Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Italian prosecutors vow appeal of Knox verdict

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 07:41 AM
Original message
Italian prosecutors vow appeal of Knox verdict
Edited on Tue Oct-04-11 07:43 AM by dipsydoodle
Source: CBS News

PERUGIA, Italy - While Amanda Knox headed home to the United States a free woman Tuesday after an Italian appeals court dramatically overturned the American student's murder conviction, prosecutors expressed disbelief in the verdict and vowed an appeal to Italy's highest criminal court.

Prosecutor Giuliano Mignini said Tuesday that he would appeal after reading the court's reasoning due out within 90 days.

>

"This trial was done under unacceptable media pressure. The decision was almost already announced; this is not normal," he said.

If the highest court overturns the acquittal, prosecutors would be free to request Knox's extradition to Italy to finish whatever remained of a sentence. It is up to the government to decide whether they make such a request.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/04/501364/main20115224.shtml



More details the Guardian's link here : http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/04/amanda-knox-prosecutor-vows-appeal?newsfeed=true
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 07:43 AM
Response to Original message
1. Couple of challenges
1. How can the prosecutors re-try their case if the evidence isn't there?

2. Even if Amanda Knox is convicted in absentia, what if this country refuses to extradite her to Italy?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. The Guardian link which I added
provides a better explanation of the manner in which their Supreme Court in Rome functions. The important aspect may be that only evidence used in the first trial would be taken into consideration.

On the subject of refusal to extradite her that would in some respects be good as it could foul up the seemingly "one way" extradition agreements between the US and Europe. It however also mean that she could never revisit anywhere in the EU should she subsequently chose to do so.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #4
9. Not just the EU
She'd be refused entry to a number of other countries and if she showed up at their immigration check point, she'd be arrested and sent to Italy.
She's pretty much stuck in the US if that happened
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 07:46 AM
Response to Original message
2. of course they do. It's a game of winning, careers and notches under the belt. A game of power
Not anything altruistic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 07:47 AM
Response to Original message
3. My take is they are trying to save face...Egos and all that...n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 07:51 AM
Response to Original message
5. Italy can go suck an egg.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
VWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #5
10. Mignini can go suck an egg. What's your beef with Italy?
You want people to base their opinion of the US on the Siegelman or Troy Davis case?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #5
25. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #25
29. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
catbyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 08:09 AM
Response to Original message
6. The US will never extradite her on such shaky "evidence"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #6
13. If the appeal is reversed by their supreme court the US will extradite her in a heartbeat
If we expect other nations to honor our extradition requests, we must honor theirs.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Anto Giampietro Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #13
21. And with that we have a winner.
Not that we'll want her back.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #21
45. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #13
36. the sequence as i understand it:
IF the supreme court revereses the appeals decision, there would be a new appeals court trial. IF she is re-convicted in this new trial, Italy could request extradition. which the US would probably honor.

this is an unlikely sequence of events, and Mignini is covering his ass. i don't expect he'll actually take it further - it's just a threat. it's over.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 01:42 AM
Response to Reply #36
58. Another chance for them to look ridiculous. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
toopers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #13
38. I doubt the US would send her back . . .
Europe is currently holding onto a convicted pedophile/rapist.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
toopers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #13
39. I doubt the US would send her back . . .
Europe is currently holding onto a convicted pedophile/rapist.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #13
41. 0% chance they would extradite.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #13
49. Nope. Simply won't happen. The US likese to demand that everyone honour the exradition treaties...
...when the US wants someone...not so much going the other way...Even if the appeal is successful, there is no way that the Italians will demand extradition knowing just how poorly the overall case has been handled..

Amanda Knox, quite rightly, is free...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. Under SecState Clinton, there have been fewer contested cases.
That may well be due to more behind the scenes work.

Even if the Italian supreme court reverses and a new trial is called for or sentence reimposed, the Italian government would have to ask for the extradition. They may not. The victim wasn't one of their citizens and they understand that it is an embarrassment and is costing them $$$ at this point.

I too believe the evidence is not there to support a conviction and she should be free.

