Named: The blond Norwegian, 32, arrested over 'holiday island massacre' and linked to Oslo bomb blas

[snagglepuss]

Source: Daily Mail

The 32-year-old Norwegian man arrested for gunning down children on the holiday island of Utoya has been named locally as Anders Behring Breivik.

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It is not yet known what his motives were - whether he has been radicalised and was part of a militant Muslim group waging Jihad or was alternatively trying to further a home-grown political cause.

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BBC's Newsnight security correspondent Gordon Corera said a youth rally was not a usual type of target for an Islamist terrorist.

He added that this was a factor that suggested the attacks may have been carried out by someone with a national agenda.
But he also pointed out that the car bombing in Oslo would have been 'a lot for someone working alone to achieve'.











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[MinneapolisMatt]

1. This is just horrific.

Thanks for the update.

[freshwest]

4. Shooting a bunch of kids!

[Lars77]

2. His Twitter account

http://twitter.com/#!/AndersBBreivik


We have our very own Timothy McVeigh..

[cascadiance]

6. Also, remember when they tried to blame "Muslims" for OK City initially?

Seems to be a pattern these days! I guess we still need more info to know the roots of all of this evil, but radical Muslims certainly don't have a patent on it.

Did this guy also read the "Turner Diaries" or something like it?

[XemaSab]

11. As Jim Hightower said

"We thought they were mid-easterners, but it turned out they were mid-westerners!"

[harvey007]

57. We really don't know what we don't know

Governments, law enforcement agencies, intelligence agencies, corporations, and individuals all have political agendas and they all lie.

I doubt that we'll never know who's playing who or how.

Which reminds me of this OKC story that went nowhere....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Terrorist

[snagglepuss]

15. Not at all the same as the situation in OK as the radical Islamic mullah who

who just got deported from Norway vowed revenge and vowed to kill the Norwegian PM. That people assumed Islamists were responsible is hardly surprising or unjust.

[riverwalker]

46. if you mean

Krekar, he was never actually deported. He is still in jail in Norway. The Norwegian authorities know he faces the death penalty if he returns to Iraq, so he has not yet been released.

[snagglepuss]

52. I stand corrected. Its utterly obscene that he has not yet been deported.

If he is willing to threaten someone with death than he should be willing to face those who feel that way about him.

Live by the sword, die by it.

[freshwest]

124. Pretty cowardly to threaten death against the country that protects you from you own native land.

Something to think about.

[trud]

71. how many

US right wing wingnuts vow to take down the US government? So you can assume any bombing on US soil is their work?

[snagglepuss]

126. This is about Europe not the US. 99% of the terrorist events in the EU over the

10 years have been by Islamists so it's not surprising for people to jump to the conclusion that that Islamists were responsible.

[muriel_volestrangler]

137. That is very incorrect

Since 2007, Europol has issued an annual report on terrorism in the EU.

See https://www.europol.europa.eu/latest_publications/2/2007 and subsequent years

The stats for the EU countries added up:

('Islam'=Islamist; 'Separ'=separatist; 'Left'=left wing and anarchist'; 'Right'=right wing; 'Single'=single-issue; NotSpec=other or not specified)

Attacks (attempted and successful):
	Islam	Separ	Left	Right	Single	NotSpec	Total
2006	1	424	55	1	-	17	498
2007	4	532	21	1	1	24	583
2008	0	397	28	0	5	11	515
2009	1	237	40	4	2	10	294
2010	3	160	45	0	1	40	249

Arrests:
	Islam	Separ	Left	Right	Single	NotSpec	Total
2006	257	226	52	15	-	-	706
2007	201	548	48	44	-	0	1044
2008	187	501	58	0	3	4	1009
2009	110	413	29	22	2	11	587
2010	179	349	34	1	0	48	611
(UK arrests not classified, so total higher than parts)

Trial verdicts
	Islam	Separ	Left	Right	NotSpec	Total
2007	198	214	27	1	9	449
2008	190	155	27	2	10	384
2009	268	89	39	1	11	408
2010	201	84	37	4	6	332

Convictions (not classified)
2006 257
2007 221
2008 272
2009 337
2010 241

As you can see, most attacks have been separatist, and the majority of arrests in most years too. In the last 2 years, trial verdicts have been mainly in Islamist cases, but still by no means an overwhelming majority. The number of actual Islamist attacks has been very small. In previous years, there have been a very few high casualty Islamist attacks.

Simply, one should not leap to conclusions about terrorist acts.

[pampango]

139. Fantastic information showing the low percentage of attacks in Europe traced to Muslims.

Separatist movements certainly seem to represent a huge majority of European attacks.

[CJvR]

26. Well it...

...sure seemed as a classic AQ operation, right up to the moment when he allowed himself to be arrested.

[snagglepuss]

58. Letting himself be arrested is as bizarre as AQ blowing themselves up.

[Blue_Tires]

87. I remember that day only too well

watched NBC coverage the entire day

[hughee99]

116. Exactly, those damn conservatives are always jumping to conclusions...

When that a-hole left his truck full of explosives and a half-assed timer in Times Square, no progressives were jumping to the conclusion that he was a Teabagger, right?

[cascadiance]

134. Wingnuts probably didn't want a big deal made that a Muslim probably also saved a lot of lives then

... when the Muslim street vendor there then alerted police to the suspicious car being there.

[suffragette]

27. Does look that way

We had a close call this year in my state when a racist attempted to bomb the annual MLK parade.
Luckily parade route workers saw the backpack on a bench on the parade route, were suspicious and called police.

It was a sophisticated device, placed to cause maximum injury and the shrapnel inside was coated with rat poison.

They did arrest the guy, but there was no follow-up that I have seen on his ties to racist organizations, even though he was linked to them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x725336#729533

[DBoon]

80. The parade workers were fired for reporting the bomb

hmm....

[suffragette]

112. That was stunning, wasn't it?

[DBoon]

113. tin foil hat

they weren't supposed to find the bomb. The private security firm was in on it.

[MinneapolisMatt]

3. His facebook page

http://nb-no.facebook.com/people/Anders-Behring-Breivik/100002651290254

[boppers]

7. Religious Views: Christian

Political Views: Conservative

[awoke_in_2003]

59. I am surprised...

we haven't had more attack here from "christian conservatives". Fundie christians sound as crazy as fundie muslims.

[snagglepuss]

8. Do you know how to copy and paste his wall before its taken down?

[suffragette]

9. And a mirror of it in case anything gets changed

Found this when searching on full name.

http://publicintelligence.net/mirror-of-utøya-gunman-anders-behring-breiviks-facebook-page-and-photo-gallery/

[boppers]

10. New profile, a *ton* of posts with music videos, no friends?

Very odd.

