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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:23 AM
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Sarin Nerve Agent Bomb Explodes in Iraq (Update with link)
Edited on Mon May-17-04 09:59 AM by NNN0LHI
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040...

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A roadside bomb containing sarin nerve agent exploded near a U.S. military convoy, the U.S. military said Monday. Two people were treated for "minor exposure," but no serious injuries were reported.

"The Iraqi Survey Group confirmed today that a 155-millimeter artillery round containing sarin nerve agent had been found," said Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the chief military spokesman in Iraq (news - web sites). "The round had been rigged as an IED (improvised explosive device) which was discovered by a U.S. force convoy.

"A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered inoperable. This produced a very small dispersal of agent," he said.

The Iraqi Survey Group is a U.S. organization whose task was to search for weapons of mass destruction after the ouster of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) in last year's invasion.

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:24 AM
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1. Fan is on high! n/t
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:31 AM
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93. If Saddam's folks had this in the beginning, don't you think they would
have used it? This stinks as much as the Berg beheading. Who in the world, except for the dittoheads here in the US, will believe this shit?
And our military said there is no need for further decontamination or worry? Why wouldn't there be need for further decontamination or worry if we really believe that Sarin had fallen into the hands of the insurgents or so-called 'terrorists?' This makes absolutely no sense. The insurgents are winning the hearts and minds of the world why would they behead Berg and now turn around and use Sarin gas? They aren't that stupid. But we are!
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:02 PM
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112. This sat on the side of the road for HOW long and no one NOTICED?????
ROFLMAO!

hundreds of thousands of troops in iraq, and no one noticed this bomb til NOW?

hey, they're REAL competent.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:25 AM
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2. I'll wait for independent corroboration
in other words, an agency outside the United States governement is required before I'll believe it.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:30 AM
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6. Like the "Iraqis stole coalition uniforms" story or ..
Edited on Mon May-17-04 09:30 AM by underpants
the "we found chem suits so they must have WMD" story?

Or Zarqawi's leg growing back or Chemical Ali being KILLED a month before he was captured?
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:32 AM
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10. Isn't that the truth! We can' take our own media seriously
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:34 AM
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12. Or more to the point, we cannot trust our own government to tell the truth
n/t
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:11 AM
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46. Rummy picked the shell up from Pine Bluff before his visit to Iraq
Awful damn convenient that the person in the world most under the microscope right now that has more access to chemical weapons than anyone else in the world just popped his head in the door to have a pep rally last week and an old sarin shell shows up minutes after he left.

Gee... I'll bet nobody checks the party that travels with Rummy either.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:36 AM
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65. You got it!
How frickin' convenient.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:32 AM
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95. Just so you know
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1137072/posts

Someone's lurking and they used your post mouse.
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 12:10 PM
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108. Yeah, and even a bunch of freepers don't think this means anything
Even freepers are seeing through this one.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:07 PM
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126. I don't know how you can stomach the crap
they write at freepcity. Those people are so delusional that they don't know their head from their ass. What a bunch of freaking morons.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:14 PM
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128. They're not just morons - they're fascists who support traitors.
They are the "good" Germans - you know, like the ones who applauded the death camps.

They are scum. I've seen maybe two or three who haven't swallowed the Kool-Aid wholesale yet, but being in that kind of Nazi environment will surely marinate their consciences in evil.

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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 06:57 PM
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135. Nazis, not Germans, please...
Edited on Mon May-17-04 06:59 PM by stepnw1f
Not Mad
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jdm Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #126
136. oh, the irony.
pot, this is kettle. you are black. repeat, you are black. over.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 02:57 AM
Response to Reply #126
140. I don't typically
Every now and then though, when a story like this breaks, I like to see their idiotic reaction to it. And yeah, it was predictably stupid.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:25 AM
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3. Don, is this the same explosion as here
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:27 AM
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4. Not sure yet. Will advise n/t
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:29 AM
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5. oh, here we go
:eyes:
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:30 AM
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7. Sarin was released but nobody died?
Riiight.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:39 AM
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16. certainly possible, if not probable

Think about it -- how much Sarin would the typical artillery shell hold? How quickly would it dissipate in the open air? Didn't those Japanese cult guys release some on the subway there a few years ago with relatively minor results?
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:45 AM
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25. Aum Shinrikyo's subway attack killed 12 and hospitalized 5000.
Granted, you're right, that's enclosed space as opposed to open air.

Got the numbers here:
http://cfrterrorism.org/groups/aumshinrikyo.html
It also says here that sarin can be easily produced by a trained chemist with publically available chemicals, so this doesn't prove any WMD lies.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:03 AM
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40. yeah, that's not so "relatively minor" as I was thinking, 12 deaths and

5000 hospitalized, but I think this one in Iraq is just a case of an IED made from an artillery shell, and they just happened to find one that a Sarin leftover. Someone else posted that this stuff has a shelf life of about 5 years, so who knows how much was detected?
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DubyaSux Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:25 AM
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91. Not all deaths Sarin
Tragically, 12 people died n the Tokyo subway, but only 2 died from the chemical. 10 died from the stampede.