The prosecutor has declared publicly he will appeal so who knows what is going to happen
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Scairp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #50
59. This prosecutor is a piece of work
He should worry about the appeal of his own conviction, and why in the hell is still a prosecutor anyway? I've never heard of any civilized country allowing a convicted felon be a prosecutor. This is just wrong. I too believe that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito didn't kill Meredith Kercher but that's immaterial. The evidence sucks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 08:37 AM
Response to Original message
7. "The decision was almost already announced; this is not normal,"
Anybody paying attention could figure out that she was not guilty of murder and there was no case except the manufactured one by the prosecutors.

I hope the US never extradites her no matter what happens.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 08:46 AM
Response to Original message
8. Italy = fascist state
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
VWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #8
11. Based on this case alone?
What other evidence do you have that Italy is a fascist state?

There are plenty of right wingers here in the US that would attempt to do the same, given the opportunity.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #11
18. Based on Berlusconi. I mean really, can you explain a clear difference between him
and Mussolini?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #18
26. I guess...
...thousands of dead does not show a difference? Political murders and police states??

Really - No difference between Mussolini and Berlusconi? Really?


Wow...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #26
33. Why rule with violence when you can rule with money? n/t
Edited on Tue Oct-04-11 01:33 PM by tcaudilllg
Money is ultimately a little safer, don't you think? But do you have any idea how influential that man is? He is the most powerful man in that country, and there is a reason he hasn't yet been driven out.

And let's not forget he was buddy-buddy with Muammar, until it was clear Muammar had been kicked out of "the club".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #8
12. That their legal system is different than ours and is not based on English common law does not make
them fascist.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #12
16. Scotland uses Roman Law too
and Scotland is hardly a fascist state either.

:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #12
40. I don't care wehat legal system they are using. The prosecutor is being insane about this.
The man who's DNA was mixed with the victim's is in jail.

That the prosecutor has still pursued Knox and her boyfriend or ex-boyfriend all this time borders on madness.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. Not saying you are the least bit wrong, but it does not make Italy a fascist
state either
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #42
46. Yeah you're joining my ignore list.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Anto Giampietro Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #8
19. It does? Do tell. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #8
30. Well, Italy's justice system did get it right the second time around
No true fascist state would have done that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 09:46 AM
Response to Original message
14. Prosecutors are the same everywhere...
They want convictions & are not concerned about whether someone is actually innocent. I worked around them for several years & the way they talk behind the scenes is disgusting!

Of course the following has nothing to do with the Knox case...

To see prosecutors fight DNA test that could exonerate someone in prison is 100% proof prosecutors have no interest in justice only convictions!! DISGUSTING!!

And down here in the South most are hard core Right Wing Christians who think they are on some mission from GAWD to clean up the world..."If they were arrested then you are guilty because my cops do not make mistakes!" I have heard that repeated countless times!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #14
48. I don't think that's the case.
The prosecutors I know are too busy working to try to convict the innocent. Besides, appeals that are lost make them look even worse. Most prosecutors follow the law, follow the rules, and look seriously at the evidence. If they have no case, they will not proceed.
Sure, there are bad apples, but that usually involves politically motivated assholes who use the prosecutor's office as a means to gain some elected office. Luckily, that is a rare few.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tropicanarose Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:10 AM
Response to Original message
15. Ridiculous....it is all about their sense of national pride. Their entire case was a farce
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Anto Giampietro Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #15
28. Is that right? It's a matter of national pride?
You know nothing about my country, our people, customs, or legal system. Have you ever even met an Italian before? Many of us could have cared less about this case.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #28
31. I'm marrying
A Calabrese native next April - going to Acri in early November to visit his family.

I agree - I'm not judging all of Italy.

