Omar Khadr sentenced to symbolic 40 years

[CHIMO]

Source: CBC News

A U.S. military panel in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, says Canadian-born Omar Khadr should serve 40 years in prison for war crimes, a symbolic decision because a pre-trial plea deal caps his sentence at eight years.

Khadr pleaded guilty last Monday to five war crimes charges brought by the U.S. military — including killing an American soldier in Afghanistan in July 2002 when he was 15 years old — in a plea bargain.

The sentencing panel was not told about the plea deal before it deliberated nearly nine hours over two days at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay where Khadr has already served eight years in detention.

Toronto-born Khadr, 24, will have to serve one year in U.S. custody before he is eligible to apply for transfer to Canada.


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/10/31/guantanamo-khadr-sentencing.html

[thunder rising]

1. Hey, look, torturing kids works!!

[Pavulon]

9. Medics saved that little bastard

he was shot twice, had clockworks blown out of his chest and medics saved him, after he killed a medic with a grenade.

His daddy, who pimped him and his other sons was shot dead in a ditch with some other children he placed into the breach.

[CHIMO]

10. So

What does "your salad of words" mean?

[Pavulon]

27. I like the salad meme now popular. It makes an empty post seem full..

pretty fucking clear I think he should live his life out in a federal prison.

[time_has_come]

12. He was 15, a child soldier. And the US "medic" was special forces, btw...

...he wasn't running around with a stethoscope, he had a gun and was fighting.

It sickens me that this boy has spent 8 years in an American gulag and now is sentenced to 40 years by a kangaroo court that allows prosecutors to call upon a psychiatrist who informs his opinion from an expert who thinks 1400 years of "inbreeding" in Muslim culture has made them inferior to westerners.

He was 15. Should have been returned to Canada for rehabilitation, as a child.

Americans should be ashamed of this.

And although he plead guilty, consider what choice he had. The guilty plea was for a plea bargain, since he probably knew he'd never get out of jail otherwise.

So, in my opinion we will never know if this CHILD was guilty of what he was accused or not.

[provis99]

22. Child soldiers are only those 14 and under.

He wasn't even a soldier. He was an illegal combatant according to the Geneva Protocol II accords.

[time_has_come]

29. BS. Under the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child

states are required to rehabilitate and reintegrate children used in conflict, and children are defined as under 18.

[Pavulon]

31. Which state, AL Q? Canada because his parents lived there as parasites

before dumping their children into a conflict that destroyed the father and sons? When he kills more people or we have to pay the cost of splattering him with a missile remember the wasted effort.

He is not our problem and should not be the Canadians problem. You really think this fuckwit is going to go work at bob evans or for nortel?

[time_has_come]

39. The state that captured him.

Need a link for that too?

[Pavulon]

43. Good, thats a shame. He should be in rehab until he dies

in florence co.

[thunder rising]

53. Millions of soldiers have quit fighting after a war. Win or lose they've had enough.

[Pavulon]

56. He is the move to Argentina kinda guy

not the get a job at nortel and take the kids to the oilers game. His whole family has played jihad, he will play his part.

Extremists do that, he is going out with a bang.

[OnlinePoker]

34. Not according to the UN

The Optional Protocol raises the minimum age for direct participation in hostilities
to 18 years from the previous minimum age of 15 years specified in the Convention
on the Rights of the Child and other legal instruments. The treaty also
prohibits compulsory recruitment by government forces of anyone under 18 years
of age, and calls on State Parties to raise the minimum age above 15 for voluntary
recruitment, and to implement strict safeguards when voluntary recruitment of
children under 18 years is permitted. In the case of non-state armed groups, the
treaty prohibits all recruitment – voluntary and compulsory – under age 18.

http://www.unicef.org/emerg/files/option_protocol_conflict.pdf

Khadr was indoctrinated into this life from early childhood by a jihadist father. He did what he was taught to do and WAS a child soldier. Of course the U.S. even though they helped draft it can ignore the protocol because, other Somalia, it is the only nation that hasn't ratified it.

[time_has_come]

54. I think the ignorance here is arising from wikipedia...

...if they only read the first sentence they stop and run back here claiming child soldiers are under 14.

They don't get to the part about the Optional Protocol, which the USA ratified.

