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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:44 PM
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2,000 Pages Missing From Senate's Copy of Prisoner Abuse Report
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBS1AQHLUD.html

Some 2,000 Pages Said to Be Missing From Senate's Copy of Prisoner Abuse Report

WASHINGTON (AP) - At least 2,000 pages might have been missing from the copy of the Army report on soldiers' abusive treatment of Iraqi prisoners that was delivered to the Senate Armed Services Committee.


The 6,000-page report, compiled by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, formed the basis for hearings this month into the allegations. Taguba found "numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses" had been inflicted on Iraqis held at Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad between last October and December.

Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said he knew of no contact with the Pentagon by anybody at the committee about the reported missing pages. He said he understood there may have been a computer glitch that made some of the electronically stored pages difficult to open, but the problem was resolved.

"Certainly, if there is some shortfall in what was provided, it was an oversight," Di Rita said in a statement read to The Associated Press.

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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:48 PM
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1. "Oversight" my ass!
-- Allen
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:50 PM
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2. I'll second that reaction: "Oversight" my ass!!!!
Edited on Sun May-23-04 02:51 PM by Just Me
Moreover, the pattern of deceptive practices by this administration is absolutely fucking unbelievable!!!
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FleshCartoon Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 03:30 PM
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17. Excuses, excuses, excuses.
Even four year old children make up better excuses than does this incompetent administration. Surely they don't still believe anyone buys their bullshit?

Sigh. Well, at least they didn't hand over 2,000 black magic-marked pages to the Senate.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:50 PM
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3. Simon say's or Lawrence Di Rita said
Lets go play the hokey poke now!

(liars, liars and more liars)
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:52 PM
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4. How do you lose 2,000 pages?
Thats I smell a bunch of damn crooks.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 03:21 PM
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16. DOn't get excited,
someone just fat fingered the delete key :)
Nothing to see here.
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 03:45 PM
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22. The same way they 'lost' 180,000 votes in Florida - n/t
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 04:55 PM
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32. The FBI is good at losing thousands of documents at a time,
Case in point the Timothy McVeigh trial. The FBI is good at lying on the witness stand in Federal courts. Case in point the Wen Ho Lee trial.

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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:54 PM
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5. How many times do these fuck ups get to blame glitches?
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez!
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:54 PM
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6. Just proof positive they can even fuck up a cover up!
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 03:45 PM
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23. All we need now is an 18 minute gap
in an audio recording
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:55 PM
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7. this mal-administration has a proven track record
of failing to provide documentation - adequate, complete or failure to be forthcoming?

The lack of "oversight" of each and every member of the staff - from the top to the bottom - makes me wretch.

They are all criminals trying to cover their asses - but hopefully when the wheels of justice do their very fine grind, they will all be imprisoned.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:56 PM
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8. We desperately need a "Daniel Ellsberg" to leak these NEW Pentagon
Papers to the media. I know there are still some with conscience driving them (evidence the Iraqi abuse/torture story and photos). Please leak this report to the media, someone!
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:58 PM
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9. okay, re-open the hearings
Let's have a do-over.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:59 PM
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10. pages missing or edited
from anything they don't want you to see

THE United States edited out more than 8000 crucial pages of Iraq's 11,800-page dossier on weapons, before passing on a sanitized version to the 10 non-permanent members of the United Nations security council.

The full extent of Washington's complete control over who sees what in the crucial Iraqi dossier calls into question the allegations made by US Secretary of State Colin Powell that 'omissions' in the document constituted a 'material breach' of the latest UN resolution on Iraq.


Last week, Secretary General of the UN Kofi Annan accepted that it was 'unfortunate' that his organization had allowed the US to take the only complete dossier and edit it. He admitted 'the approach and style were wrong' and Norway, a member of the security council, says it is being treated like a 'second-class country'.
A UN source in New York said: 'The questions being asked are valid. What did the US take out? And if weapons inspectors are supposed to be checking against the dossier's content, how can any future claim be verified. In effect the US is saying trust us, and there are many who just will not.'

Current and former UN diplomats are said to be livid at what some have called the 'theft' of the Iraqi document by the US. Hans von Sponeck, the former assistant general secretary of the UN and the UN's humanitarian co- ordinator in Iraq until 2000, said: 'This is an outrageous attempt by the US to mislead.'



http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1222-02.htm
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:34 PM
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36. And the worst part is..
.. that Norway, along with all the other temporary members of the SC, is most likely being treated a second-class compared to the permanent members. Which is another reason to either get rid of the veto-power, make all members of the SC temporary or just abandond the SC altogether (which will never happen).