That was the worst case condition imaginable for release of a WMD, but many pairs of a size 8 foot did more mass destruction than the chemical.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #91
123. Welcome to DU DubyaSux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:hi:

Love the name!
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:25 AM
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56. So in essence
So in essence the US is claiming it found Sarin, accidentally released it and now just have the shell it was stored in?

So the evidence has pretty much been disposed of but now they have 'proof' of WMDs. Just during the middle of this scandal, the US has used up all of it's Credibility with the international world now I think.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:20 AM
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89. There will be chemical traces in the shell...
...if it contained Sarin.
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LeftofBklyn Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:39 AM
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99. mass destruction?
does this really count as a weapon of MASS destruction? i don't know a whole lot about it but it sounds like it has minor impact.
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Spentastic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:30 AM
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8. So
The U.S military has allowed terrorists to obtain WMD?

Why the fuck are we there again?
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:31 AM
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9. "terrorists"?
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Heyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:34 AM
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13. I know that word....
.."terrorist" is thrown around WAY too much, it's true.

In this case it fits though. A suicide bomber blowing himself up taking a political figure and some civlians out.

That is a terrorist.

As for the sarin, we'll just have to wait and see.

Heyo
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:41 AM
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18. You're right
Edited on Mon May-17-04 09:43 AM by Aidoneus
It is thrown around WAY too much.

Those who collaborate with an invading & occupying army are considered a target everywhere in the world and in history.
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Spentastic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:47 AM
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29. Hmmm
Are you sure that all of the interim council are in it for themselves? Good men are oft used for evil ends.

Would it make you feel better if I wrote Guerillas?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:34 AM
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11.  I guess they didn't torture them enough or they would have known
Sorry I couldn't resist.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that from the RW media and they will be SERIOUS!

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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:09 PM
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127. exactly
and how much more do they have...this whole "war" is nothing but a caotic mess with no end in sight and it makes me sick.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:34 AM
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14. Me: "Most dangerous weeks since Cuban Missile Crisis"...
Final Answer Regis.
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Shadder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:37 AM
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15. Sure.....
And the bomb was set off by Osama. Because he hates us for our freedoms. And this proves that Saddam had ties to Osama. And if the French ahd helped us out in the first place this never would have happened. And...and...and...
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:40 AM
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17. This doesn't make sense - Sarin was used in the Tokyo subways
You would think with an explosion of the force we saw today, if there were any sarin it would have either burned up or dispersed too much to do anything. This explosion occurred outside, not in a closed environment.

I smell a rat. :eyes:
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:42 AM
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19. Given the number of artillery shells employed as IEDs in the last year...
It wouldn't be surprising if a survivor from the old chemical arsenal found its way into the insurgency's hands. If this were the case, we'd expect that the chemical agent was severely weakened after the many years (probably over a decade) since the shell was filled.
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 12:44 PM
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111. Remember the oil fields were secured first
The factories were looted and they found that things marked by the U.N. had been taken. If this one is one of the 16 that were found in January of '03 by the U.N. inspectors and was looted, who's fault is that? You remember all of the chaos at the beginning of the war, the Iraq museum was looted etc.... Just a thought. Oh and by the way Powell said on Meet the Press yesterday that he mislead the U.N. and world with his February presentation. This administration does not even believe its own lies, but when you are at just over 40% approval ratings what have you got to lose with another lie and cover-up?
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:43 AM
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20. Sarin...that's what Powell said Saddam used in the 1988 Hallabja gassing
No injuries??? But it's a WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

We need to clear up the definition of terrorim/terrorist and WMD. This is getting silly.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:46 AM
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26. Scott Ritter says Sarin has a shelf life of five years.
And that anything left now in Iraq would be 'harmless, useless goo'.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #26
38. Actually, after 5 years it turns into Orange Glow
and is great on pots and pans!
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #20
90. Definition of a WMD.
There is no such thing. The only weapon that comes close to being one is a Nuke. Technically it is a WMD, but ass it is the only one the term WMD has no relevance. Biological and Chemical weapons do not qualify as WMD's. The entire set of munitions are more properly called NBC weapons.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:43 AM
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21. Didn't Kimmit say
ineffective..common as household chemicals.....happened a few days ago?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #21
24. Yes and no one is wearing chemical suits either. That is odd
I would think everyone would be suited up if this were the case.

Don

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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:50 AM
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32. I'm confused...
Did this just happen today, or a couple of days ago, or both?

