Kloppenburg campaign to file recount papers

[highplainsdem]

Source: WKOW

MADISON (WKOW) -- JoAnne Kloppenburg for Supreme Court Justice campaign has just arrived at the Government Accountability Board's office to file papers for a recount.

The campaign plans to hold a news conference at 4:00 Wednesday afternoon.

Kloppenburg campaign staffers have put up campaign signs as the backdrop at the news conference.

The campaign has until 5:00 p.m. to request a recount in the Supreme Court election.

Read more: http://www.wkow.com/Global/story.asp?S=14482946

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Below is the tweet I saw and posted first before checking the WKOW site:

WKOW WKOW 27
BREAKING: It's official. Kloppenburg's campaign has filed papers with GAB for a statewide recount
2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[plumbob]

1. Excellent!

Get 'em!

[Cal33]

54. I hope they've asked for a hand recount., and that there will be enough

young and well computer-trained Democratic witnesses taking active part in the
counting, and watching things every step of the way. I don't trust a recount
by machines at all. When they are in danger of being caught having practiced
fraud in the election, you can be sure Repubs. will be using every trick in
the book to make the cheating look honest. They wouldn't want to end up in
jail, do they? And this applies to every polling place in the entire state.

The above is also a prelude of what will be widely taking place throughout
the whole country in Nov. 2012! Let's hope Democrats have finally wised up
to the Repubs. fraudulent ways, and will really prevent them from ever happening
again.

[plumbob]

64. Amen.

Could not have said it better.

[highplainsdem]

2. More from a WKOW reporter on Twitter:

crobertson_wkow Colby Robertson
by WKOW
Kevin Kennedy says the recount will begin the week of April 25. They'll hold a teleconference with county clerks Monday afternoon
11 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Tx4obama]

3. GAB: Kloppenburg requests statewide recount

The Government Accountability Board says Supreme Court candidate JoAnne Kloppenburg has requested a statewide recount.

With the county canvasses in, Justice David Prosser had a 7,316-vote lead over Kloppenburg. He has publicly discouraged Kloppenburg from seeking a second calling, calling such a move "frivolous" and a waste of taxpayer dollars.

GAB Director Kevin Kennedy said in a statement the recount will begin next week.

"We have been preparing for a recount since Election Night," Kennedy said. "We have assembled an internal team to direct the recount, we have been in close consultation with our county clerk partners, and have arranged for legal representation by the Wisconsin Department of Justice."

http://elections.wispolitics.com/



GAB statement:

MADISON, WI – Kevin Kennedy, director and general counsel of the Wisconsin Government Accountability Board issued the following statement today:

“The Government Accountability Board is prepared to move forward with a statewide recount of votes for Supreme Court Justice, as requested by the Kloppenburg campaign today. We have been preparing for a recount since Election Night. We have assembled an internal team to direct the recount, we have been in close consultation with our county clerk partners, and have arranged for legal representation by the Wisconsin Department of Justice. We anticipate the recount will begin the week of April 25, and plan to hold a teleconference meeting for county clerks on Monday afternoon.”

http://wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=234087

[catgirl]

4. Great!!

[The Wizard]

5. There has been a lot of time for Prosser

to sanitize the purloined election results.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

21. the Op-scan ballots have been "sealed" but in the office of NICKOLAUS

all these weeks. Is that a legitimate chain of custody?

[freshwest]

51. I don't believe the woman comprehends that nicety. They need another election.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

57. Kloppenburg questions partiality & integrity of the GAB & staff

A reporter asked her why her team wants to get an independent investigator to look into Waukesha County, since the GAB is (supposedly) independent. Kloppenburg said the GAB staff's involvement w/ Nickolaus since the election compromises their ability to take an independent view of what has taken place.

Another reporter said that Kevin Kennedy (head of WI GAB) has assured us he had investigated, and that this was basically a mistake and error by Nicolaus, nothing else to it. Kloppenburg said "I don't know what he was looking at" but that her team had found a number of issues that they felt warranted further investigation by a professional, independent investigator.

Pretty cool. She has just attacked the credibility of the GAB, their staff and their supervisor, Kennedy.

