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IScreamSundays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:39 PM Original message |
Wikileaks did not commit a crime, House Judiciary chairman says |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
1. And he's absolutely correct. |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. except for the "Wikileaks is very unpopular" part. n/t |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
68. exactly. it's mostly offensive to the empire |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #68 |
81. I believe he was talking about inside the beltway. |
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molly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #45 |
86. subsuelo |
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ashling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
52. I could never figure out under what authority |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 08:34 PM Response to Reply #52 |
116. You don't have to be an AMCIT or on US soil to be subject to US |
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ashling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #116 |
121. But under what authority? |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #121 |
192. The same authority that allows the Italian government to try anyone committing a crime against their |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:18 PM Response to Reply #116 |
126. But you have to have committed a crime, and that is not the case here. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 06:45 AM Response to Reply #126 |
148. "they do not rule the world" |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #126 |
160. Try reading the law before you make such nonsensical pronouncements. He is nothing more than |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #160 |
163. What law would that be, counsel? You seem well-informed, so let us know. |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. I already did in reply 43. Try to keep up with the thread if you are going to post in it. (nt) |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. Got any case law for us on the use of 18 U.S.C. § 793 in relation to publications by the press? |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #165 |
178. Since when am I your servant? If you want to find case law, look |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #178 |
183. You're the one who cited 18 U.S.C. § 793 as usable against Assange... |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #183 |
191. It really doesn't matter if it's never been used as a charge against the press. The statute allows |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #191 |
193. Ah, so you're looking for a precedent to overturn 219 years of First Amendment press protection. |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 07:45 AM Response to Reply #193 |
196. I don't consider Assange to be the "press" in the same regard as say the New York Times. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #196 |
200. Banamex v. NarcoNews (2001) set a different precedent. Can you cite case law for your argument? |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #200 |
202. Did the NY Times editor in cheif start as a computer hacker turned "journalist" for cover? (nt) |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #202 |
204. Thanks for confirming you have no case law and want to overturn First Amendment protection. |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #204 |
217. What's going to happen is Assange is going to be charged and |
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Lord Magus (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #202 |
209. In the absence of relevant facts, you resort to irrelevant ones. |
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Lord Magus (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #191 |
208. The CONSTITUTION, however, does NOT allow for it. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #160 |
173. And your evidence please? |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #173 |
179. Yes, the judiciary committee trumps US Code. Got it. (nt) |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #179 |
181. Of course Congress trumps the military. This is not a military |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #181 |
190. I was citing US code not the (UCMJ) [sic]. And this person (Manning) is NOT being |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:08 PM Response to Reply #179 |
195. Court verdicts trump everything. The paragraph you cite has never been used the way you want. |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 08:56 AM Response to Reply #195 |
197. Not until they write new code and have it passed into law. And that hasn't happened in this case. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #197 |
201. Again, by all appearances you are fitting the law into your preference for repressive enforcement... |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #201 |
203. Case law is not an impediment to enforcement, and you know it. This specious argument |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #203 |
206. Oh, I agree. "Enforcement" constantly makes a mockery of the law. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #197 |
205. You have it the wrong way around. Existing law doesn't make a criminal of Assange. |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #205 |
218. Existing law makes Assange a criminal. Something he's used to being in more than one country. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm glad he said it, he's the first elected official who appears |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Yes. Only unpopular with the Right crowd and the un-informed. We are soooooo stupid! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. He said it on the record and Nader wonderfully introduced into the record |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
99. Thank you for that link. I missed that hearing. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 12:22 AM Response to Reply #99 |
129. Self delete |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 09:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
118. Ron Paul did, too. (FYI, I am no fan of Ron Paul.) |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #118 |
125. Yes, you are right, Ron Paul did say it also. I am not a fan of any |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
136. k/r |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
3. And Conyers is...right! n/t |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
4. Kudos to Congressman Conyers for his respect for the First Amendment and the rule of law. |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
5. K and R for diversion boy |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:19 PM Original message |
K&R |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
7. K&R |
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RoccoR5955 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. K & R n/t |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
9. Will the new House majority in January |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
32. I think that Conyers will hold on to his post. He has had |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
61. No, he will not hold on to his post. When the GOP takes over... |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
47. delete |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
10. Correct. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
11. President Barack Obama told leaders on Saturday that WikiLeaks' actions were deplorable |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I think that "deplorable" and "crime" are two wholly separate concepts |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Correct. I would also bet that the DOJ has flipped manning and |
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IScreamSundays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I am sure when the DOD is done with Manning... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. bzzt wrong. i bet bradass has been on tape since he was placed in custody. |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Is the death penalty on the table? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I would bet in espionage case it is.. |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
215. Aren't we at war? |
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Boudica the Lyoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
57. bradass? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. manning's self applied username. google bradass87, you can read his confession |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 06:50 AM Response to Reply #14 |
150. He will say anything they want. |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Espionage! That's laughable |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Conspiracy in Federal court is not "jack bauer" its ames and pollard. |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Nothing has changed on this since the Pentagon papers |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I would not bet on that. Manning stole 250,000 random cables and dumped them |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 12:35 AM Response to Reply #28 |