Are they taking a "nothing" story from a couple of days ago and making it a bigger story today?

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:53 AM
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36. Days ago was my understanding. Even Kimmett sounds confused n/t
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:57 AM
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37. of course they are
the market is down, oil prices are high, the iraqi governing council prez is dead.

what story do you think they'll push?
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:44 AM
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22. Kimmit
just said it was found "a couple of days ago" (unless I didn't hear him right) -- then got a slightly technical question and shrugged it off as "way above my expertise."
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:44 AM
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23. HOW CONVENIENT!
The same day the president of the Iraqi governing council is killed AND the stock market tanks, we find WMD!!!! WOW! what a surprise! Gotta get those war approval ratings up!
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:48 AM
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30. don't think that'll help
people are not that stupid.....its just a diversion tactic.....
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:49 AM
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31. yes they are
Saddam for Christmas, Osama for July 4th
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:51 AM
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34. Everything happens in 3's
:shrug:
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zanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #23
41. They had to do it!
The decapitation video didn't work!
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:47 AM
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27. Link --- not in-depth
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:47 AM
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28. Breaking: another mass grave located
mobile weapons lab found...Saddam torture video...Michael Moore ties to al Qaeda...


C'mon, what's taking so long?
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digno dave Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:50 AM
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33. listening to FOX News you would have
thought they found a nuclear reactor.
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #33
35. they did didn't they?
oh wait, it was just a muffler buried in someone's yard.....but does FOX follow up with the TRUTH? hell no. Do yourself a favor, turn off that god awful channel
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Sweatynipples Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:46 AM
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70. Good old fox
Yeah when I found out about the story I immediately turned to fox news to get the most accurate report ;). I think these was the woman's exact words: "A WMD has been found in Iraq, proof that Sadaam has had these weapons in his stockpile. This weapon was made before 1990 and most likely has more of them." She didn't say how the weapon exploded.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:01 AM
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39. My wild theory
Edited on Mon May-17-04 10:02 AM by AngryAmish
It is my understanding that chemical bombs have very little explosive. Just enough to disburse the gas a little.

IED goes off, but it is just a "pop" and no one thinks much about it. Bombers and US thought they got a dud.

However, every device is studied and in the follow up an explosive expert says "uh-oh".

I think you need lots of gas to make a successful attack. Not one shell, more like a real bombardment. Need low winds, too.
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:11 AM
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47. This was found on Saturday
Released today because it had to take front page away from the fact that the US has ordered troops from South Korea to be moved to Iraq, and the fact that the highest ranking civilian in Iraq Governing council was killed. Please accept apologies for any misspelling I can not find my glasses
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:05 AM
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42. MSNBC - David Kay says this is probably an old round from the
Iran-Iraq War - not a recent round.

Does not show a continuing WMD program occurring all the way up to this War.

Does not sound like Shrub's smoking gun.
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:07 AM
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45. That sounds logical
but just watch, bushie will begin to say that WMD"s were found, I told you so, etc... Just Watch...

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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:14 AM
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51. Who is the idiot talking head Randy (sp?) spwho is trying to spin 'aha!'
Edited on Mon May-17-04 10:17 AM by Kahuna
Even after Kay and some general said it was no biggie, he's trying to get the Bob Cur (sp?) reporter to say the bushies were right. Cur is not giving him the good news he was hoping for.
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #51
53. Sorry, I didn't see that part. I was just glad to get a little
perspective on the whole thing before the Repubs all start screaming "we were right".

Kay said that with the number of ammo dumps and huge amount of left over weapons all over that country, it is not surprising that some old shells were not destroyed earlier.

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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:47 AM
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71. Randy Meier, I'm ashamed to admit that he used to be here in Minnesota
I also noticed his asking a question, not getting the answer he wanted, interupting it to try a different tack. He interupted David Kaye several times when Kaye was saying that it doesn't do anything for claims of WMD, or recent program to produce them. He didn't get add that it also doesn't support claims of intentions to create weapons of mass destruction program related activites.

What I wish someone would finally say is that we knew that Saddam once had chemical weapons and the means to disburse them because little Donnie Rumsfeld sold them to Iraq.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #42
85. In other words, something we helped Saddam produce ...

or gave him or encouraged him to use, back in the days when Rummy was his pal?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:06 AM
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43. must have run out of Murkans to behead
ONE whole weapon-of-mass-destruction-related shell of activity?

Reagan, Rummy and George the First sold them stuff for tens of thousands.

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:06 AM
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44. David Kay on MSNBC -- "This doesn't rise to the burden of a
continuing WMD program" as was used to start this war. He says this was likely left over from the Iraq-Iran war and it would've been nearly impossible, given the huge stockpiles, to have gotten rid of EVERYTHING.

