Tennessee Republican floats secession threat

[RamboLiberal]

Source: CNN

Texas Gov. Rick Perry's suggestion in April 2009 that his state might consider secession drew a round of mockery nationwide, but his blustery populist rhetoric earned him serious traction among GOP primary voters in his re-election fight against Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison.

Perry, riding a tide of anti-Washington sentiment, went on to trounce Hutchison and another candidate in the Republican primary earlier this year.

Now another gubernatorial hopeful is test-driving a similar message.

Rep. Zach Wamp, one of three candidates seeking the GOP gubernatorial nomination in Tennessee, told Hotline OnCall that Perry had the right idea. Wamp argued that mandates forced on the states by the Obama administration's health care bill have put secession on the table.

"I hope that the American people will go to the ballot box in 2010 and 2012 so that states are not forced to consider separation from this government," Wamp told Hotline OnCall Friday.


Read more: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/?fbid=I9cfjl3ww6W

[IndianaGreen]

1. Good bye, don't let the door hit you in the ass!

Let Jesusland go!

[Joe Bacon]

64. Alan Jay Lerner wrote it best!

Eliza (singing):
What a fool I was, what dominated fool,
to think that you were the earth and the sky,
What a fool I was, What an elevated fool,
What a mutton-headed dote was I!
No, my reverberated friend,
you are not the beginning and the end.

Professor Higgins (speaking):
You impetant hussy there's not an idea in your head or a word in your mouth that I haven't put there.

Eliza (singing):
There'll be spring every year without you. England still will be here without you.
There'll be fruit on the tree.
And a shore by the sea.
There'll be crumpets and tea without you.

Art and music will thrive without you.
Somehow Keats will survive without you.
And there still will be rain on that plain down in Spain,
even that will remain without you.
I can do without you.

You, dear friend, who taught so well,
You can go to Hartford, Hereford and Hampshire.

They can still rule with land without you.
Windsor Castle will stand without you.
And without much ado we can all muddle through without you.

Professor Higgins:
You brazen hussy,

Eliza (singing):
Wihtout pulling it the tide comes in,
without your twirling it the Earth can spin,
Without your pulling it, the tide comes in
Without your twirling it, the earth can spin
Without your pushing them, the clouds roll by,
If they can do without you, ducky, so can I
I shall not feel alone without you
I can stand on my own without you
So go back in your shell
I can do bloody well
Without...

Professor Higging (singing) interupts:
By George, I really did it,
I did it, I did it,
I said I'd make a woman and indeed I did,
I knew that I could do it,
I knew it, I knew it,
I said I'd make a woman and succeed I did!

(speaking)
Eliza you are wonderful

[Proud Liberal Dem]

2. How very "Jefferson Davis" of him.

So, if they don't get what they want, they'll just secede? I wonder how well that would actually go over with the vast majority of the public in Tennessee and Texas?

:eyes:

[AC_Mem]

41. Memphis here...

Dear Lord these people are IDIOTS. They are also voting, the early voting lines are very long. Democrats need to get out and VOTE. PLEASE do not take this election for granted, every vote is needed.

[Justitia]

55. Houston here.....

Perry is an embarrassing ass. He has never won the majority of the vote in TX (Gov only needs plurality).

Bill White, the former mayor of Houston, has an excellent chance of ridding us of Guv Dummy Goodhair this fall.

Not to mention, all our major cities are BLUE.

[BreweryYardRat]

68. The vast majority of the public would drag these assholes out of their state capitols and lynch them

Because the vast majority of the public would really prefer not to be caught up in a war zone.

(What, like the government's just going to let them go? That's didn't happen in the 1860s, it won't happen now.)

[opihimoimoi]

3. They wanna drop out??? are they nuts?? become a seperate Nation? no American Taxes?

Who will be their president, their administration?

will they issue stamps, pass ports?

will they have a navy, airforce, coast guard?

What about ntheir legal penal systems?

their monies?? would it be acceptable...coinage too?

These fuckers can do it but can I see success?

Odds too low

[IntravenousDemilo]

33. Plus...

... they'd feel a little sheepish once they found out that the US wouldn't let any Tennessean goods or people pass through their borders or allow Tennessean planes to fly over US airspace, and that North Korea and Iran were the only countries to recognize their new country.

