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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 06:49 PM
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WikiLeaks cables: Bin Laden's PR is better than ours, Americans complained
Edited on Sun Nov-28-10 07:18 PM by Turborama
Source: The Guardian

'Wanted' posters and matchboxes distributed in Pakistan were met with shops selling pro-Osama souvenir versions

Declan Walsh
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 28 November 2010 20.30 GMT


A Pakistani man in Peshawar looks at posters for sale depicting
Osama bin Laden as a hero. Photograph: Tariq Mahmood/AFP

Osama bin Laden has been a bugbear for American officials in Pakistan since long before the 9/11 attacks. In 1999 the Islamabad embassy noted that Bin Laden posters were hitting the streets for just 30 cents – "a bit more than the cost of a sidewalk haircut".

The posters, officials wrote despairingly, were proving more popular than the US government's "wanted" posters, which risked proving counter-productive. New wanted posters and matchboxes "may increase 's stature as a kind of folk hero", they said.

Even the Taliban, "in sharp contrast with their ordinary execrable public relations performance", was doing better than the US, the message continued. "We face a formidable foe among those churning out pro-Osama propaganda."

The message urged Washington to consider a new raft of anti-Bin Laden propaganda through the Voice of America radio station, interviews with Bin Laden victims, "commissioned articles" in the local press and an anti-Bin Laden website.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/bin-laden-propaganda-embassy-cables




An Osama bin Laden 'wanted'
poster distributed by the
US after the bombing of its
embassies in Kenya and
Tanzania on 7 August 1998.
Photograph: AFP



US embassy cables: Diplomats bemoan Bin Laden's 'folk hero' status
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 28 November 2010 20.25 GMT

Summary:
US officials in Pakistan urge the stepping up of the propaganda war in the press and online against Osama Bin Laden two years before 9/11. Key passage highlighted in yellow (I'm putting it in bold).


Tuesday, 26 January 1999, 03:32
C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 ISLAMABAD 000495
USIA
FOR NEA, I/GNEA
STATE FOR SA/PAB, D, PA
EO 12958 DECL: 01/23/09
TAGS PREL, PTER, KISL, PK, AF
SUBJECT: PUBLIC DIPLOMACY: USAMA BIN LADIN
REF: PESHAWAR 031

1. CLASSIFIED BY PUBLIC DIPLOMACY COUNSELOR RICHARD HOAGLAND FOR REASONS 1.5(D)

2. (C) SUMMARY: IT IS OUR IMPRESSION THAT THE USG IS NOT DOING AS WELL AS IT MIGHT PROJECTING PUBLIC DIPLOMACY ON USAMA BIN LADIN (UBL). WE WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WASHINGTON CONSIDER A REVIEW OF THIS PUBLIC DIPLOMACY EFFORT. END SUMMARY.

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PUBLIC OPINION TRENDS

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2. (C) WE NOTE THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC OPINION TRENDS:

-- THE PRO-TALIBAN AL-RASHID TRUST IN KARACHI CONTINUES TO CHURN OUT PRO-UBL -- AND CORRESPONDINGLY ANTI-U.S./ANTI-WESTERN -- BOOKS, NEWSPAPERS, MAGAZINES, AND POSTERS IN URDU, ENGLISH, AND AFGHAN LANGUAGES AT NOMINAL COST OR FOR FREE DISTRIBUTION. E.G., THE TRUST RECENTLY INTRODUCED A 3' X 2' FOUR- COLOR PRO-UBL POSTER WITH PHOTOS, MAPS, AND IDEOLOGICAL TEXTS AVAILABLE FOR 15 RUPEES, ABOUT 30 CENTS -- JUST A BIT MORE THAN THE COST OF A SIDEWALK HAIRCUT. THIS POSTER BEAT THE USG'S UBL "WANTED" POSTER TO THE STREET.