[marions ghost]

72. typical

:eyes:

[Blue Owl]

77. Plenty of chances for an incompetent blunder to occur

I hope she is one of many co-conspirators who will GO DOWN at the end of this recount/investigation.

[L. Coyote]

82. Don't you mean the Walker Cronies in charge of County Clerk's Ofiices

Prosser can't get near a ballot even if he wants to.
But, they are in the custody of a lot of highly-partisan Republican clerks.

[SoapBox]

6. Yes, Yes, YES!

[Iliyah]

7. Fight back

and I don't care what the experts say, this smells.

[highplainsdem]

8. WKOW.com has streaming video to watch live -- you need Silverlight

(which I didn't have so I missed most of this so far)

[madamesilverspurs]

9. Good news. Glad it's statewide.

Count me among those who suspect that Waukesha was a distraction, intended to divert attention away from problems elsewhere. Given current events nationally, and certainly since 2000 and 2004, we have absolutely no reason to trust republican apparatchiks. In fact, we'd be foolish to trust them on any level. So, yeah. Count by hand if you have to, but recount.


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[drm604]

37. That's my suspicion.

It just seems designed to play with our heads and turn our anger and suspicion towards Waukesha County and Kathy Nickolaus.

[L. Coyote]

83. Ding, ding. BINGO!

The Kloppenburg campaign and the State Dems have this data and chart in hand!

FOCUS on Milwaukee County's red shift!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

10. STATEWIDE RECOUNT!

http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=14484750

The Wisconsin Government Accountability Board confirms JoAnne Kloppenburg has requested a statewide recount in the state Supreme Court race. In a news conference Wednesday afternoon, Kloppenburg said there were "anomalies" in the canvassing, including Winnebago and Waukesha counties.

She said in addition to seeking a the recount, she's calling on Governor Walker to appoint a special investigator to "thoroughly" look into the actions of the Waukesha County Clerk.
:bounce: :woohoo: :bounce: :fistbump:

[Iliyah]

13. You think

Heil Walker is going to comply? HELL NO, and if so, it will be one of his minons.

[Matariki]

14. calling on Governor Walker to appoint a 'special investigator' ?

:rofl:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

19. Yeah, that is dumb

Im so excited I didn't read that carefully. :blush: We'll have to object to that - next rally.

[drm604]

39. I doubt that she actually thinks he'll do it.

But this will make him have to publicly refuse.

[freshwest]

62. This must happen. Don't focus on the woman who made the vote moot by breaking chain of custody.

Don't give into these fascists.

[midnight]

11. Good news....

[highplainsdem]

12. kick

[senseandsensibility]

15. Thanks for being a great source for us!

I knew I'd hear about this first from you. Great news, of course!!!:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[highplainsdem]

95. Thanks for the kind words! I was so anxious about this decision I finally decided to try Twitter

just in case there was some breaking news....and there it was. What a relief....

And a reason to celebrate! :toast:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

16. Pictures from today's rally - courtesy of Scuba

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x930158

(3 were there from DU :)

[iwishiwas]

17. BRAVO JoAnne--YOU DID THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU.

[iwishiwas]

18. Hoped they filed. They have about 10minutes yet (central time).

[eowyn_of_rohan]

20. Requesting Hand Count in a number of districts - machine otherwise

Kloppenburg pointed to a number of reported irregularities around the state, including in Waukesha County, as well as Racine and Milwaukee and a number of other areas, that led to her decision to ask for such a count. She also mentioned unusual undervote rates in a number of areas that the campaign had examined.

"I've asked for a recount to determine what the right count is, and also to preserve confidence in the electoral process," she said in response to a question from reporters.

Kloppenburg stated that her campaign would be asking for a hand count of ballots in a number of districts, and will work with the Wisconsin Government Accountability Board ...to determine which areas should be hand counted. State recount procedures allow for a machine recount of paper ballots unless ordered by a court for hand examination.
(actually she has to OBTAIN a court order)

Referring to critics of such a post-election examination of results, Kloppenburg was unflinching in her response. "They've called it a drama and a circus, but actually it's called American Democracy."

