BREAKING: Senate orders arrest of missing Democrats

[Chipster]

Source: Wisconsin State Journal

The Wisconsin Senate passed a resolution Thursday ordering the arrest of the 14 Democratic senators who left the state two weeks ago to avoid a vote on Gov. Scott Walker's controversial budget repair bill.

It's unclear whether the move to force the senators back to the Capitol is constitutional. The state Constitution prohibits the arrest of legislators while in session unless they're suspected of committing felonies, treason or breach of the peace.

James Troupis, a private attorney hired by Fitzgerald, contended Thursday that the move is legal. He cited a portion of the state Constitution that provides that each house "may compel the attendance of absent members."

Republicans voted 19-0 to give the Democrats until 4 p.m. Thursday to appear before the Senate. The 14 Democrats are believed to be in Illinois. If the senators do not return by the deadline, the Senate agreed to find them "in contempt and disorderly behavior."

Declared Fitzgerald: "They have pushed us to the edge of a constitutional crisis."

Read more: http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_8d9ad090-45bd-11e0-bf68-001cc4c03286.html

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STAND FIRM, STAND TALL. FORWARD, NOT DRAWKCAB.

[DrDan]

1. sign of desparation . . . . stay strong!!!

[HereSince1628]

5. In total agreement! This is a sign post on the path to victory.

[Hissyspit]

42. Keith Olbermann: Only WI Senate Repubs would be dumb enough to set a precedent by which they

Tweet: "Only WI Senate Repubs would be dumb enough to set a precedent by which they themselves could later be arrested"

[Shining Jack]

56. Well, I think that they're not too bright if I look at what they've done so far.

They have the habit of shooting themselves in the foot.

[russspeakeasy]

114. I wish they would aim a little higher.

[defendandprotect]

153. Same as organized crime figures -- but they're more like the rejects -- !!

[Nay]

85. Seems like the pubs feel pretty safe, seeing as no rich criminals have been

prosecuted for all the crimes of the past 10 years, financial or otherwise.

[robinlynne]

187. bingo.

[thanks_imjustlurking]

129. They don't think that way - laws are for "them," not "us." nt

[Jakes Progress]

176. The problem is that they don't care about the precedent.

That involves the future. Something they can't fathom. Plus they don't plan on being in office in five years. They all see themselves as fat cats benefitting from the favors they have done for corporations.

For them it is "Screw American. I'm getting mine now."

[nxylas]

183. They probably don't think that Democrats would fight that dirty

That may be true of DC Dems, but I'm not so sure it's true at the state level.

[erodriguez]

79. Yup!

[PatrynXX]

103. The path to impeachment

for a large section of these republicans. Unlike Bush Cheney and everyone else, in the high up's, normal lower folks are harder to get away with doing illegal and unconstitutional stuff like this. You arrest the Senators you arrest the Wisconsin people. same thing.

[reformist2]

170. Wisconsin GOP: We have to destroy democracy in order to save it!

[Drale]

2. I already have sent an email to Governor Quinn

urging him to release a statement stating that no police from wisconsin are the enter Illinois. Especially because those senators have broken no laws. I can not wait till those repuke ass holes get tossed out on their asses.

[Cal33]

181. Any reply or results from your letter so far?

[Vidar]

186. A very sincere thank you.

[Kber]

3. "Compel" doesn't really equal "Arrest" does it?

[FBaggins]

12. Yes.

"Arrest" is a pretty broad term. "To seize under authority of law" would certainly cover what has been done in past cases of a quorum-relted attempt to "compel".

[w4rma]

174. No. "Compel" is a much broader term that "arrest" is only a subset of.

And that subset is illegal to use.

[CLANG]

22. No it does not mean the same thing.

[No Elephants]

75. ....

ar·rest (-rst)
v. ar·rest·ed, ar·rest·ing, ar·rests
v.tr.
1. To stop; check: a brake that automatically arrests motion; arrested the growth of the tumor.
2. To seize and hold under the authority of law.
3. To capture and hold briefly (the attention, for example); engage.
v.intr.
To undergo cardiac arrest: The patient arrested en route to the hospital.
n.
1.
a. The act of detaining in legal custody: the arrest of a criminal suspect.
b. The state of being so detained: a criminal under arrest.
2. A device for stopping motion, especially of a moving part.
3. The act of stopping or the condition of being stopped.

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/arrest

[Umbral]

99. So, whenever you compel someone, you are also arresting them? Always? nt

[CLANG]

105. I know what "arrest" means. Compel does not equal arrest.

Look it up.