Speaking a lot of good sense.
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #44
49. He's right
its just the stuff we sold iraq 20 some years ago. Ask Rummy about that one.....(he should kick his own ass for that one)
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:45 AM
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68. Would be Inert
It should be inert after 5 years, that means either it was just a big threat or that something doesn't add up.

All I see is lots of talk happening on this subject, yet no real details on it, no significant evidence of real WMDs.

To be totally honest, this was even within my parameters of predicted ploys by the Administration as I set down over a year ago, this will be used as proof of WMDs and if this isn't enough they'll find someone huge about a month before the election. Timing with this country and the confusion over it makes this an event of questionable authenticity.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:59 AM
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77. Not inert, just not effective as a nerve agent,
Maybe clear the area of mosquitos. If that. But not "Inert" which means chemically unreactive. If it is inert, you could let your kids play with it with no fears. I'd guess that functionally inert which would implies that it would no longer be effective at it's intend purpose would be a bit more accurate.

"Breaking News on FOX" Deep Woods Off artillary round explodes in IED!!!
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #44
92. And 6 months ago...
...I really didn't like this guy. Now he seems to have come over to our side. Mmmmmmmm, Spidersense tingling.
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lockdown Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:12 AM
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48. Al-Zarqawi, AKA Pentagon black ops
100% certainty it'll be pinned on "poisons expert" al-Zarqawi. That one legged bogeyman living in a US occupied war zone seems to be the mastermind behind every global terrorist attack since Powell mentioned him at the UN.

"Grab whom you must. Do what you want."
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:13 AM
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50. This is a one-day story
The whore media - mainly MSNBC and Fox - are running wild, claiming that this proves Saddam had WMD.

They won't retract this garbage, they will just leave it alone in a few days.

I thought that MSNBC chick was going to bitch slap David Kay, when he told her it was insignificant, because it was an old shell frmo the Iran-Iraq war. She looked PISSED. Good.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:16 AM
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52. This will save Rush and Hannity's bacon today. They can..
Edited on Mon May-17-04 10:31 AM by Kahuna
hyperventilate about this and Alexandra Kerry's breasts instead of bush's low poll numbers.
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:27 AM
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59. What's this about Alexandra Kerry's breast?
:shrug:
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:30 AM
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61. Go to drudgereport.com, you silly...
:silly: Should you have to ask? If it's stupid and petty, you'll find it on drudge.
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #61
67. What shall we do w/ this un-American slut???
I'm sure Rush will tell us... :eyes:
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cestmoi Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:22 AM
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54. Wasn't the war supposed to increase security?
Call me crazy but the finding of Sarin gas seems to indicate a spiralling decrease in security. If true it simply proves the point that borders are not secure. WMDs that were not in Iraq before are there now. Note to Bush: Be careful what you wish for.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:24 AM
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55. it was a homemade bomb from an old mortar shell.."virtually ineffective"
Edited on Mon May-17-04 10:27 AM by Danieljay
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said at a briefing in Baghdad that the bomb, which exploded "a couple of days ago" in the Iraqi capital, consisted of an old "binary-type" artillery shell that required the mixing of two chemical components in separate sections of the cell to produce the sarin.

"The cell is designed to work after being fired from an artillery piece," he said, adding that dispersing the substance from a device such as the homemade bomb "is virtually ineffective as a chemical weapon."

....and lets not forget this stuff is useless after 5 years and it is/was not a part of an active chemical weapons program. Its probably from an old shell we gave them back in the 80's. You can expect more of this doo-doo from the Bush administration as they become desparate to divert the American people from the truth about this war.
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:27 AM
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58. too bad nobody will hear that comment
I bet they find these everywhere, today was just an exceptionally bad day so they had to use it as a "story"
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #58
60. exactly..diversion..
remember when the Danish troops "discovered" weapons..the story disappaered and you never heard anything more about it. I'd put money the were marked "made in the USA" and were left over from the 80's.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:07 AM
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81. Couldn't have possibly released the report when it happened on Saturday...
No one could then have been shocked or outraged about it, all the NASCAR dads were too busy drooling over the Olsen Twins on SNL
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:26 AM
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57. This smells (if you pardon the expression)
The round was found? Does that mean it DIDN'T explode, or that one round exploded and another did not?

:headbang:
rocknation
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:34 AM
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63. even if it were sarin ...
... that doesn't mean "WE FOUND WMD!" Could have been brought in since we occupied Iraq, could have been some old shell lying around since pre-1991 that someone just found. You'd be nuts to think there wouldn't be a few old shells laced with chem. weapons lying around, with all the stuff Saddam used to have.

One old shell does not equal 45-minute nuke bomb capability. We're still governed by LIARS!

The Freepers will use this as iron-clad evidence of WMD, of course, but they're too busy obsessing over Kerry's daughter showing up at Cannes in a see-through dress.

