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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 08:44 PM
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Bush speech drops 'turning the corner'
WASHINGTON (CNN)


President Bush has apparently turned a corner in his use of what had been a popular refrain in recent campaign stump speeches.

Shortly after the Democratic National Convention in Boston, Bush hit the campaign trail to express his optimism about the country's future.

"Turning the corner" was his phrase of choice. At the time, campaign aides had highlighted the phrase as part of Bush's late summer message. ..

"This is going to go down in the same lines as 'mission accomplished' -- something that seemed like a good idea at the time but in retrospect they realized it was a mistake," said DNC spokesman Jano Cabrera.

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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 08:46 PM
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1. Hmmm...same as his "I'm a war president" line.
What an idiot.

Bush MUST GO!!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 08:49 PM
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4. And "Bring it on"
He's got miserable failure disease.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 08:50 PM
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6. And "The rich are smart enough to know how to dodge taxes".
I heard the byte on Malloy last night.
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 02:17 PM
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36. MFD--Amen to that! n/t
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:31 PM
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14. And "Results Matter"....

Sid
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 08:46 PM
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2. I've got a new slogan for them!
"Around the bend"...that certainly fits! :-)
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 08:52 AM
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28. How about 'Soon to be Unemployed' ??
I'd like to see THAT alongside Georgie's name on the campaign trail !


:)
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 08:46 PM
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3. Here come the torrent of "trying to define himself" articles
And the in-depth "seeks to find his footing" pieces?

I won't hold my breath, k?
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JM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 08:49 PM
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5. Took them long enough to realize that the economy turned...
...the corner, was promptly T-Boned by a Humvee at the intersection, and was pronounced DOA.

JM
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 08:53 PM
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7. How about...
...over the edge?

...off the deep end?

...round the bend and into the ditch (as Carville says)?

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 08:58 PM
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8. Did ya notice Bush came out with a new agenda, positive and far reaching?
It is evident the midnight WH Crew had to think of something and so they went to.......

...............................Plans R US.


They went to Plans R US, open 24/7, down at the Mall next to the big tree and bought a whole bunch from the discount section.

Poor Bush, got had once more, those plans he bought are LAME
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CookieD Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:00 PM
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10. "We're looking for new ways to harm our country" ...
Oh wait. That wasn't a slogan. :shrug:

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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 10:17 AM
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34. No that's Bushes mantra
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 08:59 PM
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9. And Who Can Forget... "Sovereignty is when you're sovereign".
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:30 PM
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13. What an embarrassing fool he is.
(Allen, does the cover of the magazine in your sig mean that we are now at "7 minutes to midnight"? Yikes. And speaking of things atomic, I just read a book about the nuclear tests of the forties and the fifties, and there was a section about the filming of "The Conqueror", which starred John Wayne, Susan Heyward and Agnes Moorehead. The filming was done in the Utah desert, in the radioactive sand, and all four of the stars died of cancer. I thought of you and your sig pics when I read it, tragic deaths.)
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:38 PM
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16. Kool Kitty: Yes We're At Seven Minutes To Midnight
it was last moved in 2002 from 9 to 7.

Agnes Moorehead was only 74 years old when she died of lung cancer. I didn't know about the exposure though, that's interesting. I had heard she was a heavy smoker. Maybe I heard wrong... or it could have been the combination that did her in.

She was a treasure!!


-- Allen
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:46 PM
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17. Yes, she was a heavy smoker, and so was John Wayne.
I think the reason in was mentioned in the book is that all four of the leads died (I can't remember the other male star, I saw this film about a hundred years ago in my youth), and of the approximately 200 persons in the crew, over one hundred of them contracted cancer. And they kept having to reshoot scenes because they had trouble with the film. Strange happenings.

She was terrific. :)
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 11:36 PM
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43. And don't forget you have sovereigninies."Whatever that is!"
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:17 PM
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11. How about, I'm the flop-flip president
eom
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POed_Ex_Repub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:29 PM
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12. This is what happens when...
they try to make sound bytes and gimmicks replace real issues and policies.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:34 PM
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15. I guess Reichmarshall Rove got tired of the bad news
and went back to bashing Kerry.
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:53 PM
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18. It was stupid to begin with (big surprise) because
it is an outright admission of failure. In effect they're saying "yeah, we know everything has sucked for the past three-and-a-half years, but you need to vote for us because we'll do it right next time. Honest!"