This is a good time for our foreign DU'ers to speak up and say:

Oh Americaaaaaaaaaa - go suck an egg for killing an innocent man.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Anto Giampietro Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #31
54. Congratulations and welcome to Italy. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tropicanarose Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #28
43. I think so with regard to the judicial system which says nothing about the wonderful people of Italy
Edited on Tue Oct-04-11 05:46 PM by tropicanarose
the beauty of your culture and language......I love Italy!
I was referring to the Italian judicial system feeling seeking to save face by taking it to the high court. I think that the case was an embarrassment for them.
That was and is my take on it.
I am well aware of the failings of the judicial system here in the USA.......and I agree with the poster below referencing Troy Davis. It would be ludicrous to assume that either case represented the totality of either country. Both the US and Italy have many fine people and wonderful attributes.
I am sorry that you took what I said that way as it wasn't my intent at all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Anto Giampietro Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #43
56. That's good enough for me. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:34 AM
Response to Original message
17. Italian prosecutors think they are the Spanish Inquisition.
Guess that trip to Rome I've been planning for me and my family will have to be another trip to Paris.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #17
20. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #17
24. Deleted message
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
iandhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:52 AM
Response to Original message
22. Innocent or not...
She still falsely blamed another person for the crime
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #22
27. LOL...
...so did the Italian Government.

Anyway - all she did was suggest an alternative. She did not create evidence or frame anyone..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:54 AM
Response to Original message
23. They hate to lose. But they won't appeal
It's a case of both not enough money and not enough forensic evidence.

And they know it.

Knox is safe, wherever she is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Muskypundit Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 11:32 AM
Response to Original message
32. That poor excuse for a government lost all credibility with the re election of that asshole p.m
And it then entered witch hunt dark ages territory as it prosecutes scientists for not predicting an earthquake.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. Well,this country shouldn't throw stones. We got two terms of GWBush.
'nuff said?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. +1. Hit the nail right on the head.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Anto Giampietro Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #34
55. Arrivederci ad un altro giorno. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
toopers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 02:02 PM
Response to Original message
37. Hopefully, Mignini will be appealing from his own jail cell!
EOM
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 06:22 PM
Response to Original message
44. these prosecutors themselves belong in prison
Edited on Tue Oct-04-11 06:26 PM by pitohui
it is not remotely believable that knox committed this crime, and they must have known that

i put their wild story of made-up sexual frenzy in the same category as the new york prosecutors who invented the "wilding" story about the central park rapists

the prosecutors HAVE to know when they're lying, this is beyond a simple mistake, in the case of the ny prosecutors they never thought anyone would know, because they'd didn't dream the actual rapist would ever come forward

the young victims still lost several years of their youth to prison, just for glory-seeking prosecutors

these italian prosecutors seem to be cut of the same cloth, they identified a bread crumb as having knox's DNA...they can't tell the difference between bread and human DNA? REALLY?

a prosecutor out to make a name destroys many lives, i suspect we'll never know how many, altho research like the innocence project makes it clear that it's pretty random who they put in jail for a crime, too many people cleared by DNA for me to believe any wild "stories"

when a crazy accusation is made, that seems to bear no relationship to how actual human beings live and act, then there should be more of a burden of proof on these prosecutors

they get away w. destroying way too many lives

this is not an italian problem, as another poster says, this is a problem all over the world, and we see it constantly in the united states, prosecutors will lie and lie big because there are no consequences for their lies
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 12:14 PM
Response to Original message
47. Prosecutor Satanic Orgies Is a known media whore
In Italy.

It is no surprise that any decision that criticizes him strongly would be grounds for an appeal. He reminds me of Grover Nordquist, combined with a touch of Rick Perry.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 02:41 PM
Response to Original message
51. I'm sure Italians are happy not to have Knox supporters visiting their country anytime soon.
or parts of the United States for that matter.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 03:27 AM
Response to Original message
52. Good
Both her and Sollecito are guilty.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
toopers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #52
53. Yes, they are as guilty as you are.
EOM
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #53
57. I paid attention to the actual evidence not the BS from American media
that couldn't be bothered with stuff like evidence and actually often used Knox's parents as sources. You know, evidence that was a big part of the case and was presented in court and that the American media found inconvenient to mention once they jumped on Knox's parents' PR campaign, and that most people here don't know jack shit about, like...