[No Elephants]

74. Yes it does, but why try to reach for some kind of feeble semantic "out" for these Rethugs

[think4yourself]

4. Sorry for my ignorance on this

But can they pass resolutions without a quorum?
:shrug:

[drm604]

10. I'm wondering the same thing.

:shrug:

[Maraya1969]

122. I'm wondering if the Senators come back what would stop them from filibustering

[plumbob]

13. No, they cannot. This is the most cogent point yet.

Thanks!

[FBaggins]

15. Yes. For two reasons.

1) They HAVE a quorum for most business... just not for financial bills

2) The Constitution gives the power to "compel" attendance to whoever is left - even if that's a very small number of legislators.

[Gregorian]

17. That makes sense. Darn it.

If the Replicants left for some stupid reason, we'd have the ability to bring them back. It's like the 1st Amendment of attendance.

[FBaggins]

23. We've certainly done it in the past.

I have fond memories of a time in the late 80s when Senator Bob Packwood was literally dragged from his office and carried onto the Senate floor (leaving bruises).

That's why legislators who do this (TX/WI/IN) always leave the state and go to one that won't cooperate with the original state's law enforcement.

[JDPriestly]

52. Packwood was in his office. These Wisconsin senators are not in their offices.

[FBaggins]

61. Yep

That's why they weren't dragged in two weeks ago.

Doesn't change the fact that the state senate has the authority to order it... they just lack the ability to enforce it out of state. That's obviously why the senate dems left the state immediately.

[sofa king]

151. I was going to make an observation...

...But then I realized they really might not be smart enough to figure it out for themselves.

So screw helping them.

I think they should continue on their present course of enraging the masses, blatantly servicing The Man, and allowing us to track their inability to govern through their willingness to exceed the limits of convention, decency and possibly even their own laws. Keep it up!

[Wednesdays]

77. But if they have a quorum to pass THIS, then don't they have a quorum to pass their agenda?

This seems like catching a bird by putting salt on it's tail. (If you're close enough to put salt on it's tail, you're close enough to simply grab it!)
:crazy:

[gateley]

111. Somebody upthread mentioned they have enough EXCEPT for financial

votes.

[FeelingBlue]

134. That IS Correct n/t

[dtmfman]

116. You can't be arrested unless you've broken the law.

You're not arrested for civil violations...only criminal violations....IMO...no criminal act has been committed OR proven...unless non attendance is classified as a criminal violation....it ain't happening....and any LEO that attempts to carry out such an unlawful order risks being sued for his/her/their participation in a false arrest or malicious prosecution....as part of an et al suit that includes the WI state gov and scott walker for issuing such an order...

Disclaimer:
I'm not a lawyer....I just play one on the Internet....

[FBaggins]

167. That's a common misconception.

The police can absolutely be used to round up quorum-busting legislators. It's been done plenty of times in the past.

In WI, the constitution clearly says that they can be "compelled" to appear. The police can certainly enforce that constitutional provision.

There's a reason that legislators engaged in this strategy immediately leave the state. They know that the police can be used to round them up.

[Left_Is_Right]

185. perhaps...

however...compelled does not necessarily equate to arrest. Also...even if legal...they surely won't be able to cross a state line to enforce it.




Lefty

[FBaggins]

189. They can't cross the state line because we Picked a democratic state.

This too was not a coincidence. Another state might have allowed it.

[RKP5637]

128. I was wondering that too. n/t

[Larkspur]

6. So will Walker invade Illinois to fetch the Fab 14?

Only the FEDS can cross state lines to arrest criminals. The other option is the Illinois police do it, but I don't see the Dem Gov of IL sending the state police to arrest the Wisconsin 14.

[speltwon]

20. To clarify...

Any state/local officer in most jurisdictions can cross state lines IN HOT PURSUIT and make an arrest on the other side, but they must immediately turn the person over to local authorities and then go through court processes to have the person extradited back to the state. You are correct that local/state officers cannot make extra-jurisdictional arrests based on PC within their own state w.o hot pursuit.

If a warrant is issued into NCIC, then arrests can be made in another state (assuming the warrant is for a felony), but it's not for the underlying charge in the other state, it's for "fugitive from justice", which is a PC arrest, since officers can't arrest simply on the warrant for another state's charges.

[RegieRocker]

67. That would not be hot pursuit. It would be really cold pursuit.

[speltwon]

82. I totally agree

I was just clarifying the statement that officers cannot arrest in other states. They can, in VERY limited circ's and this wouldn't be one of them.