[jwirr]

17. Interesting. Wonder what his geofarm ideas were.

[hunter]

65. It's how he bought fertilizer to make bombs.

Likely nothing more.

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. Since I'm not on Facebook, is there anything that confirms that was written before today?

Just checking - it has been known for people to make ones up when they've heard a name in the news.

[snagglepuss]

32. Very interesting detail. Hopefully someone familiar with FB can address this.

[boppers]

49. Most of the activity was on the 17th and 18th.

Wall posts are datestamped.... so at the very least, those weren't made/edited today,

[muriel_volestrangler]

51. Thanks - it seemed worth checking

I just looked at FR to see the reaction - the "it's a government plot to make right wingers look bad" conspiracy theories are already starting,

[MsKandice01]

22. Holy shit...

I think I'm more blown away by the fact that he played World of Warcraft.

[trud]

73. no facebook page

They seem to have deleted his facebook page so thoroughly that google doesn't have it cached.

[snagglepuss]

5. Photos of him

http://politicons.net/breaking-name-of-utoya-shooter-released%E2%80%A6-anders-behring-breivik%E2%80%A6-photos/

[Peace Patriot]

81. His photo is unsettling. He looks like a cross-country skier--healthy, strong, normal.

Knowing what he has been accused of, I am a bit drawn to his eyes, which seem to have a bit of mad glitter to them, but, frankly, if you'd shown me this photo before, I would never in the world have suspected psychosis so bad that he would shoot 15 children in cold blood. My reaction would have been: good-looking fellow, quite a "hunk," actually; maybe a little full of himself--although that could just be the pretentious style of whoever took the photo (dramatic shadow on one side the face, intense eyes looking off camera, tweaked up collar, noble forehead emphasized)--or maybe he's an actor. This could be a pose for the part of "Hamlet."

That's what I would have thought. Slaughterer of children? No way.

I know that it's often said of people who "go postal"--they seemed so NORMAL. Friends, neighbors, even family are astonished. Still, this one flabbergasts me. Or at least his photo does. So does his country, his culture. I know something about Norway. I've traveled there. I once understood the language well enough to write proper letters. It's such an incredibly beautiful country--everywhere, in every way--with such wonderful and incredibly sane and sensible people. For instance, poverty is simply not tolerated in Norway. It is not allowed to happen. There are no slums, no homeless, nobody in want (at least when I was there, some decades ago). Their North Sea oil plan was to use the money for social programs and to save a good portion of it for future generations. They wanted NO "boomtown" impacts on the oil development areas. They were planning carefully to prevent such impacts. I saw none of the stressful jostling you see here and in most cities--in Oslo, Bergen or Trondheim. All children I saw were treated with respect--no irritation, no forcing of anything, certainly no abuse. I saw a lot of abuse in L.A., my home at that time--just in the supermarket--not terrible abuse, just the routine abuse of tired, stressed out, irritated parents. Not in Norway. It was very striking. Happy people! Happy children! Open faces, everywhere! Even the "Midsommer" drunks were left alone to sleep it off in the parks. Nobody was offended. No cops pushing people around. Live and let live. Contentment! They were content with their country, with each other, with the world.

This is the last place in the world that I would have expected such a horror as this. I know, too, that literally anybody can go nuts, anywhere. Psychosis can be well hidden. So can social problems. It is a hazard of being human and it is a hazard in all societies--although societies that respect children and that share the wealth, so that no one is in want, generally head off psychosis before it becomes lethal--in primitive societies by channeling psychotic energy in creative ways (dream time, chanting, ritual dances, "medicine," initiation rites, etc.), and in peaceful modern societies generally by early diagnosis and treatment (or it is sometimes channeled into the arts, or into adventure and/or great physical challenges).

In sick modern societies, such as our own, it is channeled into war, militarism, fascist police forces, gangs, racism, conscienceless greed and other sociopathic modes, but not successfully. The costs of these channelings--besides the havoc that our country inflicts on others with our wars and on the victims of fascist culture within our own country --are that the psychosis rebounds into our society in unpredictable ways. Thus we have become inured to psychotic outbreaks--gun-wielding men shooting up schoolyards, or restaurants, or colleges, or military bases, or post offices or other workplaces, or a political rally, or whatever. We have become so used to it, we hardly notice it any more--and the memory of a country in which this did NOT happen is almost gone. Those of us in our sixties and older are the only ones left who remember a country in which this did not happen.

It is a very great shock in Norway. I've already seen some comment from Norwegians and they are in a similar state of shock to those of us, here, who experienced the JFK ('63) assassination, the Texas Tower Sniper murders ('66) and the RFK and ML King assassinations ('68). How could such things happen HERE?

Today we expect it. But they don't in Norway. And I hope to God that this is not the beginning of the end of Norway's wonderfully peaceful, progressive society.

I think that our routine psycho violence is related to unjust war--starting with the bloody, awful Vietnam War (which I think was the core motive of all three assassinations--JFK, RFK and MLK--and may have been at the heart of the Texas Tower sniper murders--the sniper, Charles Whitman, had been a U.S. Marine and served in Vietnam, and was clearly a very troubled soldier very likely with PTSS, possibly a victim of secret medical experiments in brainwashing and control).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

One of his victims was a very close friend of mine and this event in Norway is bringing it all back--as happens every time there is this kind of apparently inexplicable ("random") mass killing. Despite this, I and others close to that event in 1966 were by no means alone in suffering a state of shock--that an evil like that could occur in our country. (Only the JFK assassination had happened prior to the Texas Tower, and while that, too, had been a great shock, it was not inexplicable; it was clearly political.) Everybody was mindboggled by the Texas Tower event. Such things just didn't happen in the U.S.

I greatly sympathize with Norwegians today, and with the victims' families and friends. Since I've been through it myself, I know that there is no comfort anywhere, in anything, and it can be a corrosive event--it can eat away at the heart of a society as well as individuals. Even when the "explanations" come out, there is no "sense" to be made of it. All we can do is try to cherish and retain what civilization we have and what we can create for the common good. Our society has failed us. But I think Norway has every chance of recovering from this, without the on-going traumas, violence and horrors that we have had here and have inflicted on others. Today the Prime Minister said, "We will answer terrorism with more democracy." That's beautiful Norway.