And so it goes.
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #63
66. I don't think it's even been confirmed as sarin
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:33 AM
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62. Stop spinning for a minute - I'm getting dizzy!
Ok, I'm confused ...

First we have the "explosion" report

> An artillery round containing a small amount of the nerve gas sarin
> has exploded in Iraq.

Then we have the "additional detail"

> Brig Gen Mark Kimmitt said the blast caused a small release of
> the substance
, and two people were treated for exposure
> to the agent.

Then we have a backdated non-explosive discovery

> The substance was found in an artillery shell inside a bag
> discovered by a US convoy a few days ago, he said.

:wtf:

(All quotes from the BBC breaking news article, my emphasis above)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3722255.st...

Nihil
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:35 AM
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64. They can't even keep the stories about planted evidence straight
What an incompetent bunch in the White House. At least in Nixon's day, they kept their stories straight until tapes proved otherwise!
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #62
69. I don't believe it
1st..........happened Sat...would have been major story...even for week end....remember the start of the "war".....they covered sat and suns......military can't be too worried about chemicals..they hardly ever wear their protective gear......





"How does the US Marines Corp USUALLY find a roadside bomb? By having it blow their freakin' heads off is how." But we're supposed to believe they just happened to stumble across a roadside bomb (lie #1) filled with Saddaams WMD (lie #2).

This is going to go one of two way:

will be totally discounted as just another false alarm in a string of hundreds of false alarms about WMD put forth by bush and his propaganda team.

2) Conflicting stories will emerge on how/who/when this supposed roadside bomb was found until it becomes quite obvious it is just another PLANT by bush and his Generals to try to take the heat off themselves.

Weapons of Mass Destruction my ass...if this was truely the intent to disperse WMD at American troops it would have found it's way into a mortar and been launched into the middle of a US Marine of ARMY station to inflict the most damage it could possibly inflict.

But to try to justify the entire war against the Iraqi people because of a single shell left by the side of the road (by the CIA most likely) to be found by US Troops (who have never found any WMD before) is ludicrious.

Try again Bush It's going to take a lot more then this amatuer setup to fool anyone
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #69
79. good post.. n/t
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #62
84. Time affect / Random Spinning
Uh, even the precursor chemicals for a sarin warhead from the Iran-Iraq War of the 80s would be completely inert according to a simple search for Sarin Gas most information can be applied, below is a link


CNN Now claims - It was emitting Sarin Gas when it was found, man this story can't keep itself straight. Wolf Blitzer is now claiming it's the second found, Mustard Gas was found 10 days ago. This really is becoming questionable. The stories are being spun exactly in the direction that the Bush Administration wants, at least by Wolf Blitzer.

http://sc-ems.com/ems/NuclearBiologicalChemical/Sarin/s...
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:47 AM
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72. Groups could have brought this agent with them ... ?
Edited on Mon May-17-04 11:05 AM by ElectroPrincess
This news "cracks me up" in a bizarre way. The right wing radicals will use this as a true justification for us to have invaded. What they fail to recognize is that WHERE this nerve agent originated from does not matter to the average Iraqi citizen. All the non-aligned Iraqi's see now is that George Bush's invasion has brought *hellfire* INTO their beloved country. Humm, who do you think the average Iraqi will feel holds the most responsibility for the increasing murders and chaos?

BTW our silver haired GQ General Kermit (Kimmit :P) better get his head and his a** wired tight ASAP, or else the Pentagon Brass will soon take a giant sh*t on him.

Civilian Translation: If any more of those nerve agents show up and actually KILL people OR another IGC leader is murdered, General Mark Kimmet will be relieved of duty in a New York minute. Mark better make extraordinary efforts to reach out to the Iraqi Community with some communication skills that transcend military power,i.e., kicking peoples' doors-in and increased raids and killings. I think the term is "concerted and thoughtful negotiations." And yes, military leaders are very good at doing this, i.e., no one group knows how to figuratively kiss a superior's ass better than General Officers (lol).

Oh what am I thinking? <eg> = As soon as "What death squads?" Negroponte represents the USA, everything will be as right as rain. (a rain of Iraqi, et.al., body parts as a result of our surgical strike ARTY shells).

I personally don't give a damn about Iraq's oil (drive a Honda). Rummy and his civilian cronies have screwed this invasion and occupation beyond repair. Therefore, I hope and pray that our arrogant leaders choose to declare victory and slowly withdraw all our troops out of the Middle East as soon as the earliest semblance of law and order emerges after 30 Jun 04. But I doubt that Bush will be that rational because he listens to Cheney, Rummy and "HIS God", not the citizens of the USA. Damn, for the short term, we're hopelessly screwed.

