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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 08:15 PM
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WisDems To File Complaint Against Koch Brothers/AFP Dirty Tricks
Source: Wisconsin Democratic Party

Call on Six Republican Recall Senators to Denounce Tactic

MADISON-The Democratic Party of Wisconsin on Tuesday will file a complaint seeking the immediate end to a Koch Brothers-funded scheme to suppress Democratic votes in upcoming recall elections and called on six recall Republican senators to denounce the tactic.

The corporate front group Americans For Prosperity has in at least two recall districts reportedly been distributing absentee ballots with return instructions that would render the votes ineligible.

See attached complaint here.

"Scott Walker has sought the help of the corporate front group "Americans For Prosperity," and here they come with dirty tricks clearly meant to meddle in our elections and suppress votes against the Koch Brothers' agenda," Democratic Party of Wisconsin Chair Mike Tate said Monday. "Wisconsin's election authorities must stop the black hand of the corporate special interests and their front groups who are trying to strangle democracy in our state and support the six Republican senators now facing recall.

These six Republicans must immediately denounce the AFP scheme or it will signal to the public that they endorse the suppression of Wisconsin votes."

Read more: http://www.wisdems.org/news/press/view/2011-08-wisdems-...
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 08:30 PM
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1. 7th Rec
And a kick to the top. Where's the Right screaming "Fraud!" when it's such a blatant case?
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Yon_Yonson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 08:35 PM
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3. Now that was an interesting read hope the WISDEMS go for the gonads
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 08:35 PM
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2. You'd think somewhere in all of this a crime had been committed?
Maybe even a Federal crime? Mail fraud?

Tesha
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 08:38 PM
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4. Amen! You've got a witness!
The Koch brother's need to be added to the OFAC watch list as 'Political Kingpins'.
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discursiveformation Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:07 PM
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8. may be election fraud. see this.....


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/koch-group-m...

...Furthermore, a close look at the mailer shows a continuation of irregularities that have already involved conservative groups and absentee ballots in the state.

The mailing address for the applications is listed as "Absentee Ballot Application Processing Center, P.O. Box 1327, Madison WI 53701-1327." A Google search shows that this address is not any sort of government office, but has been used by the conservative group Wisconsin Family Action.

In addition, Wisconsin Right To Life previously used the same address for absentee ballot application letters and phone calls that were sent out shortly before the July 12 Democratic primaries, but after the official deadlines for the applications. The group responded to criticism, saying the phone calls were intended to be for the general elections in August.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:54 PM
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13. Now if that ain't mail fraud...
then I don't know what is.
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Maineman Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 06:33 AM
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32. Report it to thke Postal Inspectors. They are the mail fraud police.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:30 PM
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51. Mail fraud? It's also serious election fraud, with all the evidence right there on the paper!
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:22 AM
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21. Right but no one cares about election fraud. We have to stop voter fraud! Thank God for Voter ID
:sarcasm:
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 08:11 AM
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40. It's funny. Here New Hampshire, the Republicans are all worried about voter ID and vote fraud.
But it turns out that the son of the arch-Republican/
Libertarian Speaker of the House just got caught being
registered simultaneously in NH and Maine.

It seems he voted in NH while he was simultaneously
running for office in Maine.

Yeah, there's vote fraud all right, and I'll bet I know which
party is doing more of it! I wish somebody would cross-
check all the voter registration rolls between NH and Florida;
I'll bet you'd find lots of Republican "snowbirds" voting in
both states!

Tesha
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 03:43 PM
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55. oh sure tons of voter fraud..
this comes across as election fraud. and we all know voter fraud is rare and when it's committed it's usually from the right anyway (hello ann coulter)

absentee should have some sort of recognizeable proof that it's the real thing. ie like a dollar bill. otherwise it would be an illegal copy of one. But come on this is Scott Walkers fan base. They committed high crimes by locking up the capitol.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 08:45 PM
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5. AFP distributed phony eviction notices in Detroit in June - CBSnews w/video
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 08:48 PM by Bozita
AFP seems to specialize in dirty tricks.

I dug this up from the ol' memory hole.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20070076-503544....