[thunder rising]

50. define "illegal combatant" ... be careful cause even the kangaroo courts have not done so.

[erikdane]

63. Please

Can you provide a link to to where in the Geneva Protocol II the term "illegal combatant" appears? (Hint, it's not there)

[Pavulon]

65. Post the section of the GC that covers him.

trust me he got a break.

[Pavulon]

23. He should have been left for the birds

and I bet my left pinki that his life will end with him dying during or because he is violent again.

Feel free to post your source on you bullshit inbreeding or if speer was armed.

I am ashamed he will not die in federal custody in Florence Colorado.

[time_has_come]

30. He's headed to a relatively sane country, where he will be reintegrated.

And if you're too lazy to read the news, or google it, then remain ignorant. No sweat off my nose. The danish expert who contributed to the prosecution psychiatrists understanding of Muslims was mentioned in multiple stories. Have you been following this at all?

That kid was 13 when he was sent to a training camp. I bet when you were 13 forceful parents immersing you in an extreme ideology and military training would have just run off your back like water off a duck. No, probably not.

As for your medic being armed, what kind of idiot would think a special forces member would not be armed. Are you f'n kidding me? Your outrage has sapped your reason.

Khadr deserves an apology. He is a victim in this, without a single doubt.

[Pavulon]

35. Links are used here. You are not in church. If you post a fact

you should be prepared to link it or take it down. You stated the man killed was armed, back that up, admit you made it up, or take it down. Thats what adults do.

I dont fucking care if he is a muslim or a mormon, he is an asshole who went to play jihad and participated in violence.

As for OPINION i have one, and dont need a link for that.

Khadr will get what coming to him eventually. You think this asshole will be handing out coffee at bob evans, please?

He deserves to be able to beat his dad's ass for putting him in the middle of that mess. But he died in a ditch in pakistan, just like this asshole will eventually.

Yemen, pakistan, wherever he plans to play jihad next time around tax payers dollars will stamp him. To bad the two 556 ball rounds were high left, better luck next time.

[time_has_come]

38. Yeah, ok. You need a link to demonstrate Special Forces in Afghanistan are armed.

I'll go get that for ya right now. :eyes:

Khadr will walk free in Canada in just a few short years. I hope that gives you an ulcer.

[Pavulon]

42. I never saw an armed medic.

I never met any special forces guys so not sure if they did. However medics wearing the RED CROSS were not armed in the regular army.

Feel free to post an account otherwise from experience or fact.

[mbperrin]

45. Here.

[Pavulon]

48. Live and learn. NG medics had Red Crosses designating them Medical

dont see one there, but have been out of the Army a very long time.

[time_has_come]

57. Yeah, you got a lot of learning to do. The idea that SF medics wouldn't be armed

is ludicrous.

Now go learn up on what a child soldier is, and don't skimp on your mea culpa there either.

Go read post 22 if it's to much trouble to find out for yourself.

[Pavulon]

60. Still not a link that the man he killed was armed. And you did dick, coasted on another post

so here is the deal partner. There is no way this poon is going to work at nortel and cheer for the oilers. He is now your problem.

As stated earlier to bad he did not get left in the field to become bird shit.

Like I said with MY fucking eyes I never saw a man wearing a red cross with a weapon, ever.

[time_has_come]

68. what is with this "nortel" thing you're hung up on?

Here's a newsflash for you, I don't really care if that medic was armed or not. It means nothing, understand?

So, sally forth on your red herring parade, I'm done with it. Gloat now, as you will, that I didn't give you a link. I concede...Special Forces medics are most probably wholly unarmed. Victory is yours in that regard.

Now, you provide a link, if you can, that demonstrates your contention that Khadr was saved by US medics out of compassion and goodness and not a desire to interrogate him.
Of course, you can't. And of course, he was interrogated.

So quit slinging your "he was saved by US medics" bulls#$t like we should all bow down to the unselfish actions of those medics...like they weren't saving him with a purpose...and like hundreds of injured Afghanistans and Iraqis haven't been shot like dogs by US soldiers.

Now, with all that silliness out of the way we're left with one fact: Khadr was a child soldier under the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

Learn it, live it, love it.

[Pavulon]

72. Here is one more, he is not done.

he will go out with a bang, hopefully one we make, not one he brings to us.

