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guajira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:07 AM
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CNN Breaking - Hecklers Disrupting Rumsfeld Hearings!
Edited on Fri May-07-04 11:39 AM by guajira
Lady starts shouting and was marched out of hearing. Fantastic!!

snippet:
Rumsfeld had scarcely uttered his opening apology when protesters interrupted him.

"Fire Rumsfeld," some yelled before they were hustled from the room.

Rumsfeld sat calmly in his seat while the room was quieted.
more....

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/8607028.htm
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:08 AM
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1. saw it on cspan, looked like about 10 or so people
they had signs.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:10 AM
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7. Looked like 10-15 people - yah for them!!
Remember the recount rioters in Miami-Dade. We can do it, too.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:47 PM
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68. BRAVE BRAVE PEOPLE
Edited on Fri May-07-04 12:57 PM by saigon68









THE DEPT OF FASCIST HOMELAND SECURITY WILL SOON ATTEMPT TO RUIN THESE PEOPLE.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:20 PM
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78. I like the pink sign!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:39 PM
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93. Good for them. Thanks for these great views.
They're very brave, knowing our domestic intelligence people compile folders on anyone who speaks out, and that they will ALWAYS be watched for years, no doubt.

It can be damned rough expressing your real beliefs, can't it?
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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:09 AM
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2. Fire Rumsfeld!
Edited on Fri May-07-04 11:09 AM by varun
She was good! and then they unfurled that sign...Fire Rumsfeld!
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:14 AM
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13. Was fabric
which she was able to have folded before entering and kept up in the air while leaving. Great idea! Rummy and his gang KNOW they're in trouble. Let it ALL come out!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:09 AM
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3. They demanded his head
and this was seen across the world

People saw we do not aprove, even if this was ten people
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:12 AM
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10. Absolutely..
took Rummy by surprise. You could see the fire in his eyes. At least they said what they wanted & were yelling "what about the other abuses" before they were escorted out..
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madeuplikebowie Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:19 AM
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22. Also shouting
"War Crimes"
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 04:28 PM
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100. Every little bit helps
in this fight to restore integrity and credibility. Fire them all. Now. Then we have a chance to re-build, rsore, repair, recompense.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:10 AM
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4. I can't stop crying, it was so emotional I am in shock
and awe and I really cannot stop crying it was so beautiful, wow, there went my heros loud and clear! BEAUTIFUL
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:19 AM
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24. ok, shucks, I admit it, I'm crying too
glad I'm not the only one.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:10 AM
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5. It was a group pf protesters
Great! I wonder what organization they were from! We need more of this!
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adadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:10 AM
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6. Cheered them on from home
Brave souls to stand up for the victims.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:11 AM
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8. Called him a war criminal.
I couldn't understand what she said initially. But they were yelling "Fire Rumsfeld", etc at him. It sounded like she asked a question at the beginning, but i couldn't understand it. Way to go!

Frankly, I think the protestors are doing a favor for the rest of the US, inspite of the negative press they will likely receive for this "disruption". The protestors are demonstrating that there are people here who care and that we all aren't like the prison guards or interrogators (or whomever) that committed these dispicable acts.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:11 AM
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9. Was Code Pink there?
I thought I saw a protester waving a pink hat...
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:13 AM
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12. There was a pink hat and pink sign....it was great....what courage!
Edited on Fri May-07-04 11:14 AM by Gin
gin

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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:14 AM
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15. It probably was Code Pink, that sounds like
something they'd do. That took a lot of guts to do, good for them. I was amazed when I saw that even the Washington Post was calling for his resignation; that's the last paper I would have expected it from.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:14 AM
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16. I saw pink too
A pink shirt?
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:19 AM
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21. I'd have liked to see some of that during the 911
hearings. I saw the pink straw hat too. What does it mean (if anything)_laughing!

I would have liked to hear the pResident apologize for 911. I would have liked to hear anyone in our current Government apologize for 911.

I suppose this is more important for the pResident to apologize for because it involves the WORLD . . . not just the American People.
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Wheaty Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:22 PM
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59. It was Code Pink
It was code pink. They've got a picture up on their website now of it

http://www.codepink4peace.org/
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:12 AM
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11. Code Pink?
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:23 PM
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60. Yes, it was Code Pink
You go girls!!!


CODEPINK Disrupts Rumsfeld Hearing

As Donald Rumsfeld was giving evidence to the congressional committee CODEPINK Co-Founder Gael Murphy, along with others, stood up and started to chant "Fire Rumsfeld."




http://www.codepink4peace.org/
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:14 AM
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14. Fire Rumsfeld!
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #14
95. That is FANTASTIC. Rummy, Kissinger and Ford with a geisha!!!
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:16 AM
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17. NPR immediately covered it up with nervous rambling to prevent hearing it.
National Petroleum Radio made a transparent attempt to make the protest a non-event with no impact.