[murielm99]

22. I still think the entire state should be recounted by hand.

I believe, along with a number of other DUers, that there was sleight of hand in counties that we have not even thought about.

[Jackpine Radical]

25. I sympathize with your concern.

They have obviously done careful and creative statistical analyses (in fact I forwarded one such analysis that I had found online to them). I have seen some brilliant analyses, scanning all sorts of intricate statistical factors in search of nonrandom events. These analyses are like infrared cameras, identifying the nonrandom "hotspots" wherever they might occur and allowing them to precisely focus in where they need to. I'll trust their judgment on this one.

[L. Coyote]

85. See post #83 above

[Jackpine Radical]

89. Indeed. That's the one I sent the campaign.

The Gang that Couldn't Vote Straight is gonna be done in; they left the kind of tracks in the data that you just can't hide from a good applied statistician. They outsmarted themselves largely because the only kind of statisticians they know about are the ones they hire to lie about things like polling results and global warming.

[freshwest]

92. Hold that thought! The GAB filed in court to have the data erased:

Wisconsin GAB prepares to DESTROY EVIDENCE before the recount. What???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=936878&mesg_id=936878

Check it out.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

28. That is definitely what we want...

There are a few puzzling details in this release, and a lot to absorb. Like asking Gov Walker to appoint someone to investigate Nickolaus (Is she required to ask HIM?) I guess we also have to realize her attorneys have probably told her how to phrase things for this statement. Legal posturing, so to speak?

[Jackpine Radical]

31. Of course. She will be following a very careful protocol.

This is a necessary step. You have to assume the good faith of the Governor until he proves otherwise. You always exhaust your lower-level remedies before going to higher levels so that the higher authorities can't say "Why didn't you try X first before coming to us?"

[eowyn_of_rohan]

76. Do you know that news detail was False? Absolutely awful news coverage of her statement...

Here is what she really said:

Her team is "...calling on the Gov't Accountability Board to appoint a special investigator to thoroughly and completely investigate the actions and words of the Waukesha Co. Clerk."

Nothing about Walker.

[Jackpine Radical]

96. Holeeee shit, terrible reporting is right!!1!

[ooglymoogly]

79. That is why they need to bring Clint Curtise on board to uncover

any anomalies that a vote count can't discover.

[EC]

35. I think Racine may of been off...

it's got a large black residency and I can't believe it's as red as portrayed in the numbers for this election. But then again - their newspaper carried Michelle Melkin's column last I checked.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

40. She mentioned Racine, Milwaukee, and a number of other areas

looks like you may be right!

[cate94]

23. K & R

Awesome news!

[Jackpine Radical]

24. OMG, I'm so proud of that woman right now…

The adults are taking Wisconsin back.

[flamingdem]

26. good to hear! nt

[CatWoman]

27. all I can say is

:applause:

[ginnyinWI]

29. And away we go...

I saw the conference live. She's a smart lady. One reporter asked her if she felt that "blah blah blah", and her answer was something like, "I don't feel. I'm a litigator and I deal with facts."

[think4yourself]

30. Gorgeous!

This is amazing! Wisconsin is leading the way!!!!!!
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[LisaL]

32. Well good.

[beac]

33. Good news. K&R n/t

[Lovette]

34. Due to the dire outcome of this election

It would have been politically inappropriate not to have a recount; I applauded her decision to do so. . :applause:

[GreenTea]

36. FUCK YEAH! In the words Mark Crispin Miller just emailed....

"This took guts--guts that Democrats don't often show.

This recount will include a close look at the "unusually high undervote rates in a number
of areas that the campaign has examined," as well "irregularities around the state," such
as Milwaukee and Racine (and, of course, Waukesha).

Although there are big questions here (most notably, the ballot chain of custody), this
is an extraordinary moment. So let's all stand with JoAnne Kloppenburg, and stay
vigilant against all efforts to prevent, delay, disrupt or otherwise fiddle with this recount".

MCM

[marions ghost]

73. !!!++++++!!!!

MCM is always right about this stuff.