He is Waffen SS to me, he should be treated accordingly.

[time_has_come]

77. Whatever

And your unarmed medics saved him because they just have good bubble gum hearts.

I don't care how tough and unwavering you are towards 13 year olds.

Khadr will be free in less than 4 years. God Bless the little fella, I wish him well.

He deserves it.

[Pavulon]

79. Deserve has nothing to do with it.

like I said my money is on him ending up like the rest of the men in his family.

[time_has_come]

87. your money's no good.

[Pavulon]

88. Just remember the conversation

he is going out with a bang.

[time_has_come]

90. If he does it will be the fault of the USA for treating a child soldier like it did

one that was recruited at 13

Shameful. The consequences will belong to the USA alone.

[Pavulon]

96. NO it will be the CSIS fault for making him cry..

it will be his own fault.

[24601]

32. And if he was a 15-year old visiting the US, listening to his fanatical

dad, and killing an abortion Doctor for God? Back to Canada for rehab he goes!

[thunder rising]

46. Would you have thrown the grenade? I would have.

[Pavulon]

55. Would you have saved a guy who killed your ALQ buddies, or sawed his head off on liveleak

would you leave canada to go fight a war you had no stake in?

Like I said, he is going out with a bang somewhere.

[thunder rising]

75. Oh we've got your point. I have no idea of the situation. What I would have done is hard to say.

My job was Nike Herc (mutual nuclear destruction), so I never got a chance to fire my weapons in anger. Life's tough.

[Pavulon]

82. Me either Combat Engineer

NC National Guard. The guys who participated in it has no positive reflections on the event. Glad that I missed the first GW and the current ME events.

KFOR was quiet by the time we made it over.

[time_has_come]

73. Yeah, they altruisticly saved him. and then he was tortured.

See the connection?

Don't be naive. You think he would have been "saved" if the special forces on the ground didn't think he could be milked for some useful info?

Please.

[Pavulon]

83. Torture, lets see some evidence. CSIS torture or us evil americans?

back it up with a link. not truthout or some shit, real media, CBC would work.

[time_has_come]

93. u so lazy

http://www.canada.com/reginaleaderpost/news/story.html?id=7cfb8aa4-796a-407c-b121-225c3373dae2

Got to educate you on international law about child soldiers, feed you common sense about Special Forces, and now this.

Next?

[Pavulon]

97. Did the CSIS guys who made him cry get in trouble?(nt)

[dipsydoodle]

2. So just one more year in the U.S. detention facility in Cuba

Cuba would probably let him stay a while after that if he wanted to stay. The actual town of Guantanamo is said to be one of the most beautiful on the whole island - even better than Trinidad. Its now said to be seperated from Gitmo by a minefield although if true I'm not sure who laid it. The lookout tower for tourists on the Cuban side is also now off limits.

[CHIMO]

3. At The Moment

It means that the US will have to keep the Guantanamo prison open for eight more years.

[dipsydoodle]

4. Not in this connection

Time served is being deducted from the sentence.

Aside from that :

On January 22, 2009, President Obama signed executive orders directing the CIA to shut what remains of its network of "secret" prisons and ordering the closing of the Guantánamo detention camp within a year.<13> However he postponed for at least six months difficult decisions on the details.<14> As of October 2010, Obama has yet to close the detention camp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base

Change you can believe in especially if you're totally daft in the head.

[CHIMO]

5. Where Is

That stated in the judgment?

Read through your reference and didn't see anything supporting your assertion.

From my perspective Canada has shoved a finger into Clinton's eye.

[dipsydoodle]

17. Its by deduction

The US had already accepted the 9 plea bargain deal. 9 - 8 years served in detention = 1 year remaining.

The 40 year sentence was pure and simple vindictiveness. Anything poked in Clinton's eye would be welcome - split suger cane comes to mind.

:hi:

ps - if you're ever there and they give you cane to stir coffee then suck the cane by all means but do not chew and swallow it.

[sabrina 1]

6. What a disgrace and travesty of justice. His country is invaded

when he is a child. Has anyone been convicted of the murders of his countrymen, women and children?

This makes me sick. He has been tortured barbarically, as a wounded child. I guess he'd say anything to stop the nightmare he has lived since his country was invaded by war criminals and terrorists.

