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truthisfreedom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 08:33 PM Original message |
'Only nuclear power can now halt global warming' [J. Lovelock, green guru] |
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yowzayowzayowza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
1. Agreed with this for some time... |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. We have used 100 reactors for 30 years, without major problems. |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. It's not just the risk of meltdown or release "incident" -- |
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leesa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Why you send it to Afghanistan and Iraq. No Prob! |
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Tiberius (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 04:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
48. Coal to power a nuclear reactor? |
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treepig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 07:41 AM Response to Reply #22 |
68. you should publish your findings in scientific journals |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. The Canadians, French and Germans |
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LesTalkMoreDo (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 06:28 AM Response to Reply #18 |
34. No safe space? |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 09:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
76. You might want to look into what happened with the Fernald |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 07:20 AM Response to Reply #18 |
36. yeah, let's poison everybody's thyroids |
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belab13 (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
96. The ROI for this highly subsidized industry is deceiving |
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John_H (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. Absolutely. It's a crime that we have any coal or gas plants at all |
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Alerter_ (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
4. as long as the nuclear plants are not "privatized" I have no problem |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
5. Nuclear Waste |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. The nuclear waste problem is easy: make more bombs from it. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Backyard nukes |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 05:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
54. Yeah! "Backyard nukes" |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:44 AM Response to Reply #54 |
81. OMG!!! It's the ultimate barbeque/microwave combo!!!... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
108. Getta gamma grill! |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
6. I agree, except... |
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pop goes the weasel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
25. my uncle would agree with you |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 04:20 AM Response to Reply #6 |
66. agree 100% Massive energy providers should be state owned |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
7. I agree we need more nuclear power to replace |
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Crachet2004 (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 04:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
52. I think it is because Big Oil clandestinely spends Big $$$ to supress |
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treepig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 07:45 AM Response to Reply #52 |
69. great, more coal = more deaths, currently at 30,000/year |
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Crachet2004 (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 02:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
93. Yeah, it's a bummer...but with scrubbers and SCR's tacked on |
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MrPrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
8. 84-year-old radical thinker? |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
9. so, all they had to do was destroy the environment |
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yowzayowzayowza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. We will suck the marrow... |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. i understand it has become pretty close to inevitable, |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
10. Solve the spent fuel problem, and I'll be on board. |
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styersc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. I'm from South Carolina. |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 05:48 AM Response to Reply #10 |
31. I hear ya! |
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ConcernedCanuk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
12. That's crap - there's wind power, solar energy, untapped water power |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. thank you thank you thank you, ConcernedCanuk |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. YES!!!!!!!!!!! |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. EXACTLY!!! thank you for facts! n/t |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 06:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
56. Greenpeace? |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 08:27 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. So? |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. How much power can these sources provide |
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ConcernedCanuk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 10:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. I appreciate the question, but until we DO it, no clear numbers can be had |
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kimchi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:16 AM Response to Reply #28 |
84. Thank you, Concerned Canuk |
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seventhson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 05:44 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Hemp is supposed to be terrific energy source |
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SHRED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 06:20 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Hemp can heal a lot of environmental woes |
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seventhson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 02:35 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. thanks for the links |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 08:49 AM Response to Reply #32 |
72. Thank you, shred, for those links. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 01:50 PM Response to Reply #32 |
92. It Still Has To Be Burned |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Well, hemp would be carbon-neutral |
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SHRED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #97 |
109. 6% solution |
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LesTalkMoreDo (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 06:33 AM Response to Reply #12 |
35. Untapped water power |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Not dams--generators that capture wave energy. |
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LesTalkMoreDo (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 04:14 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Cool! Wind and water power combined |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 05:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
95. Wave energy is NOT environmentally friendly! |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 07:23 AM Response to Reply #12 |
37. Kudos! |
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mmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 02:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
42. You are 100% correct. Nuclear is not the answer. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
49. I'm not saying nuclear is the answer, |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
13. o, btw, there isn't time for nukes to make that difference either. |
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mulethree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 10:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. How long to plan/build a nuke plant? 15 years or so? |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-04 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
27. Trading one big problem for another |
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seventhson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 05:37 AM Response to Original message |
29. This guy is a stupid asshole. I live in a nuclear community |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 08:58 AM Response to Reply #29 |
73. thank you, seventhson, for your post. Nuke is not the answer. |
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rastignac5 (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 01:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
91. Have any links to the studies... |
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seventhson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 06:33 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. www.radiation.org |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 06:22 AM Response to Original message |
33. Uranium has a peak too- |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 04:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. ~25 years at current usage levels, probably |
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treepig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:37 AM Response to Reply #47 |
85. you say 25 years, stanford university says billions |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 06:11 PM Response to Reply #33 |
57. Ever hear of a breeder reactor? |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 09:05 AM Response to Reply #33 |
75. Half-life of plutonium is 24,000 yrs. IIRC. Uranium?... |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
38. An interesting and provocative article, certainly |
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seventhson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Overblown??? |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 02:49 AM Response to Reply #40 |
64. Well I'm sorry for the fact |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
43. Sorry, but this guy is full of shit |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 04:14 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Hey, what are this guy's nuke credentials? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 04:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Small solutions, HEAR HEAR |
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Crachet2004 (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 03:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
94. I agree. What comes with the grid, of course, is control. |
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Tiberius (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
50. every thread here misses the point |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 04:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. You know, I thought of that solution too. |
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cambie (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 04:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. He didn't say that nuclear was a good way |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 05:38 AM Response to Reply #53 |
67. You obviously haven't seen wild hemp grow friend |
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cambie (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 09:20 PM Response to Reply #67 |
107. We do produce a lot |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 05:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. The Russian Soyuz |
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n0_data (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 08:37 AM Response to Reply #51 |
70. Space Elevators (n/t) |
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funnymanpants (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 01:06 AM Response to Reply #50 |
62. law of gravity says no way |
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Mr.Green93 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
58. There are too many people |
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Bdog (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
59. If nuclear power could be used to pull CO2 out of the atmosphere |
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Frangible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-04 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
61. I agree, but nuclear power should never be privatized |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
63. People forget or don't know that atomic power |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 04:13 AM Response to Original message |
65. Just Repeal the damnable anti-Reclamation law!!! |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
71. I wonder how many other Greens agree. |
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yowzayowzayowza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 12:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
89. As much as I'd like to believe that... |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 07:30 PM Response to Reply #89 |
104. It may be naive to expect |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
74. I would think wind & solar would be much cheaper and easier to build |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 07:06 PM Response to Reply #74 |
99. No, that's not correct. |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
77. The Future of Nuclear Energy |
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seventhson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:42 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. This study is corporate bullshit. MIT is the heart of the right wing |
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treepig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 12:16 PM Response to Reply #79 |
88. but they don't run that tight of a ship, apparently |
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seventhson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:42 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. This study is corporate bullshit. MIT is the heart of the right wing |
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seventhson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
78. Email froma Nuclear whistleblower in response to report on "green" nukes |
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m-jean03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
82. Thought I'd toss out a word here I haven't seen used yet |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
83. Coal power plants emit nuclear waste. |
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treepig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:44 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. "traces" of uranium you say? |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:47 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. All the more reason for renewable energy. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 12:54 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. You would appreciate Amory Lovins' site rmi.org |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #90 |
105. Thanks |
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seventhson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
100. Nader on Nukes and the energy future |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
101. Cynically wrong |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 07:18 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Earth Contact Housing? |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 09:16 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. my favorite sort. |
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Piperay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
102. It takes years to get those reactors |
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