It's ironic then, that the very room that holds the SC meetings is a gift from Norway (or is it Sweden? I keep mixing up who gave what room).
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:59 PM
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11. Oh my goodness gracious
first I forget to bring my diagram to the hearing, now I forget to give you a third of the report. Silly me!

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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 03:00 PM
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12. Can't figure out why the shredder oops I mean computer picked
those particular two thousand pages but as you can clearly see by the remaining pages there was no prison abuse.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 03:04 PM
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13. Not only that, but when
asked for an accounting of something in the Senate Armed Forces hearings, they either can't remember, don't know but will find out, or will look into it...then never do.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 03:08 PM
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14. Their tactics are beginning to get old and quite predictable
the secret government does it again.

I tell ya--Nixon had nothing on this bunch.

Everything they have done or will do, will not be recorded for history.

That way, the history books can play up the village idiot as a great war president and no one will know the difference because all of the records have been either burnt or buried in an undisclosed location.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 03:40 PM
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20. It really makes one wonder.
So much ineptitude.
Can't even copy a damn report?

Perhaps I could appreciate a little sophisticated graft and egomania, but this high school crap is just boring and stupid.
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:07 PM
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35. They ARE the Nixon bunch....
All the principles got their start with Tricky dick!
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 03:16 PM
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15. Shades of Rosemary Woods
Do you suppose Rosemary Woods was in charge of Xeroxing the report?
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 03:32 PM
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18. I feel for the poor lackey staffer assigned with counting the pages.
347... 348... 349... (phone rings, staffer answers, hangs up)

300... 300... shit!!!!!

1... 2...
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 03:40 PM
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19. This reminds me of the other report they stole pages from...
anyone recall? It was 9000 pages long.

Where are the Democrats on this?

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 03:44 PM
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21. It doesn't pass the "The Dog Ate My Homework" test.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 04:14 PM
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 04:49 PM
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31. you need to put a warning on that post ! pretty graphic eom
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 03:59 PM
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24. They are terrible liars -- they can't even do that well
They do everything incompetently!

A glitch, an oversight, which was it? Their first reaction to everything is just to fling as many excuses at it as possible, hoping one will stick.

http://www.wgoeshome.com
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 04:04 PM
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25. Given the revelations of torture in the pages that were shown
Imagine how bad the remaining 2000 pages must be.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 04:18 PM
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27. A pattern of deciet.
Strange that the Senate did not notice this when they were interviewing Gen. Tagub!

Also, quite a few of B. Clinton's reports were never delivered to the 911 Commission.

BushCo is a criminal Admin. A War Crimes Tribunal should be held!
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 04:22 PM
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28. didn't they get 2000 print error messages?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 04:32 PM
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29. This is called obstruction of justice folks
It's a criminal & impeachable offense.



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peterh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 04:46 PM
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30. This is systemic of the authoritarian theocracy in place…
And our spinless friggin’ congress….Sen. Jack Reed: “indicated he would not be surprised if it were true because of the way that he said Defense Department normally treats Congress.”

Excuse me Reed, but you only get treated a certain way if you continually let it happen…..Congressional oversight isn’t a privilege, it’s a friggin’ obligation and some heads should be on the chopping block at even the mere implication that that role is being impeded……tis the trappings of a one party system…..


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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 06:41 PM
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33. And its our job as people in this republic to get rid of them if they ....
Edited on Sun May-23-04 06:42 PM by nolabels
don't represent us. Congress never does their job till the people get pissed off enough to make them do it.

The hot dry summer is comming for the economic conscripts of this war.



Alqaim wedding victims.y

Iraqi Mahdi Nawaf shows photographs of dead family members during a funeral ceremony in Ramadi, Thursday, May 20, 2004.

http://www.albasrah.net/picture.htm
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 06:59 PM
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34. Friday, McCain alluded to this on Larry King Live...
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:36 PM
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37. this is so effed up. n/t
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:53 PM
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38. What a surprise! Doesd anyone in this stupid Congress NOTICE when pages
are missing???
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 10:22 PM
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39. What authority can MAKE them do what they choose not to?
That is the lesson the repugs learned from Watergate. Just DON'T give them the tapes....who is there to MAKE them do it?
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 10:45 PM
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40. The excuse is... the dog ate them!?
:shrug:
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 07:15 AM
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41. Oversight my
ass.
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