-- WE FREQUENTLY HEAR REPORTS THAT SOME IN THE LOWER-MIDDLE AND LOWER CLASSES, BOTH URBAN AND RURAL, CONSIDER UBL AN ISLAMIC HERO BECAUSE THE U.S. HAS NAMED HIM "PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE." THAT SAID, IT'S OUR IMPRESSION THAT THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS, AT LEAST IN PAKISTAN, DO NOT NECESSARILY SUPPORT THIS VIEW. THE PENDING USG DISTRIBUTION OF UBL "WANTED" POSTERS AND MATCHBOOKS IN PAKISTAN MAY INCREASE UBL'S STATURE AS A KIND OF FOLK HERO.

-- U.S. AND BRITISH EFFORTS TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN TERRORISTS, LIKE BIN LADIN, AND "GOOD MUSLIMS" ARE SOMETIMES PORTRAYED IN THE MEDIA AND BY RELIGIOUS FIGURES IN THEIR WRITINGS AND SERMONS AS ATTEMPTS TO DIVIDE ALL MUSLIMS BY CO-OPTING WESTERNIZED -- MEANING (TO THEM) "MORALLY CORRUPT" -- MODERATES. (NOTE: THIS REPRESENTS THE PHILOSOPHICALLY ROMANTIC VIEW THAT ISLAM PER SE ERASES ALL DIVISIONS, THAT THE MUSLIM UMMAH IS "ONE," AND THAT AN ATTACK ON ONE IS AN ATTACK ON ALL. END NOTE.)

-- IN SHARP CONTRAST TO THEIR ORDINARY EXECRABLE PUBLIC RELATIONS PERFORMANCE ON THE BIN LADEN QUESTION, THE TALIBAN HAVE PRE- EMPTED US CONSISTENTLY SINCE AUGUST, FIRST BY ANNOUNCING THEIR WILLINGNESS TO HAVE AFGHANISTAN;S SUPREME COURT EXAMINE THE CHARGES AGAINST BIN LADIN AND THEN BY ANNOUNCING THAT NO "EVIDENCE" (BY WHICH THEY MEANT HARD FACTS IN PROOF OF THE CHARGES) HAD BEEN PRESENTED. OUR RESPONSE IN EACH CASE WAS MUTED AND DELAYED. CONTINUING THIS TREND ON THE TALIBAN'S PART, EARLY IN JANUARY, THE TALIBAN SPONSORED A SEMINAR IN KABUL, REPORTED BY RADIO SHARIA, ON THE LIFE, TIMES, AND THOUGHTS OF UBL (REFTEL).

-- ACCORDING TO RECENT PRESS REPORTS, PAKISTANI TALIBS WHO HAVE SERVED IN AFGHANISTAN, ALONG WITH AFGHAN TALIBS, ARE BEGINNING TO ENFORCE THEIR DOGMAS AND SOCIAL CONTROLS IN PAKISTAN'S TRIBAL TERRITORIES AND IN SOME PLACES IN BALOCHISTAN AND NWFP PROVINCES. ALSO, LAST WEEK, THE GOP ENFORCED ISLAMIC LAW BY DECREE IN MALAKAND DIVISION AND IN A PART OF KOHISTAN. ALTHOUGH THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE RELATIVELY ISOLATED AS YET, THEY SUGGEST A DISTURBING TREND. INDEED, THE FIFTEENTH AMENDMENT TO THE PAKISTANI CONSTITUTION ESTABLISHING SHARIA AS THE SUPREME LAW OF PAKISTAN -- AN AVOWEDLY HIGH PRIORITY OF THE NAWAZ SHARIF GOVERNMENT -- HAS BEEN PASSED BY THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY AND IS PENDING BEFORE THE SENATE.

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WHAT SHOULD BE DONE?

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4. (C) WE ARE UNLIKELY EVER TO MAKE MUCH INROAD WITH UBL'S HARD-CORE SUPPORTERS BECAUSE THEY ARE TRUE-BELIEVER ABSOLUTISTS AND TEND TO THINK AND REACT LARGELY EMOTIONALLY: FACTS ARE LESS IMPORTANT TO THEM THAN EMOTIONS. THEY ARE NOT OPEN TO PERSUASION. FURTHER, WE FACE A FORMIDABLE FOE AMONG THOSE WHO ARE CHURNING OUT AND WIDELY DISSEMINATING PRO-UBL PROPAGANDA AND TAKING OTHER ACTIVE MEASURES.