Fucking NPR has way too many comments from the Heritage Foundation and other RW shills lately.

Just disgusting.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #17
30. C-SPAN vs. NPR
Why grab an apple from the store when you can just as easily pull it off the tree?
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Sentath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:41 PM
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66. because the limbs don't reach the bucket truck's radio? n/t
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:17 AM
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18. Darn, I missed it. :( n/t
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:17 AM
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19. Seen on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, FOX and Cspan
Yay. I am so moved at their bravery, and of the young girl who shouted him down at the other hearing a few months ago. Then he just smirked and said "Don't you love freedom of speech?" This time he is not so arrogant.

Of course it did not stop him from going on about how terrible people are who "kill innocent men, women, children."

Meyers is saying now that the whole military is suffering from shame. Maybe they wouldn't be if the higher ups had taken responsibility for this from the beginning and not passed the buck onto the grunts.

WTF is up with Warner? "Good statement , general." WTF, what is he, the hearings cheerleader?
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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #19
97. Bear in mind. Rummy had a private meeting with Repuke Committee members
Warner and his Repuke buddies on the Senate Committee had a little dress rehearsal with Rummy the day before...had to get their stories straight and provide cues for Rummy.

JB
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:17 AM
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20. Let the disruptions continue!
HELL FUCKIN YEAH!!

:bounce:
dbt
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:19 AM
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23. Link, Darlings
We need a link, pronto, to a published article.
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LionInWinter Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:31 AM
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39. Here's a link ...
http://us.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/07/politics.abuse...

A group of protesters interrupted Rumsfeld's opening statement with chants of "Fire Rumsfeld!" before they were led away by security personnel.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:38 AM
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45. another link..
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:19 AM
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that was jaw dropping
saw it as it happened.

FIRE THE LIARS!!
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Tracer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:19 AM
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25. "War Criminal!" "War Criminal!"
I could clearly hear them shouting.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:20 AM
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26. No way!!
Who would question the steady leadership of the members of the Bush Administration?

;)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:20 AM
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27. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:21 AM
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28. Buh-bye
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:23 AM
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29. Say goodbye to oxygen. nt
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:24 AM
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31. What, exactly, is an 'Islamist?'
Edited on Fri May-07-04 11:25 AM by kgfnally
And while you're answering that, remember that we support our troops here, but also feel free to condemn reprehensible individual actions, just like Trent Lott encouraged patriotic Americans to feel free to do.

IOW, we support our soldiers, but we do NOT support the Chimp in Chief or the Secretary of Offense.

*ping*

edit: wow. Mods are fast today.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:27 AM
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35. Hmmm...
My heart bleeds watching you people root for the Islamists!!!

I think, to this guy, an Islamist is anyone who won't kiss Bush's butt without running for the antiseptic afterwards.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:25 AM
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32. Yet another case of idiotic "Either-Or" thinking
So if I criticize Rumsfeld, I'm giving ammo to the Iraqi insurgents to shoot American soldiers - is that what you're saying?

Welcome to DU. Now wise up and pay attention.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #27
33. Rumsfelds' incompetence has helped the "Islamists"
far more than any liberal every could.
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #33
63. Rumsfeld and Bush are the Islamists' best friend!!!
the idiocy coming out of this White House seem like they're MEANT to strengthen extremist forces, as if they are MEANT to discredit the US in the eyes of the world...

Hmmm. Maybe the entire Bush regime is a deeply undercover Al Qaeda cell :tinfoilhat:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #27
34. ADIOS
see ya
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #27
70. Bye, Kerretarded
He bragged about his hit on DU over at FR
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #70
91. Gosh, that is pathetic isn't it?
You get one idiotic post put up, it gets deleted after a minute and that is something to brag about in freeperhell? LOl
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:28 AM
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36. FIRE Rumsfeld......He lied under oath.....AGAIN
get the transcripts check for your self. his opening statements contained several out right lies
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:31 AM
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40. And he's lying right now.
Throw him and the entire gang of war criminals in the slammer where they belong!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:30 AM
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37. I don't know who those people were but I LOVE THEM!!!!
Edited on Fri May-07-04 11:34 AM by Just Me
:loveya:

Those hecklers are living proof that there are truly caring people in this country!!!

BTW Rummy could NOT avoid being arrogant when he went on his rant lecturing those who are critical about this mess. Go straight to hell you heartless asswipe.