131. Self delete |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:52 AM Response to Reply #28 |
138. Maybe you should wait for trial before declaring the verdict. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
96. The Nixon administration did charge The New York times... |
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The Flaming Red Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
82. Have you read the cables? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Actually, in one sense it IS a catastrophe for governments around the world. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. It also restricts people who use that information for things like |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Yes it does. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Sure it will cost billions. You are picking up the tab, enjoy the show. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. You really don't get what Assange was talking about, do you? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Yes, he is an egomaniac calling for the potus to resign. I understand the all info should be free |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. I'm not calling for the destruction of representative democracy. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:17 PM Original message |
Again, how is securing enriched uranium at a previously secret location |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
65. Hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. no it was real. It was a pakistani cable where the concern was THEIR people |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #67 |
91. Is there any place for secrecy in government? That's a very good question. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. can you give a simple outline of how a fully open system would work? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Nope. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #93 |
104. It's easier than that. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #93 |
119. Thanks for responding to "Ignored" |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 06:46 AM Response to Reply #119 |
149. Actually I even enjoy it (for a while) |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #149 |
169. That must be it... |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #92 |
106. ... and there you go, asking such a question while having linux as your avatar |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. bet you don't know how much TS stuff runs on rhel?(nt) |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. bet you don't know how little that changes the ironymeter... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Nice patch distribution is important to big guys |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. Pzzzt the real big boys roll their own patches |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #115 |
123. My position was asking how it would work, no secrets anywhere. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 01:49 AM Response to Reply #123 |
221. Is a PLC controller anything like an ATM machine or PIN number? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 01:43 AM Response to Reply #111 |
220. "The most interesting rpm OS in the world" |
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go west young man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 01:27 AM Response to Reply #106 |
133. He's Mr. free and open source! |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 05:32 AM Response to Reply #106 |
143. Damn, that's funny! |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 07:01 AM Response to Reply #106 |
152. LOL with you! nt |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 05:29 AM Response to Reply #91 |
142. Damn, you're right. I called it a straw man, but you have the correct fallacy. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 06:51 AM Response to Reply #142 |
151. He is using both |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #151 |
156. Yeah, but he doesn't talk to me anyway |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 05:27 AM Response to Reply #67 |
141. I won't argue absolutism, but that isn't what Wikileaks exposed. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 05:24 AM Response to Reply #51 |
140. Imagine a world where "diplomacy" is conducted in full view of God and man. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #51 |
194. You haven't read the cables, have you? You think they are aimed |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 05:20 AM Response to Reply #35 |
139. Pavilion, |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. That's a quite interesting perspective |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Its been a felony for longer than you have been alive. calling it leaking |
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Lord Magus (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
213. Except the Constitution prohibits such a prosecution. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
166. "Flipped" Manning. So you believe. We'll see if testimony from torture stands up in court. |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
34. Gosh. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Should he resign, yes or no(nt) |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. President Biden? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. You think biden will dismantle the CIA, NSA, and other agencies |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Let's get rid of this whole democracy thing altogether. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. We can use the Sudan and Somolia for a model.. |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. But as long as you believe you have a place at the table, |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. If people dont go smashing the furnature because they can |
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elias49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
74. 250,000 documents, besides having no connection to crimes, |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. They weren't top secret, they were secret, and the LOC |
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elias49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #75 |
85. "Some of it would be made public at some point..." |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 05:56 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. ANd the expat who was reporting..none of that should be in the clear |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 05:37 AM Response to Reply #75 |
145. So Wikileaks crime is letting the sunshine in too early? |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 05:35 AM Response to Reply #54 |
144. Circumvents the Democratic process? |
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crazyjoe (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. it also gets things like slavery legalized |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
66. any President of the US should stand behind the First Amendment |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Better call up Holder at the DOJ. They are the ones |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. A very small truth on which to rest such big lies |
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sirthomas66 (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #66 |
103. I forgot about that. Can Norway reclaim a Nobel Prize? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 12:29 AM Response to Reply #11 |
130. Obama and his WH have shown contempt for the left a number of times. |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
16. well, perhaps the state department needed to make sure |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
18. I don't get how he can say that |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. He's not saying that. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. The key will be in how the information was acquired. |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. That's how things work in Tom Clancy novels |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. There is no way to fix a system unless you remove all the users. The |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Obama also needs to become aware of a fact that Nixon knew early on |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
53. If Julian Assange sent Bradley Manning after data... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. I dont think so. If he used him as an agent for his cause |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Do you have a link to Julian Assange saying he isn't press? NT |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. looking. been awhile, comment was I an not press but an editor at large..sic |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #64 |
159. I don't want people prosecuted for acting as "press" or for acting as "an editor at large." NT |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 07:10 PM Response to Reply #64 |
168. Got that comment yet Pavulon or are you just lying? |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #64 |
187. Still waiting...will do this for a long time. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #187 |
188. Aww, you hurt my feelings. I CAN NOT find that article, so I will RETRACT the |
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Lord Magus (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #188 |
214. I guess that's why Bob Woodward was prosecuted... |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 05:40 AM Response to Reply #58 |
146. Editor. He's press and you are parsing words for some benefit |
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Lord Magus (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #146 |
216. Because it's easier than admitting to being a 1st Amendment abolitionist. |
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go west young man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 01:38 AM Response to Reply #25 |
134. It has clearly stated at the Wikileaks website since 2006 that anyone can submit |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
43. This is pretty cut and dry if the government wants to make a case |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #43 |
72. Hah! |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. He will do a hard 25 for conspiracy, dont worry. If they can make espionage work |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #73 |
120. You seem to be incredibly mean-spirited |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 09:43 AM Response to Reply #72 |
155. Please. He knew it would damage the US, and took pride in it. |
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go west young man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #155 |
161. Wikileaks 5 year record of releasing info on all nations, many |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. Nice try, but the law is clear. It doesn't say anything about it having to be an |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #162 |
175. Too bad for you that it does not harm the U.S. to expose the |
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Lord Magus (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 01:08 AM Response to Reply #162 |
219. Nice try, but the 1st Amendment is very clear. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #155 |
174. Sounds good to me. Liars who drag their countries into wars |
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ChemDork (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #155 |
184. You need to be careful. Very careful. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #184 |
210. lol |
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Lord Magus (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
207. Nope. |
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Eyerish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
19. K&R |
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Daemonaquila (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
26. Thanks, JC. |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
33. At least he didn't say that PVT Manning did not commit a crime. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
170. He may have committed a "crime" in the eyes of |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 09:54 PM Response to Reply #170 |
177. Who are the "People's of Earth?" |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
56. The problem is he won't be the chairman anymore in 3 weeks. |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
63. Evidently, the Dept. of Justice does not agree. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #63 |
78. This would be the same Dept. of Justice that didn't believe in investigating Cheney/Bush and |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. D'oh! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Or rectify the Siegelman case or the same one who put the FBI |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #78 |
97. I'm trying to find the link between Bush and Assange, but it is no where to be found. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 05:42 AM Response to Reply #78 |
147. Hilarious if it weren't so ghoulishly wrong. |
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Lord Magus (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #63 |
211. So what? |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
70. K&R n/t |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
71. K&R. nt |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
77. ..until next year.. |
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Stoic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
80. Delete this. |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
84. K & R |
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Devil_Fish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
88. Espionage only applies to acts commited on U.S. Soil, or by U.S. Citizens. NT |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. conspiracy does not have that limitation. (nt) |
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Devil_Fish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #89 |
102. So when will Dick be charged for conspiring with Scooter? NT |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Are you suggesting that your straw man was involved in a conspiracy? |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. Someone is saying something not nice about Dick Cheney, quick to the fallacy mobile... |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 08:09 AM Response to Reply #110 |
153. You have to be really quick in order to save yourself from the straw men. |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
90. Yay, John! |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
94. I love it when common sense walks in through the door. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
95. So it is clear they did not aid the person who stole the documents in any way at all? |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #95 |
176. Their M.O. was always to sit back and let people send them stuff. |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
98. WMD, Acorn, Sherrod, etc. --this whole thing is a hoax |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
100. good guy |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
101. First Ron Paul, now Conyers...that is better than nothing. Looking |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
108. Thank you Rep. Conyers.... This witch hunt of Julian should |
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MikeW (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
109. thats for judge and jury to decide not some elected politician making soundbites |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 12:57 AM Response to Reply #109 |
132. What he said was being unpopular is not a crime |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
113. CHEERS for John Conyers ... !! |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
114. K & R |
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The abyss (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
117. No Axis Sally nor Tokyo Rose need apply. |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
122. K&R |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
124. Anyone who trades liberty for security |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
127. I really doubt the administration will follow through on the DOJ's threat to prosecute |
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ProfessionalLeftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
128. PERSECUTION - not prosecution |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:24 AM Response to Original message |
135. Right on, Conyers! You make us proud. The others have made us ashamed. nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:47 AM Response to Original message |
137. Conyers: Profile in Courage. |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
154. This Isn't Really News |
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The Flaming Red Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
157. Don't you wish Conyers was Prez |
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howaboutme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
158. Why isn't Obama saying this? |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #158 |
167. Because he does not agree. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #167 |
171. Because obama's on his way |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #171 |
172. That is quite a statement coming from someone who worships at the alter of Castro and Chavez. |
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go west young man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #172 |
180. Here's a "Straw Man" for ya. For someone who posted 4 times |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 10:47 PM Response to Reply #180 |
189. It's a creative thing, you wouldn't understand. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #189 |
212. not as creative as you'd like to think |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
182. Bravo Rep. Conyers! |
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buckrogers1965 (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
185. If Manning had access to all this data... |
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Marthe48 (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
186. Thank you Mr. Conyers |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
198. Kick ... |
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pnorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
199. K & R! For the useful discussion throughout this entire thread. |
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