5. (C) HOWEVER, WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A LARGE MIDDLE GROUND, IN PAKISTAN AND IN AFGHANISTAN, WHICH IS NOT AUTOMATICALLY ANTI- U.S./ANTI-WESTERN AND WHICH IS NOT IDEOLOGICALLY COMMITTED TO UBL AND HIS PAN- ISLAMIST REVOLUTION. THIS MIDDLE GROUND, SOMEWHAT SUSCEPTIBLE TO REASON, OR AT LEAST TO OTHER INFORMATION, SHOULD BE OUR PRIMARY TARGET. THE MESSAGE CRAFTED FOR THEM WOULD ALSO BE WELCOMED BY THE EDUCATED, WESTWARD- LOOKING ELITE OF BOTH PAKISTAN AND AFGHANISTAN WHO FEEL THREATENED BY UBL'S ADVOCACY OF VIOLENCE AND THEOLOGICAL OBSCURANTISM.

6. (C) THE FOCUS OF ANY ENHANCED USG PUBLIC DIPLOMACY EFFORT SHOULD BE TO PORTRAY UBL AND OTHERS AROUND HIM AS CRIMINALS, BOTH BY INTERNATIONAL AND BY ISLAMIC STANDARDS. WHERE POSSIBLE, RESPONSIBILITY OF THE MOVEMENT "AL-QAIDA" SHOULD BE EMPHASIZED, NOT JUST UBL AS AN INDIVIDUAL.

-- WHEN WE FOCUS ON BIN LADIN, AND ESPECIALLY FOR AFGHAN CONSUMPTION, WE SHOULD MAKE THREE POINTS: 1) THE U.S. IS NOT AGAINST AFGHANISTAN AND THE AFGHAN PEOPLE, 2) THE U.S. IS NOT AGAINST ANY PARTICULAR AFGHAN POLITICAL FACTION, AND 3) THE U.S. WANTS UBL EXPELLED FROM AFGHANISTAN TO A PLACE WHERE HE CAN BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE.

-- THE BROADER PUBLIC DIPLOMACY EFFORT COULD INCLUDE, TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, A "CHARGE SHEET" OF THE CRIMES COMMITTED BY UBL, BY HIS CLOSEST ASSOCIATES, AND BY HIS FOLLOWERS, NOTING THE FACT THAT MANY OF THEIR VICTIMS HAVE BEEN MUSLIMS OF VARIOUS NATIONALITIES.

-- RECOGNIZING THE NEED TO PROTECT SOURCES AND METHODS AND NOT TO COMPROMISE ON-GOING INVESTIGATIONS AND JUDICIAL PROCESSES, WE SHOULD BE FORTHCOMING TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THE NAIROBI AND DAR ES SALAAM BOMBINGS, AS WELL AS ABOUT UBL'S AND HIS MOVEMENT'S OTHER CRIMES.

-- THIS INTENSIFIED PUBLIC DIPLOMACY EFFORT SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE VALIDATION FROM ISLAMIC SOURCES THAT THESE CRIMES ARE INDEED RECOGNIZED AS CRIMES UNDER ISLAM. RATHER THAN STATEMENTS BY U.S.- OR UK-BASED ISLAMIC SCHOLARS, IT WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE TO USE THE TEACHINGS AND PUBLIC STATEMENTS OF MAJOR ISLAMIC SCHOLARS AND RELIGIOUS LEADERS FROM SAUDI ARABIA, EGYPT, AND ELSEWHERE. IN SELECTING/ELICITING SUCH CITATIONS, IT SHOULD BE KEPT IN MIND THAT UBL AND THE PAN- ISLAMISTS DISMISS SAUDI ARABIA AND EGYPT AS ONLY NOMINALLY ISLAMIC STATES CAPTIVE TO U.S.-TOADYING, DESPOTIC, AND APOSTATE LEADERS.

