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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:54 PM
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Nato force 'feeds Kosovo sex trade' (Guardian),2763,1211248,0...

Btw, DYN CORP has the contract for Iraqi police and corrections, like it had in Bosnia.
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:08 PM
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1. It's freedom....
it's capitalism, it's looting, it's fun, it's a free market.

I guess this will re-unite the USA with Europe: let's bring freedom and free markets to Iraq and Kosovo. We have so much in common, when it comes to torture and liberating oppressed people. Let's forget our disagreements! Let's celebrate the freedom to discuss, if these slaves are really worth 2,000, or if we should outsource.

But Milosevic was evil...

Hello from Germany,

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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:16 PM
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2. We had a discussion about overseas soldiers and sex about a month
Edited on Thu May-06-04 10:19 PM by dArKeR

What idiot would think people would have stop having sex for 6 months, 1 year, 2 years? Just tell me what kind of ignorrant idiot would say that? Ooops. No political leader say it. We just pretend this fact does NOT exist.

Sex is a normal part of life. But don't give the troops condoms! That would stop all aid to the country the soldiers are in. Bush's rules.

Just as I said long ago. Where are the women in Iraq for our troops to make love with? Are there any caucasin women? If not, our soldiers will find Iraqi women to make love with. Just as they did in Vietnam and Korea.
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:35 PM
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4. Then send some American and German patriotic, heroic
women with them, to fullfill their needs, along with the condoms.

For the Americans, who became Marines, one of the top reasons to chose this job is the chance to rape women.
Read "Jarhead", if you don't believe this:

Jarhead: A Marine's Chronicle of the Gulf War and Other Battles
Anthony Swofford

"This book is a perfect example of how disgusting the American military is. It's funny how all the patriotic reviewers say how realistic it is. That says a lot. It really shows how much rape, racism and brutality are drilled into the "jarheads". Utterly revolting. Important to read."

And the same is true for the German soldiers in Kosovo, who largely abused women there, often not even 16 years old.

All these Bush-loving slaves, who are taught to not have sex before or outside marriage, I feel so pitty for these God blessed tortureres and rapists in uniforms.

Hello from Germany,

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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 04:26 PM
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13. a Thai sociologist I know ...
... says that prostitution was nowhere near the massive "sex industry" it's become in her country, prior to the Vietnam war. The US military needed a "safe" R&R place for the troops, that wasn't too far from the front -- so they actually encouraged the sex trade in Thailand. The local cultures may not be as militant about sex and drugs as Islamic societies seem to be, but it has caused significant conflict. (For example, the shame felt by traditional families when daughters go to work in big-city brothels ... and that's not even counting the selling/abduction of young women.) My friend says that she cannot travel to conferences in the States without Customs looking at her passport and either grilling her about her occupation, or making unpleasant jokes about whether she's secretly a prostitute.

Just another example of the long-term cultural and economic impacts that can result from large-scale troop deployments ...
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 05:14 PM
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14. "MAKE LOVE"????
Did you happen to bother to read the article linked, or did you just get up on your hobbyhorse and go off on a frolic of your own here?

(For the literarily minded, think D.H. Lawrence's The Rocking Horse Winner.)

Kosovo soon became a major destination country for women trafficked into forced prostitution. ... Up to 2,000 women are estimated to have been coerced into sex slavery in Kosovo ...

Women were bought and sold for up to 2,000 and then kept in appalling conditions as slaves by their "owners", Amnesty said. They were routinely raped "as a means of control and coercion", beaten, held at gunpoint, robbed, and kept in darkened rooms unable to go out.

Apart from women trafficked into Kosovo, there is a worsening problem with girls abducted locally. A Kosovo support group working with victims reported that a third of these locals were under 14, and 80% were under 18.
Would YOU, you personally, engage in sexual intercourse with a 13-year-old who had been abducted and held against her will and subjected to all manner of violence, and call this MAKING LOVE???

Allow me to assume that you would not. Why, then, would you try to present what the men in issue here are doing to women and girls in these circumstances as "making love" -- or even "having sex"?