:toast:

[L. Coyote]

86. Actually MCM can be completely wrong and very biased.

He buys into the Tennesee SMARTech false flag operation.

[Dave From Canada]

38. Good luck making up 7,000 votes. Sounds like she's a sore loser.

[LaPera]

41. Sounds like you don't know what the fuck your talking about!

Waukesha County, Wisconsin's County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus was already known, for some time, to be among the nation's worst elections official. And that's saying quite a bit. But new information being discovered over the past several days suggests she may be even worse than previously known --- which is also saying quite a bit.

We noted last Friday that the stunning 14,000+ "new" votes she announced as having discovered in the state's Supreme Court election from the city of Brookfield last Thursday actually weren't "new" at all. In fact, they were independently reported late on Election Night by Lisa Sink of the Brookfield Patch, exactly as they were eventually included in Nickolaus' final canvass report .

If anything, as we indicated in the same article, it is perhaps more troubling that the city of Brookfield's numbers didn't change at all from Election Night, suggesting that the ballots have never been examined by any human beings in order to assure the accuracy of the oft-failed, easily-manipulated optical-scanners used to tabulate the paper ballots in Waukesha (and across most of the state.)

That's just one reason why a complete public hand-count of all paper ballots should be carried out in Waukesha right now, presuming the chain of custody for those ballots can be demonstrated as having been secure since Election Night. Given the razor-thin margin of the still unofficial final results in the race between Justice David Prosser (a partisan Republican and avowed Gov. Scott Walker supporter) and the independent Asst. Attorney General JoAnne Kloppenburg, a similarly public hand-count of all paper ballots across the entire state should be a no-brainer at this point in order to achieve some form of confidence in the results of the, reportedly, incredibly close contest.

The "Protect Our Elections" campaign of VelvetRevolution.us has now publicly called for exactly that --- a public hand-count of all paper ballots across the entire state.

Last week, The BRAD BLOG also detailed some of Nickolaus' horrific record as County Clerk, and just a few of the embarrassments she's caused for her county, including her practice of keeping election results only on a circa 1995 personal computer in her office; using the same user ID and password for all of the employees allowed to access it; and refusing to release city-by-city, much less ward-by-ward election results on Election Night. (The latter is one of the reasons the "missing" 14,000+ votes weren't noticed by anyone in the media or citizenry earlier.) Those were just a few of the troubling concerns highlighted in an independent audit carried out on behalf of the County Board of Executives last year after they'd discovered many serious deficiencies and security concerns in Nickolaus' election procedures.

But now, thanks to some great citizen oversight --- to be sure, not easy to do in Nickolaus' county, as she makes it as absolutely as difficult as possible for citizens to oversee their own elections --- from a blogger at the Daily Kos, we learn still more troubling facts about elections and their administration in the very Republican-leaning Waukesha, including evidence suggesting 20,000 more votes than "ballots cast" were tallied by Nickolaus in the county's 2006 general election, and a remarkable 97.63% voter turnout there in the 2004 Presidential election.

We've been trying to get to the bottom of these anomalies since they were first discovered a few days ago, and we've been going back and forth with Nickolaus to try and clear them up. Here's what we've been able to figure out.

Where We Stand on the Election At This Hour

The Badger State remains on edge as they await one last county, Milwaukee, to come in with their final canvass report. After which, the candidates will have just three days to determine if they wish to request a computer recount of ballots. In order to have a hand-count of ballots, they would have to receive a court order after somehow demonstrating evidence that the results of the election would be changed if a hand-count was carried out.

Those county canvass reports --- it must be underscored again --- include results which have not been verified by human beings. Rather, the vast majority of results represent unverified totals as reported by computers made by Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia and Populex, programmed for the election by people like Kathy Nickolaus. As of now, Prosser is believed to have a lead over Kloppenburg of just over 7,000 votes out of 1.5 million cast according to those computer-reported results.

In the meantime, as we wait, DailyKos blogger "yourguide" has done a bit of looking over previous election results in Waukesha County elections and has found what appear, in any case, to be some startling anomalies. One of those anomalies, as of last Tuesday night, resulted in a number of addenda --- rather confusing ones, at that --- added by Nickolaus to the Waukesha election results web page in hopes of offering explanation.

97.63% Voter Turnout in 2004?

Let's start first with the 2004 Presidential Election turnout anomaly, as "yourguide" first detailed on Monday:
Apparently in 2004 the polls in Waukesha were teeming with voters as the Waukesha County Clerk's office showed a 97.63% turn out. No, that's not a typo. 97.63%

http://www.waukeshacount...ary_Report_Nov2_2004.lst

Of the 236,642 registered voters in Waukesha on Nov 2, 2004 apparently 231,031 of them came out in a hint of rain and drizzle and did their civic duty.

Just to put this in perspective, Australia has compulsory (mandatory) voting and their turnout is 95%.

Indeed, "yourguide" appears to be correct. Here's a screenshot from the report of the official 2004 results as currently posted on the Waukesha County government website:

While waiting to hear back from Nickolaus on our inquiry into that remarkable turnout number, we discussed the possibilities of an explanation for it with John Washburn of Fair Elections Wisconsin. Washburn, an Election Integrity expert and colleague who we've known for some time (he has guest blogged at The BRAD BLOG on several occasions over the years) is a self-described "Ron Paul Republican" and a David Prosser voter who has even spoken on Nickolaus' behalf in the past. He's also held her feet to the fire over the years at the same time, as an Election Integrity advocate and award-winning open records investigator. Despite his Right-leaning political preferences, we've found him to be an impeccable source on such matters.

During our interview with Washburn yesterday on KPFK/Pacifica, in response to our request for a possible explanation for those absurdly high turnout numbers, he joked, "I don't know, Stalin came to Waukesha and got the compulsory vote there too?"

But Washburn had previously speculated off air, during a phone conversation we'd had on Tuesday night, that the "REGISTERED VOTERS = TOTAL" line, as seen above, could refer only to those voters who were registered prior to Election Day, as Wisconsin allows for same-day registration at the polls on the day of the election. So, in fact, he averred, the "TOTAL" number of "REGISTERED VOTERS", as Nickolaus' report describes them, wouldn't actually be the total number of registered voters after Election Day, with a lot of folks signing up to vote at the polls, especially during the much-contested 2004 Presidential Election.

That, in fact, turns out to the explanation that Nickolaus is now offering as well. In a note added to her county election results website last night, following our pressing her for an explanation for this via email on Tuesday and Wednesday, Nickolaus now writes:
How can the percentage of turnout be so high?

* Waukesha County is known for higher than State average turnout. In addition the turnout is calculated using the number of registered voters, prior to Election Day. As Wisconsin allows for Election Day registration the turnout number would be skewed dependent on the number of people that registered Election Day.

(Much more)
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8472#more-8472

[Dave From Canada]

42. Reallyl? You think she's gonna make up 7,000 votes? How exactly? At least legally.

[LaPera]

44. See above post-The very least it will open the books to years of republicans slimy voting tactics

purging of Dem & minorities voters, unauthorized voting and tabulation counts, electronic voting discrepancies, cheating and lying that's been going on in WI and all around the country (uh the US) for years - Just do a goggle search on Georgia electronic voting machine bullshit of Dem senator and Dem governor in 2002 both with double digit leads, ALL exit polling came out big time for both Dems, both Dems were leading with good size leads going past midnight, then early in the morning (a "magical" flip happened) and the both republican declared victory---completely impossible odds of this actually occurring the republicans and the republican Secretary of State who were in charge of ALL voting and voting machines in Georgia which is still 100% Diebold electronic voting machines. ...Go ahead do a search.

Republican can't win most elections without cheating, keeping low turn-out and as they are doing now all over the country governors making new laws to keep people from voting forcing birth certificates so no more voter registration at super markets and malls...they lied and cheated and got rid of ACORN that was very successful in bringing your first time voters - At the very least this recount will expose some of these slimy republican tactics.....

That why republicans are fighting hard to stop any recount because they were thousands of votes discrepancies in precincts all over the state of WI.

Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser held a press conference at the state Capitol on Monday, in which he declared victory in his reelection race --- and at which his campaign advisers said they would object to any recount that might be requested by Prosser's opponent, Assistant Attorney General JoAnne Kloppenburg.

The Prosser campaign went on the offensive at the presser in hopes of keeping a state-wide examination of ballots, meant to ensure the true winner of the 10-year term on the state's high court, from taking place at all.

[Blacksheep214]

45. How about if they weren't legally secured

AND were subject to tampering.

Maybe not in Canada, but here I want to see our ballots treated like evidence in a murder trial.

A chain of secure custody must be retained.

So Dave, do you know something we don't or are you just being argumentative, eh?

A recount is good to prove our elections were handled correctly. Questions remain!

[PuffedMica]

46. Kloppenburg will demonstrate the ILLEGAL Prosser votes, and have them thrown out

When it is reduced to a recount of only the legally cast votes, Kloppenburg will win.

[Matariki]

50. Ha ha - someone is going to jail before this is all over. n/t

[quakerboy]

56. Sounds like you are in the wrong place.

Most of us here are rooting for her to somehow find a win in this. But I would dare guess that most of us here are not really expecting that to happen.

What is important in this is that every vote should be accurately counted and every possible action taken to chase away the sour whiff of vote counting irregularities that has popped up. As it should be each and every time it comes up. Without accurate and transparent vote counting, without a high level of trust in the results of an election, the whole system becomes polluted.

A sore loser might, for instance, do everything they could to undermine the winner. Such as refusing to work with them in advancing legislation or law. Or trying to tie them up with frivolous lawsuits about their citizenship at every turn. Or spending massive amounts of money and time to try to convince people to hate them.

All Klopenburg has done is ask for a recount. Which makes me think your comment is entirely unwarranted.

[DissedByBush]

60. I wish she'd won, but she looks like a sore-loser hypocrite

After all, she asked Prostate to be graceful and concede over only 200 or so votes.

Now she asks for a recount with over 35 times that many votes over her.

So far there has been no indication those 7,500 votes were fraudulent.

Those votes were from a Repub stronghold, so Prostate gaining 7,500 votes from there is reasonable.

The only thing that was fraudulent was a Repub hack holding back 14,000 votes from the press.

I don't know what she hoped to gain by that trick.

[Lefta Dissenter]

66. ummmmmmmm, no

she didn't ask Prosser to concede - and everyone, INCLUDING PROSSER, fully expected a recount when Kloppenburg was shown to be the winner. As a voter, I want to make sure MY vote was counted, and I would have been disappointed in Kloppenburg had she not demanded a recount.

[quakerboy]

67. You misrepresent the situation

She had a Victory Q&A where she stated she was sure the numbers in her favor would hold. But I can't find, nor do I recall any request for Prosser to concede. If I am wrong, I would love to have you link to video, audio, or text of it. But as far as I can tell you are rewriting history to belittle her.


As to the rest of what you say, asserting it does not make it so. You say there is no indication the votes are fraudulent. Others say that there is. There are people now wanting to look into issues from prior elections where she turned in potentially incorrect results. I have seen statistical analysis that seems to support the validity of these results, and others that seems to indicate the results in that "repub stronghold" are highly improbable. We have the democratic canvasser who stood beside her, but then later clarified that she was not involved and didn't know what had happened. This does not create the appearance of a clean and open election result.

What we do know is that the person who announced and counted these votes is someone who narrowly escaped prosecution for shenanigans in the past. What is reported is that she is obsessed with conservative causes and unable to operate in a non-partisan fashion. We do not know what happened exactly with this election, but there is the whiff of something unsavory. She could be merely inept. She could be manipulating things. The only thing certain is that it should be investigated and every vote counted and confirmed.

[SpiralHawk]

74. Sounds like you have been spending time in Canada, too

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Try some facts. Good for you. Good for Wisconsin. Good for America.

[ooglymoogly]

93. Does not compute, does not compute, does not compute...bingledy, boigledy#@%*?%#$@ kablooy

now would you look at that...what a mess to clean up.

