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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:08 PM
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Denver International Airport closed....
Local news channel's ticker just stated that a "massive" computer
shutdown has caused DIA to be shutdown.
Flights are being diverted to surrounding airports. Here at Colorado
Springs I did note an increase in inbound aircraft.

Nothing on the major news channels...yet. Strange.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:10 PM
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1. that airport is a friggen embarrasment
to the max
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:11 PM
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3. Yeah, no kidding. Has anybody heard or seen anything else on this?
:shrug:
I find it very strange that this is not being reported on the major
news channels (as well as online...).
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 11:35 PM
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32. beg to differ
Edited on Wed May-19-04 11:35 PM by leftofthedial
hundreds of flights in dozens of airports and it's one of my favorites
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:57 AM
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40. I mean for the people of Denver and the contractors
who got rich off it,

from a travellers perspective, it is quite fine.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:09 AM
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42. I live in Denver
the powers that be, the politically connected, and speculators ALWAYS get rich off a public works project. It's not right, but DIA is no different from other big projects in that regard.

Perfect? No. It is too far from my home on the west side of town, but otherwise, I'm not complaining.

Don't get me started on T-Rex though. :-)
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:10 PM
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2. Hmmmm? Denver Airport? Affixing tin-foil cowboy hat
Edited on Wed May-19-04 09:16 PM by SpiralHawk
and going in search of some links to the vast underground complex - city that lies deep below.

ok - here's one. Don't know if there is any hard evidence or corroboration on this -- but I have a new feather in my new hat -- and so I'm open to the fRinGe for a bit...

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver_Airport.html

DA: We talked about the Denver airport last night and what is really going on down there. The area is of a pretty high altitude, where it will be safe. (Denver is known as the Mile High City and is strategically protected by the Rocky Mountains/Continental Divide. The view there is breathtaking.)

AC: Yes. Plus, all the symbolism that is apparent in the layout of the new Denver airport says that it is a control center for world control. There is a lot of "secret society" symbology at the airport. We started researching all of this to find out what it all means. It's all very scary. A gentleman by the name of Al Bielek, who has been involved in some very unusual government projects in the past, told me that the Denver area is where the establishment of the Western sector of the New World Order will be in the United States. Little bits and pieces keep coming to me, confirming things I have not had confirmed before.

DA: About some of these things on the airport in Denver. Would you mind discussing some of those things again?
AC: Well, the first thing that got my attention at the airport was the capstone that I saw in a photograph, that had a Masonic symbol on it.

DA: The capstone?


AC: The capstone, or the dedication stone for the Denver airport...

(snip)
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:11 PM
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4. Don't go there....
Edited on Wed May-19-04 09:14 PM by kalian
:tinfoilhat:

Not to mention the murals that they have in the terminal...creepy
to say the least.

On edit...here are the mural pics.
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/5692/murals.html

Like I said, these are WEIRD.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:54 PM
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19. That site is temporarily unavailable. Should I reach for the tinfoil?
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:01 PM
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22. Definitely grab the tinfoil....and more so now...
since this site was up and running when I posted it. Weird...
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:03 PM
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25. DONT grab the tinfoil - grab your reading spectacles.
The site says quite clearly why:

The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data transfer. Visit our help area for more information.

Those pictures are large. Get 30 DU'ers all looking at them, and OF COURSE it's going to exceed limits.

Good reason not to use Geocities.

Pcat
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:12 PM
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27. Heh-heh! I love tinfoil! There are times that DU reminds me of the
nights as a kid, where we'd pitch the tent in the neighbors back yard for a sleepover and tell scary stories all night long. It went all night because after the first one or two, everyone was to freaked out to go to sleep.

So, rather than peruse the DU board anymore tonight, I think I'll head off to bed before I get too freaked to go to bed.
:evilgrin: Good night all! :hi:

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 11:11 PM
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31. The Albuquerque Airport
which combines both civilian traffic and Kirtland Air Force Base traffic is higher in elevation than the Denver Airport and there are no problems due to altitude. When it is warm small planes take a longer time to climb.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:12 PM
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5. didn't LAX shut down a few days ago for the same reason
massive computer failures??

that is awfully coincidental
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:12 PM
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7. LAX was for power outages....
if I am not mistaken.
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:49 PM
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15. Delta Airlines was also down with computer problems
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:12 PM
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6. KCI was shut down yesterday
morning for four hours for a computer glitch.

