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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-12 09:21 PM
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Trayvon Martin: New details in George Zimmerman domestic-violence petitions
Source: Orlando Sentinel

Newly available documents reveal conflicting accounts of a violent relationship in the past of George Zimmerman, the Sanford man who fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last month.

The court records concern a conflict between Zimmerman and his ex-fiance, who filed a petition accusing Zimmerman of pushing her during an argument at her Orlando home in August 2005.

The woman reported Zimmerman had arrived at her home Aug. 8 and asked to talk. Later, when she asked him to leave, she said, he insisted on staying and demanded documents she had.

The woman said she offered to drop the papers off the following day, but Zimmerman became upset, took her cellphone and shoved her. A fight ensued, she said, and her dog bit Zimmerman's cheek.

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This sounds like a man with a longstanding pattern of violent behavior. And, of course, he's allowed to have a gun.

Outraged activists all over Florida are demanding that the state revoke his gun permit. But, no, the state says; the perpetrator must first be convicted of a felony.

Kind of hard to be convicted of a felony murder if the local cops refuse to arrest him, no? God have mercy on us.

Now, he just murdered an innocent child, and still, he walks free.

How much longer is this travesty going to go unpunished? Is he currently in hiding?

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pettypace Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-12 10:40 PM
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1. Another article
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-12 08:29 PM
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2. The Video of Zimmerman at the PD Shows No Signs of Such a Fight
His face and the back of his head are clearly visible. Not a scratch.

Other witnesses contradict Zimmerman's account as well.
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lbrtbell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-12 09:32 AM
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3. You apparently didn't read all the details of the case
Zimmerman was treated BEFORE that video was shot. The blood was therefore cleaned off his skull and face. My mother, who was in late middle age at the time, fell and hit a wall, which caused a tiny cut that bled like crazy. I was terrified because she was losing so much blood. But within minutes, applying direct pressure stopped the bleeding. And she wasn't even treated by paramedics, just by me holding a dry washcloth to her head. The blood was all over the carpet and the wall, but not on her clothes. When we took her to ER, any security camera capturing her would have shown no blood on her clothes or her head. But she still fell down and hit the wall.

Similarly, Zimmerman didn't have to be covered in blood, to prove that there was a struggle between him and Martin.

As for these new witnesses, isn't it odd that the original witnesses said that Zimmerman was on the bottom...but these new people claim Martin was on the bottom?

All this aside, there's one thing the media seems to be ignoring. Trayvon Martin was a 6'3" high-school football player. Zimmerman was 11 years older, about 5'9", and pretty darned fat. Even if he did give chase, there's no way a young, fit man with much longer legs couldn't outrun the fat guy. That alone is proof that Trayvon Martin either stopped or came back to confront Zimmerman. When you confront someone, they have the right to shoot in self-defense, and it doesn't matter whether you're armed or not. You don't have to be armed to pose a threat to someone, and a young 6'3" athlete is a threat to a fat 5'9" guy.

Yes, Zimmerman has a violent past. But Martin is no saint, either. He was suspended from school for 10 days at the time of the shooting, which begs the question...why did his dad let him go out by himself at night? Most parents I know would be so furious over the suspension, that the kid would be grounded. Who lets their teenager go to the convenience store at night, when he's been suspended from school AND there have been several burglaries in the area?

If Trayvon's father had been a better parent, his kid wouldn't have been in possession of an empty baggie of marijuana, gotten himself suspended, or gone wandering around at night at a time when there had just been several burglaries in the area. If it hadn't been Zimmerman, the kid could have encountered the burglar. Most importantly, Trayvon would be alive today.

But instead of his parents acting like parents, Daddy lets him run around at night and encounter a guy who shoots him, then Mommy trademarks phrases related to her son's death.

Of all this, that's what made me the sickest. At least let your son's body get cold before you try to profit from his death. I suppose I'd be smoking pot, too, if I had parents like that.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-12 12:05 PM
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4. If zimmerman's father had been a better parent...
...his son wouldn't have been out looking for a black man to plug with his favorite hollow point ammo.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-12 12:40 AM
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5. You Seem Really Eager to Give Zimmerman a Pass
His story does not add up.

Your mom didn't get blood on her clothes, but she did not suffer a broken nose, nor did she shoot someone at close range who was supposedly on top.
Zimmerman, supposedly, got through all of that without any blood getting on his clothing at all.

No signs of a fistfight on Martin's body either.

Then there are the 911 tapes.

And you want to say it's all Trayvon's parents' fault for letting him go out to the store at night, and you try demonize Trayvon over an empty baggie, as if that is somehow equivalent to Zimmerman's violent past?!?!?!!??

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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-12 09:41 AM
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6. Southern Justice
Dead black, living white with smoking gun = self defense
Dead white, living black with smoking gun = murder
Dead white alone with smoking gun = gun cleaning accident
Dead black alone with smoking gun = suicide (As may be walking while black in Florida)

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-12 04:51 AM
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7. If only Trayvon hadn't pulled Zimmerman out of Zimmerman's car and made Zimmerman follow him
after police told Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon.
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