"Sex is a normal part of life." Yes indeed. And for these girls and women and hundreds of thousands like them all over the world, being forcibly confined and beaten and raped by these poor victimized, "love"-starved troops on whose behalf you're whining is a normal part of life.

Here I thought that Amurika was all about your freedom ending where my nose begins, and all that blah. What exactly is it about brown-skinned, non-English-speaking women that puts them outside this great principle? Why is it that their safety and well-being and bodies and lives -- their freedom, to put it in a way that a USAmerican constitution-thumper might get it -- matters nothing compared to the "freedom" of the great white male to get his rocks off?

I'd ask what those champions of liberty, Thomas Jefferson and the boys, might say ... but we actually know the answer to that. Exploiting and victimizing women of colour is a long and honourable tradition in some quarters.

My disgust at this absolutely vicious disregard for the well-being of vulnerable and brutalized girls and women rivals my disgust for the perpetrators of the horrific abuse themselves.

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TexasMexican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:32 PM
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3. Prostitution should be legal.
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:40 PM
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5. You live in a country, where people are not allowed to
Edited on Thu May-06-04 10:46 PM by Dirk39
dance in a disco, to smoke in a pub, to take their beer out on the streets...
But Kosovo and Iraq just turns you into a progressive liberal:
Prostitution should be legal as long as it is about some idiotic soldiers being part of an illegal war and the involuntary prostituts are minor-age slaves.
This must be freedom.
Why don't they f*ck this brownshirt that has become so popular all over the world for what she did in that liberated prison in Iraq.
I guess you would have made the same comments about the "Joy Divisions" in the German concentration camps, or maybe not?

Are you really informed about, what especially German soldiers did in Kosovo with involuntary prostituts? Did you ever think about the reasons, THESE women have to be prostituts. At least be honest and tell it like it is: Rape should be legal!

Freedom should be legal, but first in the USA,
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 04:32 AM
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22. So that's where Joy Division's name came from...
awesome band, appropriately punk/gothic name. uses the ironically named horrible rape divisions of troops during WWII germany. shows their disgust and horror for the state of man, hidden in plain sight due to the amnesia of modern life.

hmm, funny, all this time and i now find out about the origins of their name...

*sigh* sounds like the comment my ethics professor quoted from an investigative journalist who was in sarajevo before the coming of the US troops and coalition. when the announcement was made there was a flurry of construction in preparation. curious, the investigator asks what are they doing. the reply he gets is that they are building the brothels as fast as they can, because they know exactly what a huge influx of soldiers brings.

the world moves to a new, faster beat, but the heart of mankind still beats to the coarse tune.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:48 PM
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6. Canada: Change laws
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:45 PM
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8. God!
"Prostitution involving consenting adults needs to be decriminalized in Canada" (your link)

That's not about "prostitution involving consenting adults", that's about rape and forced "prostitution" under circumstances that are much different.
How can you compare these situations?

If there's any kind of sarcasm than it's about those killers in uniform, who murder for a regime, more puritan one can imagine, and you have no better idea than to defend their rights to fuck everything that moves.

Send Britney Spears to that troops and America's most popular porn-acting woman:

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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:13 PM
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18. Would that make the SLAVERY involved, what? just disappear?
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:51 PM
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7. oy weh
Here is the full report from amnesty:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:19 AM
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Edited on Fri May-07-04 12:24 AM by seemslikeadream