Meredith received three stab wounds in her neck from two entirely different knives indicating there was more than one killer as well as other injuries indicating more than one killer. The Italian court has always believed and still believes that physical evidence points to more than one killer.

The broken window in her bedroom was staging as the broken glass landed on top of the stuff of the trashed bedroom (including the covered body) and not under it, it was a second floor window with no way to get to it without a ladder, and no one could have gotten through it without either getting cut by the glass remaining in the frame or knocking it out.

There was a blood footprint belonging to Sollecito on the bathroom bathmat.

There were barefoot blood footprints belonging to Knox in Knox's bedroom, the corridor and Filomena's room.

In one of the phone calls Knox and another roommate (Filomena) exchanged around noon the day after the murder Knox told Filomena that Meredith's bedroom window had been broken and her room was trashed yet the bedroom door was locked from the inside and had to be broken down later that afternoon... Knox could not have known what condition Meredith's bedroom was in due to the locked door and the inability to see through the window without a ladder. In an early call to Filomena around noon Knox told her that when she got to the apartment she discovered the front door open and blood in the bathroom yet she later told police that she took a shower in that bathroom when she got home and at a time when she claimed she was alone in the apartment.

Sollecito claimed that he was at his home using his computer, but computer analysis showed that he did not use his computer between 9:10 PM the night of the murder and 5:32 AM the next morning (the hours during which Meredith was murdered).

Sollecito initially told police his father had called him at home around 11 PM the night of the murder but phone records show no such call occurred that night.

When police show up at the house because Meredith's phones were found in some lady's garden, Sollecito and Knox are standing outside the house and Sollecito tells them that they had a break-in and he had already called the Italian 911 except phone records showed that he hadn't yet done so.

When Sollecito does call about the break-in he tells police that nothing was stolen though no one was able to get into Meredith's locked bedroom and thus wouldn't have known if anything was taken from her room.

Sollecito purchased bleach the morning after the murder twice: once at 8:30 AM and again 45 minutes later. The kitchen knife and his Nike sneakers showed evidence of having been cleaned with bleach. Register receipts for the bleach purchases were found in Sollecito's home, and he had claimed to have been asleep that morning until 10 AM. Bleach was used to clean the apartment where Meredith was killed, and a strong odor of bleach was noted in the apartment when both the initial police coming to return Meredith's recovered phones from a neighbor's garden and the police that came in response to the break-in. Sollecito's home also smelled of bleach the day after the murder and his cleaning woman testified that she never used bleach to clean the home and that she had cleaned the home the day of the murder without using bleach as usual and the apartment did not smell of bleach then.

Sollecito's own father, Francesco, said his son had never been violent in his life yet he also said that his son liked to carry and collect knives and had one on his person when he was first questioned by police.

Phone records showed that both Knox and Sollecito's phones were were turned off almost simultaneously (Sollecito's phone was inactive from 8:42 PM the night of the murder until 6:52 AM the next day, while Knox's phone was off from 8:35 PM until 12:07 PM the next day, (immediately after turning her phone back on the next day at noon she tried to call Kercher and hung up after 16 seconds). Testimony revealed that no such "blackout" of their phones had ever occurred the month preceding the murder (all the time the phone records covered), and that normally both Knox's and Sollecito's phones were on until late at night when they would be turned off and would come back on again in the late morning the next day.

A shopkeeper testified that at 7:45 AM the morning after the murder Knox was in his grocery store and he saw her go to the cleaning products area (though did not see her purchase bleach as he was not working the register and no receipt of her having purchased bleach or anything else that day was found). At this time of the morning Knox maintained that she was still at Sollecito's home.

Knox fingered her boss, Lumumba, on November 5 when she was voluntarily going to the police station to answer questions over a period of days. On November 5 only Sollecito was asked to go in to answer questions and Knox completely voluntarily accompanied him. While she was there she voluntarily was questioned again at which time the gave the false Lumumba story that placed herself in the apartment at the time of the murder claiming she could hear Meredith being killed and screaming. Lumumba was arrested the next day (November 6) very early in the morning based solely on this false accusation and when the police had no damn idea who the hell he was. Knox was also arrested on November 6 later in the day and on her own wrote a note (not a police statement) to the police saying that she may have been "confused" about Lumumba ever being there at all the night of the murder (apparently at this point she wasn't yet denying she herself was never there). She has never apologized to Lumumba or anyone else for falsely accusing him.

