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t0dd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:40 PM
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Grassley: Tax deal includes biofuel subsidies
Source: Des Moines Register

The tax legislation that congressional Republicans and the White House have agreed to will include extensions of the biodiesel and ethanol subsidies through 2011, says Iowa. Charles Grassley, the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee. The $1-a-gallon biodiesel subsidy, which lapsed at the end of 2009, would be retroactive to this year, he said.

Some leading Senate Democrats, including the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Max Baucus of Montana, indicated that the energy tax provisions were still to be worked out. “We’re going to have to wait the detail,” said North Dakota Sen. Kent Conrad, a member of the finance committee.

Read more: http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2010/12/07/tax-deal-includes-biofuel-subsidies/
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:51 PM
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1. pouring all kinds of money into pockets for support - but not seniors for food

good 'ol boys network continues to shine it's ugly green light on American values

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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:00 PM
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2. so stupid. so, so stupid.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:01 PM
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3. Is biofuel an economical solution?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:15 PM
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7. No nor is it moral
It would take all of the arable land on the Earth's surface to grow enough biofuel crops to replace just the USAmerican transportation requirement...
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:16 PM
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8. Not using corn and soy it isn't. It contributes to more green house gasses than
doing nothing, and drives up the cost of food for people.
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:42 PM
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12. Not really, which is why they want taxpayer money that could
otherwise be used to fix infrastructure, create jobs, pay for teachers, etc.,

Instead of just buying a barrel of oil, refining it and burning it, they have to buy oil, turn it into fertilizer, transport that to the fields and grow a lot of corn, (which has its own separate set of payments of taxpayer money to large business concerns) which requires more oil, then transport it to the refinery where more energy is used to create the ethanol...

Well, you get the idea. When we were cut off by OPEC it became one of many solutions to gain our independence (again), but when that ended they lowered the price of oil and everyone forgot about all the alternative energy research. (Well, except for China who just announced a $1.5 trillion investment into strategic industries, one of them being alternative energies, but I digress). The people who had invested in ethanol got a congressperson or two to argue their case and, slither, they got their tentacles into the public's money.

There are far better uses for that land, including sustainable farming which doesn't require the petroleum-based fertilizers and weed killers that are nearly ubiquitous in our food supply.

It also has some effect on prices, but most people miss the fact that because the rules protecting us from commodity hoarders (developed back in the early 1900's, like the ones that were removed to allow Wall Street to create the depression we are in now)were changed about 10, maybe 20 years ago, so speculators do far more to drive up prices than demand and supply now does. Quite sad, actually, because those price swings in petroleum and food are nothing more than a hugely regressive tax on those that can least afford it. Yet politicians routinely use the supply\demand arguments because they want the donations of the wealthy, which would likely cease if they were honest about the cause of their prices rocketing up.

Hope that helps.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:15 PM
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15. That is what I thought... I didn't want to go wild on it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:09 PM
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4. Dangers of president's making "back room" deals with GOP ... !!!
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:13 PM
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5. You do realize that biofuel and ethanol
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 02:14 PM by ProudDad
are starving human being type people, don't you?

In order to fill the gas tanks of USAmerican SUVs...

And the corporate coffers of ADM, Cargill, etc...

And the campaign funds of assholes like Grassley...
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:14 PM
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6. Corn and soy are very bad policy choices for bio-fuels. This is a bummer.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:17 PM
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9. pervertevery peice of legislation you can
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:31 PM
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10. This is not good policy. As usual. Grassley does not care about
solving problems as long as he can buy his way back into the congress.
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nyy1998 Donating Member (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:42 PM
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11. +1 nt
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:14 PM
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13. That is true.
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bergie321 Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:32 PM
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14. Making Cargill Richer
And everyone else poorer as food prices rise worldwide.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:18 AM
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16. Instead of pouring food down the drain, how about cutting the subsidies to the oil corps.
that would more than off set the tax for the rich.

Well, maybe not, but it would be a step in the right direction.
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