Shame on America! Another stain on this country's record.

[Pavulon]

8. Actually that turd is from canada. He went to afganistan to play jihad

and killed a MEDIC. He was shot in the process and was saved by us medics, after killing and injuring Americans.

Regretfully he was not killed in the fight as the us government has spent millions as has canada dealing with him, far greater than any valuable information he provided.

His father who pimped him and his other children was shot dead playing jihad as well.

[sabrina 1]

11. I am very glad that people with your beliefs were not around

when the world decided to pass laws demanding the humane treatment of all human beings. At least they are there to remind us how easy it is for evil to prevail when people discard their morality.

Some of those laws relate to child soldiers and they are very clear.

This travesty of a trial violated all those laws, not to mention the torture this child soldier was subjected to while injured.

If you are a supporter of cruelty, revenge and torture, especially against minors, then you are not in a position to criticize anyone else. That is the difference between a strong, ethical society and a rogue society.

This farce of a trial has moved this society closer to being a rogue society. To take revenge on a child in violation of all the laws we claim to uphold, to not address the crimes that were committed against this child soldier, makes a mockery of our judicial system and our hypocritical claims that we respect the rule of law.

This is what George Bush brought to the U.S. and what we voted against two years ago.

[provis99]

20. He was 15. He was therefore not a child soldier; you must be 14 or under.

Actually, according to the Geneva Convention Additional Protocol II of 1977, Khadr was an illegal combatant, and could have been summarily executed. He has been treated well beyond international law requirements simply by being allowed to remain alive.

[time_has_come]

61. According to the UN convention signed by the USA a child soldier is under 18, not 14

Go read post 22.

And I'll tell you some common sense I tried to share with someone else here....if you were right about 14 and under being the required age for child soldier (and you are most certainly not) then don't you think the US prosecution would have used that one instead of just pushing the idea that he was out of uniform/not fighting for a state?

That is some obvious shit right there.

If you're reading some UN Convention that says that over 14 is not a child soldier then try harder. There was a change made to it about 10 years ago, and the USA ratified it.

[Pavulon]

24. His daddy killed him when he brought him there. Put him on the altar and used us

as the axe. Fuck him, I would bet money he will die blowing himself up or being blown up by us in the not to distant future.

He is not a child, and was not when he KILLED A MEDIC.

I am in a perfectly grand position to criticize his release rather than transferal to federal prison or return to Afghanistan to be disposed of there by their government.

[time_has_come]

13. What do you know about it?

Nothing.

You shout the word MEDIC, even though that's just a ploy to inspire sympathy for the special forces soldier killed.

First, he's on a battlefield. Since when is being killed in battle murder?

Second, Khadr was a child soldier under international law. Period.

What the US has done here is indefensible. It's beyond shameful.

Your use of the word "pimped" is interesting. If a 15 year old girl is caught selling her body, under the direction of an adult guardian, I suppose you'd support her going to jail? No?

This is all just part and parcel of the mass terrorism hysteria and anti-Muslim sentiment that has afflicted reason and sanity in the US.

[wmbrew0206]

19. If a 15 year old can drive a car in the US and can be held responsible for their actions

behind the wheel, why can't a 15 year old be held responsible for his actions on a battlefield?

Trust me, I know a lot about how this guy was raised and what his family did to him. Do they bear some responsibility? Yes. However, this guy has to be held responsibly for killing a US SF medic. He could have surrendered, but he did not.

Having an issue with the process that handed down this sentence is natural. I don't like it at all, but that does not absolve this guy for what he did.

[time_has_come]

33. Well, that's all your opinion. What we're left with is once again, a country...

..the USA, which signs and ratifies international law and then flaunts it over and over and over.

the USA is no longer a moral authority in any way, shape, or form. It is fast becoming a despotic, wholly self-interested and dishonest force in the world with no credibility or respect from any other nation, and this whole affair has added greatly to that new persona.

This boy was 13 when recruited. Don't tell me "he could have surrendered" therefore he deserves the treatment he got.

He was young and brainwashed and deserved to be treated like the victim he was and is again today.

[Pavulon]

37. Morality has never been a factor. It was not a factor in burning tokyo down

it is not relevant or applicable in a global conflict, now or in 1945.