[Peace Patriot]

82. I just heard that 80 children have been killed. My God! This is so awful! nt

[snagglepuss]

86. I too had the same reaction when I saw the photos. The fact that he is such a golden boy

is the only positive thing one can extract from this horrific crime as it drives home the point that appearances are deceiving.


What strikes me is his similarity with Islamists who don't want Muslims to assimilate to host cultures. Both he and Islamists want their respective identities whether religious or cultural left intact.

[Peace Patriot]

132. I wouldn't get too into motivation for a killer who blew 80 children away.

White Norwegian children, at that. It doesn't make sense. And why it doesn't make sense is that we are looking at a PSYCHOSIS. A break from reality. Madness (and I don't use this word idly).

I know some people are making much of his "Christian conservative" self-description but that, too, strikes me as mostly beside the point. In fact, who this killer most resembles--just on our sketchy knowledge of him, at this point--is Charles Whitman, the Texas Tower sniper--an Eagle Scout, and former U.S. Marine, who, earlier in his life had great prospects for a career and a successful life, in or outside of the military, who one day took a bunch of high-powered weapons and walked up the stairs in the Texas Tower and just started shooting and killing people--students--faraway down on the campus streets. If he had said anything political, would it have been an explanation or have had any meaning? I don't think so. He probably suffered PTSS. He'd been in Vietnam, in artillery. If he'd made an anti-war statement, would it have been fair to blame the anti-war movement for that awful killing spree? No. It just isn't relevant. The man had cracked up. He was not himself. He was profoundly ill. (By the way, they found a brain tumor during his autopsy.) And I suspect the same is true of this killer. He is psychotic--has no control of his thoughts or behavior, no sense of reality and is certainly not responsible for his political beliefs, nor are "Christian conservatives" to blame for his actions. (Note: He doesn't seem to have had any political or other associates, as to his purported views, and no one else involved in these killings--at least none known at this point. A loner, suffering psychosis--anything could have set him off.)

I should also say that a whole lot of secular "liberals" have supported war that has targeted and slaughtered tens of thousands of Arabs and Muslims--war that has seen widespread use of torture, humiliation, rampant disrespect and other evils inflicted on this class of people. Secular "liberals" have also supported the corrupt, murderous, failed U.S. "war on drugs"--one of the war profiteer policies that has resulted in tremendous evil and injustice in our own country and in other countries, including the proliferation of weaponry and a thuggish, fascist culture in our prisons and among elements of our police forces. "Liberals" have done these things, not just "conservatives." The Christian right has no monopoly on fostering the ills in our society and the evil that our government has done. To express any righteous satisfaction that this very sick man, who has just slaughtered 80 children, held rightwing views, is wrong and unfair.

There is no sense to be made of his alleged views. He killed 80 children--children who looked just like him.

I myself have been going around with the smug thought in my head that the "Christian right"--whom I loathe as a political force--somehow got these 80 children murdered. But I've thought again. This is unfair and wrong. They may be gun nuts. They may be "survivalists." They may be hypocrites, racists, liars and shills for the super-rich. They may be a lot of things. But a class of people--the "Christian right"--did not kill these children or have anything to do with their deaths. This was an insane act.

One other possibility that needs to be considered--but for which there is no evidence, currently--is that this Norwegian was "programmed." I think this remains a possibility in the Giffords shootings--in which case an element of the far right could be involved, but there is NO evidence, thus far, that this is a possibility in this case, and even if it were true, this would be no justification for condemning a class of people--all "Christian conservatives"--for something done by a cabal of criminals for their own purposes. And I don't consider hyperventilating on political views--or even items like the "target" ads against Giffords--to be responsible for such murders and violence (random mass killings). A psychotic person--or a person programmed to kill--can be moved by any and every kind of trigger. They might "snap" and start shooting people after losing a job and reading some liberal column about injustice or corporate rule. Or they might "snap" and start shooting people at random because some stranger looked at them crosswise. The loss of civilized self-control is NOT related to some other person's expression, whatever their views are. Some other person or group could even be egging someone on to kill a bunch of random people, and it cannot and will not happen just because they said something. To deliberately aim at and shoot random victims, by definition, implies a psychotic break. This can happen all on its own, as the result of individual illness, or it can be induced by drugs and hypnosis. Motiveless, random, mass killing does not have a political direction--no matter what the killer may avow. Only in the case of drugs/hypnosis could political motivation come into it--the motives of the manipulators. A person who "snaps" and starts shooting dozens of other people at random is not in this reality. His politics have nothing to do with it.

I've done a lot of thinking about this--because of losing someone to the Texas Tower sniper. Every time this sort of event occurs, I re-live that horror from long ago. And I think that a lot of what we go through, to explain such events to ourselves, is useless. And it is especially useless to blame a class of people--say, in Whitman's case, the Eagle Scouts, or the U.S. Marines, or Texas gun nuts, or those responsible for sending Whitman to Vietnam. Yes, any of these things might have put pressures on him, but none of them--nor anyone involved in them--ever intended that the result would be my dear friend being shot to death out of the blue amidst a random mass murder. It's conceivable that Whitman was "programmed" or experimented upon by the government--something I will never likely know for sure. In that case, it is specific people within the government who authorized diabolical experiments. It is not everyone in government. It is not everyone who supported the Vietnam War. We DO need to understand this kind of casualty of war--if that's what it was--and oppose war with all our might. And we can certainly blame and condemn others for promoting war, or other bad policies that do great harm. But blaming THIS--a psychosis--on someone's political views is wrong, unfair and oppressive. It is not aimed at understanding. It is aimed at shutting people up, whose views we don't want to hear.

So I would say, don't lose any sleep trying to make sense of his views--whether about race or whatever. He murdered 80 children. And even if others might agree with him, about no racial mixing, or preserving their pure white culture, or whatever he had rattling around in his head, this does NOT make those others in any way responsible for the murders of 80 children. We may loathe their views. We may think their views dangerous and a steppingstone to nazism. They did NOT kill these children. And their ideas did NOT kill these children. HE killed these children, in an utterly pointless act of insanity.

[snagglepuss]

133. Was Hitler and all his minions psychotic? Is psychosis the excuse for every

bloodthirsty nonsensical murder? These aren't rhetorical questions. I really don't know if pychosis is the reason for every vile action such as this however I am inclined to doubt it.

Recently Iran has upped the number of public executions, public events to which parents bring their children. Is everyone involved in this barbarity pyschotic or are have all the participants simply passively and unquestionly accepted the edicts of those in authority?

I think it is dangerous to ignore the role ideology plays especially with respect to mentally unbalanced individuals. Clearly certain ideologies/religions push mentally fragile people over the edge.

[indurancevile]

141. golden boy? he looks like a greasy haired lowlife

[Faygo Kid]

12. Self-described "Christian conservative." FReepers will want him for Congress.

[fascisthunter]

13. 32 year-old Anders Behring Breivik - Christian Norwegian Conservative.

gee, why am I not surprised?

nazis

[Kingofalldems]

14. He attacked a Labour Party youth camp ----hmmm.

The parents have to be devastated.

[Lars77]

16. It's what i suspected

This guy was a right-winger, christian conservative wanna-bee businessman. The labour party has a huge power structure in this country and Utøya is an annual summer camp where young politicians get training and are networking. It's essential for anyone wanting to go high in the labour party.

First he attacked the government structures at a time when few people were around (if this was a normal business week the death toll would have been huge). Then he drove out to Utøya and attacked the political left.



...meanwhile CNN International are STILL talking about muslims.

[jwirr]

23. Thank you, not a surprise that CNN is still talking muslim. In this

country everything is blamed on the muslims by the mainstream media. They will get it in a week or so.

[snagglepuss]

25. It'll be interesting to say the least to see how M$M deals with blond on blond terrorism.

[yardwork]

36. The same way they dealt with Timothy McVeigh - ignore it, pretend it isn't happening.

And in the U.S., they killed McVeigh as quickly as possible. Got rid of him.

[snagglepuss]

40. This asshole doesn't look like a loser, the way McVeigh looked. This guy

is golden boy.

[CJvR]

31. Well the Jihadist...

...did try to claim credit for it. Although then the actual guilty party had the indecency to survive to dispute that claim! Cant trust terrorists these days!

[Lars77]

33. They would've figured this out anyway. That jihadists are tripping over themselves..

is nothing new i guess. It pisses me off that the world media goes nuts over some "unknown group" on "an islamic discussion forum" are taking credit. It could be anyone.


Still. It's strange to see how my little country has become world famous for a day.


The 24 hour cycle is soon over though and we'll go back to watching shots of female tennis players underwear and doomsday weather reports.

[yardwork]

35. Lars, I'm so sorry for what happened in your country.

My heart is aching for the victims. Children.....it is hard to imagine such evil.

I have a question about the man's facebook page. He lists what seem to be a bachelor's degree and a master's degree, but under college he put "independent" and then he writes the number of hours "equivalent to" the degrees he claims. Does this mean that he doesn't actually have the degrees? Or is this a standard way to describe educational accomplishments in Norway? I don't know anything about your educational system.

Again, I am very, very sorry for this tragedy.

[Lars77]

37. No i noticed that too

I am beginning to wonder if he self-taught or something, but then he obviously would'nt have a degree. Maybe he's bragging about how much he knows. I've seen a lot of his postings on discussion forums, they're all quasi-intellectual, and a kind of mix between anti-state, anti-muslim and anti-left.

He has attended a business school though.

It all comes together now.


All that's missing is a facebook-"like" on Ayn Rand and he is diametrically opposed to everything i stand for.
We do share Nineteen-Eighty-Four though. But i suspect he learned something else from it than i did..


To be honest with you it's a relief that it wasnt an islamic attack. I would have really feared for our political future.

[snagglepuss]

45. I too think it would have been dreadful if this was the work of Islamists.

This reminds people that ignorant, vile, murderous filth come in all creeds and colors. And it reminds people that hate is color blind - too many people take too much comfort being surrounded by their "own kind.".

[yardwork]

50. I've never understood the right-wing extremists' preoccupation with George Orwell.

Someday I'm going to try to find out why they all love Orwell so much. I like Orwell - how can we both like him????

[muriel_volestrangler]

55. To them, 1984 was purely a warning against communism

To us (I assume this is your view too) it's a warning against any sort of totalitarianism. If you only read (or, even worse, only saw) '1984' and 'Animal Farm', you might take them as being written from a conservative right wing viewpoint - since Orwell doesn't specify what kind of society he would like in them, only what is wrong. It would be possible to see Big Brother as just a Stalin figure, while ignoring similarities to Hitler as well.

[yardwork]

56. That's what I think too.

[trud]

75. hours, girl, woman

If you add up the educational hours, its years and years apparently post high school. Another oddity.

Thank goodness it says he is single, I thought that nice looking young woman might be his wife. Maybe the older lady is his Mom and the younger one is his sister. Smart move, exposing one's family like that, not.

Words fail me about the children.

[malaise]

67. +1,000

Thanks for your posts today :hi:

[Yo_Mama]

18. Or maybe he is just a lunatic

Like the one who shot up Arizona.

Sometimes a banana is just a banana and a paranoid schizophrenic is just a paranoid schizophrenic.

[Throd]

20. Not if I can use this to reinforce my narrative.

[ck4829]

24. I wonder how many "Islamic militants" are more mentally ill than ideology driven

[snagglepuss]

28. I think they are profoundly mentally ill/ sexually repressed. Blowing themselves

up, blowing other people up, images of unlimited sexual gratification in paradise screams neurosis.

[Yo_Mama]

30. I think a lot

I read some things about the psychology involved a few years ago. Very scholarly. Unfortunately I don't have the links, because psychology is not my bag.

What I got from it was:
A) A person may adopt a deviant idea system that contradicts reality without being insane if the society around him endorses it.

B) But a person raised outside of that environment generally seizes on such an idea as a result of other extreme personal outward stress or as a result of extreme internal stress. So it is very common for schizophrenics, who have an organic problem with brain functioning, to seize upon a simple but highly emotive idea about conspiracies, plots and persecutions. It sort of organizes their mental processes and makes them feel saner.

You do get these nutcases emerging in all known societies, but the type of organizing idea the individual adopts will come from his or her own society. It could be popular culture, a movie, a political philosophy, etc.

[snagglepuss]

48. Both points are interesting but Point B is particularly illuminating. Thanks for posting.

[Yo_Mama]

74. The reason why I am wondering if this guy is a nutcase

is because of the attack on the camp. The bombing he could expect to survive. The attack on the camp he could not reasonably expect to escape from - it had to end with him being caught, at least.

And although I utterly agree with the person who posted about sadists and psychopaths getting off on killing and pain and suffering, usually they do so in a way that allows them to get their jollies with as little personal danger as possible.

So either this guy was kind of committing suicide in as sadistic and harmful a way as possible (a despairing psychopath/sadist), or this guy is one of these total nutjobs.

I mean, think about it. I consider Hitler to be a psychopath, but he sure looked after his own skin! Most of them do. You have all these examples of people who commit multiple murders for the fun of it, but they sure seem to do so in a way designed to allow them to evade the law.