[freshwest]

61. Sore Losermann references? A trip down memory lane? No thanks.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

65. Where did these * come from?

i dont like it either

[chervilant]

80. Bwahahahahahaha!!!!

Goodness GRACIOUS, they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for trolls these days!

[LanternWaste]

84. I imagine securing the legitimacy of a process...

I imagine securing the legitimacy of a process is interpreted by many people as being predicated on luck and/or "being a sore loser"

Luckily for us however, the process is not based on knee-jerk emotion nor biased inference...

[davidwparker]

43. K&R

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[PuffedMica]

47. K&R

[Zambero]

48. Good Good GOOD!!!

Who knows how many more "unanticated surprises" in the ballot count still need to be surfaced? If this close of an election can suddenly swing one way and reverse the initial result, it can quite possible swing back given proper scrutiny. Here's hoping anyway!

[callous taoboy]

49. Excellent news! It's all part of the process.

[Devil_Fish]

52. I don't care who wins. A re-count, especially a hand re-count will tell us how fucked up the machine

is. from the scanners to the tabulators, it's all fucked up. Hand count every ballot. Transparency is the only way.

[slackmaster]

75. You seem to have jumped to a conclusion before the data is in.

Your subject line is absolutely correct, as is the last sentence of your post. But I have to wonder how you and many others here will react if the recount produces a result very close to the machine count, say within a few dozen votes one way or the other. That would suggest that degree of fucked-upedness of the machine count was low.

If that happens, will you accept that the machine count was correct, or will you continue to believe the election was fraudulent and expand the circle of blame to everyone who had custody of the paper documents?

I'm glad there will be a recount. I'd like to see the integrity of the system verified every bit as much as I'd like to see fraud uncovered. Either result will be interesting to me, largely because of the predictable reactions from people of all political stripes.

[Devil_Fish]

94. Slackmaster, If the counts match up, all it will prove is that there was no fraud this time.

The system is still broken if not transparent and you can't accomplish transparency with proprietary software counting the votes.

ETA I would not believe that the conspiracy could go all the way to the people hand counting, but if all they are going to do is run the cards through the machines again, then I'm not so sure I would trust the results.

[slackmaster]

97. Thanks. That was a good response.

:hi:

[JDPriestly]

53. No matter the results of the recount, this puts everyone on notice

that cheating in registering or counting the votes will not be tolerated.

I hope that the voter rolls will be compared with the vote numbers and that any noticeable discrepancies between the numbers of registered voters for either party will be determined. That is the key, and that is why voters should register for a party, not as independents as much as possible. Voting trends can be predicted to a limited extent based on party turnout.

[L. Coyote]

87. The investigation should extend to sampling voter rolls and verifying the persons

but this has to be done by the Dem party.

[Cal33]

100. I agree. Sure hope KIoppenburg will go all the way this time. Half-hearted

namby-pamby efforts on the part of Dems. in the past only helped to make
the Repubs. despise and laugh at them.

[Luciferous]

55. Great news. I was worried that she wasn't going to fight.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

58. Watch & Listen - Kloppenburg's FULL STATEMENT here - Video

http://www.wfrv.com/news/local/Kloppenburg-seeks-recount-in-Wis-supreme-court-election-120311179.html

Most of this we are NOT getting on TV news in Wisconsin. She is brilliant.

[marasinghe]

59. thanks for the excellent news. took a woman not to fold & to call these assholes on their shit.

vintage poem of Kipling's - in honor of Ms. Kloppenberg's guts.

(while Kipling could be an arrogant jingoist bastard at times,
and ignoring the chauvinist & religious references,
i think he hit on some truths here)

http://www.potw.org/archive/potw96.html
Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936) The Female of the Species

WHEN the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When Nag the basking cobra hears the careless foot of man,
He will sometimes wriggle sideways and avoid it if he can.
But his mate makes no such motion where she camps beside the trail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,
They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws.
'Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Man's timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say,
For the Woman that God gave him isn't his to give away;
But when hunter meets with husbands, each confirms the other's tale—
The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Man, a bear in most relations—worm and savage otherwise,—
Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise.
Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact
To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.

Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
Mirth obscene diverts his anger—Doubt and Pity oft perplex
Him in dealing with an issue—to the scandal of The Sex!