Respect is paid in rap videos, not in global conflict. Reality is the US is the better option of powerful nations.

But hey if he was in Chinese custody this discussion would have ended when his brains were blown out exactly after he stopped being useful to them.

You fuck america people always forget who is coming next, and you will miss it when its gone.

He became a man when he threw a grenade in a conflict he volunteered for.

He deserved to be left to die and become bird shit.

But while spouting bullshit about morality and respect you FAIL to address the fact that US medics saved him from fatal injuries given the opportunity to allow him to die.

He will get what he deserves, he will kill himself in a violent act or we will him when he goes back to playing jihad.

You think he is going to go to work for nortel? Think again.

[wmbrew0206]

115. Trust me, surrender is always an option when there are a lot of men with guns

about to come right at you. It is part of the psychological fight or flight response all humans have and will think about before a fire fight. No amount of brainwashing can overcome having that thought.

You want to treat this guy as a victim, how would you do that? He would have to be locked up for a long time just to de-program him, so how would you handle that?

[Pavulon]

25. I dont give a fuck about what voodoo he prays.

muslim or mormon, could care less what brand he smokes. His dad should have just shot him in the temple and saved us all the expense of healing and detaining that piece of shit. You are aware daddy died face down in a ditch with his other sons, shot dead by Pakistanis. Most pakistanis I have met are muslims.

He was not a legal combatant so he gets no GC protection as one. Actually he was not a child soldier and should die in federal custody.

[time_has_come]

36. Actually, he was a child soldier.

Under the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which the US ratified, he is a child soldier and states are required to psychologically rehabilitate them.
But outrage and hard posturing is so much easier.
Your moral outrage is touching. Your upset over the US soldiers death. That SF (that's SPECIAL FORCES, you understand. Yes, they carry weapons) medic died in battle.

That's the way it goes. He went over, knew the risks, and paid the price. What kind of world do we live in now...any American soldier that gets killed in battle is "murdered," but anyone an American kills is a terrorist or an innocent, unfortunate collateral casualty that we should all just get over?

You're so mad over this US soldiers death. Got any outrage left for the 200,000+ civilian death count in Iraq?

I for one will shake Khadr's hand and apologize for the re-victimization the USA inflicted upon him if I ever meet him, which I may since he will be walking the streets of Canada in less than four years.

And his guilty plea, which he obviously would have had little choice but to do or be assured a lifetime in jail by a blind, nutcase US military justice system, means nothing in my opinion.

[Pavulon]

40. Good, be sure to tell him you are a Jew.

quote from the Torah, then wipe the spit off your face, or maybe you will end up like that nice danish cartoonist.

You are fucking insane if you think this guy is going to go work at nortel and oilers games. Hopefully he does not kill again before his ticket gets stamped, not far from the tree did he fall.

[time_has_come]

47. You think you're so tough and razor sharp

condemning 13 year old recruits.

I bet you'd like to line up every 13 year old kid that was ever pushed into armed conflict and shoot them yourself, hey toughy?

And it's so funny how you pit the religions against one another. Just stoking the hate, aren't we?

You know nothing about Khadr, so why not stop pretending you do. Stop believing things just because you want to believe them.

Khadr will have his life back, but will the USA ever get it's soul back? We'll see, I suppose.

[Pavulon]

51. Like I said , if you meet him, be sure to say you are a Jew from Israel.

Only conflict I saw the US was stopping the killings of muslims in the remnants of Yugoslavia.

I would bet my bottom dollar he goes out with a bang somewhere. Hey maybe he will retire a sales director at nortel, right?

[thunder rising]

41. We certainly live in 2 different Americas (vet here)

[Pavulon]

44. Not saying people aren't anti muslim, I am saying I AM NOT

and it should not matter anyway to a court proceeding. If the GC allows us to detain him forever or hang him, we should. Let him croak in kansas. I never saw an armed medic, national guard medics were not issued weapons.

I never met a ranger or other medic so have no idea what they did. This guy met the legal requirements to be imprisoned for a long time and should have been.

The bigger point here is this guy is going to be a problem in the future. I bet he goes out with a bang somewhere.

[thunder rising]

64. Wrong about "legal requirements". That's why the deal was made. Just so we didn't have to face facts

The last surviving enemy in a battle generally doesn't have many witnesses in his favor.