June 8, 2011 12:40 PM
Koch-backed group's fake eviction notices rile up Detroit
By Stephanie Condon

Residents in a Detroit neighborhood received a scare this week when they found what appeared to be eviction notices on their doors. The flyers, however, turned out to be political pamphlets in opposition to the construction of a controversial new bridge.

The fake eviction notices were posted by a local chapter of Americans for Prosperity, the conservative political advocacy group backed by Charles and David Koch, the billionaire brothers who run Koch Industries and are longtime libertarians. Local political leaders and columnists are condemning the group for scaring residents -- whose homes sit in the epicenter of the nation's foreclosure crisis -- while refusing to disclose which of its corporate backers are funding the flyers.

At the center of the flyer in question, in large print, reads: "Eviction Notice." In medium print, the top of the flyer reads, "This property is subject to seizure by the Michigan Department of Transportation." Only in small print does the flyer say the property in question could be seized if legislation approving the bridge is passed.

more...
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 08:55 PM
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6. K&R!!!!!
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:03 PM
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7. I hope a hero
will give Koch his rightful due.
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discursiveformation Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:10 PM
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9. see this. Maybe she will be
the hero. I think she must have turned the flyer in as it was addressed to her.




http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Disorientedx3 Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:12 PM
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10. why do they shit on our democracy like this?
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:29 PM
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12. money...
pure and simple. welcome to du
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Grassy Knoll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:18 PM
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11. WHAAT ?......
It can't be true, Fox news, Drudge report, and Freakrepublic don't
have this story , OK, I'll calm down , maybe Our lord Rush Limbaugh
will mention it tomorrow , and set this rumor to rest.
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :evilgrin:
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:58 PM
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14. PERP WALK FOR THE KOCHS AND ASSOCIATES! n/t
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Evasporque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:02 PM
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15. Good thing we have voter ID to prevent fraud...
asshole GOP cheaters
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:32 PM
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16. Deleted message
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:41 PM
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17. knr nt
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 11:56 PM
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18. picket 1310 WIBA- the limbaugh station in madison, getting walker's back and making
excuses for him. WIBA even does Badger radio.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:10 AM
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49. If they do UW sporting events then the UW Athletic Director
needs to be pushed on getting the WIBA rights taken away.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:47 PM
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57. badgers do broadcast on WIBA 1310. our unis are major supporters of RW radio and
students and faculty should be ashamed of making all that racism, and anti-science global warming denial, and lies acceptable, basically endorsing it in their communities.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:17 AM
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19. kr
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:21 AM
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20. Well, jeez, it's the least they can do. What the pukes have done is typical, but
outrageous!! Go after these bastards!!
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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:06 AM
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22. I hope the Justice Department gets involved. nt
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 04:03 AM
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27. Hell Yes! And if NOT why NOT? n/t
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:48 AM
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39. because
Edited on Tue Aug-02-11 07:50 AM by marions ghost
they don't touch the slime at the top. Their job is to throw out such idle complaints against the corporate nobility.
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libmom74 Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 02:12 PM
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53. Because Holder is just too busy
busting those dangerous marijuana dispensaries. Priorities people!! :banghead:
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:20 AM
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23. Will the GAB actually do anything? n/t
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:08 AM
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35. That's a good question.
Unfortunately, the GAB is where all this legal shit has to start in Wisconsin. Even if the GAB decides AFP were intentionally misleading, what're the consequences.

This is a clear case, just like the Right to Life shitheads making those calls about absentee ballots the 2-4 days before the primary election, telling people they didn't have to go to the polls. There should be some serious consequences for both these organizations.

I'm definitely intrigued by the mail fraud question, though. I wonder if the WisDems have thought about it from that angle. I'd love to see the USPS try to argue that a vote has no tangible value.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:23 PM
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50. You live in Wisconsin, so your voice would carry more
than mine.

Maybe you can get in touch with this group and suggest that they look at the mail fraud angle. A vote does indeed have tangible value. It has financial value, or the Kochheads would not be doing all this cheating. We know it has tangible value to the people who are losing their benefits and pensions, to the people who cannot find jobs, because the greedy are sitting on all their money.