Please help elect John Kerry in November because he believes in a secular government (separation of church and state); he's proven himself to be "a good listener"; and most IMPORTANT of all, Kerry's highly intelligent, i.e., our Vice President will not be running the country from an undisclosed location. For you Naderites, I quote Randi Rhodes, "Nader can't win and we can't afford four more years of George W. Bush as President. <curtsy and exit stage left libertarian>
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:49 AM
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73. Headline: U.S. Army SAYS It Finds Shell with Sarin Agent in Iraq
U.S. Army Says It Finds Shell with Sarin Agent in Iraq

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040...
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #73
75. Too Cool!
Was there an arrow pointing to the nerve agent? I do hope the folks that planted it there were thoughtful enough to tag it with the phone number to General Mark Kimmit's OPS office ... you know for speedy COMMS and extra "suck up" points. <snicker>
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Kusala Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:02 AM
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78. Doesn't sound like it was planted
If you're going to plant a real WMD, it would be better to use something that's not 20 years old right?

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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #78
83. No of course not it's perfect!
Edited on Mon May-17-04 11:10 AM by ElectroPrincess
No, it's the perfect PLANT! You already have the ARTY shell, all you have to do is install the nerve agent payload. Damn, that's so *low* and predictable. Now I know the folks in the Right Wing are desparate but still smart. As Scott Ritter stated, biological agents degrade. The original nerve agent installed would have degraded to something as harmess as clorox. lol
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Kusala Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #83
87. It's tough to tell if you're being serious
Edited on Mon May-17-04 11:20 AM by Kusala
Otherwise do you really believe the iraqi govt had a precise inventory of all of it's 155mm rounds leftover from the iran/iraq war, and so therefore destroyed them all?

A rebel found an artillery shell, for all we know it was on his dad's mantle as a souveneir. He rigs it as an IED, not realizing it carried a sarin payload.

I don't see how this is outside the realm of rational possibilities.



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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #87
110. I am being serious NOW :-)
Edited on Mon May-17-04 12:20 PM by ElectroPrincess
If that was twenty year old remnants of sarin gas in the ARTY's payload, then it's "useless goo" as many have mentioned. Remember the former UN inspector (and former USMC Major) that took hell from the Radical Right but was correct in almost every assessment?

Scott Ritter:
"Iraq manufactured three nerve agents: sarin, tabun, and VX. Some people who want war with Iraq describe 20,000 munitions filled with sarin and tabun nerve agents that could be used against Americans. The facts, however, don't support this. Sarin and tabun have a shelf-life of five years. Even if Iraq had somehow managed to hide this vast number of weapons from inspectors, what they are now storing is nothing more than useless, harmless goo.

Chemical weapons were produced in the Muthanna state establishment: a massive chemical weapons factory. It was bombed during the Gulf war, and then weapons inspectors came and completed the task of eliminating the facility. That means Iraq lost its sarin and tabun manufacturing base."

Interpretation: I concur odds are that all of this ado is probably "on the level" (not a planted payload). However, this incident does not give the Right Wing any increased justification for the invasion of Iraq, i.e., this so called nerve agent has been this one lone Artillery round's "payload goo" for the past 15 years, not a dreaded Iraqi WMD.

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:_rgojwbc2NUJ:www.g...
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #110
121. good post..n/t
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #73
80. found in a bag..or exploded..this doesn't add up..

Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt told a news conference the substance had been found in an artillery shell inside a bag discovered by a U.S. convoy a few days ago. The round had exploded, causing a small release of the substance, he said.


"The Iraq Survey Group has confirmed today that a 155 (mm) artillery round containing sarin nerve agent had been found. The round had been rigged as an IED (improvised explosive device) that was discovered by a U.S. force convoy," he said.

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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #73
134. This will probably spring Bush back up again.
The propaganda machine will tell Americans what to think and when to think it: "This is what we were worried about. This is why we went to war."
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Kusala Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:51 AM
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74. David Kay says it's not significant to WMD hunt
Says it's an old leftover 155mm artillery shell from the Iran/Iraq war. Other points he brought up:

1) There are probably others of these out there that just weren't accounted for during the required destruction due to bad inventory methods.
2) Insurgents who rigged as an IED probably did not know what they had, and instead assumed it was a standard explosive artillery shell.
3) Difficult without certain technological abilities, to rig such a shell to allow the chemicals to mix so that the full potential of such a payload can be released correctly. That is why it was only a small amount released.


Of course, it won't stop the "I told you so's" but according to the administration's own WMD man, it's not significant.

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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:59 AM
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76. * said he had "No Intention Of Losing", and 'Meant It'!
Edited on Mon May-17-04 11:02 AM by Paradise
God, it is so obvious!