[Pavulon]

67. His battle is not over, bet on it.

he will end up in the mud somewhere or covering the walls of someplace full of nice people who were enjoying their day before he showed up.

[time_has_come]

70. blah blah blah

You're just making noise now.

You know nothing about Khadr, nothing about UN Conventions, and nothing about much else from what you've provided here.

All you can do is stamp your feet, whine that Khadr wasn't killed instead of stitched up so he could be tortured, and predict that he won't work at nortel or cheer for the Oilers. A bizarre rant if there ever was one.

[Pavulon]

74. Remember, if you meet him your'e a Jew, from Haifa

just remember, when it happens, you heard it here first.

[time_has_come]

89. Keep pushing those religious divisions

fear fear fear. terra terra terra.

Each and very person fighting the USA is a head chopper!

And fighting the USA = an undeniable urge to kill Jews. And work at nortel.

I'll buy the man a beer at an Edmonton Oilers game and apologize for the shameful behavior of the USA. That's how that will play out. You heard it here first.

[Pavulon]

95. Al-Q they are friends of Israel. Sorry I forgot..

just BE SURE to tell him you are a jew from Israel. If you tape his response I will donate $1000 to a charity of your choice.

Nortel will be bankrupt by the time he gets out, it was just an absurd job for him. Maybe bob evans or loblaws.

[laundry_queen]

100. Familiar refrain.

I agree, fear 'n terra all over the place.

[Pavulon]

102. Vs what exactly? How do you see this playing out?

he is going to get a nice job, a summer house, book deal, and talk to oprah?

Please elaborate.

[laundry_queen]

106. So, what I'm hearing you say

is kill him before he gets us? Is that what you are saying?

[Pavulon]

108. That chance was lost in Afganistan.

I say jail him until he dies. That will never happen, to complicated on paper. Any bets on who he will take out in his final act?

he will for sure end up in little chunks, just a matter of who dies in the process. It runs in the family.

[laundry_queen]

110. Wow, lotsa fear.

I bet you can't wait to say "I told you so"

[Pavulon]

111. So AGAIN, how will this play out?

will he return home to canada to become a productive member of society? or have his back fighting infadels asap.

And yep, I will not feel to bad when he ends up splattered all over yemen or some other shithole playing jihad.

If he manages to kill civilians while playing jihad I would be bothered.

Fear has nothing to do with it. Why do you think these guys are still getting blown up now? Obama just like bush? or maybe they really are a problem.

But fuck it, after Munich, there was no reason to beef up security at the Olympics?

[time_has_come]

116. How will it play out?

You'll look in the mirror, pat yourself on the back, and say "Hey pal, we're right again!"

Everything is known to you. It's all received information. A poor mindset.

[thunder rising]

59. Hmmm, at 13 I doubt he bought that ticket.

[Pavulon]

62. 15 when he got his life saved by the same guys he blew up..

no his dad killed him, it just hasn't taken effect yet. Give him time, he will make his mark.

[thunder rising]

66. Yet again, I'll ask, would you have pulled that pin? I'm sure I would have; or

at least I would like the think I would have.

[Pavulon]

69. You asking if I was him? Like asking if I would saw a jewish reporters head off on liveleak

hard for me to get into their head. The real question is would you have saved this piece of shit with a sucking chest wound or just left him?

Hey if you had a kid would you leave a dog I specifically bite trained using live kids in your house alone with them?

He is not done, bet on it?

[time_has_come]

71. Yeah, you would have thrown the grenade.

And you would have saved him, because that was the order given. They wanted to "question" (read, torture) him.

Need live specimens for torture, no?

[Pavulon]

78. I guess someone has to pull for the guys who pulled of Munich

you have no evidence he was tortured by the US or Canadian government. To me he is SS and can die in prison.

[thunder rising]

76. In a battle as the last survivor of your crew ... would you pull the pin or beg mercy?

If you would have done the same thing, then get off the guy case.

[Pavulon]

80. Look at his picture from the scene. He had no injuries from a grenade

he was shot twice in the upper chest. That is not how this happened. And yes, if I was going to captured by people who would saw my head off on liveleak I would kill myself and anyone who asked me to kill them. Not what happened here.

