The photo that has been circulating on the Internet.
<snip> The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today called for a Pentagon investigation of a photograph circulating on the Internet that apparently shows an American soldier mocking an Iraqi child.
The photo sent to CAIR seems to be of an American soldier standing next to two Iraqi children who are giving the thumbs-up sign. One child holds a hand-lettered sign in English that reads: "Lcpl Boudreaux killed my Dad, th(en) he knocked up my sister!" ("Knocked up" is American slang for making someone pregnant out of wedlock.) <snip>
<snip> Awad said CAIR has also received an anonymous letter from a soldier who recently returned from Iraq that claims a commanding officer engaged in inappropriate conduct with prepubescent Iraqi girls. The letter states that the officer, who was named by the writer, referred to the girls as "pre-rag heads" and coerced local Iraqi leaders to provide them in exchange for protection by American soldiers. (The officer's military unit was also named in the letter.) <snip>
Mods...this article is dated April 2, 2004; however, it is posted April 8th to this site: Press Release, The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), 8 April 2004
Last name Boudreaux....probably from Louisiana...some dumb ass hick sending it back to his redneck buddies in Lafayette or something...
And it doesn't look photoshopped but I have seen other versions that obviously were. And it's what soldiers do...they are ruthless and they hate the enemy...it happens..right or wrong when you are shot at all day.
Or, if it is, I have no idea how they did such a good job. I just did some tooling around in Photoshop, and if you blow up the sign, turn it into a greyscale, invert it, and increase the contrast, you can see the ridges of the cardboard all the way through. If there was something else on the sign that had to be covered, who ever did it would have to erase it and replace it. Unless he sat there for hours and hours painstakingly reproducing the original look of the cardboard's ridges, pixel by pixel, we would see the color of the card cardboard, but not the texture.
I don't see an option for posting pictures in the replies. I'd like to show what I found. Any body no how I can post the picture without having to start a new thread?
this one had too many original textures, the shadows over the words, etc. A photoshopper would not have had words that could not be read. I've photoshopped (legitamate) things before.. this looks very real. I'm certain that this is the original, and the others floating around were shopped... If this is NOT the original.. then let's have this Lcpl Boudreaux provide the REAL one from his camera..
30. I don't buy this as real for this one obvious reason
Edited on Thu Apr-08-04 02:54 PM by Mike Daniels
Two kids, one of whom had a dad killed and a sister knocked up are going to allow a US military person stand anywhere close to them and allow their picture to be taken? Right!!
If anything is suspect it's the writing on the paper especially as everything is perfectly centered on the page including the word "sister" below all of the other lines.
The picture may be real but I seriously doubt the writing was the original message.
However, I'm not sure based on what's listed on the thread if CAIR is are complaining that this was a real picture in it's entirety (which I don't think it is based on my observation) or are they are complaining over a tasteless message that's out of context in relation to a benign picture (which I can understand).
The centering and margins of the writing is just too damn accurate for it to be physically handwritten. Probably a typed message using that font and justified spacing which forces lines of text to create perfectly straight margins.
I have a feeling that anyone who thinks this picture is real would probably say that a picture that said GO USA or something along those lines was photoshopped so I guess we'll just agree to disagree.
Why can't you accept that it's REAL? OK, let's look at the font. You don't even need to screw with it. Just look, as one example of many, at the 'a' in 'Dad', and the 'a' above it in, Boudreaux. Can it be any more obvious? What's the next excuse?
was bragging, nor that he killed the father or had raped the sister.
View it more - if it were real - as an attempt to take an absurd picture to show how "stupid those kids are..." e.g., a mocking and rather nasty prank using the kids as the butt of a joke. I have known lots of folks who would pull stunts for that purpose.
I don't, however, concede that the picture is real or not.
34. If a real picture, I would bet that the kids do not read English
and thus have no idea what the sign says. The 'outrage' expressed is thus that the soldier would have asked the kids to pose with him with a thumbs up, have them hold a sign which they have no idea what it says, with the intent to mock them with a pretty disturbing message.
or at least, very, very, strong evidence, that it is not a fake. As you can see, the image on top is ridged, while the cardboard on the bottom is flat gray, because it has had the ridge texture removed with the original writing.
thanx for the pic posting info, ConcernedCanuk!! :kick:
60. Further all the JPG compression artifact is consistent throughout the
cardboard and the rest of the image.. So they would have had to do some very tedious editing, or shot the message on another peice of cardboard at the very best to achieve this result.
In addition, you will notice that none of the other 'photoshopped' messages have the hand encroaching on the message, which would have been a bit of additional difficulty involving layers, etc which would have caused additional hand editing for shadows ect. .
I'd scrawl my message on another piece of cardboard and take a photo, using jpg compression, then photoshop the result, removing the original cardboard in its entirety. It wouldn't be hard to fake. It wouldn't even take much time or talent.
I won't take sides either way. Remember the old adage: don't believe everything you hear, and only half of what you see. This could fall either way.
96. True, you could do that, but then that would also leave traces
Artifacts from the cutting and pasting, inappropriate textures, differentiation in the compression, etc. etc. If this is a Photoshop job, it is a damn good one that took a hell of a long time to complete. The overwhelming number of Photoshop pranksters out there do a quick and dirty cut and run job on their jokes. If this is a shopped job, somebody spent long tedious days and hours on it.