[JoDog]

29. Try it, Scottie

There are some parts of Northern Illinois I wouldn't advise the Army to invade, nonetheless the WI State Police.

I'll keep an eye on my section of the border.

[kurtzapril4]

109. I'd shelter a WI Democratic Senator.

Hope he/she likes cats!

[nalnn]

32. No, they won't persue into IL

They will let the D's leave and go wherever else they want. However, if they re-enter WI for any reason, they can be detained and compelled.

[defendandprotect]

156. How much pressure from citizens is coming on Repugs to give this up?

The legislation, that is?

Does anyone know?

Obviously, Walker is no one's favorite right now -- but other than those in the

Capitol bldg, does anyone have an idea of overall actions by public to try to

restrain Walker? Letters, e-mail, whatever?

Not only re Walker, of course, but re all Repugs.

[nalnn]

168. If...

If you are asking me, my answer is: I have no idea whatsoever. Unions and workers rights are not on the tips of people tongues where I work sadly.

In general though, I would imagine that the support vs. opposition in the form of correspondence to R officials is probably along the lines of the complete demographic makeup of the U.S. about 50/50, but probably tilted a little toward the opposition because of the popularity of worker's rights.

IMO

[defendandprotect]

182. Thank you --

guess we'll just have to look at Walker's unpopularity to judge --

[Botany]

7. What a bunch of slobs

Bottom line they know they are losing.

[plumbob]

8. Simply cannot declare someone absent to be disorderly. What's more orderly

than an empty desk?

In contempt? Hardly. These folks revere the laws of Wisconsin and refuse to be part of the contemptible move to undermine them.

Who's disorderly? The guy willing to break the law to get them back. Who's in contempt? Those who wish to subvert the longtime expressed will of the people of Wisconsin. So perhaps those Pubs should turn themselves in!

[Proud Liberal Dem]

14. Maybe they left papers all over their desks in a disorderly manner?

:shrug:

Seriously, the "optics" of seeing the Wisconsin 14 being returned to Wisconsin in handcuffs are going to be seriously bad (not that I really care what people ultimately think of Walker) for the Repubs. However, with the teabaggers pretty much running the Republican Party right now and unafraid to "double down" on their collective insanity, I would not be surprised to see them actually try to get them in custody and haul them back to Wisconsin. What the hell kind of Constitutional Democracy do the teabaggers and Walker think we're living in if legislators can literally be rounded up and forced to be present so that a vote can be held on something they disagree with?

[Bozita]

9. Their actions grow more desperate with each passing day.

You just know these assclowns have seen the NBC/WSJ poll results.

[66 dmhlt]

145. Assclown? Did you say Assclown?

[lutefisk]

11. What a bunch of thugs.

Fitzgerald claims, "They have pushed us to the edge of a constitutional crisis."

What utter bullshit. That's the same excuse the Bush/Cheney gang used to shut down Gore in 2000.

As long as the Republicans are just making up resolutions, how about a resolution that authorizes the National Guard to take the Democratic Senators' families into custody until they return? They've already sent State Troopers to their houses to intimidate them, why not just push a little harder? Isn't that what bullies and thugs do?

http://www.wkow.com/Global/story.asp?S=14180560

[blackspade]

16. How can they vote on anything and have it binding?

That is the whole point of the Fab14 being absent!

Fitzgerald is such a baldfaced lier.

[SnakeEyes]

48. see earlier post

regarding having a quorum. They have it for most business, they do not for financial related items

[blackspade]

68. I caught that, Thanks!

[AllyCat]

18. Walker don't care 'bout no Constitution

He's a dictator and just uses his lackeys to do what he wants.

[Left_Is_Right]

117. so true...and here's the proof....

Lefty

[xxqqqzme]

19. "A small body of determined

spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history."

Mohandas Gandhi

[somone]

21. One more reason to give them a big FUCK YOU

http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/pics10/!war/fuckthatshit/LeMur/bd_Fuck_That_Shit10.jpg

[underseasurveyor]

24. There is no criminal wrong(s) here

Bogus, trumped up shit!

Republicans are sickening!

[closeupready]

25. Clearly unconstitutional.

nt

[damntexdem]

26. No crisis at all as long as they stay in Illinois.

[Hosnon]

27. I can't imagine this is constitutional. They may be able to "compel attendance", but

I'm not sure that includes via arrest.

A more rational avenue would be to compel their attendance by citing that provision and deeming them present. Then, there would be a quorum and the Dems would have to choose between not voting at all or returning to the capitol and voting.