[thunder rising]

81. I'm not saying suicide ... kill the enemy or beg mercy? Which one?

[Pavulon]

84. Well what did SS do? I know what they got from US, same with Japanese

I refuse to empathize with him in any manner. He should have been left there for the local medical resources to handle.

He should be treated the same as any soldier or marine would have gotten from him. Or put on a uniform.

[thunder rising]

85. Are we using the generic versions of those meds? Answer the question.

That is exactly the defense used in real life. Would you have done the same thing?

[Pavulon]

86. Agian, refuse to empathise with him.

however the report of an officer ordering he be shot right there on the spot seemed reasonable in hindsight.

[thunder rising]

92. This is not about empathy nor sympathy; it's about justice. Answer the question.

[laundry_queen]

94. He won't answer.

He would've done the same thing. But it would be okay because he's a USAmerican. It's not okay for the brown people to defend themselves.

[Pavulon]

98. Oh, snap a brown people comment. 10 points.

I just wish I was black so I could mock it more. I would have knowing mout (or whatever it is called now) kills good guys at a high rate designated his happy little home with a laser and waited for a 500lb bomb.

If you were the pakastani who shot his dad, would you feel bad because you are brown too, or feel ok because they were blowing up other muslims much faster than we were (and are).

[laundry_queen]

103. LOL, typical comeback.

And yes, I do believe there is an element of racism these kind of cases. Besides, I feel bad whenever anyone dies because of war. Even if I were Pakistani.
Glad you enjoy mocking people.
Thanks for the 10 pts.

[Pavulon]

105. He died because he made a choice, pakistanis killed him

because he was killing people randomly in their country trying to take down their government. That is not a war by the way. That is criminal and he died a proper death for what he was.

His personal voodoo not his skin color is why he will eventually end up splattering himself somewhere or being splattered by us.

Very simple, he is not going to canada to live a happy normal life.

[Pavulon]

101. Justice would have been leaving him there..

the resultant mess is not justice. Sure I were a terrorist al qaeda canadian fighting in a country other than my home state I guess the logical thing to do is kill as many americans as possible.

Just like he set bombs that killed afganis. It would be awesome if canada deported his ass back there to be punished for randomly killing people there.

Bet he would beg to head back to gbay. I think the saudi's still chop heads for that.

[EFerrari]

7. What a disgusting farce. n/t

[Incognitus Czar]

14. lol

what the hell is a canadian kid doing in Afghanistan in the first place?

kids these days sure do stupid things...

[time_has_come]

15. Well, before Bush decided to wage war on Afghanistan...and Iraq...

...and killed 100s of thousands of innocents...well, you get the idea.

Bush succeeded in enraging and radicalizing a lot of people.

It's like that guy who just beat an old priest who molested him decades ago within an inch of his life. What the hell is he doing beating up some old guy in an old folks home? Well, when you know the whole story.

I'm quite sure there are other Canadians over there, and Brits, and Americans, and from all over the world enraged at the brutal injustice these two Bush wars have inflicted on innocent people living in these countries. American and it's allies will be paying for what Bush has done for a very long time I suspect.

[maddezmom]

16. Al-Qaida 'child soldier' sentenced to eight years in custody

Omar Khadr who was captured at the age of 15 had pleaded guilty to five war crimes including murder

Monday 1 November 2010 06.57 GMT Article history

A former teenage al-Qaida fighter has been sentenced to eight more years in custody under the terms of a plea agreement which was unsealed after a military sentencing jury said he should serve 40 years for war crimes.

Omar Khadr looked straight ahead as a military judge imposed the eight-year sentence, ending a legal case that began when the Canadian son of a major al-Qaida figure was captured at the age of 15 with severe wounds in Afghanistan in 2002 after a four-hour gun battle.

Khadr pleaded guilty on 25 October to five war crimes including murder for throwing a grenade that killed an American special forces doctor, Sergeant 1st Class Christopher Speer. Military prosecutors said it was no routine battlefield killing because the Canadian was not a legitimate soldier, but an al-Qaida fighter.

Speer's widow, Tabitha cheered when the jury announced its 40-year sentence.

more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/01/child-soldier-alqaida-guantanamo-bay-canada

[provis99]

21. He was not a child soldier. Child soldiers are those 14 and under.

He's lucky the American army didn't summarily execute him.

