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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 08:10 PM
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Obama to Press Centrist Agenda in His Address
Source: The New York Times

WASHINGTON President Obama will outline an agenda for winning the future in his State of the Union address on Tuesday night, striking a theme of national unity and renewal, as he stresses the need for both government spending in key areas and an attack on the budget deficit.

Mr. Obama previewed the themes in a video e-mailed on Saturday evening to Democratic activists who had helped in his election campaign, mostly liberals. But the video made plain that his speech would be geared more broadly toward the political center, to independent voters and business owners and executives alienated by the expansion of government and the partisan legislative fights of the past two years.

My number one focus, he said, is going to be making sure that we are competitive, and we are creating jobs not just now but well into the future.

Advisers said the president would describe five pillars for ensuring Americas competitiveness and economic growth: innovation, education, infrastructure, deficit reduction and reforming government.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/23/us/politics/23obama.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 08:15 PM
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1. More outsourcing and more offshoring of jobs, and tax cuts for the rich
Yay, Go America! We are number 1!!! U S A U S A U S A
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 01:12 AM
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21. +1 --
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 08:21 PM
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2. He would have to move sharply left to be in the center at this point. n/t
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 11:36 PM
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13. +10 n/t
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 11:43 PM
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16. I agree completely.
Obama is easily the biggest political disappoint I have had in the 34 years that I have been voting.
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on point Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 11:46 PM
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17. Agreed. That is EXACTLY the problem the media doesn't get!!
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 01:16 AM
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25. Media companies do indeed get it.
They are owned mostly by corporations that benefit from our government's policies. Everything you see on MSM is designed to manage American perceptions of the world, promote a particular world view and manufacture consent for our government's conduct.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 01:18 AM
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26. +1000% --
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 01:13 AM
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22. +1000% --
exactly -- we now have one far right party and one radical right party --

anyone in the center of that is on the right!

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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 12:27 PM
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38. +1
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 04:34 AM
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61. Yup ... Exactly! nt
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 08:26 PM
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3. Oh, so that must mean he's going to take a hard left?
It's the Corporate Sycophant in Chief.
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 08:40 PM
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4. I wasn't this disgusted ....
even when Bush was selected.

:puke:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 08:54 PM
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6. Come to think of it, neither was I.
Mind if I join you? :puke:
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 09:15 PM
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9. Got room for me?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 01:14 AM
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23. +1 --
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 08:45 PM
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5. "deficit reduction"
Advisers said the president would describe five pillars for ensuring Americas competitiveness and economic growth: innovation, education, infrastructure, deficit reduction and reforming government.

Sounds like more empty speechifying to me.

I suspect "deficit reduction" means dismantling social programs like social security. "Reforming government" probably means even less regulation of corporations and wall street banksters. The rest is already meaningless since it would involve having to tax the rich, and we can't have any of that.
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 08:58 PM
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7. Perhaps he's read the writing on the wall...
... and realized that, having sold out his own party, Dems won't be turning out in droves to support him in the next election, so he'd better recruit the center or else no one will vote for him.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 09:09 PM
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8. we can wait and see. a left turn towards the center would be change we can believe in lol nt
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 09:39 PM
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10. That would be an idiotic gamble.
All the Republicans will have to do is run someone who isn't a lunatic and they'll win big.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 02:02 PM
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43. EXACTLY .....
but there isn't a single Pube that can get the nomination without the Teabaggers support and as soon as you get the teabags in your corner you have effectively gone off the reservation as to anything centrist and therefore are unable to pull the independents.... So to your point the Pukes will nominate a loon and Obama will win in a landslide.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 02:00 PM
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42. LOL....
His poll numbers are going way up, I think after this SOTU speech he will be at around 55 percent approval.... It doesn't matter what the professional left think about him you will be given a choice between Obama and (####any Repuke).... You will pick Obama even if you do it while holding your nose and he will deliver exactly what the GOP tells him to deliver and we will live with the consequences for another generation....
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 04:20 PM
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51. Actually, I'll probably do a write in for Kucinich
At this point, it makes no substantive difference whether Obama wins another term or a Repuke does, so I won't let myself be bullied into voting for him, unless the alternative is someone truly ghastly like Glen Beck.
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corpseratemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 09:56 PM
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11. all those small business owners who didn't go out of business in the last two years..
the magical mystical "center" Wall Street Far Fiscal Right ..intent on destroying "entitlements"
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 10:15 PM
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12. I guess that means he'll ignore what the public wants again
... since the public consistently shows a preference for "un-centrist" policies like taxing the rich and corporations at fair rates, etc etc etc - in other words, "un-centrist" only because the Corporate/Oligarch 1% - and their hanger on wannabees - don't want them policies. Making plain again that the only "votes that count" are in $$.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 12:16 AM
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18. centrism might've worked in '96 but probably not 2012 i guess.
Do you realistically believe that a liberal Obama would survive a Republican House and narrowly Democratic Senate?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 01:16 AM
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24. +1 -
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 11:43 PM
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15. This business owner is sick and tired of President Obama sucking up to
the Chamber of Commerce. It's time to act like Democrats, not Centrists (which really means Republican-lite) and work for the interests of the American workers who are taking a fuck of a beating from Corporations who are making record profits sending their factories overseas. This is pure NAFTA love and it's sucking the lifeblood out of this nation.