[Alcibiades]

40. Plus, they all get more federal money than they put in.

Tennessee gets $1.27 back for every dollar they pay. The only reliably red state that pays even a little more than it gets back is Texas, which, as noted elsewhere in this thread, is changing, as is North Carolina.

The blue states would swim: the red states would sink.

[No Elephants]

58. Were it not for so many good to great Southern Democrats (Carter, Gore, etc.), I'd

start referring to the Civil War as Lincoln's Folly, much as purchase of Alaska was originally referred to as "Seward's Folly."

Bigger is not always better. Less is more. Etc.

[24601]

72. Oops - better fix the maps - DC ain't no state n/t

[SoCalNative]

4. Good

Let the whole south secede. We won't miss you.

And take the flyover states with you too.

[Tx4obama]

20. We really should not stereotype 'whole' states.

We the people here in the south that did not vote for those nuts jobs are embarrassed by them.
And don't forget Texas is on its way of becoming a BLUE state.
Over 3.5 MILLION Texans voted for Obama in 2008.
Obama won all the major big cities/counties here in Texas (Dallas, Houston, Austin, El Paso, San Antonio, etc) -- the ONLY major city McCain won was Ft. Worth and Plano.

I truly wish people would stop the South bashing ;)

[TxVietVet]

30. Take it in stride.

The reality of it is this: the conservanazi teabaggin' kkkluckers like to make rash statements like "secede". The real reality of it is that these idiots who believe that crap can't counter the argument that they couldn't afford to secede. ESPECIALLY TEXAS...... like where's the money to replace Ft. Hood, Ft. Sam, Ft. Bliss, Randolf, Kelly and Lackland AFB. Any state that would secede couldn't afford to defend it's own borders. Of course, the conservanazi teabaggin' kkkluckers can't figure it out.

I tell my idiot relatives that proclaim "secede" to push their conservanazi republiklan politicians to keep pushing the issue. Makes 'em look dumber every time they bring it up.

It's the old "states' rights" thing. They can't seem to remember who lost that war. :think:

[BolivarianHero]

69. The right is dying in Texas..

Over 60% of children are Hispanic or African-American. The Racist Loon Party has no future.

[superconnected]

76. Having GW come from Texas has pretty killed Texas' rep.

But I hope as you say, it's becoming a blue state.

[backwoodsbob]

35. take the flyover states with you?

wow..that's rich from the state that passed prop h8

[proteus_lives]

42. Flyover states?

This Hoosier has a response to that.

Fuck you and fuck California.

[No Elephants]

59. Fuck California? For one post by one poster? Overreact much?

try winning a Presidential w/o California's slectoral votes.

[backwoodsbob]

67. so take the flyover states with you is ok by you

I'll remember that the next time Cali asks for tens of billions in bailout money

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

77. The RW idiocy of the Tennessee Republican in the OP doesn't seem to bother you.

But the post you replied to does.

Not surprising, really.

[BootinUp]

5. What are they going to try next?

I mean what's left that is wackier than secession?

[No Elephants]

60. Oooh! Oooh! I know. Call on me. Call on me.

Dinosaurs walking the Earth during Biblical times.

(Will this be on the exam?)

[DisgustipatedinCA]

6. just another extra-judicial republican

Winning in a fair election is a nice idea to Republicans, but not strictly necessary.

Sharron Angle: I hope people vote for me so we don't have to murder Harry Reid with a gun.
Zach Wamp: I hope people vote for me so we don't have to secede from the union, leaving us literally surrounded by the world's largest military, and country music as our chief export (but that's beside the point).

[awoke_in_2003]

28. You forgot Jack Daniels. nt

[bluestateguy]

7. I'm assuming they won't be wanting that socialist TVA anymore

Because other counties in other states would like to participate if Tennessee wishes to leave the union.

[rurallib]

19. my first thought also.

[donco6]

8. There is no extreme too great for a Teabagger.

The whackier the better. They are dangerous.

[hobbit709]

9. Too dumb to learn what happened in 1865.

[TNDemo]

15. Well, it worked in 1776

so they gave it a shot...

[No Elephants]

61. Are you referring to Perry and Wamp, or to anyone who tries to stop them?

(Sorry, Southern Democrats. I loves ya like kin. I just couldn't resist.)

[panzerfaust]

63. The Civil War/The War Between the States/The War of Northern Aggression

(as it is called by various groups) was a mistake. America should have let the Confederacy go.

