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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:10 AM
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U.S.: Iraq Can Decide on Keeping Troops
UNITED NATIONS - The United States says it will give Iraq (news - web sites)'s new interim government a decisive voice in whether a multinational force remains in the country, and has agreed with other Security Council members to transfer full sovereignty to the Iraqis on June 30.


The extent of the caretaker government's powers has been a subject of intense discussion among members of the U.N. Security Council as they await a new resolution dealing with the end of U.S.-British occupation and the restoration of Iraqi sovereignty.


U.S. deputy ambassador James Cunningham said Friday that the council was united on the question of sovereignty, which became an issue when U.S. Undersecretary of State Marc Grossman said the Iraqi interim government should have only limited sovereignty. This drew strong protests from Iraqi leaders and Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) later stepped in to say the restoration of sovereignty would be complete.


"The whole council is agreed that it's full sovereignty," Cunningham told The Associated Press on Friday. "There's no limitation on the sovereignty."

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more: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&ncid=535&e=6&u=/ap/20040522/ap_on_re_mi_ea/un_iraq
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sventvkg Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:19 AM
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1. Well of course they will agree and we will know it's a lie..
I Mean, come on..Give me a Break.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:22 AM
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2. OH BULLSHIT
Edited on Sat May-22-04 08:24 AM by bullimiami
They are in the middle of building 14 military bases.
Not to mention the enormous Embassy / CIA interest section complete with vicious commandant.
There is no intention of leaving. Never was.

Exit strategy. Didnt need one.

If the US does end up pulling out and loses the control over Iraq it will be obvious how badly Bushco misplayed their hand.

Absolute incompetence, corrupts absolutely.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:24 AM
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3. Kick the US oil raiders out then...
we'll see how much so-called "power" the yet to be determined Iraqi govt. has.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:28 AM
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4. And if the new "Iraqi" government
Does not kick us out then they will have zero credibility with the Iraqi people.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:42 AM
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5. How can they possibly expect anyone to trust or believe anything
they say? They have asserted so many fabrications and/or misrepresentations and broken so many international laws that there is NO WAY they have an inkling of credibility left short of just plain desperation to get out of the political folly they have themselves created.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 09:04 AM
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6. Scenario
When the Iraqi council asks the US to leave, it will just reinforce our voices calling for a pullout. Sure, there shall remain a constant opposition, but united with the Iraqi people, we will prevail.

It is like a line carved into rock. Across that line is total destruction, pulling back is our only hope. Bring our troops home. NOW.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 12:20 PM
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7. Woodward on Charlie Rose last night.....said one thing that had not
Edited on Sat May-22-04 12:23 PM by Gloria
gotten enough attention was Powell's remarks about "leaving if asked."
I heard him say this before and he said it again last night, that he wouldn't be surprised if we just pull out and say bye bye....He said Bush can declare victory because we achieved our objectives: 1)we got rid of Saddam and 2) "Gosh, gee, there turned out to be no WMDs, but at least we know now that there aren't any, so we are so much safer, re-elect me."

And you know, the American electorate is dumb enough to believe this crap......

Woodward also raised the concern that if Iraq then plunged into total chaos and civil war, journalists would leave and we wouldn't know what was going on, like in Iran.

To me, this seems like the revolving door of creating/"eliminating" and creating new "threats" at our convenience.....
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 12:43 PM
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8. Chris Floyd had a few things to say in his column about how we locked
Edited on Sat May-22-04 12:45 PM by Marianne
up the spoils in Iraq. No matter what happens hereafter, this part of the invasion was a Bush success. It is all locked up for American businesses and that is exactly what little frat boy, dumbheaded Bush was appointed for.
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Throughout the spring, as hundreds died in the spiraling conflict, as Regime bosses applied their hardcore "anti-terrorist" tortures to innocent bystanders raked up in their occupation nets, as Regime mouthpieces prated endlessly of "liberation" and "sovereignty," Bush viceroy Paul Bremer was quietly signing a series of edicts that will give the United States effective control over the military, ministries -- and money -- of any Iraqi government, for years to come, The Wall Street Journal reports.

Bremer has placed U.S.-appointed "commissions" made up of Americans and local puppets throughout Iraqi government agencies; the ministers supposedly in charge weren't even told of the edicts. These boards "will serve multiyear terms and have significant authority to run criminal investigations, award contracts, direct troops and subpoena citizens," the Journal reports. Any new Iraqi government "will have little control over its armed forces, lack the ability to make or change laws and be unable to make major decisions within specific ministries without tacit U.S. approval, say U.S. officials."



Earlier Bremer edicts laid the Iraqi economy wide open to ruthless exploitation by Bush-approved foreign "investors"; dominance of such key sectors as banking, communications -- and energy -- is already well advanced. The latest dictates aim to ensure that this organized looting goes on, no matter what kind of makeshift "interim government" the United Nations manage to piece together. Bush's plans to build a Saddamite fortress embassy in Baghdad and 14 permanent military bases around the country are designed to provide the knee-breaking "security" for these lucrative arrangements.


http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/05/21/120.html
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 02:22 PM
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9. In related news
Disney engineers said they're confident of meeting the animatronics June 30th deadline.
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