I hope they give this a shot.
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 02:52 PM
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54. I'm on it. nt.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:22 AM
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24. This thread smells like roses.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:58 AM
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25. K & R
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 02:31 AM
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26. They should ask the court to order the organizations that are
misinforming the voters about the election to disseminate corrections to each household in the area -- corrections prepared by the Democrats.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 04:47 AM
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28. Sixty years later
and vote suppression is still in the headlines. Depressing and infuriating.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 04:57 AM
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29. Good and take some of their dough while they're at it.
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PuffedMica Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 05:20 AM
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30. The Koch brothers need to be indited and brought to trial
The discovery process could be most enlightening into their operations.
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PuffedMica Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 05:21 AM
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31. K&R
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:01 AM
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33. K & R
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:04 AM
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34. K + R
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:08 AM
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36. Calling on Republicans to play nice?
I hope the Dems aren't about to file a complaint with the same authority responsible for the supreme court recount fiasco. Who but stooges controlled by Walker could be legally charged with investigating this? The Democrats need to hit the media nationally and the streets locally. They need to beat their drums and blow their whistles until election day so no one can forget that the fix is in again. If they were real clever they'd get in touch with Jimmy Carter and see about finding some international monitors. They also should seek a criminal investigation by the FBI and the Justice Department and make it loudly. That is exactly what the scumbugs would do.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:30 AM
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37. The entire country should file a complaint against the Kochs and the corporate media
for making the TEABAGGERS ligitimate!
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:44 AM
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38. Posted this earlier in another thread
Mail Fraud
U.S. Postal Inspectors investigate any crime in which the U.S. Mail is used to further a scheme--whether it originated in the mail, by telephone, or on the Internet. The use of the U.S. Mail is what makes it mail fraud.

If evidence of a postal violation exists, Postal Inspectors may seek prosecutive or administrative action against the violator. However, if money is lost through a fraudulent scheme conducted via the mail, Postal Inspectors lack the authority to ensure you receive a refund and can't require that products, services, or advertisements--on the Internet or elsewhere--be altered.

Postal Inspectors base investigations of mail fraud on the number, pattern, and substance of complaints received from the public. The Postal Inspection Service will carefully review the information you provide. We may share the information with other agencies when there is a possible violation within their jurisdiction.

If you feel you've been victimized in a fraud scheme that involves the U.S. Mail, submit a Mail Fraud Complaint Form to the U.S. Postal Inspection Service.

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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 08:16 AM
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41. File a complaint with who or what? Complaints like this
tend to just disappear. I hope we hear the result of the complaint and what the punishment will be. There SHOULD be punishment.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 09:42 AM
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42. K & R
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:15 AM
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43. Paging AG Holder
Where the hell is the nation's chief law enforcement officer while all this is happening?
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:15 AM
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44.  Since corporations are now persons they should also be sentenced if found guilty.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:16 AM
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45. And subject to the death penalty
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usaf-vet Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:32 AM
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46. Wake Up the real threat is stolen votes at the ballot box.
Edited on Tue Aug-02-11 10:33 AM by usaf-vet
All of these dirty tricks to suppress voters is supplemental to the real game. The real game is to steal each and every election at the ballot box. That is to flip votes within the machines. Three votes here 50 votes there all within the margin of error. For years now the repugs have been doing everything to discount exit polls. Exits polls that use to "align" with actual vote counts. The MSM used exit polls as part of there calculations to call the winner.

Until the democrats understand and get serious about the probability that elections are being stolen at the ballot box. We will never be able to trust our elections.

Remember "It is not who votes that counts.... it's who counts the votes" that determine the elections. WHO COUNTS THE VOTES !!!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:07 AM
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47. AFP's Kevin Yoder likes to manage things this way "It's easier to apologize than to get permission"
Edited on Tue Aug-02-11 11:07 AM by patrice
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:09 AM
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48. Anyone dealing with AFP, such as any civil servants, NEEEDS to understand this about them.
Any opportunity to fuck things up accidentally-on-purpose, remember LIHOP?, AFP WILL USE IT.
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iandhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:23 PM
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52. This **** has got to be illegal
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 06:51 PM
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56. K&R
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