-- KEEPING IN MIND THAT IN HIS DECEMBER 23 INTERVIEW UBL JUSTIFIED KILLING MUSLIMS IN HIS JIHAD AGAINST "CRUSADERS AND JEWS," AND RECOGNIZING THE EMOTIONAL ASPECT OF OUR TARGET AUDIENCE, WE SHOULD PREPARE FOR DISSEMINATION MORE HUMAN INTEREST STORIES OF UBL'S VICTIMS, ESPECIALLY HIS MUSLIM VICTIMS OF VARIOUS NATIONALITIES. U.S. MEDIA REPORTS OF BLINDED KENYANS, FOR EXAMPLE, RECEIVED GOOD COVERAGE IN THE PAKISTANI PRINT MEDIA.

7. (7) EFFECTIVE METHODS WOULD NATURALLY INCLUDE THE TRADITIONAL USG PUBLIC DIPLOMACY TOOLS: VOA LANGUAGE SERVICES, INCLUDING INTERVIEWS WITH UBL'S MUSLIM VICTIMS; CAREFULLY TARGETED WORLDNET INTERACTIVES; WIRELESS-FILE TEXTS AND FACT SHEETS FOR TRANSLATION INTO LOCAL LANGUAGES; AND COMMISSIONED ARTICLES FOR PRESS PLACEMENT.

8. (C) CONSIDERATION COULD ALSO BE GIVEN TO PRODUCTION OF A BOOKLET IN LOCAL LANGUAGES ON THE CRIMES OF BIN LADIN AND HIS ASSOCIATES, ALONG WITH VICTIMS' STORIES, FOR NON- CONVENTIONAL DISTRIBUTION IN MOSQUES, MADRASSAS, ISLAMIC STUDY CENTERS, ISLAMIA DEPARTMENTS OF UNIVERSITIES, AND BOOKSTORES.

9. (C) A NON-USG-IDENTIFIED WEB SITE COULD ALSO BE CREATED TO POST THE ABOVE MATERIAL AND THE URL WIDELY DISTRIBUTED. ALTHOUGH THIS WOULD APPEAR TO BE COUNTER-INTUITIVE -- THAT THE MASSES DON'T USE THE INTERNET -- ALMOST ALL ISLAMIC AND ISLAMIST GROUPS DO INDEED HAVE INTERNET ACCESS AND USE IT EXTENSIVELY.

HOAGLAND

From: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/987
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 08:08 PM
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1. For some reason, a small change on point 4 could well apply
to the Tea Partyists-


4. (C) WE ARE UNLIKELY EVER TO MAKE MUCH INROAD WITH the Tea Party's HARD-CORE SUPPORTERS BECAUSE THEY ARE TRUE-BELIEVER ABSOLUTISTS AND TEND TO THINK AND REACT LARGELY EMOTIONALLY: FACTS ARE LESS IMPORTANT TO THEM THAN EMOTIONS. THEY ARE NOT OPEN TO PERSUASION. FURTHER, WE FACE A FORMIDABLE FOE AMONG THOSE WHO ARE CHURNING OUT AND WIDELY DISSEMINATING PRO-Tea party PROPAGANDA AND TAKING OTHER ACTIVE MEASURES.

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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 08:09 PM
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2. Good point!
So let's let those guys fight it out and leave the rest of us alone.
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 09:18 PM
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3. a first impression
as I digest this and other cables, is that the US guys in the field are sharp and sane, but that their messages were filtered and/or ignored by neo-con politicians.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 09:45 PM
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4. Hmm
There are two things to be said:

1.- we really do not understand the local culture

2.- Higher ups ain't listening to the people in the field.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 10:17 PM
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5. Ding ding ding we have a winner! nt
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 11:51 PM
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6. The higher ups have their own agendas
Listening to people in the field can get in the way of that.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 01:31 AM
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7. "risked proving counter-productive"
Ya don't say. :( :thumbsdown: :(
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 06:39 AM
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8. I'm thinking we can start tagging each cable by it's benefit or detrement
from being released.

I would consider this one beneficial that it's been released.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 01:27 PM
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9. LOL!!!......And GWB pays for this PR funneled thru Saudi Arabia.
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