On edit: we would definitely qualify as a "terrorist organization" per Rummy's terms - he uses a VERY broad brush and throws the word "terrorist" around like its candy for consumption by the general public.
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patalicat Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:30 AM
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38. that tingling... light headed feeling when I saw it...
I thought I had forgotten what it meant to care about this country... nope there it was and I wish each of them the best of fortune forever THEY ARE ** REAL ** Americans and more importantly, respectable human beings. xoxo - Patrick

ps... im too young, vietnam to me is a collection of documentaries... is this real enough?

<insert divided sky here>
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:33 AM
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41. Heard it on CSPAN radio and loved it!
I don't know who this group was but they have guts for doing this. It's about time the protests kicked in.
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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:34 AM
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42. Is Rummy testifying under oath????
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #42
46. Yes, he and Meyers were placed under oath. n/t
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:37 AM
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43. I heard them on NPR while I was driving
:thumbsup:
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:37 AM
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44. nah nah nah hey hey hey good bye!!!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:47 AM
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47. Is he under oath??
I was asleep..and the hecklers woke me up :)..Love it..He's not nearly as "confident" as he usually appears .. :)
Mc Cain is no Rummy fan :)
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patalicat Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #47
50. McCain has the look of honesty in his eyes
im not a pro at figuring out a "real" person who has deliberately chosen to place himself in the atmosphere of true evil.. but from what I know about him and from what I just saw... thanks John!

Here's Teddddd......... xoxo- Patrick


<insert divided sky here>
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:53 AM
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51. yep.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #51
56. AAH A PHOTO OF DUMMY AND RUMMY
I wonder if the guy in the bus driver suit read the report YET?
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:48 AM
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48. Go Senator Kennedy
Rummy is sooo screwed.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:50 AM
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49. Kennedy: "When did you know it?" MAGIC WORDS!!!!
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patalicat Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #49
54. THERE IT IS! The Timeline... and rummy oath problem!
Rummy simply lied under oath... now I pray that democrats carpe diem NOW. Senator Byrd is now beginning to force the rattle... call it a wet dream.. but Id love to see Rummy play Nicholson and "next in line" play Cruise... call me a fucker but I want to see power played out until its scary! xoxo- Patrick

<insert divided sky here>
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Comadreja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:59 AM
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52. I saw it break on Al-Jazeera Website
The Arabs desperately need to see more of this to know that there are still decent Americans with guts, like Rachel Corrie.

Liberty is meaningless where the right to utter ones thoughts and opinions has ceased to exist. That, of all rights, is the dread of tyrants. It is the right which they first of all strike down: Frederick Douglass



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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #52
55. I'd like to caption your pic with
"Sit still. You'll only feel a little prick. Think about it.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:01 PM
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53. Your Miami Herald link says nothing about protestors
Was the story changed by the miami herald?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #53
61. Maybe you didn't read carefully enough before you posted your question
Here's the reference in the article referring to the protestors:
Rumsfeld had scarcely uttered his opening apology when protesters interrupted him.

"Fire Rumsfeld," some yelled before they were hustled from the room.

Rumsfeld sat calmly in his seat while the room was quieted.
(snip)
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #61
64. that's in the post, not the article
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #64
87. I copied and pasted the quote FROM the article. n/t
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guajira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:25 PM
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79. Yes!! Just Re-read Article and My Quote was NOT There!!
Is this story being censored??? WTF???
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:03 PM
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86. Yes, it looks like the Miami Herald took out the protestors' verbiage
White House phones must be gettting a lot of use today. Check out my sig line
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:13 PM
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88. Maybe they've changed some of the material AROUND it, but it's there
Here's a larger section, with the quote in the middle, to help you locate it. I just went there and copied and pasted it:
McCain also asked what instructions had been given to the MPs, some of whom appear in the photographs. The question goes to the heart of the findings in an internal Army report that the prison guards were told to "soften up" prisoners so they would be more cooperative during interrogations.

Rumsfeld had scarcely uttered his opening apology when protesters interrupted him.

"Fire Rumsfeld," some yelled before they were hustled from the room.

Rumsfeld sat calmly in his seat while the room was quieted.


Moments earlier, he added his personal apology to Bush's.

"I feel terrible about what happened to these Iraqi detainees. They are human beings. They were in U.S. custody," he said.

"To those Iraqis who were mistreated by the U.S. armed forces, I offer my deepest apology."
(snip)
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:19 PM
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89. My head is spinning
I read the article a few hours ago and could not find the mention of the protestors, so I posted about it. Later, I went back to the Miami Herald.com site, and then they wanted me to begin a registration process. I did not feel like doing that just to straighten out this mild quandry, so I did not do a registration.

What is curious is why I was able to get in without registering a few hours ago. (How much trouble is it worth to straighten this out??)
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:24 PM
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90. Now it's back in there and the article is twice as long
And the Miami Herald has a new subscriber, a Mister Donald Duck, born 1924 in the Disney Studios.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 04:21 PM
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98. LMAO
does Donald have a password worth sharing, by any chance?
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:00 PM
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103. He's not saying how many quacks.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:16 PM
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57. Whoah, clarification on application of the Geneva Convention:
It applies to everyone except ?Taliban?
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patalicat Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:22 PM
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58. Lieberman = nails on chalkboard
christ... ho joe once again looks like hes purdy playin politician.. no thought, no intent... nothing. I don't subscribe to the wolf in sheeps clothing idea but only because he stopped thinking years ago... cost an election, threw in the chips and at least still enjoys his mugly butterface grimacing... and thats where it will be.

roy moore needs a buddy & fucko lieberman needs a warm stick xoxo - patrick

<insert divided sky here>
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:30 PM
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62. Good Lieberman observation.
I would change one thing: I think he's more like a mildewed sponge in sheep's clothing.

What a disappointment to the Democratic Party.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:36 PM
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65. Someone needs to ask Rummy WHY this was not brought ,...
,...to the attention of Congress and MAKE him answer the question. He keeps skirting by stating that it was "published" (meaning a single statement of possible abuses) to the whole world. Well, bullshit. Why wasn't the matter FULLY and TRANSPARENTLY placed before Congress?

My answer is that they covered it up just like they have covered all sorts of other shit up. But, I want Rummy to answer the question.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:42 PM
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67. He never did answer it n/t
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:50 PM
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69. He also needs to answer WHO decided NOT to present this to congress.
He is using ALOT of "I don't remember" and "I don't know" and "I'm not going to talk about private discussions" and diversionary tactics only the most expert criminal would use.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:00 PM
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73. It's obviously the national command group
Chimp, Rummy and Myers. This is clear from Myers and Rummys vague dateless descriptions of discussions.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 04:02 PM
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96. published my butt
This was the old crap they did in the Enron scandal. They put major, significant information about their myriad partnerships in their legal SEC reports, but in tiny obscure footnotes that could barely be deciphered if you were a fortuneteller, much less a financial analyst. Then they claimed they followed the law and "it was in there."

Nope.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:54 PM
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71. Rumsfeld was blah-blahing,woman started yelling:"WHAT ABOUT ALL
Edited on Fri May-07-04 01:15 PM by Algorem
THE OTHER ABUSES IN IRAQ?!WHAT ABOUT(I couldn't make it out,maybe something about "the Florida Congressman"?)?!ARE YOU INVESTIGATING THAT?!LOOK AT ALL OF THE ABUSES IN IRAQ!YOU ARE...she was drowned out as the others started shouting the chant:"FIRE RUMSFELD!WAR CRIMINAL! FIRE RUMSFELD!WAR CRIMINAL!....and they continued chant,and some yelled other things(like "INVESTIGATE EVERYTHING!") as they went peacefully out,led by the cops in front and behind,from the 2 rows where they had originally been sitting before they started it.There were at least 8 of them.The woman originally shouting was wearing a pink t-shirt with "FIRE RUMSFELD" on back,pink FIRE RUMSFELD sign... http://codepink.utne.com /
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:00 PM
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72. They have confirmed that much worse is yet to come.
Apparently there is video which shows much, much worse.

Under this evil leadership, our country, her image and her people, have been disasterously wounded.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:31 PM
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80. ...and Rummy doesn't want the videos shown!
"Be on notice," he warned the committee neared the end of an appearance that lasted more than two hours.

"There are a lot more photographs and videos that exist," he said. "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse."


In other words, censor the images and videos so as not to "make matters worse." Typical Republican attack machine. If the news media publish the images, then the fault shifts to the news media, not the perpetrators.

We have to clean house of these a$$holes. Firing Rumsfeld is not nearly enough. We need to fire the whole lot of them.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:50 PM
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84. There are a lot more photographs and videos that exist
"There are a lot more photographs and videos that exist," he said. "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse."

THEY WILL BE LEAKED AND I WILL SEE THEY GO EVERYWHERE

THIS OLD SCUM and the Bus Driver scum are covering up WAR CRIMES

"MAKE MATTERS WORSE" for What for WHO ?--- the Truth? or the People?
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:09 PM
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74. Hecklers were Code Pink
Protesters Heckle Rumsfeld at Iraq Abuse Hearing

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Protesters heckled Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Friday, shouting, "Fire Rumsfeld for war crimes" at a congressional hearing to probe the Pentagon's handling of the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal.