[virgogal]

89. I wasn't aware of that "compel attendance" provision.

Most interesting,but why haven't the Repugs tried it alresdy?

[snacker]

28. State Sen. Julie Lassa is 6 mos pregnant. n/t

[CBHagman]

30. I hope this proves a PR disaster for the 'cans...

...much as '95 played out poorly for Newt Gingrich.

[nalnn]

34. It very well might.

This could destroy the plans of the R's in WI. However, if the 14 senators who have left remain too long gone, it could backfire. :(

[No Elephants]

83. Thanks for your concern, but people will rsupport them as long as a

right to collective bargaining is at issue.

[nalnn]

90. Don't get me wrong

I will continue to support the rights of the workers both in WI as well as MS, however; MS is a state with NO collective bargaining for public service employees. Few here even bat an eye at what's going on there.

[rasputin1952]

96. It's already a PR disaster, and they can't stopping digging the hole...

they have moved from shovels to backhoes in digging the hole they are in. Already yhere are recall petitions for 8 R's, and this will add signatures galore.

After that bonehead Ghorman(sp) called the people in the Capitol, "slobs", the whole rickety mess will come tumbling down on WI GOP heads...and ripple through the rest of the states...:D

[bushmeister0]

31. Ruling party using the police to round up the opposition party . . .

Where have we heard this before? Whether it's legal or not (very dubious) I'm not sure this is a line neither party should want to cross. A very dangerous precedent to establish. It's just a hop, skip and a jump to lining them up against the wall.

[nalnn]

36. Precedent has already been established...

Many times in U.S. history. It works both ways however.

[DissedByBush]

150. Remember sleazebag Bob Packwood in the 80s?

The Democratic majority had the capitol police nab him and literally carry him into the Senate for a quorum.

[The Nexus]

33. Unless someone pulls a Dog Chapman..... nt

[NCcoast]

35. They're just digging themselves into a deeper hole

Keep it up idiots. I hope the people of Wisconsin recall the lot of you.

[Veilex]

37. This is merely GOP attempt to control messaging...

There is no teeth in the "resolution ordering the arrest of the 14 Democratic senators".
Moreover, declaring the 14 to "find them in contempt and disorderly behavior." is much akin to a non-binding resolution... it means nothing.
It is Walker's trumped up attempt to create rules that have no strength of law, and then to pretend they do. Its all a messaging war in an attempt
to bully the 14 to come back. There is no teeth in any of this.

[coalition_unwilling]

157. When Stalin was asked whether the Pope should be invited to

discuss the fate of post-war Europe at Yalta, Stalin famously replied "How many divisions does he (the Pope) command?"

So, Scottie boy, how many divisions do you command?

I've always appreciated Stalin's brtual truth-telling and dark sense of humor, his mass murdering proclivities notwithstanding.

[Blue Owl]

38. Fuck off, state-killing Republicons

[bongbong]

39. Meanwhile

Meanwhile, Benito Walker ignores a court ruling to open the capital building.

[atreides1]

40. I guess the AG wouldn't play

Why else hire a private attorney? And I would guess it's the people of Wisconsin paying the tab?

[moondust]

41. Tyranny of the majority.

Isn't this what quorum rules and filibusters were created to guard against?

[FBaggins]

43. Filibusters (in the commonly-understood meaning), yes. Quorums, no.

The quorum requirement is actually to avoid a minority passing legislation simply because the opposition didn't know about the vote in time.

[SpankMe]

44. Abuse of power.

The party in charge wants to send out police to arrest members of the party in the minority who have broken no laws. And this differentiates us from a third-world, tin-pot dictatorship...how?

[StarburstClock]

45. Is that like all those subpeonas issued for Bush criminals that were ignored?

Laws in the U.S. only apply to the underclasses.

[GodlessBiker]

46. Stand firm!

[Travelman]

47. Unfortunately, the Wisconsin constitution allows for this.

Article IV, § 7 of the Wisconsin constitution specifically compels elected members of each house to attend for business. The Senate does not need anything other than a majority of those elected to the senate to pass a resolution authorizing the sergeant-at-arms to go and compel attendance to regular business in that house. The police are not making an arrest, so there is no concern about jurisdiction here. The sergeant-at-arms has the requisite authority to carry out the orders of the Wisconsin senate no matter where that may take place. Think of it less like a police arrest and more like a bounty hunter.

Now, this runs into a question of whether the sergeant-at-arms may legally operate in another state. That would be the choice of the state in question. Illinois may choose to allow the sergeant-at-arms to operate within the state, or they may choose not to. About the best bet the Wisconsin senators in Illinois can hope for right now is to have themselves surrounded with willing Illinois police, and threaten to have the sergeant-at-arms arrested for attempted kidnapping. Whether or how long that would stick depends pretty much entirely upon what the Illinois law says (if anything) about such a situation, and whether the Illinois police have any interest in standing in the way of the Wisconsin sergeant-at-arms.

[No Elephants]

78. OF COURSE, there would be a jurisdictional issue if Wisconsin police

tried to exercise authority in any way in another state. Dttto the sergeant-at-arms. And, it would be an arrest.

[AlbertCat]

49. Walker & the Repugs are tho butch!

Resolutions, and guys in uniform and threats... OOoooOOOOoooOOOOOoooo! You're tho thavage, Walker!

[WolfoftheWild]

50. that bill's not worth shit in Illinois. Nice try, Repigs.

[Plucketeer]

51. Trapped animals

exhibit the most frantic and threatening moves. They fear for their welfare.

[Guilded Lilly]

53. How are those recalls for Republicans coming along?

[savalez]

63. -->

http://www.recalltherepublican8.com/

[sakabatou]

54. Fucking hell.

[liskddksil]

55. We need to find a monestary for them to hide out in

ala Sister Act.

[Shining Jack]

57. How about...

The International Monastery Fund? :evilgrin:

[Travelman]

65. I really really didn't want to laugh at that

But I did. :rofl:

[louis-t]

66. ouch

[No Elephants]

86. LOL

[Initech]

58. This is fascism!!!!

[radhika]

59. Questions to WI and OH Baggers...

I sit amazed at the Governors that the citizens of major states have elected. And the democracy-hating arrogance of both Walker and Kasich. Since they are publicly declaring war against their own citizens, I think it's time to ask the local tea-baggers a few questions:

Where are your 'Tree of Liberty' teeshirts now? Any photoshopped images of Walker/Kasich as Hitler-Stalin-Mao-Ghaddafi
What was that bit about: elected officials need to listen to the people.

Enjoying any free Dick Armey or Koch-funded bus rides to face off against the tyrants in the State House? I know it's cold and snowing, but I'm sure you could pull out those dress up outfits to parade as cute little 18th century faux rebels. Remember Washington at Valley Forge - it was wayyy cold there, I hear.

Do you still fantasize about 'Second Amendment Remedies'? If so, who would you describe as the enemy - your kid's teacher, or the fireman who'd save your house?

[Enthusiast]

162. I have utter contempt for Teabaggers.

Quislings, one and all.

[Major Hogwash]

60. Message to Wisconsin Repub Senators -- Go Fuck Yourselves!!

Signed,
Americans who know what the fuck you azzholes are up to!!

[katty]

62. Arrest?! o please constitutional crisis? ReThugs bring

everything on themselves-now they will scream "Victim" as usual-arrogant and dangerous a-holes

[LanternWaste]

64. Simply hot air to blow into a leaking balloon...

Simply more hot air being blown into an already leaking balloon...

It is a threat without consequence.

[barbtries]

69. those fucking bastards.

march on the capital!

i am very hopeful that this will boomerang big time and the protests coming in the next few days will dwarf what we've seen so far.

those motherfucking, fucking, dickhead, bastards!

this just seems to me to be beyond the pale even for republicans. but then look what they did to don siegelman. paul wellstone. JFK, RFK, MLK...why am i shocked? all their gawd damn wars and every dead body resulting from their gawd damn wars. why am i shocked?

guess i WAS just born yesterday....:shrug:

[coalition_unwilling]

158. Um, LBJ (a Dem) was Prez when U.S. combat forces entered Vietnam. Both

Repukes and Dem imperialist parties have major blood on their hands, imho.

Edited for typo and clarity.

[barbtries]

180. i was thinking of the most recent wars,

but of course you're right. sadly. anyhow PO has apparently assumed ownership of afghanistan at the very least and seems perfectly comfortable with that. :(

[L. Coyote]

70. You asked: What does pathetic mean? The word 'pathetic' means

1: inspiring mixed contempt and pity;
2: hapless, distressingly inadequate
3: inspiring scornful contempt
4: sad, weak and helpless

We need a better word for these people! Pathetic falls way short.

[valerief]

71. I wonder if this will be covered in Merkan Nooz. nt

[mikeburetta]

72. constatutional?

remember the bulit poit of republican campaighs.."the rule of law" and the "constitution as its read" hmm it seams ploitcal expediancy trumps all morality in the new repub control days..

[Iliyah]

73. Bounty hunters?????

Heil Hitler - Scott Walker and the others who are trying or have taken what the American Constitution deemed worthy.

Whats next, armed Tea Brats Gop attacking anyone who does not believe in what they believe? You claimed during your unholy protects about freedom, did that mean only for you? Your underlying purpose 1) one party rule; 2) destroying the working class. Guess what, we are not going to sit still while you are trying to shit all over us.

[florida08]

76. Thom Hartmann has news

Wisconsin senate just passed new legislature that would hold the 14 democrats in contempt of Senate

http://www.cellspin.net/user/160de1f2a1/post/129786/

[Corruption Winz]

80. Desperation. It's a smelly cologne. n/t

[sam sarrha]

81. does this mean that they will be wearing their Nazi arm bands outside their shirts from now on..??

:hide: :yoiks:

[Dash87]

84. wtf?

[Deep13]

87. How good is that order in Chicago?

And do police (executive branch) have to obey an order from the legislature? Isn't a law pronouncing someone criminally liable called a bill of attainder?

[coalition_unwilling]

159. A law pronouncing someone criminally liable is indeed a bill of

attainder and is forbidden by the Constitution of the U.S.

However, I don't believe the Repukes have passed a bill pronouncing the Fab 14 criminally liable.

[No Elephants]

88. Where's the resolution to arrest Walker for ignoring a court order?

[onethatcares]

91. could the Democratic senators return and vote "NO"

while standing on the floor of the Wisconsin senate explaining why they are voting "NO" to those people they do represent?

I watch this entire episode with great consternation because we are unlucky enough to have dickscott as our governor, a man that thinks
he's the kingshit of the world and is just itchin to carry out further mayhem on the populace of Florida.

[AnneD]

190. You have missed the concept.....

to call the session to order to consider the bill, you have to have a quorum. The re thugs outnumber the dems so if they were there-the bill would pass even if they all voted the same way. By staying out they deny the Senate a chance to even convene. No convening, no passing the law. Brush up on basic legislative law-otherwise they will walk all over your right and you would never know it.

edited to add...I supported the Texas Dems when they defected to avoid DeLay's naked power grab. We had one defector and he has been a persona non grata since. I know personally, how hard it was on these guys and their families to do this. It was a real sacrifice financially and emotionally.

[onethatcares]

193. thanx.

I appreciate the response,

[AnneD]

194. Some folks that do not know....

A legislative body's rules miss the subtle point of this legitimate tactic. When this happened in Texas, these poor guys underwent the GOP smear machine. They were so brave and they put up with ridicule by the very people they were trying to defend. It is passive resistance on steroids.

[madrchsod]

92. not enforceable in illinois.....

they`ll have a home away from home here in illinois as long as they like....

[SoapBox]

93. Outrageous! Wake up America...the Thugs are putting a Police State into place!

...and it could be YOU next!

Hello? ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, NPR, PBS...where the hell are you
to report this stuff?

[forty6]

102. Yes, This smacks of Nazi tactics, to me! Well stated! n/t

[walldude]

107. Except the cops aren't playing.. From Crooks and Liars:

Politics aside, encouraging the forcible detention of duly elected lawmakers
because they won’t allow you to dictate with a free hand is an unreasonable
abuse of police power,” said WPPA Executive Director Jim Palmer. “Due to the fact that Wisconsin officers lack any jurisdiction across state lines, does Senator Fitzgerald intend to establish a ‘lawmaker border patrol? The thought of using law enforcement officers to exercise force in order to achieve a political objective is insanely wrong and Wisconsin sorely needs reasonable solutions and not potentially dangerous political theatrics.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/wisconsin-police-association-republic

[The Wizard]

94. ex post facto (NT)

[W_HAMILTON]

100. You're a smart one, huh?

:)

Of course, this probably just brings up a new acronym I learned recently: IOKIYAR.

[craigmatic]

95. Clearly a desperation move. How can you arrest somebody not in your state?

[rasputin1952]

97. They want to get this done before the recall petions circulate any further...

this is it for the WI GOP...desperation, nothing more, their toast.

[robertpaulsen]

98. 2 things.

1. If they need a quorum to pass legislation, then how the hell is a quorum-less resolution legal or enforceable?

2. According to the article:

Under the resolution adopted Thursday, the senators may only be taken into custody if they return to Wisconsin, Fitzgerald said. The resolution does not call for their extradition from another state.

So all they need to do is stay out of state and shout BULLSHIT and there goes your "constitutional crisis". :eyes:

[forty6]

101. Regarding he resolution does not call for their extradition from another state.

That would be kidnappping, and punishable by 25 to life in prison.

So this is just a bunch of whoooey from the Republicans....noting more, nothing less.

I so hope that someone tries to "arrest" these 14....and the entire Republican Senate and Governor would be subject to charges of conspiracy to kidnapping over state lines, a federal charge.

[The Wizard]

147. They're guilty of

blowing smoke up everyone's asses. That's what they always do.

[wisteria]

104. What a slimy move. What an A-hole the Gov. is. n/t

[Dappleganger]

106. Ah fuck 'em...

this is really going to come back and bite them in the ass.

[rzemanfl]

108. Martindale Hubbell on this guy:

http://www.martindale.com/James-R-Troupis/1794589-lawyer.htm

Webpage "under development":

http://www.troupislawoffice.com/

Protecting liberty my hairy juris doctor ass.

[grahamhgreen]

110. Time for Obama to get down there before we lose this fight.

[gateley]

112. It's after 4pm in Wisconsin -- anything happen? nt

[boston bean]

113. It's now 5:39 Wisconsin time. Have they been arrested yet!

[Skip Intro]

115. Make it happen! Can you imagine the news images of Dem Senators being led away in handcuffs?!

Oh man, that would be it. Sentiment would surge in support of the Democrats and against the bill. Walker would be history. And everything he's done in regards to this up until now shows that he's desperate. I almost think that if he can't legally have them arrested outside the state, the Dems should return, make their return public, and alert the media so that the cameras could be rolling. Make it easy for Walker to have you arrested, and make sure the media is there.

[Auntie Bush]

121. If the Senators are arrested they would be taken to jail...so they still won't have a Quorum.

And could they refuse to accept bail?

[AsahinaKimi]

118. I suppose they want to line them up and shoot them next

Death Penalty for going against the Emperor of Wisconsin. FOX NEWS will broadcast it live!! Bill O'Reilly will moderate! Bullets go in, Bullets come out..EXPLAIN THAT!!!

[TxVietVet]

119. Gov. Wanker is known for this type of bu$hit in Milw. County.

He wanted to do something, told it was illegal, he'd do it anyway stating that by the time the issue got through the courts he'd have done things his way. IF and when it cleared the courts or not, he looked at it as he did what he wanted and now you have to make him undo his actions.

This guy is Adolf Hitler reincarnated.

Read the history of this idiot when he was county executive in Milwaukee County. He cost Milwaukee County money. The conservanazis will ramrod through whatever HE wants regardless what public opinion is. The way they look at it is that they have the power, f*ck everyone else. If you don't like what's being done, SHUT THE F*CK UP!

Read the book "The End Of America" by Naomi Wolf. Gov. Wanker uses the facists tactics. I'm not kidding.

[shanti]

148. that's exactly what schwarzenegger did here

in cali for the past 7 years (he's gone now, thank god). there are several lawsuits still in litigation regarding all the shenanigans he pulled to to try and break the unions. the court's palm was greased by him, so he won one of the lawsuits, a major one.

we're still in bad shape :(

[Left_Is_Right]

120. Graphic depiction of the walker action of ordering arrests...

This so called gov has no respect for America or it's laws. His only concern is pleasing/nuthugging his puppet masters the koch brothers...




Lefty,

[TxVietVet]

123. The conservanazis stomping on union and civil rights.

[Enthusiast]

163. No, they're just 'regular' Nazis.

No conserva necessary.

[TxVietVet]

171. A blogger, Rack Jite, coined that term.

I've been using it since the first time I saw it. druggie limpballs used to rail about the "feminazis". When I first started with that term, some reich wingnuts wanted to fight me over it.

Yep, they are just plain Nazis. They are blinded by propaganda and don't see it.

[Canuckistanian]

124. They still can't vote in jail.

What's the purpose in arresting them?

[Shining Jack]

126. Lol!

You're absolutely right, that's so fucked up. Reminds me of Catch 22.

[RKP5637]

125. This is ALL about power, control and domination. This is the test case. Americans had

better wake up to WTF is going on ... this BS is going to continue.

[Babel_17]

127. Edit: Sorry I failed to read the whole article

Edit: I failed to read the part that said "Under the resolution adopted Thursday, the senators may only be taken into custody if they return to Wisconsin, Fitzgerald said. The resolution does not call for their extradition from another state." and so I made a moot argument.