We're all in shock over this. First of all, one does not expect this type of thing anywhere, but especially not in Norway. Second, we're not nuts and psychopaths, so we really can't understand what drives them.

[slackmaster]

76. IMO there is no question that he is a nutcase

Anyone who could do any of the heinous acts the guy is accused of has to be a nutcase, regardless of his rationalizations.

[snagglepuss]

79. I'm starting to think that myself. If he was simply consumed by hatred he could have done

massive harm to Muslims across Europe by detonating the bomb as most everyone would assume it was done by Islamic terrorists and create a massive backlash against Muslims. If he had blown up a mosque he would have been a neo-nazi idol and spurred more violence.

[Swede]

41. Psychopaths and sadists don't give a fuck about ideology

they're in it for the killing and pain inflicted.

[JoeyT]

85. Just read your points below, so deleting the snarkiness.

I will add that it's entirely possible he's perfectly sane. People that become involved in ultra right-wing groups tend to look crazy to outsiders, just because we can't imagine being that paranoid or angry. If you spend a bit of time around someone that's becoming involved in one, you can actually watch the progression from a sane person that's moderately conservative as they gradually slip further and further from reality.

Viewed from close to, these groups aren't actually all that different from growing up in a radical Muslim environment. There's a chosen group, and everyone that isn't in that group are enemies that are dehumanized. As time passes the dehumanization progresses more and more until "Not worth saving" often becomes "Deserves to die" frequently becomes "Someone should kill" sometimes becomes "I should kill.". The group itself is usually virtually indistinguishable from a cult. They often even cut themselves off from family if the family disagrees with them or won't join up.

So whether the guy was insane or not depends on what we're going to use as the definition of insane. Any definition that includes most of the people involved in these groups will almost have to include nearly every terrorist ever of every religion or political stripe.

[riverwalker]

19. his facebook and photo

http://www.facebook.com/people/Anders-Behring-Breivik/100002651290254

[UpInArms]

53. hmmm... is this the face of an "Islamist Jihadist"?

[snagglepuss]

54. It isn't but it could be. Your post could be construed as racist.

[stlsaxman]

70. Assuming he MUST have "muslim" ties could be construed as racist.

-oh and that link from "politicon" you posted? a conservative website that went WAY OUT of their way to say "NOTE: THIS IS UNCONFIRMED!!!"

the guys a Right wing Christian Conservative Whackjob. Plain and simple.

[riverwalker]

29. A Right Winger

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/22/us-norway-gunman-idUSTRE76L6LZ20110722
Man held after Norway attacks right-wing extremist: report

[snagglepuss]

38. Is Palin working for Reuters? That headline makes absolutely no sense..

[muriel_volestrangler]

44. Standard headlinese: "Man held after Norway attacks *is* right-wing extremist"

Verbs like 'is' get left out all the time.

[rpannier]

34. Colleen McEdwards looked so baffled on CNN that it was a Norwegian

and not an International Terrorist

[riverwalker]

39. someone tell CNN

they are still beating the drum for "Al Qaida oooga booga Muslims".
John King, you know how to Google, don't ya? Ya just put your lips together and..

[ck4829]

42. Anders Behring Breivik, 32, suspected of terrorist attacks in Norway.

If you can translate, according to this, he is a "self-described nationalist" who belonged to a number of right wing groups and was not too fond of Muslims.

http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/1.2507598/anders-behring-breivik-32-misstanks-for-attackerna-i-norge

Sounds like this guy tried to stage a false-flag attack.

[Lars77]

43. He shot people in person

Would'nt call that false flag. But yeah he was a right winger, quasi intellectual, anti-socialist and anti state.

I've posted extensively about him in the other threads

[oldhippydude]

78. Lars

i too want offer my condolences to your countrymen, and thank you for the information..

[snagglepuss]

47. How do you figure that when he chose to kill kids on an island from which

he could not escape? How could he not expect to be caught? Had he simply blown up the building and disappeared, I would have had to agree.

[iwishiwas]

61. Have to say, he is good looking (if indeed this is the photo)

I was thinking of his photo compared to the man who shot the congresswoman and the 13 year child.


http://politicons.net/breaking-name-of-utoya-shooter-released%E2%80%A6-anders-behring-breivik%E2%80%A6-photos/

[boppers]

135. Are you referring to Loughner? (Who else has shot a congresswoman?)

Christina was nine.

[Ghost Dog]

62. "Belonged to a number of right wing groups"

Those are the ones to keep a very close eye on. In the police intelligence sense.

[slackmaster]

69. Did he become insane as a result of joining RW groups,

Or vice-versa, or none of the above?

[Yo_Mama]

77. Maybe it started as a false flag attack

Maybe he thought he could get the PM with the car bomb, and have it blamed on the Muslims.

But he failed, so he went to Plan B, which was to whack the PM at the camp. But then he got there, no PM, so in fit of frustration he just shot as many kids as he could.

[fedsron2us]

60. Political egotist and narcissist ?

From what I can see that is the classic profile for many terrorists European or otherwise. I dont know why the media are so surprised that the event may not be the work of international terrorists. Most such incidents round the world even when inspired by wider religious or political affiliations take place within a local political context. True 'international terrorism' is relatively rare. Nor is there any shortage of precedents for right wing terrorist bombings in Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_1980_Bologna_bombing

A quick read of the Chapter the Idea and the Deed in Barbara Tuchmans book The Proud Tower shows that modern terrorism as a process was more or less invented in Europe in the late Victorian and Edwardian era before being exported as an idea to the rest of the world.

[Adsos Letter]

63. One of the posters on his fb page said he was a zionist, angry at the Norwegian Govt.

for their stance re: Palestine.

[slackmaster]

64. A Zionist AND a Freemason?

Oh, boy.

[Adsos Letter]

66. Someone accused him of Freemasonry?

[slackmaster]

68. Yes, see link here for your reading pleasure

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4930766&mesg_id=4931755

[Adsos Letter]

72. Interesting. My Great Grandfather was a 33* Master Mason (Scottish Rite)

Don't think he ever shot anyone though. I wonder if that photo is shopped?

[indurancevile]

142. there are pictures of him in full regalia.