Both Knox and Sollecito gave police a number of conflicting stories concerning where they were at what times and whether or not they were together the night of the murder and the morning after. At first Sollecito claimed Knox was with him all night but then said that she may not have been there while he slept. At other times he said he couldn't remember if she was ever there at all that night. Knox at first claimed she was with Sollecito at his apartment all night and that he was with her all night, then claimed she was at her apartment as a witness to Lumumba killing Meredith, then claimed she was at Sollecito's home all night but that he might not have been there while she was asleep, then went back to the original story of both her and Sollecito being at his apartment all night. Both have been proved to have lied about a number of things concerning where they were at certain times, what they were doing and who they were with.

Contrary to popular belief, Knox early on admitted to knowing Guede though only admitted to having met him twice. The young men that lived in the first floor apartment - Giacomo Silenzi (Meredith's boyfriend), Stafano Bonassi, Marco Marzan and Riccardo Luciani - all testified that Guede visited them and that Knox knew Guede. Guede was a well known drug dealer in the area.

Because there was no transfer of Meredith's blood on the comforter that was thrown over her body it was not put there until the blood had mostly dried, which means whoever killed her was in the apartment for a long time and had no fear that they would be caught by anyone who lived there coming home at any time during the night.

No fingerprints of Knox were found in Meredith's room yet there were also no fingerprints found on anything in her OWN room which means her room was wiped of prints for some inexplicable reason. Evidence of recent cleaning with bleach was all over the apartment as well as areas in Sollecito's apartment. Knox and Sollecito tried to explain it away as someone having knocked over a bottle of bleach in the kitchen and they cleaned it up, but they couldn't keep their stories straight on that either... it was Knox, it was Sollecito, they don't know who it was, it happened when they weren't there and they found it that way, etc.

Knox's story that the police abused her in order to make her say that Lumumba killed Meredith and she was there and an eyewitness to it was flat out BS. The police didn't even know who the hell Lumumba WAS when she fingered him on November 5, and she at first claimed the police BEAT her. She had to back off the beating lie because the police and court took the allegation VERY seriously and investigated and quickly discovered that she was physically fine with no evidence of physical abuse in any way. So then she changed that story to the BS that she was smacked on the back of the head "once or twice" and that it "didn't hurt". Then she later added some more crap about being deprived of food or the ability to use the bathroom. ALL of it bullshit to try to explain why she fingered her boss AND try to cover up the further lie that the police beat her. Both her and Sollecito lied about everything, changed their various stories numerous times as they got caught out in their lies which only served to make them more obviously guilty. The only thing they did with any consistency other than breathing was lie, and they did it extraordinarily badly.

But extraordinarily little of this appeared in the American press except in the beginning. Once Knox's parents went on a full tilt PR campaign the American media stopped reporting on ANY of this evidence or ever mentioning it again and even went so far as to use her parents as evidentiary sources. The claim that she was interrogated for 14 hours straight and that she was doing yoga and not cartwheels and splits came straight from her mother's mouth and reported perpetually as fact. Both of those claims are BS. She was not interrogated for 14 hours straight, she was AT the police station for 14 hours straight most of that time she spent in the waiting area with several other people waiting to be questioned and was where she was witnessed by those people to the odd behavior of cartwheels and splits and a lack of any interest in what was going on. She was even at the police station totally voluntarily that day as she was not called in by police to be questioned and was only there to accompany Sollecito. She volunteered to be questioned by police that day as well as several times in the four days previous and could have left at any time or never gone that day at all.

ALL of this was part of her and Sollecito's trial, but because of the usual and expected abysmal reporting by American media pretty much nobody here knows anything at all about it.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 19th 2024, 03:33 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC