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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 03:28 PM
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Conservative Utah group begins recall effort for Wisconsin Democratic senators
Source: Wisconsin State Journal

A Utah group that opposes amnesty for illegal immigrants has filed paperwork in Wisconsin to begin recall efforts against eight Democratic state senators, including Sen. Fred Risser, D-Madison.
The group, Americans Against Immigration Amnesty, did not return phone calls or e-mails, so it was not immediately evident why it was undertaking recall efforts here. The eight senators are among 14 who left Wisconsin Feb. 17 to delay a vote on Walker's budget repair bill by depriving the Senate of a quorum.
Meanwhile, a Madison group has registered a political action committee to start raising money for a recall drive against Republican Gov. Scott Walker.

The group filed electronically with the GAB between Feb. 18 and 21, calling itself the American Recall Coalition. It lists Americans Against Immigration Amnesty as its sponsoring organization. Both are based in Salt Lake City and share a leader.

Read more: http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_b3527ff4-3faf-11e0-8cbb-001cc4c002e0.html



Is this another Koch group?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 03:29 PM
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 03:31 PM
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2. Kinda smells like one, doesn't it?
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 03:31 PM
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3. How can an outside group file that paper work?
Thats like the Mexico President trying to impeach the US president.
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Rabblevox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 03:53 PM
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7. Wisconsin has a loophole in it's recall statutes, I just looked...
Edited on Thu Feb-24-11 03:54 PM by Rabblevox
While only citizens of the state can PERFORM a recall election. IT doesn't look like there's any residency requirement to register a recall committee. I'm not a lawyer (thank the gods), but it looks to me like "slimy, but legal".

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Laws_governing_recall_in_Wisconsin


But really, with so many wives, don't they have better things to do? :eyes:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 03:54 PM
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8. I sure hope you're right...
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Volaris Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 04:07 PM
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12. don't you love how State Sovereignty is awesome,
Except when it works in someone ELSE'S favor? Like a lot of their arguments, I don't mind that they have different arguments than our side, but I mind like hell that the standards they apply to OUR arguments NEVER seem to apply to themselves as well.
Hypocritical ass-hats.



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The Croquist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 05:48 PM
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23. This has nothing to do with state sovereignty
They are following Wisconsin law. It is as simple as that. If the residents of Wisconsin don't like the idea of an outside group doing this they:

1. Don't sign the petition
2. Vote against the recall
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 03:42 PM
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4. outside agitators! - Just what Walker was talking about


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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 03:44 PM
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5. t-shirt idea: "WI state senators are hiding in Utah"
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:34 PM
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41. Too funny... What a great idea.....
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 03:53 PM
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6. I suspect elements of this group have a finger in California's Prop 8, too
Prove me wrong.
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Rabblevox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 03:55 PM
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10. I was wondering whose finger that was. nt
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 04:25 PM
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14. From what I've read the LDS church is in a pickle where immigration is concerned
While they didn't really hide their stance on prop 8, since it followed their official bigoted stance toward GLBT people. They do big recruiting drives (missionaries) in Mexico. They've also got quite a few early generation Mormon Latino followers here in the US. Just a week or so ago advocates petitioned Mexico to deny visas for Mormon missionaries until the church signs the Utah Compact.

So, as a result of all of that this group isn't as tightly aligned with the LDS church as you might think. That doesn't mean they're not Mormons or that they're not getting money from the church. It's just a delicate situation the LDS are trying to dance around.
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Iliyah Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 04:32 PM
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16. Large amount of
monies poured into Cali from the Mormons (Utah) for prop 8. These God fearing people also advocated numerous talking points which where total lies.

I remember at a hospital appointment the nurse brought up prop. 8 and she said she would be voting yes on it because she didn't want homosexual studies taught to her children. She believed that homosexual education would be mandatory in the school's regular cirriculum.

I thought Gov Walker told Pres O to stay out of this state's business. I guess that only relates to Dems. Dictorship anyone.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 03:55 PM
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9. This is the same group that tried this with Pima County Sheriff Dupnik
What is wrong with these people?
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 07:48 PM
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26. Thank you.... I just found a link to this info....
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 10:09 AM
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31. I should have added a link when I posted the information
I'm sorry to make you have to dig that up. My brain has been running in slow gear lately. :)

here's one JIK anyone else wants to read more about this groups exploits.

http://www.laprogressive.com/immigration-reform/immigration-amnesty/
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Roy Rolling Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 03:59 PM
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11. Please
...let them spend all of their money in this wasted effort.
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Roy Rolling Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 04:08 PM
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13. Recall Anyone?
If those are the rules...has a recall been filed of Scott Walker and all of the Republicans? If anyone can do it, that means someone like me. All I need is a good astro-turf-named group. How about "Citizens Against Morons in government"?
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 04:39 PM
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18. Walker has to be in office 1 year before he can be recalled
But about half our state senators meet that requirement.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 04:28 PM
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15. I hope you're not trying to highjack this cause.
People are not protesting because they want amnesty for illegal immigrants.
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 04:36 PM
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17. What's left of our Democratic senators in Wisconsin will be hard to recall
Edited on Thu Feb-24-11 04:37 PM by sybylla
Most of them were elected with solid majorities in their districts and remain popular. Even more so now.

It's the pukes who need to watch out. There are a bunch of them in swing districts.

I'm sure this group is trying to get ahead of those recalls - keeping the Dem party too busy to go after them.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 04:47 PM
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19. Why is it
Edited on Thu Feb-24-11 04:47 PM by AsahinaKimi
That these conservative groups in Utah feel they can interfere in other States business? First California (prop 8) and now this. Send them freaking packing!! Tell them to GET OFF THE LAWN! :grr:
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 06:17 PM
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38. I bet they believe they have god on their side.
Sort of like the Westboro Baptist Church freakazoids.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 04:52 PM
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20. Swear to Dog, its like Whack-a-mole with these Koch groups
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savalez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 05:20 PM
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21. Have the republican senator recalls started yet?
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 05:34 PM
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22. How dare they? They're only supposed to interfere in *California's* internal politics!!
:sarcasm:
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DeadEyeDyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 06:49 PM
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24. KnR
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 07:47 PM
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25. UPDATE:This is the same group that formed to recall Sheriff Clarence Zupnik....
So who exactly is this group doing the recall?
This group just happened to spring up after the Giffords shooting, to recall Pima County (Tucson, AZ) Sherriff Clarence Zupnik. You probably remember that Sherriff Zupnik delivered some quite forceful and truthful words about how right-wing rhetoric from Faux News and talk radio contributed to the shooting. Odd timing, huh? Dont you just love phony ass groups like this?

But wait, it gets better. The recalls conduit (registered fundraising group) is the racist/nativist Americans Against Immigration Amnesty! According to OpenSecrets.org, most of their 2010 funding came from another astroturf outfit called Texans for Arizonas New Immigration Law. This group has no website, just a Facebook group with links to a Chip In fundraising page. There is definitely something fishy going on here, if not downright fraudulent.

Can you say Koch?
I think this might be another act of political retribution by the Koch brothers. The Koch brothers are morally depraved multi-billionaire conservatives who like to get behind phony efforts just like this. They also produce many ubiquitous items we see, such as the entire line of Georgia-Pacific paper products.

What does this mean for Wisconsin?
Probably just what youre thinking right now. Its just more right-wing trickery to muck up our political system. This particular recall effort will probably succeed in getting on a ballot in some places, but most voters will probably not fall for it. In the case of Sen. Spencer Coggs, they might be getting more than they bargain for. The Coggs family is an established family in Milwaukee politics that is way more influentual than some dumbass from Utah, or any of APRCs two Wisconsin members. The only scenario in which he would probably lose is if someone to the left of him won. I happen to know there are several Black Milwaukee progessives chomping at the bit to take the torch on from the Coggs family and move this city and state forward.

In closing, I would encourage these morons from Utah to stay in their lane. How about organizing a recall in your OWN state for a change? http://identityh.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/astroturf-recall-effort/
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 02:12 PM
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33. Zupnik?
It can't be a typo, it's in the post three times...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Dupnik

Dupnik, not Zupnik.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:32 PM
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40. boppers thanks for bringing this to my attention... This is unfortunate
That this Sheriff Clarence Dupnik is being refered to as Zupnik...
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 07:54 PM
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27. what is with utah???
these fuckers have to have a finger in every OTHER state's pie! :grr:
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 10:47 PM
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28. It seems to be one guy.
"Americans Against Immigration Amnesty" has a website here: https://noimmigrationamnesty.com

Here's the registration info for the domain (this is all public information): http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?k=xuzFe7SRflGwRpZpv7Ox7CbobqugAwsMLak5umSHfk8=&domain=noimmigrationamnesty.com&prog_id=GoDaddy
Registrant:
AAIA

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: NOIMMIGRATIONAMNESTY.COM
Created on: 08-Jun-10
Expires on: 08-Jun-11
Last Updated on: 14-Jun-10

Administrative Contact:
Baltes, Daniel

It lists an address which appears to be a residential apartment in Salt Lake City.

Daniel Baltes also owns the domain for http://restoreourdream.org

Domain info for restoreourdream.org (public information): http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?k=cot+FFuaHX/S/iT8CmpRNR2K4OB5DIBS&domain=restoreourdream.org&prog_id=GoDaddy
Registrant:
AAIA

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: RESTOREOURDREAM.ORG
Created on: 25-Jun-10
Expires on: 25-Jun-11
Last Updated on: 24-Jun-10

Administrative Contact:
Baltes, Daniel

It lists the same address.

He's posted several messages on several Tea Part websites asking them to contact him.

According to this blogger: http://rootswire.org/web/total-recall-no-one-can-recall-seeing-right-wing-organization-except-its-right-wing-utah-talk-sh
Dan Baltes is a "a right-wing, Internet-based talk show host".
The opening shot in the effort to recall legislators on both sides of Scott Walker's manufactured budget crisis has been fired from the right. News organizations are quickly spreading a report by the Associated Press that a Utah group has filed formal papers with the State of Wisconsin Government Accountability Board (GAB) in an attempt to recall eight of the 14 state Senate Democratic legislators who relocated to Illinois to halt a vote on Gov. Scott Walker's budget despair -- uh, that is, repair -- bill.

But it's not really a "group." It's a right-wing, Internet-based talk show host who's heavy into fighting any kind of amnesty for undocumented immigrants, and who -- get this -- recently filed a recall petition in Arizona against Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik. The sheriff is another Democrat who -- after Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and others were shot last month in Dupnik's jurisidiction -- had harsh words for talk show hosts and others engaging in hateful and violent speech. Yes, free speech for Democrats is grounds for removal from office, if you've the blunt ideology of a typical right-wing bloviator.


http://restoreourdream.org/ is announcing an event coming in May:
THIS PAGE IS RESERVED TO SOON ANNOUNCE EXCITING

NEWS ABOUT

EVENTS COMING TO LAS VEGAS, NEVADA, SAN DIEGO,

CALIFORNIA AND PHOENIX, ARIZONA MAY 13 AND 14, 2011


I wonder what the "exciting news" is?

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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:59 AM
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29. There's also a Catherine Smith involved.
The campaignmoney.com page for Americans Against Immigration Amnesty is at http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/527/americans-against-immigration-amnesty.asp

It shows a donation last August from Texans for Arizona's New Immigration Law, and also a small donation from Catherine Smith, shown as an employee of that group.

http://www.statesman.com/news/texas-politics/rally-supporting-arizona-immigration-law-met-by-protesters-744219.html

June 12, 2010

A group called Texans For Arizona's New Immigration Law rallied on the south steps of the Capitol on Saturday afternoon. The event had speakers and a band and counterprotesters.

Texans for Arizona, numbering more than 100, according to event organizer Catherine Smith , set up a stage for The Watts Brothers Band and speakers from other groups, including the Texas Sons of Liberty , the Coalition For an Illegal Free America and the Immigration Reform Coalition of Texas.

But just as the first speaker, demonstrator Brenda Jacobs , got on stage about noon, about 100 counterprotesters walked up to barricades surrounding the rally, chanting "up, up with immigration, down, down with deportation," and holding signs that read, "SB1070 is white supremacy" and "Being brown is not a crime."

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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 08:21 AM
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30. But the group itself appears to consist of Daniel Baltes.
He's received small amounts of money from Smith, William Capener, and Texans For Arizona's New Immigration Law.

That doesn't mean they're actively involved. I've donated money to groups in which I've had no other involvement.

I think this is probably one guy who is trying to build the appearance of some grassroots movements, either because he believes in them or simply to enrich himself.

It appears to be small time astroturf. That doesn't mean it's not a danger. One person can create the impression that large numbers of people support a cause.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 04:36 PM
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35. Smith and her group had the same zipcode as Baltes
That was what made me thing there might be a closer relationship. That plus the fact that Baltes' funding came entirely from three sources, of which those were two.

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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 03:55 PM
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34. DAMMIT I hate having such a common name sometimes
That Catherine Smith gives the rest of us a bad name. :grr:
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 01:59 PM
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32. And a Saltlake City, Utah based group
has standing in Wisconsin how exactly? I would dearly love to have something explained to me by one of these idiot groups: how is it that you can rant and rave about "smaller government" and "get government out of my business" and than turn around and try to interfere in another state's internal political system. What scumbags.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 04:56 PM
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36. Recalling a Democratic State Senator from Madison?
Good luck with that. :rofl:
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 05:57 PM
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37. Wisconsin: 24,019 LDS members, 68 Mormon congregations
Can't find the breakdown in terms of age, but getting the faithful to sign the petitions shouldn't be too hard. Don't know if this is the angle, but it is something to consider.

My stats are from Wikianswers
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:26 PM
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39. I didn't know Wisconsin had that many?
Edited on Fri Feb-25-11 09:34 PM by midnight
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 11:08 PM
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42. Here is a map of the distribution in the US


It is from 2000, but gives a general idea.
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