Colum Lynch, Washington Post: In the five years since international police officers were sent to Bosnia to help restore law and order, the U.N. police mission there has faced numerous charges of misconduct, corruption and sexual impropriety. But in virtually every case, the allegations have been hushed up by sending officers home, often without a full investigation, according to internal U.N. reports and interviews with U.S. and European officials . . . But some U.N. and European officials question the wisdom of shifting responsibility onto the international police force without first addressing its flaws, including low recruitment standards, a hazy command structure and the ability of individual officers to act with near impunity . . . Among the 1,832 U.N. police in Bosnia are 161 officers from the United States. Although the record of the U.S. contingent is no worse than others, senior American officials acknowledge serious problems in selecting and training U.S. police officers to serve in Bosnia. That job has been given to a private, Texas-based corporation, Dyn Corp Technical Services, under an exclusive, $15 million annual contract with the State Department. In the past year alone, at least three American policemen were removed from the Bosnian mission for sexual misconduct and exceeding their authority, according to U.N. officials. In prior cases, several other U.S. officers had been forced to resign under suspicion of committing statutory rape, abetting prostitution and accepting valuable gifts from Bosnian officials. Yet none was prosecuted. The most serious punishment imposed on an American officer was dismissal and the loss of a $4,600 bonus. Asked about the allegations, Dyn Corp issued a statement voicing disappointment "that the misconduct of a few individuals has cast a shadow on the more than 2,000 police monitors who have helped to achieve the U.N. mission to rebuild these nations."


Oil, Colombias Black Gold

As the oil supply in the world is dwindling, the US has adopted a fundamental shift in the reliance on imported oil from the Middle East. It focuses on such countries as Colombia to provide the quantities the US needs to secure its consumption which experts say will rise from 18 to 25 million barrels per day. Washington has been increasingly turning to private US firms to carry out military missions in Colombia. At least six US firms now work with Colombian security forces, either hired directly or under contracts with the US departments of State and Defense. Israeli Defense Industry also has several contracts in Colombia, mostly in the communications and electronics firm.
Northrop Grumman of Los Angeles provides and unknown number of US citizens that operate and maintain five radar stations in eastern and southern Colombia that track suspected drug smuggling flights. But by far the largest firm operating in Colombia is DynCorp, with reported annual revenues of $12 million and 2,000 retired generals, admirals and other officers on call. It was hired by the US State Department six years ago under a reported $600 million contract to support coca eradication programs in Colombia. DynCorp provides pilots for herbicide fumigation planes and helicopter gunships that protect the spray missions. Dyn Corp is actively working with the Colombia military to suppress, killed and displaced the population.
While the slaughter of workers, peasants, afro and indigenous population goes on, the Colombian government has extended open arms to foreign investment, Canadian corporations responded beamingly by investing billions of dollars in Colombia in the economic sector where official repression is the greatest, oil-gas and telecommunications. This repression is in response to the opposition by the labour movement to the neo-liberal privatization policies.

The defoliant used in the spraying is contaminating the rivers and lakes, with humidity and rain it runs into the amazon contaminating the water supply in neighboring countries such as Ecuador, Peru, and others. It affects the enzyme system in the body producing tumors in the thyroid, pancreas, liver and in the testicular area affecting the production of healthy sperm. It took 40 years in Vietnam to see the nightmarish results of agent orange in babies and adultsin the case of Colombia we cannot wait 40 years we must denounce and expose this NOW !!! Peasants, indigenous and afro-Colombians are specially targeted in these sprayings, they happen to live in the most rich and diverse areas of Colombia. The afro-Colombian communities are military targets of paramilitary units terrorizing the population, committing horrendous massacres, massacres are a common event in El Choco, and the Pacific region
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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:22 AM
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10. tortured, raped, abused and then criminalised, Amnesty International said
Funny that those here would trivialize this with humor and misdirection. Rape is rape!!
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:10 AM
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11. UNMIK Denies Amnesty Allegations
UNMIK Denies Amnesty Allegations

There is no statement yet up on UNMIK's site. It has not been updated since Wednesday.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:28 AM
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12. Computer Sciences Corp snapped up DynCorp
Edited on Fri May-07-04 08:52 AM by seemslikeadream
Prior to this in December, Computer Sciences Corp snapped up DynCorp for $1 billion. /

New allegations in Iraq mobile network saga
By Guy Kewney,
Published Friday 30th April 2004 10:03 GMT
Excitable American reports are suggesting that the attempts made last year by Congressman Darrel Issa to point "reconstruction" money in the direction of Qualcomm were not a silly season joke by one person, but an organised strategy, which may continue.