[Judi Lynn]

83. Only a headline from AP: Police say Norway shooting suspect had right-wing and anti-Muslim views, bu

Police say Norway shooting suspect had right-wing and anti-Muslim views, but motive unclear.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/police-say-norway-shooting-suspect-had-right-wing-and-anti-muslim-views-but-motive-unclear/2011/07/22/gIQAxOuYUI_story.html?wprss=rss_world

[Ian David]

84. Norwegian PM to hold press conference at 8 am local (in 10 minutes)

Norwegian PM to hold press conference at 8 am local (in 10 minutes) http://twitter.com/#!/mpoppel/status/94645003334324224

[Omaha Steve]

88. Gunman's background puzzles police in Norway

Source: AP

By KARL RITTER

STOCKHOLM (AP) - The 32-year-old suspected of massacring at least 80 young people at a summer camp and setting off a bomb in downtown Oslo that killed at least seven is a mystery to investigators: a right-winger with anti-Muslim views but no known links to hardcore extremists.

"He just came out of nowhere," a police official told The Associated Press.

Public broadcaster NRK and several other Norwegian media identified the suspected attacker as Anders Behring Breivik, a blond and blue-eyed Norwegian who expressed right-wing and anti-Muslim views on the Internet. Police have the suspect in custody.

Norwegian news agency NTB said Breivik legally owned several firearms and belonged to a gun club. He ran an agricultural firm growing vegetables, an enterprise that could have helped him secure large amounts of fertilizer, a potential ingredient in bombs.

Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20110723/D9OL77U81.html

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Smoke rises from the central area of Oslo Friday, July 22, 2011 after an explosion. Terrorism ravaged long-peaceful Norway on Friday when a bomb ripped open buildings including the prime minister's office and a man dressed as a police officer opened fire at a nearby island youth camp. (AP Photo/Scanpix, Jon Bredo Overaas) NORWAY OUT

[Liberty Belle]

89. Sounds like Timothy McVeigh - a homegrown right-wing wack job!

[aquart]

90. McVeigh did not act alone.

[boppers]

91. "no known links to hardcore extremists"??? WTF.

1. "expressed right-wing and anti-Muslim views on the Internet"
2. "legally owned several firearms and belonged to a gun club"

Both are links.

[muriel_volestrangler]

92. Legally owning fireams is not a link

Expressing the views on the internet is, of a sort, but the point is he was a loner - they don't have any evidence of him meeting other extremists, or organising with them in any way. He's one of thousands of bigots who express views like that on the web.

[boppers]

95. Owning firearms is a link to using force for enforcing a viewpoint.

That viewpoint may be "don't take my stuff", or "I want to kill <badguys>", but it's not a non-extremist position. It's one of violence.

As far as the idiots who think that "meeting" people is a requirement, that's 20th century thinking.... it's akin to somebody in the 70's saying that that a KKK/Panther/SDS radical was a "lone wolf", because while they had contact, and conversations, and interacted with others over the phone, they didn't "meet".

They met on the web. Physical proximity is irrelevant.

[muriel_volestrangler]

97. 'the idiots'? Let's keep this civil, please.

The point is that he expressed his extremist views on the web, but didn't do it in coordination with anyone. No, a phone call is not the equivalent; that's one-to-one communication. I'm not linked to people who post on a forum I use (I don't mean DU; by donating, I have made a link. But I've posted elsewhere, and just because someone expresses similar views to me on a forum, that does not mean I have a link with them; it's not 'meeting').

And your claims that anyone with a legally-held firearm is taking a right wing violent position is absurd. I'm no fan of firearms, but your claim just doesn't stand up to a moment's scrutiny.

[boppers]

100. Thank you for the check/reminder.

"the idiots" is a phrase I likely use, too often, for people who grew up pre-internet. A better phrase would likely be "those pre-internet".

"The point is that he expressed his extremist views on the web, but didn't do it in coordination with anyone. No, a phone call is not the equivalent; that's one-to-one communication. I'm not linked to people who post on a forum I use (I don't mean DU; by donating, I have made a link. But I've posted elsewhere, and just because someone expresses similar views to me on a forum, that does not mean I have a link with them; it's not 'meeting')."

Adjusting this to the internet generation, this is akin to saying somebody hung out on a KKK chat board, but did not send personal messages to others on the board. They went to KKK meetings, but did not meet with members afterwards.

"And your claims that anyone with a legally-held firearm is taking a right wing violent position is absurd. I'm no fan of firearms, but your claim just doesn't stand up to a moment's scrutiny."

People used to burn crosses as "social protest", and it was acceptable then, as a "social protest".

Because society accepted it.

Just like society currently accepts people with firearms.

[fedsron2us]

121. The Idea is the parent of the Deed

I think it is important to understand that terrorism can be generated simply from an ideological milieu. It does not require central organization or control. Late 19th century and early 20th century anarchists carried out numerous terrorist attacks and succeeded in killing 6 heads of state between 1894 and 1912. They all shared common ideas but there is little evidence to show their activities were coordinated. Given that simply imbibing certain views can cause people to kill it is clear that those that generate the Idea can be every bit as deadly and culpable as those who perform the Deed.

[pitohui]

122. yes that's the scary thing

i agree w. muriel, spouting off online and having guns is hardly proof that one's a terrorist...

if every whackadoo who expressed extremist views on the internet and owned several guns was a terrorist, we'd be having incidents like this every single day...there are tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of these racists who spout off and own guns, but you don't assume every big mouth with a gun cabinet and a computer is going to try to wipe out an entire summer camp full of young people!

i've heard many whackadoos make comments about the christian, conservative, etc. way, about defending "our" way of life, and so forth...all of those whackadoos have guns, it would never cross my mind to assume these guys were going to actually act on their stupid "beliefs"

what would jesus do? hose down a bunch of kids with gunfire? i just don't think so...who could have predicted this? i feel a bit lost, with 9/11 it seemed obvious that the usa gov't dropped the ball and failed to prevent a preventable attack

with this, at the moment, i don't know who could have guessed or predicted such a thing

very very scary -- to the guy who said "the link" or the clue is that the guy posted online and had guns, don't you understand that almost EVERYONE posts online and many people own guns, this does not allow you to find the terrorist, instead if you want every such person who posts unpopular views and who also owns a gun to be investigated for starters they'd practically be shutting down DU and any other site with a lot of americans (many many americans of all views have guns! many many loudmouths of all views have guns! would investigating ALL of them avert tragedy or would it allow for more tragedy by wasting law enforcement resources?) -- it may be that it is unusual enough for a european to own guns that all of them could be investigated but i doubt it, i would need to be convinced of it frankly

[boppers]

123. Read the posts.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/anders-behring-breiviks-online-comments

This wasn't some guy using racial racial slurs from time to time.