My guess is that this is the real deal, and somebody was doing a sight "gag" to send to the boys back home. I doubt that the Lcpl did what his sign suggests, I think he just has a sick sense of humor.
55. And I'm sure that care never thought of photoshop...
before releasing a press release. Yes, photoshop is way beyond the scope of most people's imaginations. I mean, who would ever think a photo would be faked with photoshop? Probably just geniuses such as yourself.
Thanks for the snide comment. "Geniuses" such as myself would like to point out the following:
Just look at how many people believe this administration, believe what they see, believe what they read, click on every email attachment sent to them, believe that the former son of a Nigerian dictator will give them $25,000,000.
Yes, folks, in America, seeing is believing. This could easily be faked and no amount of deconstructing the pixel texture of the cardboard will ever convince me it isn't faked.
This is the digital era, folks. Believe at your own risk. Why get all worked up about something floating around on the internet. Aren't people dying last time I checked?
If an AP reporter stood up and said "I took the picture, it's real", then maybe I'd eat my words.
"Why get all worked up about something floating around on the internet. Aren't people dying last time I checked?"
Yes, and further humiliating the Iraqi people certainly isn't going to help. You've made your point. There is no way anyone with a PC and photoshop can prove that this is or is not not, fake. We'll just have to see if CAIR can get the Pentagon to investigate, and then if they confront the individual in the photo. Then we'll see whether or not you get to eat your hat.
I can find some pictures on the internet that are far worse than this to poff some muslims. Funny the muslim american relations group never says a damn thing when there are pictures showing "death to america" or the burned bodies of AMERICANS. But no, all the ANTI-American crap is ok...
PS I gave Iraqi a ham and egg MRE in Gulf War I, he liked it too.
Boudreaux & Thibodeaux Lt. Col. David Couvillon, the commander of the 3/23rd and the provisional military governor here, isn't averse to pulling a Boudreaux or Thibodeaux joke from his vast reservoir out when talking with other Marines.
Naturally, many of them get a good laugh, but not every Marine in the unit is from Louisiana and that created some problems for LCpl. Joey Boudreaux, 23, of Thibodeaux. Remarkably, he's the only guy in the unit with that familiar moniker. And thus some of the out-of-state Marines thought that the stories were actually about him.
"I couldn't believe it," Boudreaux said. "These guys thought I was doing all these things, and I had to do some serious explaining to them. What's worse is we had a Thibodeaux in the 3/23rd but he got transferred out."
- James Varney, Times-Picayune correspondent in Iraq
This Boudreaux prankster got these two Iraqis to pose with this sign and himself as a frickin' joke. Whether or not the boys knew what it said doesn't really matter. The photo seems like there isn't too much animosity around, so I doubt that Boudreaux really killed those boys dad or had impregnated their sister.
Now I have seen many other versions of this photo, all of which were obviously altered. This one doesn't look altered because of its flaws. Why would someone photoshop a message onto a picture and then have it blocked by the hand of the person holding it? And why have it so dim that you can hardly make out the words?
Realize this, it is obvious that something was written on the sign and a photo taken of it, or else why hold that damn piece of cardboard up in the first place, and pose for a picture? So, by reasonable deduction, I am going with the one in the original post by tlcandie, it looks most like it was written in Iraq by a marine on a crappy piece of cardboard, impromptu.
Boudreaux just made a joke for his buddies or his family or whatever. It is sarcasm I believe.
Looks like painting with clone brush from other kid's thumb (the white stuff around it). Not to mention weird angle.
Little bit tricky to add the handwriting--not a font, and I don't see any artifacts. Even looks like there was supposed to be an exclamation point on the end, not finished like a dead pen.
But for sure the thumb is a fake.
Where's the soldier's insignia?
Edit: Those realmadrid jerseys appear to have a logo about where that white stuff is, so I'll back off my statement the thumb is a fake. It looks odd, but that happens with all the variables in making a photo and going to a little jpeg.
His other finger is there, there's some likely jpeg artifacts around it too, and in shadow.
I'd say jury is out on this one, unless someone finds where it came from.
Is it just a genetic thing? Nothing could be more likely and obvious than this original photo was a straight up tasteless joke, followed by a bunch of photoshopped takes that serve no real purpose. Ya'll got too much pride in our armed forces or something? They are out there killing Iraqi citizens right this second.
99. Actually, I believed it was real the minute I saw it
But I understand that someone from a military, especially Marine, background might be in denial about such a photo. And I believe there are soldiers over there who really think/thought they were bringing democracy to the Iraqi people and wanted to help them. U.S. troops are not angels or demons, just soldiers.
I'm a pretty good photo re-toucher in photoshop. I don't have time to breakdown all these pix, but I can offer some observations that may be helpful.
To fake something like this an amateur would fill in the cardboard with a flat color, as is the case in a few of these.
The better approach would be to build the blank cardboard from the parts with no writing on them. There are many ways to do that but it's almost impossible for the lines of corrugation in the cardboard to all line up. Even if you took a cardboard area from a different photo there will be misalignments around the edges where it was integrated.
There are zillions of scrawled handwriting fonts available, but the writing in the original (most controversial) version looks like handwriting to me due to variance in the letter forms--some handwriting fonts might have alternates for a few letters, but not five or six different lower-case E's. That said, all the variations could be done after the fact by a meticulous re-toucher, or the message could be written with a graphics pen or tablet without any need for a font.
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