In a report in the LA Times (free reg needed) it is alleged that a "senior Defense Department official is under investigation by the Pentagon inspector general for allegations that he attempted to alter a contract proposal in Iraq to benefit a mobile phone consortium that includes friends and colleagues."

The original Issa story simply reported that the Congressman, who represents a constituency full of Qualcomm employees, was anxious to get Qualcomm-owned CDMA technology used in Iraq instead of "French" GSM phone systems.

Now, Issa is being mentioned as a bit-part player in the new saga of this official, who is being investigated.

The official is named: the LA Times says he is John A. Shaw, 64, the deputy undersecretary for international technology security. The allegation is simple: "He sought to transform a relatively minor police and fire communications proposal into a contract allowing the creation of an Iraq-wide commercial cellular network that could generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue per year," according to the paper's sources.

more /
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 07:54 PM
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15. Same thing in Bosnia, see here:

DynCorp enslaving and selling 12 year old girls, and no one was punished...
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:39 PM
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16. Moreover, for her determined pursuit of these DYN CORP perverts
Mary Robinson was removed from her position at UNHRC!

And DYN CORP has the contract for Iraqi police and corrections :grr:
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:07 PM
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17. is that right?
Do you have a source about Mary Robinson and the UNHRC?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:06 AM
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20. Here ya go.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:42 AM
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21. I'm not seeing the specific connection
It's no secret that conflict with the US made Robinson's job difficult, and the US was working to push her out. Some commentators have pointed to her position on Israel/Palestine, and the brouhaha over the World Conference Against Racism in Durban, RSA. But on many issues she was a thorn in our side, the prick to our conscience.


A Human Rights Watch notice:
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:55 AM
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19. Who are the customers??????? nt
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 05:03 AM
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23. "Stopping" sex . The American Gov't Method
emphasis added
Trafficking in Persons National Security Presidential Directive

President George W. Bush has signed a National Security Presidential Directive to advance the United States Government's fight against trafficking in persons, a modern day form of slavery. This policy directive follows from the President's actions taken on February 13, 2002, when he signed Executive Order 13257 to establish a Cabinet-level Interagency Task Force to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons.

Generally speaking, trafficking in persons refers to actions, often including use of force, fraud, or coercion, to compel someone into a situation in which he or she will be exploited for sexual purposes, which could include prostitution or pornography, or for labor without compensation, which could include forced or bonded labor. The United States is committed to the eradication of human trafficking both domestically and abroad. It is a crime that is an affront to human dignity.

Trafficking in persons is often linked to organized crime, and the profits from trafficking enterprises help fuel other illegal activities. The growth of vast transnational criminal networks supported in part by trafficking in persons fosters official corruption and threatens the rule of law. The Administration policy includes the use of law enforcement tools, prevention efforts, and victim protection and assistance.

State of the Union Address
United States Capitol
Washington, D.C.
Jan 20, 2004
To encourage right choices, we must be willing to confront the dangers young people face -- even when they're difficult to talk about. Each year, about 3 million teenagers contract sexually-transmitted diseases that can harm them, or kill them, or prevent them from ever becoming parents. In my budget, I propose a grassroots campaign to help inform families about these medical risks. We will double federal funding for abstinence programs, so schools can teach this fact of life: Abstinence for young people is the only certain way to avoid sexually-transmitted diseases. (Applause.)

Decisions children now make can affect their health and character for the rest of their lives. All of us -- parents and schools and government -- must work together to counter the negative influence of the culture, and to send the right messages to our children.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 06:32 PM
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24. December 10, 2003
Dyncorp, for example, a Pentagon favorite, has the contract worth tens of millions of dollars to train an Iraqi police force. It also won the contracts to train the Bosnian police and was implicated in a grim sex slavery scandal, with its employees accused of rape and the buying and selling of girls as young as 12. A number of employees were fired, but never prosecuted. The only court cases to result involved the two whistleblowers who exposed the episode and were sacked. "Dyncorp should never have been awarded the Iraqi police contract," said Madeleine Rees, the chief UN human rights officer in Sarajevo.
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