The only good to come from it was Abolition, and slavery would have, eventually, collapsed on its own.

Unclear how The Great Nation of Tennessee would compete in the world economy - but it would be interesting to watch.

I wonder which states would join the new confederacy: Texas (doubtful, in spite of our idiot governor's statement), Florida (most unlikely), Virginia or the Carolinas (don't see that), perhaps Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas would seem the most likely - but they all have such large black populations that it is difficult to believe that those blacks would sign themselves up to live in an even more racist society than they do now?

[Joe Bacon]

10. Please go ahead and leave

We're better off without you. Leave and take your debt with you!

[New Dawn]

56. +1

[BumRushDaShow]

11. Treason and sedition. n/t

[truthisfreedom]

26. I hope the FBI investigates him. And the Secret Service.

Every relevant branch of law enforcement should be all over this.

[KingFlorez]

12. And then he'd declare himself President?

Dumb turd.

[SILVER__FOX52]

13. This person is mentally ill.............

Just 15 years ago, these people would have been laughed at. These very statements shows the level of fascist stangulation in the Southern populations. What you are seeing is the dying gasp of the Reagan nutballs.

[Name removed]

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[Historic NY]

16. Okay do it...just remember all Federal Property ie military & etc, leaves..

but thats okay you have a militia. The best thing is my NY tax dollars won't be redistributed to support your country anymore. You can't have a cafeteria plan picking or choosing what part you want to keep. Its winner take all.

[Bitwit1234]

17. We know it's treason to secede from the USA

so I wish these guys would really start to do it...that way they can be arrested and thrown in jail. How damn dumb are they. The republicans continue to say that the Constitution is being violated...now we know who really is...go go go I'd love to see all these guys in jail.

[No Elephants]

62. thrown in jail? No, we'd look only forward, as I believe Lincoln did.

[sybster1000]

18. I live in Nashville.

This guy is not going to win. I am in a blue city in a red state but this guy is over the top. He also wants to adopt Arizona's immigration stance. I say,okayy..., put up a wall and keep those Alabama/Mississippi MFers out of here. The only other states fatter and dumber than we are..I'm not joking.:crazy:

[struggle4progress]

21. Once upon a time, Zach, the GOP was the proud party of national unity and antislavery:

Johnny Reb wanted to tear the country apart to keep black folk in chains, and the GOP said NO!

It was an ugly time. Maybe you ought to stroll around your state and think about it a bit: go to Bean's Station and Blountsville and Blue Springs and Brentwood and Bull's Gap and Campbell's Station and Chattanooga and Collierville and Columbia and Dandridge and Dover and Fair Garden and Fort Donelson and Fort Henry and Fort Pillow and Fort Sanders and Franklin and Hartsville and Hatchie's Bridge and Hoover's Gap and Jackson and Johnsonville and Memphis and Mossy Creek and Murfreesborough and Nashville and Parker's Cross Roads and Shiloh and Spring Hill and Stones River and Thompson's Station and Vaught's Hill and Wauhatchie -- and think about all the folk who died there

I understand you racists are upset that America today has a President with skin darker than yours, but deep in my heart I do believe you can overcome your anxiety and prejudice

But let's get this straight, Zach: we won't let you folk tear America apart nowadays anymore than our good ancestors let Johnny Reb tear America apart a hundred fifty years ago. It's just not going to happen. You'll get your wamp handed to you on a plate in short order

[Odin2005]

22. These people are nuts!

[tinymontgomery]

52. And so are the people listen

and follow him.

[socialist_n_TN]

23. Nashville and Memphis would probably secede

from Tennessee if that happened.

[socialist_n_TN]

24. Nashville and Memphis would probably secede

from Tennessee if that happened.

[d_r]

25. no I sure don't

[LargeGreenSpider]

27. Tennessee? America's No. 1 idiot factory?

Oh, please, leave! Fast!!

[gordianot]

29. I stay with the Union. There are those in my State capable trying this.

My primary allegiance is with the United States Federal Government. Secession was settled in 1865 let them try and find out what happens.

By the way no one will run me from my home.

[TxVietVet]

31. These conservanazi confederates

seem to believe that they are the majority. I'll bet that many citizens in their states will not secede with them. Any person of color would realize very quickly that it would not be in their best interests to join them in secession.
Goodbye Memphis and Nashville. They would secede from Tennesee. :rofl:

[savalez]

32. Rick Perry and Zach Wamp should form a new nation called...

Dumbfuckistan!