The seven protesters, members of the grass-roots group CodePink Women for Peace, disrupted Rumsfeld's testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee by standing, chanting and raising their hands and pointing at the defense secretary.

"We want Rumsfeld fired and there should be a wider investigation of the brutality of this investigation," said Gail Murphy, one of the group's founders.

At least person wore a T-shirt with "Fire Rumsfeld" written on the back, and another carried a sign with those words.

"Our purpose of being in the hearing was to make it known to the senators and the American public that we are appalled," Murphy said by telephone. "He (Rumsfeld) has known about it but has done nothing about it until it was leaked publicly."

The group was allowed to interrupt the hearing for a few minutes before being guided to the exit.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040...
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:18 PM
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77. Those women are so courageous. I really admire their courage. n/t
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:13 PM
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75. Another misrepresentation: We don't want to stay over there.
What about your neocon-backed PNAC, you evil moron?
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patalicat Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:15 PM
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76. Elizabeth Dole... that cold and wet va... whor* ... non-human!!!
sorry for the ugly & graphic header... repub & democrat together... imho she is the first to show blind loyalty to a dark nothingness... anyone with a sense of kindness... recognition of reality and dumb understanding of life can see that beating the living shit out of another human being... might just be simply wrong; regardless, its a horrible f*cking thing. I'll gander the thought that--> yes... troops from West Virginia are a little upset that their duty isn't as quick and clean as planned... and they felt a bit teeny poopy pants. BULLSHIT! This Is Not War.. This is an invasion that didn't go as planned... and if this is it---> the WORST case scenario of reality... por favor let it cause something... a little change is better than no change... Fire Rummy Now!

xoxo- Patrick

<insert divided sky now>
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patalicat Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:49 PM
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82. the end was shielded... again a shame
i try to live my life as best I can--> software designer(laid off) --> tech... (thanks gateway...) once again... laid off
its very fu*king scary and moreso upsetting that here is the truth of what we live... live truthfully YOU WILL DROWN! BUT! scam and screw and lie... comfort, hugs, and back rubs fly outta a old white guy's ass... i don't like being negative, but its sickening when outright wrongdoing is muddled down with politics... and moreso with the media covering it... I tell my fiance sometimes I want to kill... and she reminds me that I'm wrong to say that... where is change?

xoxo- Patrick


<insert divided sky here>
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duvinnie Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 04:37 PM
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101. hi and
welcome to DU :hi:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:37 PM
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81. Meyers got his ass chewed for suppressing the information.
Rummy called it "an editorial request". Made me laugh my ass off.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:46 PM
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94. MYERS HIDING ANAL RAPE OF 16 YEAR OLD TAPE
Someone will leak that bad boy
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:50 PM
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83. Transcript: Rumsfeld Text on Iraqi Prisoner Abuse
Rumsfeld Text on Iraqi Prisoner Abuse
By The Associated Press

A text of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's opening remarks before the Senate Armed Services Committee on Friday, as transcribed by eMediaMillWorks Inc.:

RUMSFELD: Mr. Chairman, members of the committee, in recent days there has been a good deal of discussion about who bears responsibility for the terrible activities that took place at Abu Ghraib. These events occurred on my watch. As secretary of defense, I am accountable for them and I take full responsibility.

It's my obligation to evaluate what happened, to make sure that those who have committed wrongdoing are brought to justice, and to make changes as needed to see that it doesn't happen again.

I feel terrible about what happened to these Iraqi detainees. They are human beings. They were in U.S. custody. Our country had an obligation to treat them right. We didn't, and that was wrong.

So to those Iraqis who were mistreated by members of the U.S. armed forces, I offer my deepest apology. It was inconsistent with the values of our nation. It was inconsistent with the teachings of the military, to the men and women of the armed forces. And it was certainly fundamentally un-American.

(more)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040...
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:53 PM
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85. Wow, I hope they don't end up like
the young man who shouted "Ask about the drugs!" during the Iran-Contra hearing.

He had to serve jail time, as I recall.
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DianeK Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:37 PM
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92. it would be interesting to know
how the hell they got in there...that was clearly a serious breach of security! has anything been reported on how that was accomplished? and what did they do with them once they ushered them out?
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 06:10 PM
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102. The hearing was open to the public, I imagine.
You just need to get there early enough in case the room fills up.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 04:24 PM
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99. What other adminstration has had things like this?
At age 65, I cannot remember any administration causing so much turmoil. Bt the big question is, why do so many still support these obvious inept "leaders"?
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