Of course none of the bad things are ever their fault, but it's still a remarkably weak stand for this "he-man" administration to take and it flies in the face of their three-plus years of glib assertions that everything was just peachykeen and that the economy, which has supposedly been on the verge of "turning around" for about two years now, was ready to take off. If they had been forthright about these problems from the beginning they might have done better with that line now, but under the circumstances they've merely proven to everyone but the Republikämpfer that they're completely out of touch.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:59 PM
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19. Bush is no Hoover.... not even in the same league
Duluth News-Tribune Sunday April 18, 1934

$7.5 Billion Deficit Eyed by Hoover

WASHINGTON, April 17 (AP)
Former President Herbert Hoover warned today that next year's federal budget deficit may reach "71/2 billion dollars or more." Pleading for a halt to tax cutting for the present and stronger efforts at cost-cutting, Hoover told the American Society of Newspaper Editors that "the disciples of more spending and still lower taxes are having their way."
His remarks were aimed in part at "pressure groups" seeking large expenditures and demands in Congress for further big tax cuts.
The former president warned that the potential deficit; 2 1/2 times as great as the official forecast of the Eisenhower administration reflects an inflationary policy which is "the surest road to disaster in our society of free men."
"It is the surest road to disaster in our defense against the Communist horde, he added.
In an address' prepared for a banquet ending the editors' three day meeting here, Hoover said newspapers must preach patience to the states, cities and pressure groups who bombard Washington with appeals for "handouts."
Hoover promised that, if postponable outlays can be deferred for a while, his Commission on government Reorganization will be able to report within a few months on methods of saving five to seven billion dollars of government spending annually.
But he painted a bleak picture of current progress of the Eisenhower administration's effort to redeem its pledge of balancing the budget. "It is already clear that the deficit for this fiscal year ending 76 days hence will be larger than the budget estimate (of $3,300,000,000)" the Republican elder statesman said.
"For next year instead of a $2,900,000,000 deficit, it will rise to a minimum of five billion dollars. And if the George amendment (to increase personal income tax exemptions) passes the deficit may rise to 7 1/2 billion dollars or possibly more."
This does not take into account what Congress may do in appropriating funds, Hoover said, "if the demands of pressure groups have their sweet way the situation will be even worse - some people, have expressed the horrid thought it will reach nine billion dollars."
Whereas the "handout philosophy" at one time was "tax and tax, spend and spend," Hoover said the refrain is now "cut taxes, cut taxes" but the spend-and-spend philosophy lives on.
"The immediate medication is no further reduction of taxes than the administration proposals, and to systematically reduce government expenditures until the budget deficit is met," Hoover declared. "Then and then alone, can inflation be stopped;"
With a little patience, he went on, defense costs can be reduced by taking advantage of new weapons and methods of warfare. There is hope in this field, he said, because "the New Looks by the Eisenhower administration gaze in these directions." But he added "Let there be no mistake, we must have full defense."
The white-haired former President also saw prospects for betterment of government financing in the expanding frontiers of science and invention which, he said, are boosting productivity and will increase the federal revenues.
Hoover advised the editors not to believe that inflation has been stopped. "It will continue as long as we have a deficit," he said. He pointed out that a family now requires an income of $3,700 a year to achieve a living standard that
a $1,500 income would buy 23 years ago. The buying power of pensions and savings has been cut in half "amid millions of tragedies,'. he said.

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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 10:11 AM
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32. Sure you got that date right? "Eisenhower Administration"?
This appears to be an article about former president hoover making some criticisms of the Eisenhower administration. That would be the 1950s. It also mentions fighting the "communist hordes" (and you think today's hysteria and propaganda is bad?), which is also a phrase you would tend to hear during the 1950s. I would beleive this with a 1954 dateline, but not 1934.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 08:55 PM
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38. So my OCR software is second rate.. you on the other hand have good eyes!
1954 it is. It was printed the opposite side of a second cousin's obit.

What I thought was interesting about it is Hoover saying that nothing but Tax Cuts, Tax Cuts will not work. Dumbyash!t can't be bothered to read, so I suppose that he will never learn - A mind is a terrible thing to change.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 10:00 PM
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20. They saw the MACK truck barreling down the road
Edited on Wed Aug-11-04 10:08 PM by psychopomp
Decided to turn the corner anyway, just not to tell the People in the back seat.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 10:21 PM
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21. Bush, Sr.: The economy has turned the corner.