[laundry_queen]

26. It's funny

that Americans who think 18 year olds are not responsible enough to have a glass of wine, are okay with executing 15 year olds that have followed their parents to another country and did what their parents told them to do.
And I'm certain that if a country invaded the US you would be moral enough to never kill that country's medics. Even if they are in uniform and holding a gun.
:eyes:

[Pavulon]

28. We invaded canada? Missed that story

our medics saved his ass by the way. Which in hindsight seems to be a pretty useless investment of time and energy.

[mbperrin]

52. Here.

Invasions of Upper and Lower Canada, 1812
American leaders assumed that Canada could be easily overrun. Former President Jefferson optimistically referred to the conquest of Canada as "a matter of marching." Many Loyalist Americans had migrated to Upper Canada after the Revolutionary War, and the US assumed they would favor the American cause, but they did not. In prewar Upper Canada, General Prevost was in the unusual position of having to purchase many provisions for his troops from the American side. This peculiar trade persisted throughout the war in spite of an abortive attempt by the US government to curtail it. In Lower Canada, which was much more populous, support for Britain came from the English elite with strong loyalty to the Empire, and from the French elite, who feared American conquest would destroy the old order by introducing Protestantism, Anglicization, republican democracy, and commercial capitalism; and weakening the Catholic Church. The French inhabitants feared the loss of a shrinking area of good lands to potential American immigrants.<70>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812#Invasions_of_Upper_and_Lower_Canada.2C_1812

[Pavulon]

58. Guess he was fighting an old grudge.. (nt)

[laundry_queen]

91. Yeah.

Because in black-and-white world, we all know that one cannot feel loyal to 2 countries. :silly:

[Pavulon]

99. His loyalty is to a extreme brand of voodoo

not a country.

[laundry_queen]

104. You don't know that.

AT 15 years of age it's more like brainwashing anyway.

[Pavulon]

107. Read his bio, he is a fanatic, and became more of one in Gbay

so he will die (or kill) like one when the opportunity persists. His whole family died 'martyr' on the altar of stupidity.

But hey, how do you see him turning out? Bet he will show up on The View, selling a book?

[laundry_queen]

109. As I said upthread, what is your solution?

First, is it any wonder he became more radicalized in Gbay?? Why do you think people have been calling for it to close for so long. Second, he did not deserve the treatment he got. And just because the treatment made him worse is not an excuse to continue the incarceration. If he has served his sentence, then you cannot hold him because of what he might do.

[Pavulon]

112. So turn him over to the Afghanis or Pakistanis for blowing up their people

can and should are very different. That will not happen Someone could walk in and dose him 5 minutes from now. That will not happen.

My solution is to watch and wait, next time kill him stone dead. He will be back to the game, its a family tradition with him.

[time_has_come]

49. I don't know where this bad information is coming from...what makes you say

child soldiers are 14 and under?

The UN Convention clearly says otherwise.

[Solly Mack]

18. K&R

[CHIMO]

113. ROMEO DALLAIRE

Of all the horrifying images that come out of conflict zones around the world, there are few more disturbing than that of a small child wielding a machete or a machine gun, fighting in a war that he -- or she -- could not possibly understand. There are believed to be more than a quarter of a million child soldiers in action today.

Those children -- and the means to end the abuse that puts them on the battlefield -- have become the passion of Roméo Dallaire. The former commanding officer of the United Nations forces during the 1993 Rwandan genocide won the Governor-General's Literary award for the account of his experience in Rwanda, called Shake Hands with the Devil.

Now, Senator Dallaire has a new book: They Fight Like Soldiers, They Die Like Children, about the plight of child soldiers, and his efforts to eradicate their exploitation in conflict zones around the world.

For the interview select the second "Listen to Part Two"
http://www.cbc.ca/asithappens/episode/2010/11/01/monday-november-1-2010/

[Blue_Tires]

114. U.S. prosecutors can hold a teenager for eight years and sentence him to another eight

But their conviction rate for the Blackwater boys and other mercs is right around ZERO POINT FUCKIN' ZERO...

I just hope the folks in this thread who want this kid put under the jail just because he was playing for the other team remember that...