On a shopping jaunt, and
after her brazen 5-finger discount,
a friend once said to me:
"The obvious is the un-obvious!".
(Does that apply here???) :silly:
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #76
82. old shell, CNN reporter sez
CNN reporter telling Wolf that this appears to be an old shell from pre-Gulf War I. Sez there's no evidence Iraq made any new nerve gas recently. Reminded audience Iraq previously admitted having made sarin-loaded shells years ago.

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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #82
102. thanks for the update, gaugin! :) n/t
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:18 AM
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86. Mustard Gas too now?
CNN on Wolf Blitzer now added that they also found a mustard gas shell 'about ten days ago'. Does the army not keep dates and records anymore for precise times but instead are giving vagaries?

This coming from the same military that has started almost every other report with the words "At X-Time." when reporting most news. Yet now we get vagaries of "A few days ago..." and "About ten days ago..."

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LDS Jock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #86
97. I guess it wasn't a story
until the new Zogby poll numbers came out. YOu would have thought faux news would have been broadcasting a mustard gas shell from 24/7 but yet we never heard of it til today. Hmmm....
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PCGuru Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #86
98. You mean more mustard gas shells...
If you remember, weeks after the invasion, there was a lot of "told-you-so" when the Army found a cache of buried mortar shells. They turned out to be leaky, corroded, and only had traces of mustard remaining. Most likely "hazardous waste" (decommissioned WMD) that was buried for disposal.
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #98
137. Everybody chill out... this is no big deal.
As numerous posters have already pointed out, the shell was simply left over from the Iran-Iraq war and forgotten. The sarin reached the end of its shelf life long ago. The insurgents who planted the bomb almost certainly didn't know what it was.

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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:19 AM
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88. Charles Grassley (R) proves "the fear we had was very real"
Edited on Mon May-17-04 11:20 AM by Danieljay
Duct tape! Plastic sheeting! Store the water! Buy food! Go Shopping! Give me a flippin break. You can bet your @$$ they will play this to the hilt.


"I doubt if it's the tip of the iceberg but it does confirm what we've known ... that he had weapons of mad destruction that he used on his own people," Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, told Fox News. "This does show that the fear we had is very real. Now whether there is much more of this we don't know, Iraq is the size of the state of California."

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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:32 AM
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94. Key sentence here
"He said he believed that insurgents who rigged the artillery shell as a bomb didn't know it contained the nerve agent, and that the dispersal of the nerve agent from such a rigged device was very limited."

Damn terrorists, should know these things...

RL
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remfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #94
100. Well, they know it now n/t
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #100
103. Yep, and the guys who came up with this shell
will be checking all of them and trying to educate themselves on how they work.

They may actually be able to kill some of our guys with these things at some point.
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PCGuru Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #94
101. Uneducated terrorists?
I guess Bush will blame the NEA for not developing better training methods... ;)
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:33 AM
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96. Bush as to do something to keep the base in line. They are falling away.
I bet this gets more coverage than the Israeli rampage in Gaza.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #96
130. Sadly, that rampage will get little traction even here.
Too many Israel-firsters and Sharon apologists here.

:eyes:

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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:56 AM
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104. Memo: Operation Marie Antoinette/Berg unsuccessful in achieving
the projected target goals of poll support and propaganda value. Proceed with Operation Jumping Jack Flash as per our previous discussion.
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peterh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 12:02 PM
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105. 
We have two stories being floated and I suspect theyre one and the same.it seems there may be a couple of Emily Millers out there making phone calls with no coordinationtypical


DJ Iraq Fighters Found With Mustard-Gas Shell 2 Wks Ago -Fox

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--The U.S. group searching for banned weapons in Iraq two
weeks ago found insurgents with a shell that contained mustard gas, Fox News
reports Monday, citing unnamed Bush administration officials.
The report said the Iraqi Survey Group found the shell with insurgents, but
Fox provided no other details about how it was found, and didn't say whether or
not the shell was exploded.
Tests, however, found the mustard gas to be inert, Fox News reported, and
officials think the shell may have been one of 550 that deposed Iraqi president
Saddam Hussein was said to have possessed, but didn't account for in the leadup
to the Iraq war.


DJ UPDATE: Bomb With Sarin Nerve Agent Explodes In Iraq - US

BAGHDAD (AP)--A roadside bomb containing sarin nerve agent exploded near a
U.S. military convoy in Baghdad, the U.S. military said Monday.
It was the first confirmed finding of any of the banned weapons upon which the
U.S. based its case for the Iraq war.
"The Iraqi Survey Group confirmed today that a 155-millimeter artillery round
containing sarin nerve agent had been found," said Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the
chief military spokesman in Iraq. "The round had been rigged as an IED
(improvised explosive device) which was discovered by a U.S. force convoy.
"A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered inoperable. This
produced a very small dispersal of agent," he said. The incident occurred "a
couple of days ago," he said.
"Two explosive ordnance team members were treated for minor exposure to nerve
agent," he said.

