimistic- NOT going to vote for Bush. This weak life preserver will not float.

The wonder of these polls is that the moment is still too early for a professional estimation of the effect of the debate. They want to put the debate results quickly behind and let silence descend so Bush can engineer a comeback without using the word.

I doubt he can. Most of his reservoirs are getting tapped out. I hope the Kerry people keep remembering this is not just a conventional campaign. This is precisely why people are glumly thinking Bush will win- not because of any intent to vote for the blankety-blank fraud.

Yet now most of the nation have positive, comforting, inspiring reasons to vote for Kerry. It is all looking very good and WE never said a campaign against America's worst President ever would be a cakewalk. We are going in with everything we got and then some and this time with the support of all humanity.
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 06:54 PM
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17. Shows how STUPID they think the masses are...
:eyes:
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citoyen Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 07:48 PM
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22. Good starting point, though. People being so beaten down
allows room for a revolution of rising expectations. This will be a momentum election, just like 1980.
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Jasper 91 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 09:22 AM
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25. It shows how successful all the brainwashing has been .
Edited on Sun Oct-03-04 09:23 AM by Delightful
Unfortunately , no-one can deny that the Repugs are the best at putting out propaganda , especially when being ably assisted by skewed polls which oversample Repugs . If they say something enough times , people come to believe that what they are saying must be true and that it is inevitable that Bush will win .

Well it is not inevitable . Remember this :

Gore won the popular vote in 2000 .
There are numerous reports of known Republicans switching their allegience to Kerry this time .
There are no equal reports of Democrats switching to Bush . Zell Miller excepted . ;-)
Democrats are out-registering new voters , in some areas by as much as 10 to 1 .
Bush is the most unpopular President in living memory , both at home and abroad . Check this out too .
http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=V...

Surely we should be asking ourselves , how anyone could think Bush would win ? It goes against all the evidence out there .

Be positive and spread the word . Kerry in a landslide . :toast:
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 05:09 PM
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3. Ah, the famous "web exclusive"
How come they never put this stuff in the print issue, which is read by FAR MORE people. Especially that photo! It's priceless!

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 05:10 PM
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4. It is a great photo!
:-)
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bigpathpaul Donating Member (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 05:15 PM
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5. More photos. Inspired by DNC's "Faces" Video. Please download.
I've just completed a new set of ads relating to George Bush's apathetic performance in the first debate, where he should have been focused on making us feel safe, but instead showed us just how out-of-touch and lacking in credibility he really is.

I think it's fair and necessary to challenge the administration on these concepts at this exact point in time. I think the president's performance in the debate created a sense of doubt, even in voters who may thought they'd made up their minds to support Bush.



The versions shown above are reduced-size, low-resolution versions. Full-size versions can be downloaded from http://bigpath.net/politics/Voting/VotingStart.html
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 05:48 PM
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7. Excellent :-)
:-)
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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 05:59 PM
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9. *KICK*
n/t
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 08:12 PM
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23. Now thats what I call Aloft.
What is he on?
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 05:49 PM
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8. Kick
:kick:
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 06:02 PM
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10. I Smell A Terror Alert Coming
It's getting mighty orange around here.
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bigpathpaul Donating Member (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 06:42 PM
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12. Yeah. It's taking them awhile. Is Ridge still in the gov't? n/t
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 06:41 PM
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11. graphed it
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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 06:45 PM
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13. ?
"Still, a majority of voters (55 percent versus 29 percent) believe the president will be re-hired on Nov. 2."


You must be pretty negative. YOu look at those awesome numbers and this is what grabs you most?

Kerry took away Bush's leadership edge in the polls.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 06:48 PM
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14. I wonder what the margin among likely voters is (n/t)
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 06:52 PM
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16. Bring the REST of the debates on!!!
:kick:
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 07:07 PM
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18. Reuters link
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 07:17 PM
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19. Remember that Gore was down in the polls at this point
And still won. This is going to be an out and out landslide!
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 07:22 PM
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20. What this means is that Kerry is ahead by nine points
if you figure in the 'curve' that these big-assed media types have instituted against the next President.

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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 07:46 PM
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21. Nobody trusts these bastards not to steal the election.
55% vs 29% believe Bush will be re-elected, even though he is behind in the rest of the poll. Hmmmmm.....?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 03:23 AM
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24. NOTE: Kerry more "likeable"!
"Kerry, typically characterized as aloof and out of touch by his opponents, came across as more personally likeable than Bush (47 percent to the presidents 41 percent)."
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 11:18 PM
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26. This election is a lot like buying a used car...
...from a shady dealership.

The car looks great sitting on the lot, but once you lift the hood, kick the tires, and test drive it you realize what a clunker it is.

The debates are like this; the public is finally getting to test- drive the president and they realize that he is a high-mileage, clapped out retread with sawdust in the crankcase.

These debates are manna from heaven for Kerry and Edwards. For the first time in this campaign, I am becoming genuinely enthused about the prospect of voting for Kerry. He showed real leadership potential Friday night.

You don't have to be gold-plated if your competition is a steaming heap of dog shit. Illiterate dog shit, at that.
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