Bush, Sr. quotes:

7/16/89
"I've had no indication from home, nor have we picked up any here that they felt that the U.S. economy was going to move towards a recession."

10/ 4/91
"The economy is moving in the right direction."

10/25/91
"I don't want to buy into the predicate about (the U.S. being in) another recession. I don't feel that way."

10/31/91
"The economy's turned the corner, headed for recovery."

11/ 8/91
"I'm not prepared to say we are in a recession."

1/ 4/92
"It will not be a deep recession."

1/15/92
"This economy is in free-fall."
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 10:36 PM
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22. This is the ticket. Mock their stupid, lying slogans and they have to
drop them because they become a joke.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 10:48 PM
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23. why they did drop it: must see cuz this dem ad "we're turning the corner"
Edited on Wed Aug-11-04 11:09 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 10:48 PM
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24. "Hmm... I'll make sure no child is left behind!"
"Oh, wait."
"Okay, I got it: I'm a steady lea--" CRASH!
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 11:09 PM
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25. I'm glad they did drop it
every time I heard it, I thought of that poor toddler in LA that was shot when her dad turned the wrong corner into the middle of a shootout.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 11:10 PM
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26. here's the real reason why they dropped it.......
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 09:09 AM
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30. whoa-that's a great ad, I hadn't seen it. The only colors used are blood
red and bright yellow.

Footage of bush is black and white

The graphs are in bloody red with huge yellow arrows - war and awol immediately came to mind.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 10:17 AM
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33. It really is a good ad
Different enough, no one shouting platitudes and the music is just annoying enough to grab your attention, yet doesn't go on so long that you want to stab something.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 10:20 AM
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35. Beautiful! Thanks for the link
Of course, turn enough corners and you just go around the black...
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 08:51 AM
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27. First, 'results matter', then 'Turn the corner'. Now 'reform' ?
Jeepers, is the Bush team Schizophrenic or what ??

For a day or two they wanted to run on their record (LMAO!)...
Then they decided to distance themselves from that record by
'turning the corner', and now they're totally alienating themselves
from their 'legacy' by talking about reform almost as if they
acknowledge that the past 4 years has been a fiasco ?

They're their own worst enemy !!! I love it !!!
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 09:03 AM
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29. 'Reform Agenda' - apparently they have one, he named it in this ad
They call the ad 'Ownership' but a better name would be 'Reform Agenda,' since bush states that concept in the ad.

http://www.georgewbush.com/

‘Ownership’ recited by George W Bush

One of the most important things about a Reform Agenda is to encourage people to own something.

Own their own home, own their own business, health care plan or own a piece of their retirement.

Reforms that… trust the people.

Reforms that say…government must stand on the side of people.

Because I understand that if you own something you have a vital stake in the future of America.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 11:33 PM
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42. "Ownership" my ass.....what about all the foreclosures in Ohio
I predicted that this would happen last summer when interest rates were at an all time low. And the builders were building shacks left and right. I knew that stupid asses would run out and buy homes they could not and would not ever be able to afford. Now people are loosing their jobs and can't afford those mortgages add to that the interest rates are going up.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 09:12 AM
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31. Next: "Ah know how ta fight this war."
What can they come up with next?
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volosong Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 05:48 PM
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37. "Bush speech drops 'turning the corner'"
We ought to dump Bush and his nuclear waste in Crawford
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 09:04 PM
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39. The only thing I want to hear coming out of *'s mouth is
his concession speech to President-elect Kerry.

Oh, that and 'Yes your honor, I'm guilty of all charges.' :evilgrin:
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 09:59 PM
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40. Herbert Hoover's campaign slogan in 1932 was "Turning the Corner"
Edited on Thu Aug-12-04 09:59 PM by 2004 Victory
I'll bet Karl Rove choked on a pretzel after John Kerry pointed this out. HAhahahahahaha
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 11:19 PM
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41. Thanks for that insight...I knew it couldn't have been an original idea!
Edited on Thu Aug-12-04 11:34 PM by Tight_rope
Bush is such a fake.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:05 AM
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44. Cuz he turned the corner and bumped into a wall.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:53 AM
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45. HOW GEORGE W. BUSH TURNED THE CORNER


That's one helluva corner.
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