"if every whackadoo who expressed extremist views on the internet and owned several guns was a terrorist, we'd be having incidents like this every single day"

When was that last year the world went without a terrorist incident?

Last month?

Last week?

We have this shit going on *every* *day* in the world. Sometimes the western press cares, sometimes not. Sometimes they kill many, sometimes they kill few.

[Bosonic]

93. May be a second shooter still on the loose...

Police fear the perpetrator may be on the loose

(AP) Police fear there may still be a culprit on the loose after the terrorist attack against AUF-camp on Utøya.

As the AP reported earlier today said a number of youngsters who survived the shooting massacre at Utøya that there must be two perpetrators. Several have also described the appearance of man number two to VG.

The person was not wearing a police uniform, so Anders Behring Breivik (32) was when he was arrested and charged with terrorist attacks in Oslo and Utøya.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fnyheter%2Finnenriks%2Foslobomben%2Fartikkel.php%3Fartid%3D10080633

[CJCRANE]

94. Norwegian media reporting a second person arrested but may be unrelated. nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

107. Sounds as if he may have been released, since he talked to reporters:

And in a further development police detained a man outside a hotel where Norway’s prime minister was meeting families of shooting victims. The man told reporters he was detained “because I have a knife”.

The man, who appeared to be around 20 years old, was standing outside the hotel next to reporters when two officers apprehended him and led him to a police car.

The man told reporters he was a member of the Labour Party’s youth wing and was carrying a knife “because I feel unsafe”.

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/witnesses-alert-police-to-second-suspect-in-norway-shooting-513931.html#ixzz1Svzd1J79

Or perhaps he just said/shouted that while being arrested?

[War Horse]

96. A "summary" of the shooter, of sorts:

http://hurryupharry.org/2011/07/23/anders-behring-breivi-worried-that-muslims-were-threatening-norways-youth-wanted-to-establish-norwegian-edl/

Rather telling, I suppose

[suffragette]

111. Sounds like he was active in the Progress Party

http://hurryupharry.org/2011/07/23/anders-behring-breivi-worried-that-muslims-were-threatening-norways-youth-wanted-to-establish-norwegian-edl/

I have worked several years for the Progress Party and guarantee you that the Progress Party had less than 10% support if they had not chosen Vienna School of Thought as an ideological basis.


More ugliness here:
I have on some occasions discussed with SIOE and EDL and recommended them to use conscious strategies.

The tactics of the EDL is now out to “entice” an overreaction from Jihad Youth / Extreme-Marxists something they have succeeded several times already. Over The reaction has been repeatedly shown on the news which has booster EDLs ranks high. This has also benefited BNP. WinWin for both.




This sounds like someone forming connections to right-wing groups locally and across Europe rather than a loner.

[AntiFascist]

117. This is very interesting....

he sounds like a neocon who fears that multi-cultural acceptance of Muslims is a symptom of Marxism. The "tactics of the EDL" to entice Jihad Youth and Marxist extremists is very telling, also the mention of control of intelligence. He may have been crazy, but he also had some interesting connections and contacts.

[suffragette]

119. Yes, those look like connections and contacts to me

Much like other "lone wolfs" have had:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1552501&mesg_id=1556992

[Proletariatprincess]

98. This story will have a short life....

since the perp. is not a Muslim. Because everyone knows that Christians can't be terrorists, right???? (snark)

[ctwayne]

101. I Agree

Since the gunman is a right wing Christian, this slaughter will quickly be forgotten. However, if it were a Muslim, we would soon be dropping cruise missiles on his homeland.

[6000eliot]

99. I just heard the guy described as a "lone wolf."

How the fuck do they know this at this point? Whenever the terrorist is a white guy on the far right, the media goes out of their way to try to portray his actions as completely unmotivated and the singular actions of a mad man. Timothy McVeigh had connections too. I remember a news report about a member of Congress who had some information about him through his connections to the militia movement, but I never heard another word about it.

[Demeter]

106. The CIA Likes Lone Wolves

And that's why I am so afraid this leads back to US.

[BadtotheboneBob]

108. Oh, Please, elaborate ...

You say that to say what?

[AntiFascist]

118. See post #111 above....

his writings could be very dangerous to the Right. Best for them to paint him as a lone psychotic.

[Yo_Mama]

102. The worst sentence this guy can get is 21 years

according to this article:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-22/oslo-blast-shatters-windows-at-prime-minister-s-office-nearby-buildings.html

Is that so? Whatever his motive(s), he is a mass murderer (if they have the right perp) and clearly extremely dangerous.

[CJCRANE]

103. I doubt that's accurate, he's been charged with terrorism

according to the reports I saw and I'm sure there will be other multiple charges.

[Yo_Mama]

104. They cited the police chief

“He has been charged in both the explosion in the center of the government area and also the shooting,” Roger Andresen, deputy Oslo police chief, told reporters today. The two counts of “dangerous crimes to society” mean he could receive 21 years in prison, Norway’s toughest punishment, he said.

[CJCRANE]

114. Fair enough

If that's their toughest punishment then I suppose they can't sentence him to more than that. I hope he shows some remorse eventually and realizes what he's done.

[Diclotican]

105. Yo_Mama

Yo_Mama

He can get 21 year in prison thats true.. But he can be hold in protective custody, for the rest of his natural life, if the authorites deems it to be the right thing..

And he would posible never live long in Norway, even if he was released from Prison after 21 year.. In fact I belive him to not live to long inside a prison either...

Diclotican

[Yo_Mama]

115. Well, that makes sense

The protective custody, I mean. I know different countries have different justice systems. Such a thing would not be possible in the US for most types of crimes (unless insanity were involved, and the person was deemed cured later).

After someone has killed over 50 people and if found guilty and sane, it seems unfeasible for the peace of all to let such a person out to wander. I have no real comprehension of the internal process that drives some sane people to adopt such ideologies, but I doubt the ideology is curable.

And the families of all those killed or harmed would suffer severely.

[Diclotican]

120. Yo_Mama

Yo_Mama

I think it is maybe for the best, that this person are found mentaly mad.. Becouse if he sane as a sparrow, and beeing doing this horrible act. No one can explain it.. Even if he was find to be a nut case it is not easy to understand why this could happend..

And I doubt he wil ever be shown as a free man after this.. Even if he was made a free man after 21-25 year, it wil be peopole who would hunt him down, and give him a really bad time.. Even maybe kill him.. It wil be no places in Norway, who would be safe for him after this. Even friends of him, who have known him for years, are now showing their backs to him, and have told the news, that this was somting out of the blue..

