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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:20 AM
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Signs suggest improper influence of Bush on Fed
University lecturer finds dramatic increase in meetings between president, Greenspan

FINANCE

BY FRANK NORRIS
Of The Post and Courier Staff

There is a growing danger that financial markets could perceive the Bush administration as unduly influencing the direction of federal monetary policy. So says Kenneth Thomas, a lecturer in finance at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business.

According to Thomas, there's been a dramatic increase in the number of meetings between Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and White House staff since President Bush took office in January 2001.

Thomas based his conclusions on Freedom of Information Act requests for Fed data over the past six years, tracking the number of meetings between Greenspan and White House staff during that period.

He found that from 2001-03, Bush's first three years in office, there was a 67 percent jump in the number of Greenspan-White House meetings compared with the three years from 1996-98. The FOIA queries showed Greenspan had 55 White House meetings in 2002 and 68 in 2003, up from about 12 per year between 1996 and 2000.

http://www.charleston.net/stories/050304/bus_03finance.shtml
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:22 AM
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1. Surprise. Greenspan is a whore.
And Bush is a john.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:23 AM
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2. I'm SHOCKED! Shocked I tell ya!
:eyes:
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 02:51 PM
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23. Yeah, time to round up the usual suspects
Casablanca means "White House", right?
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:25 AM
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3. Again an annoying conspiracy theory!
Bush only wants the best for the country.
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:31 AM
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5. Maybe Bush wants what is BEST for the country
If that is the case though, he's an even bigger idiot for it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 02:35 PM
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swinney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:29 AM
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4. Greenspan--13 Interest Rate Hikes for Clinton then down down down
Greenspan is a Republican 100%.

He tinkered with upping interest rates during two elections under Clinton.

This man is no good for America. Bad Boy.Bad Man.
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webtrainer Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:32 AM
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6. and when rates finally go up . . .
:nuke:
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 02:54 PM
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24. Things financial are going to blow sky high?
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:34 AM
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8. I remember that
All the hand-wringing Greenspan did about the "spectre" of inflation from an overheating economy during the Clinton Administration. Greenspan did his damnedest to snuff the recovery by jacking up interest rates at every opportunity.
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 02:16 PM
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17. I'm not sure that's a fair charge
Interest rates went up in both election years for Reagan and both for George I.

I used to work in the banking business in the 80's and everyone said the interest rates always went up in an election year. Of course, back then, more people had their investments in bank accounts instead of the stock market so it was the equivalent of lower gas prices. All of it is intended to placate the ignorant masses so they vote for incumbancy.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 02:36 PM
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20. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Here's Proof
Scroll down the page and look at the Fed's interest rates moves over the last ten years. Look at the data yourself and you tell me that Greenspan is not politicizing monetary policy in favor of Bush:

http://www.federalreserve.gov/fomc/fundsrate.htm
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 02:50 PM
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22. Look, I cited interest rate changes more than 10 years old
The point I was making is that rate changes have been a part of election year politics for decades and everyone in the banking industry in Madison Wisconsin knew it. When the biggest, as in most popular, investment vehicle was a bank account and very few people carried much debt, slow-growing interest rates were viewed by the general public as a good thing for our economy.

Obviously that changed during the Clinton administration with the growing emphasis on investments in the stock market and the ballooning debt of the average citizen.

I wasn't arguing that Greenspan is a whore. My arguement is that you can't base that opinion on election year fluctuations since they have been going on for some time and under other fed chairmen.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 02:56 PM
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25. If Greenspan's going to get in 13 interest rate hikes before the fall
election, he had better better get started!
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:32 AM
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7. and then Mr. G suggests dumping fixed rate for variable mortgages...
What a total repuke whore thing to do to people.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:37 AM
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9. Corrupt financial system
Corrupt government, corrupt military, corrupt media, corrupt religions,

A corrupt people?

Welcome to the United States of America.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 12:00 PM
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15. Captured in a nutshell
Welcome to America where the Mafia is seen as heroic.
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swinney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:44 AM
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10. Warren Buffett to join Kerry as Econ. adviser wow!
He and Bill Gates were against Bush tax cuts saying "they are the wrong priority for America".
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:45 AM
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11. This guy is a lecturer in finance?
"He found that from 2001-03, Bush's first three years in office, there was a 67 percent jump in the number of Greenspan-White House meetings compared with the three years from 1996-98. The FOIA queries showed Greenspan had 55 White House meetings in 2002 and 68 in 2003, up from about 12 per year between 1996 and 2000."

I would expect my algebra I students to be better with percentages than this guy - 55 meetings in 2002 is a 458% jump over 12 meetings and 68 meetings is a 567% jump.
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:51 AM
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13. That looks like a reportorial goofup to me.
67% vs 567% ... either accidentally or on purpose, the reporter or editor left out the hundreds column.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:52 AM
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14. It may be he is comparing visits with Presidents only
Cheney is the first VP who has a strong leadership position and many of those Greenspan-White House meetings were with him.

Bush probably slept through most of the meetings since he has often said financial talk bores him.
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swinney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:48 AM
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12. Mrs. Greenspan=Andrea Mitchell two alikes
Andrea showed her true partisan colors on the Trashing of the White House and Air Force I.

Recall the great tirade she made over a non-flap. She demeaned the Clintons unbelievably.

She is a Republican partisan.
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liarliartieonfire Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 12:41 PM
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16. Will President Kerry replace Greenspan with Buffet?
Maybe its time for Greenspan to retire.

Would Buffet take the job if offered?
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 02:26 PM
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18. Buffet - Very Intriguing Idea

I like that suggestion!
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 02:40 PM
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21. Markets Would Freak Out Over Buffet
He's too honest, and he's too rich to be bought off. He'll actually run the Fed to benefit all Americans instead of the wealthy few, and we can't have that in government.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 03:03 PM
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26. Yes. Most of the money movers in the market are used to BushCo
There would be a big shake up during the learning curve to a completely different policy which is not based on lies, conceit and greed.
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