But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same;
And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.

She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
May not deal in doubt or pity—must not swerve for fact or jest.
These be purely male diversions—not in these her honour dwells—
She the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else.

She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate.
And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.

She is wedded to convictions—in default of grosser ties;
Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!—
He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.

Unprovoked and awful charges—even so the she-bear fights,
Speech that drips, corrodes, and poisons—even so the cobra bites,
Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw
And the victim writhes in anguish—like the Jesuit with the squaw!

So it comes that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
To some God of Abstract Justice—which no woman understands.

And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
Must command but may not govern—shall enthral but not enslave him.
And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,
That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male.

[lonestarnot]

63. Glad to hear she came to her damned senses!

[Akoto]

68. Good. Regardless of the outcome, the troubling circumstances demand it. n/t

[tomp]

69. kloppenburg, candidate for supreme court....

...should know if a law appears to have been broken and should be saying what law that is and who broke it and why that person hasn't been charged yet.

the woman has said what she did openly. is it a crime or not? if it is, why has she not been charged? a candidate for supreme court should know these things

[Lefta Dissenter]

70. I'm guessing that Ms. Nickolaus

has not said ALL of what she did openly. It would be premature for anyone to draw conclusions before an investigation has taken place.

A candidate for Supreme Court should be thoughtful enough to wait until all the evidence is in prior to passing judgment. In fact, I think that is part of the job description!

[tomp]

98. disagree. more can be discovered later.

is what she has admitted to so far illegal? if it is it should be clearly stated by the candidates for the supreme court.

i'm not opposing investigation, just think illegal acts should be treated as such...now. also, she has a history of turning state's evidence once charged.

[Lefta Dissenter]

99. I'm not trying to argue

I just don't agree with the strategy of saying in a press conference what was to be filed the next day in Court. I was in awe of how JoAnne handled the press conference. She IS judicial! The focus of the press conference was to make her announcement that she was asking for a recount of the entire state. I think it would have been a huge distraction for her to have gone into the details of the complaint against Nickolaus, and it would have allowed the focus to be directed to a single county. I have been so worried that Waukesha County is simply the shiny object (represented by a spinning pinwheel on my Kloppenburg sign) designed to distract us from problems all over the rest of the state.

Anyway, the complaint against Nickolaus has been filed, so only one day behind what your strategy was.

[tomp]

101. completely and emphatically agree with full recount.

Agree with distinct possibility of "shiny object" theory.

How many days ago did Nikolaus make her statement? Has ANYONE yet definitively stated whether or not what she has admitted to is illegal or not?

[Lefta Dissenter]

102. the links to the complaint

and exhibits are about 1/3 of the way down the page on
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8486 (after the 2 scanned page images).

Hey, Bradblog also included my impromptu interview with Kevin Kennedy! :D Just a correction, though, that even though Jeremy Ryan of Defendingwisconsin.org videoed and posted the video, I'm not part of his organization. I don't want anyone thinking I had misrepresented myself to Kevin Kennedy or anyone else.

[Blue Owl]

71. Shove it, Prosser & Nickolaus

This is fantastic news!

[ooglymoogly]

78. The Cloppenburg campaign needs to hire or ask to voluteer Clint Curtis, the expert on

election fixing programs, as a consultant and overseer of the process; to dig into and expose anomalies a recount will not.

[L. Coyote]

88. It is Kloppenburg, and

there are other good programming wizards who have out-shined whistleblower Curtis.

[ooglymoogly]

91. Yes I continually do that and usually catch it before I put it up

I guess it is because I have a friend whose last name is Cloppenburg. And yes I should have said or the like. Its just that the You Tube video is up all over the place on Clint Curtis right now. So my meaning was that there are far better and far more devious ways to steal an election and we need someone to keep an eye on that aspect.

[polly7]

81. K&R Happy to see this. n/t

[teabaghater]

90. The R's have

really gained balls since they stole the presidential election. They figure if they can get away with that, these piddly state elections will be a breeze. This bitch in Wis. has been pulling this for 5 years? (taking her computer home)