Is there something going on here?
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:13 PM
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8. Hadn't heard anything about that either.
But there is something definitely amiss here.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:01 PM
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23. Did you happen to catch the repeat of Cyber Wars on Frontline a
couple of weeks ago? I only caught the tail end (again). You just reminded me to go dig it up so I can watch the whole thing.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cyberwar/view/

They will also be replaying The Jesus Factor tomorrow 5/20. Another one I caught the tail end of, bookmarked and haven't gotten back to watching yet.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/view/


This is just getting way to freaky for me lately! :tinfoilhat:
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:16 PM
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9. AAARRRGH! My luggage was "lost" in Denver a few years ago.
And, it took a week for them to "find" it.

:-(
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:24 PM
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12. Same thing happened to me
They took it off the plane - the cabin - it was carry-on, while we had a break. I got to San Diego with no freakin' clothes, 10:30 PM, with a presentation to some real big shots at 8 AM. No where to buy clothes. What could I do? I went in a fresh T-shirt, my shorts and sandals.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:22 PM
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10. Austin Bergstrom was shut down today, too. Three airports, 2 days?
Something up, maybe?

In Austin, a screener let a toy gun through, so the whole terminal had to be evacuated and rescreened.

Odd?
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:54 PM
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29. Make that 4- RDU lost power on Sun night after a small plane
Edited on Wed May-19-04 10:59 PM by rainbowgrrl24
crashed and took out the powerlines to the (entire) airport.

http://www.wral.com/news/3312438/detail.html

(edited to provide the link)
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:24 PM
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11. A sat pic of the airport....


What can I say... :eyes:
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EV1Ltimm Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:49 PM
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16. that's one giant swastika. nt
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:51 PM
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17. ok now THAT creeps me out n/t
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:51 PM
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18. Give the tin hat to the coat check girl....
Of course an airport is going to have some vague resemblance to some rectilinear shape - runways HAVE to be straight and intersect at right angles. So some are going to resemble Xtian crosses, some swastikas (which are ancient symbols) some squares, some rectangles, some like parking lots. The regional near my house looks like the Potent Cross found here http://www.bozzle.com/her_crosses.html from the air because there are hangars at each end of the runway. That doesn't mean that my regional airport is working to bring back the Knights of Jerusalem by some "prayer wheel effect."

DIA has a LOT of major carriers, plus cargo carriers. They need a lot of runway space.

And yes, it was expensive, and plagued by cost overruns, and yes, a runway was abandoned because it was badly built. But that was the simple conspiracy of incompetence, not some cabal of what-have-you. Never chalk up to conspiracy what you can attribute to stupidity - the latter is FAR more common.

Here's a link to a pic of Sky Harbor International in Phoenix. No masonic imagery anywhere in that behemoth of an ugly place.

http://www.mapmart.com/scripts/hsrun.exe/Single/MapMart_New/MapXtreme.htx;start=HS_Handler

It looks like a duck. Apophrenia, my friend, seeing connections where there are none.

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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:00 PM
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21. The funny thing about DIA....
it was built in a high wind prone area that is also known for the
occasional tornado... :eyes: Yeah, well thought out...NOT.
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:28 AM
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35. Sure. Stupidity and greed. The former mayor had family ties to the land
owners who sold the city the land for DIA. So the city got it "cheap", it was in the middle of nowhere, so the good citizens wouldn't be inconvenienced by the noise of 777's landing in essentially downtown (as Stapleton was) and there was room to expand.

The problem with being backed up against a mountain range is that we only have a couple of directions to expand....

And while yes, it is a high wind area, and tornadoes happen, what do they do on Oklahoma? Kansas? Iowa? Last I heard, those places have both tornadoes and airports, too....

And Miami gets hurricanes, and Chicago gets everything.... Weather happens.

Pcat
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:00 AM
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38. yeah ...but
do most of those airports have giant murals of children of every race handing over their weapons to a little Nazi boy with an iron glove and a hammer? do those other airports have murals depicting every known psychotropic plant and extinct species of flora and fauna that have special meanings to secret societies? I think not ....