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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 12:04 PM
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107. The fact that this happened...
...a few days ago but we're only hearing about it now leads me to suspect that someone needed some time to get their stories straight.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:26 PM
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118. Inert mustard gas??? If I remember my high school lit class correctly
mustard gas caused soldiers to actually cough up pieces of their lungs. If the material in question is inert, wouldn't it be safe to say that it is NOT mustard gas?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:37 PM
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131. "...citing unnamed Bush administration officials." In other words, a lie.
Totally transparent. You can read these fuckers like a book at this point.

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playahata1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 12:04 PM
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106. LET OUR PEOPLE GO HOME -- NOW!
:mad:
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 12:10 PM
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109. There's probably more unaccounted sarin in the USA than Iraq
Remember the ricin scare in Britain last year? Not being up-to-date on ricin, I did a web search. What did I find? That anti-government groups in this country had tried to use it against federal agents by sprinkling it on car door knobs. Antrax? Right here. Sarin? You betcha.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:16 PM
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113. Yawn - This is an old 80s shell, a non-story
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:12 PM
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114. Organophosphate pesticides
are a weakened version of nerve gas. The sarin stored at the Umatilla facility in Oregon has detectors that go off when surrounding farmers spray their fields.

Under the sanctions against Iraq, pesticides were not allowed to be shipped there because they could be used as a weapon.

People exposed to sarin and they did not die? my bet is someone got a hold of some of the organophosphate pesticides that the military and Halliburton have taken into the country.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:20 PM
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115. Sold to Iraq by RUMMY, Saint Ronnie, and Dow...
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:21 PM
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116. Beep-beep-beep-beep-beep-beep....
My BS Detector is on High Alert.
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phasev Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:22 PM
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117. Faux News claims that WMDs have been found
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html

Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq
Monday, May 17, 2004

The front page of http://www.foxnews.com has the following headlines:

"U.S. Confirms WMDs Found in Iraq"


This neocon outlet is too quick to jump to conclusions.
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:28 PM
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119. god I hate that network
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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:33 PM
Original message
Someone should do a quiz on fox news watchers
compared to real news watchers, and show how mis-informed they are. Like those geography tests that show like 70% of americans don't know where iraq is.

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:40 PM
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124. The PIPA study Oct.2003 (Welcome to DU)
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/kaymcfadden/20017...

A just-released report by the University of Maryland's Program on International Policy (PIPA) finds a majority of respondents have misperceptions about the war.*

The results show 48 percent incorrectly believed that evidence of links between al-Qaida and Iraq has been found; 22 percent that weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq; and 25 percent that world opinion favored the United States going to war with Iraq.

A walloping 60 percent overall held one or more of these misperceptions.

"The more closely you followed Fox, the more misperceptions you had," said Clay Ramsay, PIPA research director. "No other news outlet came anywhere near that."

He said that in a separate examination of viewers citing Fox as their primary source, 45 percent held all three misperceptions.

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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 07:31 AM
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142. Thanks. Saved the link. nt
nt
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peterh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:58 PM
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125. 
Editor of the Los Angeles Times on Saturday..regarding pseudo-journalism.hes not hiding his feelings about Faux.Bravo Mr. Carroll.


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-ca...



America's river of public discourse if I may extend this figure of speech is polluted by our mistakes. A good newspaper cleans up after itself..

..I'm inspired to squeeze one last bit of mileage out of our river metaphor: If Fox News were a factory situated, say, in Minneapolis, it would be trailing a plume of rotting fish all the way to New Orleans.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:44 PM
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132. Rotting fish and ummm... other stuff too
Rotting fish is rather kind of you.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:31 PM
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120. well here you have it boys and girls...
the distraction begins! We knew this was going to happen, it was just a matter of when. The Bush regime will stop at nothing to maintain power. This is only the beginning...expect more to come. Its total propaganda BS and the sad thing is.. there is a good chance Americans will buy it.
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:33 PM
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122. Osama waiting in the wings
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:16 PM
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129. Wayne's Auburn Board is watching
Everybody wave and say "Hi"
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Rochambeau Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 06:40 PM
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133. FAUX News is chilling out a bit
2 hours ago the headline on their site was "WMDs found in Iraq", now it is "Sarin, Mustard gas found in Iraq"...

http://www.foxnews.com /

What does that mean ? ;)
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 08:25 PM
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138. Wow
what a surprise

/sarcasm

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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 08:29 PM
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139. Blix says it was probably taken from a dump.
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 05:35 AM
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141. thia is already a non-news news event
it has left the front pages of the web news sites
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74dodgedart Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 08:07 AM
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143. Ok, we found a shell. Can we leave now ?
I feel safer already
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