Shame on you, Mr. President. We want a DEMOCRAT not a Republican-lite "Centrist".


I really love the part about the whole nation working together to move forward. Democrats, Republicans, and Independents. Haven't I heard that somewhere before, like for the last two years. You offered your hand to them, President Obama, and they tried to bite it off. Grow a pair, sir.

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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 12:36 AM
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19. Sometimes one is embarrassed to be a member of the same species.
I felt that way with Shrub too. And Reagan.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 01:01 AM
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20. I am really getting sick and tired of ....
I am really getting sick and tired of the Obama aides letting folks know what Obama's speeches are going to be about before he gives them. It gives the talking heads on TV too much time to bash Obama even before he gives the speeches.
I think they shouldn't give any clues beforehand and then we would all sit in front of the TV and listen more carefully and would have the opportunity to be surprised by what he has to say!
Just my opinion ;)

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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 01:53 AM
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27. I too would like to listen to his speech . . . . . before deciding it's more proof of a sellout.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 05:45 AM
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28. I am really getting tired of this beating of a dead horse people
Edited on Sun Jan-23-11 05:51 AM by cstanleytech
Some of you here (and I apologize in advance) need to grow up and face the reality that the president no matter who he is usually has to work with people of the opposing party to get stuff done.
Now I am not saying I myself am not disappointed with some of the decisions Obama has made or some of the comprises he has made with the republicans and I think he should have stood up to them more on some issues but what I am saying is I have learned that you have to sometimes comprise to get stuff done or nothing will get done if no one will comprise.

edit: Oh and before the with the complaints starts of we shouldnt have voted for him or such I will remind you our choices at the time were limited to him or to a McCain/Palin ticket and as much as some of you like to bash and trash Obama I personally believe still that a McCain/Palin presidency would have been far.....farrrrrrrrr worse so keep that in mind.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 05:56 AM
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29. I don't see anyone upset that Obama works with the opposition;
it's more that he does their work for them that earns him criticism.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 06:32 AM
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31. Which is why our government continually moves to the right.
Edited on Sun Jan-23-11 06:33 AM by ixion
Dem presidents 'work with' the GOP, and then when the GOP is in power they shift the focus to the right under the guise of a 'mandate', etc.

And ever rightward we go. The top 1% thanks you for your support.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 07:57 AM
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32. Government moves to the right
because that is who we elect to run it. There never was a left-of-center majority, and hasn't been one since the early 60s. We get what we vote for.

If you want leftward movement, it must become true that any move toward the right causes your poll numbers to fall and your chances to be re-elected decrease. As it is, moves to the center or center right cause poll numbers to rise and assure re-election. We get what we will vote for.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 08:26 AM
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33. "We get who we vote for" is a Red Herring. We 'get' who the top 1% want us to get.
and anyone who doesn't fit that narrowly-defined parameter is summarily removed from the narrative via character assassination (or worse), or by the MSM simply ignoring them. Either way, these populist ideas are removed from the status-quo narrative. Hence, we 'vote' for a consistently corrupt list of people.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 11:03 PM
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58. We vote for Dan Webster over Alan Grayson
Your premise is faulty. We actually elect many RW idiots to lots of positions that the 1% could not give a flip about.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 12:35 PM
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40. No, Obama was NOT ELECTED because he was the right wing candidate - that was McCain/Palin.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 11:19 PM
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59. True, but the teahadiists were elected
because they were the angry far right, and many challengers lost to them because they were not angry enough. If you face facts, President Obama was elected because he was the precise opposite of GW Bush. He was a Democrat, not a Republican, he was clearly smart, and Bush wasn't, he was eloquent, and Bush wasn't, he had a vision, and Bush didn't, he was apparently stable, and Bush wasn't.

People misread elections all the time. They think their ideology won. If ideology wins elections, then John Kerry was President in 2004. President Obama projected an image of cool competence and intellect, John McCain projected cluelessness and irritability. Elections are about image, not ideology.

Teahadists have no ideas, but their image of angry revolt appealed. Upon winning, like most politicians they believe their ideas won. This will be their downfall.

This is why I placed bets that Obama would win the nomination and then the general election by 5 to 7 percent, before the Iowa Caucus. It is image. Any other notion is simply confusion.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 12:22 PM
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35. I respectfully disagree
because we do advance its just not as fast as many of us probably want.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 04:09 PM
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50. Despite some token advances, nothing significant has happened since the 60's
And overall, the general 'bent' of government has moved significantly rightward, starting with the so-called 'Regan Democrats' and moving on from there.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 05:55 PM
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53. Advances throughout history take time
for example it took us thousands of years to get to our current technical level and that only really started up in the 18th century then there is the whole issue with how long it took to implement laws abolishing segregation yet slavery in our country had been abolished fully in our nation after the civil war.
Now it would be great if things like DADT being abolished as well as equal rights to gay couples happened faster but things like this do not happen overnight, it takes time for the public to accept them but once they do then we advance on to the next thing to make our nation better for everyone.
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nyy1998 Donating Member (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 10:19 AM
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34. Agreed!
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 12:28 PM
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39. He is working FOR the other party, not WITH them.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 03:26 PM
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49. so i guess he wants the "professional left" off his back through this speech? n/t
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 06:28 AM
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30. Centrist my arse. Corporatist is more accurate.
I'm sad to say.
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dmosh42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 12:25 PM
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36. Yes, very accurate! n/t
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 12:26 PM
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37. Translation = hard right agenda
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Still a Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 01:51 PM
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41. So liberals oppose innovation, education, infrastructure, deficit reduction & reforming government?
Not this liberal.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 02:11 PM
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45. Don't be fooled...
In case you haven't been paying attention the attack on entitlements, labor unions, community outreach programs and Lawyers, is just about to start..... The right will demand Social Security privitization, a new healthcare reform that privitizes (destroys) medicare and gives massive tax breaks to corporations ..... Unions contracts will be voided, pensions and benefits removed or pared down all in the name of giving more control and power to the corporations....
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Still a Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 02:22 PM
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46. Relax
The right has been making noise about privatizing SS and Medicare for a long time. Not sure where you're getting the stuff about union contracts being voided.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 06:37 PM
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55. WAKE UP ITS ALL AROUND YOU....
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 06:47 PM
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57. Next up they will be calling for
End of all foreign aide, closure and defunding of the UN, end of unions, privitize Social Security, Privitize Medicare, cutting all social programs, and a tax code rewrite that targets the middle and lower income levels with no more tax credits and straight percentage tax rates. I can't believe even some Democrats have fallen for this bogus claim that this is what the last election was about.
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purrFect Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 02:08 PM
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44. if that were true, i would expect a leftward shift, however i bet we will continue right
bet
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 02:35 PM
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47. And that would be the Republican centrist agenda .... right?

Which is a bit more "liberal" than the "tea party" Republican faction agenda and easier to swallow by the public .... so they hope.
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 03:08 PM
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48. He was a centrist when he got elected
I'm still stunned that people are surprised that Obama is/was/will always be a centrist.

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 06:02 PM
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54. FDR was a centrist. Truman was a centrist. Ike and JFK were centrists
But they might as well have been far-left radicals compared to today's corporate-sponsored "centrists".
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 04:25 PM
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52. Pissed off that my vote went for a centrist.
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 06:39 PM
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56. Looks more like GOP talking points to me
SO you don't have to wonder why I'll be sitting out the 2012 elections.
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 02:49 AM
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60. the center will be America's undoing
nt
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 04:40 AM
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62. All Right!!! Then he's moving to the Left, because that's the only way to
get to the middle from the right where he is now! :bounce:


Of course sadly I don't really believe that's what he means at all. If anything he'll be going even further right. :-(
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