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:29 PM
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13. Multiple instances of reporting on it now - radar
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Miss Authoritiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:38 PM
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14. Cyber-warning shots across the bow?
Anybody see the recent PBS Frontline on cyber-terrorism?
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:00 PM
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20. My guess? A worm. A virus. Something stupid.
Mr. Politicat works for a company that furnishes document management systems to the airlines. They are almost exclusively running in a Windows environment, rather than in something more secure and or more immune thanks to cyber-diversity.

He's been saying for the past three years that those yahoos, cutting their IT staff, were cutting their own throats. The airlines have been getting rid of those employees that actually do work, and keeping their management. (This is bright? We trust our lives to these people? There's a reason we travel by train now....and it's not that it's far more efficient.)

I'd guess that several someones forgot to install the latest security patches. And when one air port gets hit, it travels through the dedicated ATM channels to others, so yeah, it's a domino effect.

Informational warfare? feh. Possibly, but more likely some 17 year old scr1pt kiddyz with no sense.

My $0.02 cents.

Politicat (who truly can't believe that masons run the world because they can't even get a Friday Night Fish fry well organized....)
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:03 PM
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24. Actually a Saudi run company
Edited on Wed May-19-04 10:04 PM by teryang
...named Ptech allegedly obtained access to the entire FAA computer system. It was allegedly related in some way to a "defunct" financial operation that coincidentally had the name BMI inc. that was a money launderer for terrorists. The entire FAA computer system was hopelessly compromised before 911.

I am not speculating about this incident, but security in the aviation industry is hopelessly compromised.

:tinfoilhat:
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:10 PM
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26. It's back open and delays were about an hour.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4110657,00.html

DENVER (AP) - Departing flights were grounded at Denver International Airport for about an hour Wednesday evening when the airport's main radar failed.

The radar was restored and takeoffs resumed shortly after 7 p.m., said Chuck Cannon, a spokesman for the airport, the nation's fifth-busiest.

The cause of the failure wasn't immediately known. The problem was probably mechanical, and foul play was not suspected, Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Allen Kenitzer said.

``We took delays both inbound and outbound, but we did not have to cancel any flights,'' said Stephan Roth, a spokesman for United Airlines, the airport's dominant carrier.``Our longest delays look like they've been just over an hour or so,'' he said.




JEEZ! What do you all do when Chicago Midway shuts down for an hour?!?! Does the Eveil International Cabal of 7 foot Intergalactic Space Lizards have a Weather Control Ray?

Or is it because it's DIA?

It's a !$^&ing airport. No more, no less. The difference is that it's new. Thank you very much, but I much prefer our clean, efficient, pretty, environmentally friendly tent to some of ya'll's filthy, pestilential holes of a cattle car processing zone.

Come on out and visit us. Look around at the airport yourself. And then see the rest of Colorado. Excluding some psychos down south, this isn't nutcase central most years.

Pcat
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:32 PM
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28. Are you being paid....?
:eyes:
Seriously, you went into major debunking mode on this thread.
Yes, there are "conspiracy" theories surrounding DIA...whether they
are true or not I could care less. I was just posting the news
about DIA going down.

Coincidence it is that there have been serious issues with various
international airports during these past couple of weeks.

Chill!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 11:59 PM
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:33 AM
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37. Same as it has always been. And I'm a she, thank you.
Profile is available.

Politicat
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:32 AM
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36. No. I live here (Denver area). And it bothers me that this is such a
non issue that really makes people not want to come here. You'd be annoyed, too, if family members had said "we'll come, but we're not going through that airport" and made you drive an extra 2 hours to pick them up. (Yeah, it hits a nerve.)

I am proud of the natural beauty here.

And really, I find this rather a silly conspiracy theory.

It hits a nerve. Sorry.

Pcat
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:04 AM
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34. Strange, all the concern for odd happenings at airports, eh?
You'd think we have some reason to be jumpy, wouldn't you? Not like anything ever happens at airports, or with airplanes.
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AlFrankenFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 11:00 PM
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30. Crap
Well, hopefully my aunt was planning on going anywhere anytime soon. They've had a lot of problems since they opened, have they? When I used to live in Colorado I always though it was pretty nice but I guess they don't have everything straight.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:13 AM
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39. Hey everybody..Let's use computers to VOTE !!
What a great idea :eyes:
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:06 AM
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41. Radar failure now fixed
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