To be honest, i really belive ideology is just one part of his "madness" Norway had their problems in the late 1980/1990s, when it came to nationalistic groups who was on the raise. But by the mid 1990s, this groups was more or less dispanded, as police and most other welfare groups had been doing their job, making the reqitment for this type of organisations, something that they could not be able to do.. And after sept 11, in 2001, most of the police tools was made aviable for controlling, and keep and eye on islamic extremist - who by the way is verry small in Norway.. And it is doubtfull they would be able to do something like this. Even tho it was really fear it was an islamic extremist bomb who had exploded in Norway.. We are often been seen as "the soft belly" when i came to security..

Diclotican

[Blue_Tires]

109. I don't think he acted alone

Hopefully the "alone, deranged lunatic who could NEVER be part of a larger, organized shadow movement" -talking point doesn't take root like it does in the U.S.

[CJvR]

110. Media stupidity!

Apparently some reporters thought it would be a good idea to call people hiding from a homicidal psycopath for a little chat.

[Lars77]

125. Turns out he wrote a 1500 page book (in English!). Here's a chilling excerpt:

Being a Justiciar Knight is not for everyone. You are normally required to plan absolutely everything alone; fight alone to see your mission through and you are likely to die alone with half of your city’s system protectors hunting you. However, I have never in my life felt that I have done anything more meaningful than what I am doing now regardless of the lack of moral support from my founding brothers or other armed resistance fighters. Support from our extremely distributed and anonymous “non-hierarchy” out there would be nice but I have managed to cope through mental discipline to become what I am today; a self driven and highly effective manifestation of an independent resistance cell. I have managed to stay focused and highly motivated for a duration of more than 9 years now. I feel really happy about my current course. In fact, I have never been happier than I am today and I do not find it problematical hide my true ideological agenda from everyone else. To all I know I am a moderate right-winger and not a resistance fighter. It isn’t easy to reach this level of mental comfort and focus while at the same time working on something so important and serious. You have to overcome difficult initial psychological challenges and perform a slight subsequent mental check every single day until the operation is complete. This shouldn’t be underestimated as it is perhaps the most important aspect of being a part of an “open-source resistance network” where you rely on being able to motivate yourself. Embracing martyrdom is not something you suddenly decide to do, but it is a process that takes time and requires effort and self contemplation. This is a factor that a majority of resistance fighters ignore and is why a majority of novices become de-motivated after a certain period. They are not doing what is required of them due to lack of training, knowledge and eventually lose the will to fight due to lack of motivation. I do a mental check almost every day through meditation and philosophising. I simulate/meditate while I go for a walk, playing my Ipod in my neighbourhood. This consists of a daily 40 minute walk while at the same time philosophising ideologically/performing self indoctrination and the mental simulation of the operation while listening to motivational and inspiring music. I simulate various future scenarios relating to resistance efforts, confrontations with police, future interrogation scenarios, future court appearances, future media interviews etc. or I philosophise about certain articles in the book. This daily mental exercise or ritual keeps me fully motivated and charges my batteries. And I’m sure it can work for other people as well.

[snagglepuss]

127. "Martyrdom". Oh the sick irony of sounding exactly like an Islamist suicide bomber.

[Lars77]

128. Especially when he surrendered to the police. nt

[snagglepuss]

130. I don't see a parallel there. I find it rather mystifying why he surrendered rather

than die as a martyr since being a martyr involves death.

[Lars77]

131. I was just being sarcastic about his stupid actions. nt

[Lars77]

129. More:

The time for dialogue is over. We gave peace a chance. The time has come for armed resistance. PCCTS, Knights Templar on behalf of the free people of Europe, hereby declares war on the cultural marxist/multicultural regimes of Western Europe. We acknowledge that Europe has technically been at civil war since 1999 when Europe and American cultural marxists/multiculturalists through NATO declared an attack on the christian Serbian forces, and took away their right to stop Islam in their country of birth.

[boppers]

136. Source?

Sounds like interesting reading, in the same way that Mein Kampf, Das Kapital, and the Unabomber Manifesto were.... all written by broken madmen, but all had their own internal logic, however horrific/absurd.

[Lars77]

138. The manifesto is all over the net, but i won't contribute to its spreading, sorry. nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

140. Journalists think it's genuine:

On Saturday, Norway’s TV2, citing police sources, reported that the suspect uploaded a video to YouTube and a 1,500-page manifesto, written in English, to the Norwegian Web site Freak.no just hours before the attacks.

Both the manifesto, “2083: A European Declaration of Independence,” and the YouTube video were signed “Andrew Berwick,” an apparent Anglicization of Anders Breivik. Both also make extensive reference to the Crusades and the supposed threats to Christian Europe posed by Muslim immigrants and leftist political leaders.

Kevin Slaughter, an American blogger, posted a copy of the manifesto on Google Docs, and embedded the original video in a post on his blog. The video was removed from YouTube later on Saturday, but copies of it quickly appeared on other Web sites.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/scouring-the-web-for-clues-to-a-suspected-attackers-motives/?smid=tw-thelede&seid=auto

Google finds a PDF on Kevin Slaughter's site, but I think it's overloaded. Everyone says the writing is coherent and often articulate (especially considering it's not his first language), and at first just what you find on many websites - and not always extreme. Other bloggers have found things in it like a claim of justification that this is a continuation of the Crusades and therefore has papal backing. Whether that should be taken seriously or not, I don't know - anyone who can produce a coherent document and release it just before a massacre could easily put things in it to misdirect investigators.

[indurancevile]

143. in that video at the end there are three photos of him: one in masonic regalia,

one in military uniform, and one in a frogman/special ops type wetsuit with a weapon.

i would like to know what uniform that is. it has a skull patch on one shoulder but doesn't look like any nazi type uniform i know of. it is red white and blue. norwegian army or something?

[muriel_volestrangler]

144. Looks more dark green to me (with red piping)

There are more medals there than I think he can have won (I think someone may have mentioned brief military service, but I got the impression that was their standard national service (19 months, according to Wikipedia). So as well as the skull on the arm, I suspect anything on it could be made up.

Here's a Flickr "new Norwegian uniform" photo from 2009 from the official Norwegian Army stream:

[mcg]

145. He was a leader in the Progress Party's youth movement.

The head of the populist right-wing Progress Party (FrP), Siv Jensen, said on Saturday she was sorry to learn that the suspect had been a party member between 1999 and 2006 and for several years a leader in its youth movement.

Norway suspect 'fundamentalist Christian'
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/norway-suspect-fundamentalist-christian-20110724-1huqg.html