[hollowdweller]

130. Will Walker be sending Baldwin Felts to get them?

[lonestarnot]

131. And what of the Order of the Court to open the fucking capital to the public. Clear violation of

law? Why hasn't someone been arrested for that?

[benld74]

132. Cant do it! nope-nope-nope

[ElsewheresDaughter]

133. Watch out !!! he's coming for the 14...............

[Historic NY]

135. They can't extradite them w/o a ill. judge sigining the warrant.

Lets see them ask for a Governors warrant.

[Downwinder]

136. Remember, Joseph McCarthy was from Wisconsin.

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[MindandSoul]

138. Walker and his friends are running scared! They are threatening

more desperate measures every day, and every day they lose supporters.

[cynatnite]

139. How is this legit without a quorum?

[MasonJar]

140. Recall time for the Senate in Wisconsin too. The Koch brothers are in

a hurry it seems. They need this bill passed so they can take over the state of Wisconsin before Walker is recalled and before a large number of GOPers are recalled. The latter could be as little as 60 days. No wonder they are pulling our all the stops.

[RoccoR5955]

141. How can they pass a resolution if they don't have a quorum?

This is absurd! They can't pass wind if they don't have a quorum!

[Beartracks]

142. The absent Dems are working FOR the people right now.

Isn't that exactly what they were elected to do?

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[AKDavy]

143. Dissent. I can feel it growing.

Escalation is the only thing that will bring this where it needs to go.

[madmax]

146. I agree with you - it's finally happening.

It's been a long slog.
I think Americans are wakeing up. Hope so, if no we are so screwed.

[Dystopian]

144. KandR

peace~

[pam4water]

149. Holy Hell! K&R The imperial Governorship.

[JeffersonChick]

152. So, do you think they will actually BE arrested? n/t

[brentspeak]

154. Walker and his gang: sociopaths or terrorists?

Both.

[defendandprotect]

155. On Schultz today -- which I heard briefly -- a caller said Dem staff are being forced ...

to work for Repugs -- each one assigned to a Repug -- and under their instructions --

and the possibility seems to be that they could be fired!

Speculated that this might force the Dems back out of concern for their staff. 49 of them!!


Also a lawyer commented that under the 4 reasons for action -- didn't see anything that

would cover this situation -- especially for arrest!!

[tavalon]

160. I'm not at all sure I would want Dem Staffers writing,proofreading and sending

Out my precious Repig. Memos. Hilarity might ensue.

[defendandprotect]

191. No -- it's more like there under GOP watchful eye ... so they're unable to do the

things they would have been doing for the Rep they work for --

handling their calls, etc.

And, again -- possibly under threat of being fired!!

Only wish they could answer GOP mail for GOP Rep!!!

:evilgrin:

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

161. They're coming undone...

...reduced to throwing spitballs and empty threats.

Walker is not smart.

[spicegal]

164. That's pathetic. Wouldn't they have to cross state lines?

That's not allowed is it. Guess they could be extradited, but is it that serious an offense. Unbelievable.

[jman0]

165. maybe they should go to an Indian Reservation

legal matters are handled by the Dept of Indian Affairs, they and the FBI
Wisconsin nor Illinois troopers have remit there, correct?

[Hubert Flottz]

166. "pushed us to the edge of a constitutional crisis"

Because you want to stop the GOP's stealing from the poor, to reward the wealthy.

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[Zambero]

172. Wily Walker pursues the Roadrunner 14

Thanks to this most recent Republican tactic, the entire saga has "risen" to cartoonish proportions. That aside, the Roadrunner always wins. Walker and his GOP legislative wrecking crew had better stockpile a whole lot of slings and crutches to get them through this self-imposed cartoon saga. With an ever-increasing succession of over-reaching political missteps, they'll certainly be needing them in the weeks and months ahead,

[avebury]

178. Wily Walker pursues the Roadrunner 14 - LOL!

Zambero - I love your comment.

[w4rma]

173. They can compel but it is absolutely illegal to use an arrest to compel. (nt)

[orbitalman]

175. If they can't carry on business, how can they order arrests??? n/t

[KansDem]

177. Hmmmmm...

...you've got a point there!

[W T F]

179. How can they do that without a quorum?

[vanboggie]

184. Kochs must be getting antsy

Their pet gov'ner isn't getting the job done. Rethugs have always been ineffectual.

[yurbud]

188. the Wisconsin GOP is getting stupider and stupider

[defendandprotect]

192. GOP also loves the stage -- it's a movie on organized crime most of the time --!! !!