[reformist2]

34. The inmates are running the asylum.

[CBHagman]

36. Rep. "Health care is a privilege, not a right" Wamp.

"Health care is a privilege."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEMsY72Tw40

There's a lot of other bloviating on that tape, but that was the line that caused the MSNBC's anchor's jaw to drop.

By the way, I don't believe that the Tamron Hall meant it when she said, "It's really great to talk to you."

[Drale]

37. Cause this worked out so well last time

And when the tanks and troops start marching down the the main street in Nashville I want to see the look on the peoples faces

I have an idea why dont we pile 625,000 pairs of boots on anyone who mentions secession's lawn as that is how many people died the last time the south tryed to "screw you guys im going home" when they were losing in the political game

[defendandprotect]

44. For some, the Civil War has never ended . . . that becomes really obvious from time to time --

[Tailormyst]

38. Our country is to big anyway

I would prefer to see it split into smaller countries.

[Ter]

74. +1

Maybe one far right, one far left, one libertarian, one left leaning, and one right leaning. Something for everyone, who could oppose that?

[lib2DaBone]

39. Another worthless Republican that thinks they know shit...

When will these people quit?

[nyy1998]

43. Caused it worked so well last time.

We don't to go Sherman on their a** again, do we?

[yurbud]

45. they are probably one of those states that gets more federal aid than they pay in taxes too.

[FirstTimeVoterAt37]

46. I wish we could let 'em go

It'll never happen, but one can fantasize.

[Uncle Joe]

47. I will never figure out as to why when some dumb ass politician makes an asinine statement,

some people claiming to be his/her opponent empower said dumb ass by trashing the entire state or region?

If anything comments such as let the whole state or region leave only serves to strengthen the lunatic's political position.

Why is it so difficult to attack a single politician without attacking millions of innocent people in the process?:shrug:

Thanks for the thread, RamboLiberal.

[Paladin]

48. Hey, The Guy's Name Is "Zach Wamp."

Just on that basis alone, he ought to be disregarded.....

[indepat]

49. The tenor of the political ads in TN is the nastiest I've ever seen or heard: every use of the term

"liberal" might just as well have been preceded with "filthy slim-ball" considering the seething derision, enmity, and scorn present in the voice inflections alone.

[UpInArms]

50. wow! isn't that rather un-American and treasonous?

These folks need to get over their cheap selves and leave America to "real Americans."

[autorank]

51. k*r Here's how it plays out

Somebody will get really serious about this and start a little movement in one of these states, probably Texas and there will be a high profile poll done on the attitude of the rest of the country.
The response will be about 70% let 'em go, fuck 'em to 30% no, please stay. That will end it. The majority in whichever state is singled out will be furious and we'll see a major change it this type of stupidity. Sure, Tennessee is going it on it's own. Shut down TVA, remove all federal assistance and you'll have to ask the last person out to shut off the lights. It's pathetic and should be challenged.

[lakers4life24]

53. Let Those Morons Secede

I say if they want to Secede then go for it. The Federal Government would then save billions of dollars by not having these A$$backwards states sucking on the Governments Teets anymore. We'll see how long they last and come crawling back. That's when we'll say F U and kick them away.

[CLANG]

54. These people are un-American at minimum, and seditious, treasonous bastards at the maximum.

[Adsos Letter]

57. What, straight to secession without a shot at nullification first?

I mean, if you're gonna' be a moron you might as well harken back to the original.

[AlinPA]

65. It would be interesting to see one of these idiots actually try to get secession to happen instead

of just talking about it. It wouldn't take long for them to look like a huge asshole (and not just a regular asshole)after everyone sees what would be involved in it. Then maybe they'd quit with the idiot talk.

[Jennicut]

66. Why can't all conservatives just secede? They can have their own country and we can have ours!

Okay, wishful thinking...

[greymattermom]

70. noTVA

don't forget TVA

[captain jack]

71. Stop talking and start seceding. "You ain’t goin’ nowhere." n/t

[sofa king]

73. Why don't all the secessionists go to one state and take that place over?

I recommend Utah. I'm willing to bet the rest of us would freely give Utah to the racists, fascists, zealots and sexual deviants, and never look back. It's not as if they don't own the place, already.

[superconnected]

75. If only we could get rid of Texas so easily.