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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 12:56 PM
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Condoleezza Rice Threatens Jamaica Over Aristide (Dem Now)
Edited on Thu Mar-25-04 12:58 PM by eablair3
EXCLUSIVE: Condoleezza Rice Threatens Jamaica Over Aristide

Randall Robinson, who accompanied Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide on his historic return trip back to the Caribbean, reveals that National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice is telling the Jamaican government if Aristide is not immediately expelled from the country and anything happens to American forces in Haiti, consequences would be exacted against Jamaica in full force by the U.S.

National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice has refused to appear before the 9-11 Commission to give sworn testimony. But she has been very busy on a different front: The situation in Haiti. Rice and other officials have very publicly expressed their anger at President Jean-Bertrand Aristide's return to the Western Hemisphere on March 15, after spending 2 weeks in the Central African Republic. The Haitian President is currently in Jamaica with his wife, Mildred, and their two young daughters. The Bush administration has characterized Aristide's return to the Caribbean as inflaming the situation in Haiti and has gone as far as to label his presence an incitement to violence. Aristide maintains that he was kidnapped as part of a US-orchestrated coup.
Just as the Aristides were settling into their temporary life in Jamaica, news broke that the 15-nation Caribbean Community-CARICOM, had sent a formal request to the government of Nigeria, asking them to host Aristide. Jamaica, CARICOM and the Nigerian government have all indicated that pressure was being put on them by Washington.

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http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/25/1537236

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Condi Rice, ... doing what's she's told by others with the power. She's useless. I suppose she's useful to Bush, Cheney and the Neocons though to stand up and make public announcements and be seen on TV.
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historian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 12:57 PM
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1. good thing in a sad way
Let the bushies threaten everyone and everything and then follow up if they want - believe me even the most ardent repuke with half a brain will begin to feel uneasy by our hitler like tactics.
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shoopnyc123 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 12:58 PM
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2. Slime. That's all I can say. They're slime.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 12:59 PM
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3. Anyone else reminded of Graham Green's "The Comedians"?
Edited on Thu Mar-25-04 01:03 PM by bobthedrummer
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:00 PM
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4. Hey condi
shut the fuck up!
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:06 PM
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5. U.S. Ambassador to Haiti (Foley) tells Latortue that BuhCo Not Happy
I see that LaTortue has gone from "Prime Minister" to "Premiere" and now to "Provisional Prime Minister".

from a column by Novak (if you can stomach him):


PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (Creators Syndicate) -- U.S. Ambassador James Foley on Monday passed the word to Provisional Prime Minister Gerard LaTortue that his superiors in the Bush administration were not happy about language used by the head of Haiti's new government. LaTortue refers to his country's rebels as "freedom fighters."

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/25/haiti/
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if BushCo wasn't happy about it, why did they supply the helicopters, pilots and personnel to fly LaTortue to Gonaieve to meet with a praise these "freedom fighters"?

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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:06 PM
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6. Good... The Black Caucus should invite him to the US.
A deomcratically elected president of a Third World country should be able to enter this country at any time, without impediment.

If undisclosed corruption is grounds for deportation, then Cheney and Bush had better be making travel plans for Costa Rica.
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:10 PM
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8. why don't they just extradite him ...
to hear BushCo and the Repugs propagandize about this guy and all the horrible things he has supposedly done like murders, killings, arming gangs, drug dealing and trafficking (WHICH IS ALL BS, btw) , .. why don't they just extradite him and put him on trial?

I'll answer my own Q: BushCO wouldn't want any part of the truth coming out, .... that's why.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:19 PM
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12. Costa Rica is a socialistic democracy...
...why the hell would they want the likes of Bush/Cheney on their soil? I would prefer to see the both of them in jail. But if exile is the only option, I was thinking someplace like Paraguay where many of the ex-nazis fled. There are bound to be some fascist families there who would gladly host BushCo. Oh, Condi Rice can join them.:hurts:
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:29 PM
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16. well, you can't have an advocate for democracy come to the U.S. BUT
they won't bring an advocate for democracy and the poor to the U.S., but they have no problem bringing killers, terrorists, murderers, drug dealers and other human rights violators to the U.S. and setting them up with houses and jobs.

One example relating to Haiti -- Emmanuel Constant. A paid CIA informed who murdered and killed many in Haiti is given asylum in the U.S., set up with a house, and a job, .... this after he threatened to tell all on 60 Minutes about the CIA and the U.S. activities in Haiti in the last U.S. backed coup there in 1991.
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Should Haiti Declare a "War on Terrorism" against the U.S?
http://www.hopedance.org/archive/issue32/articles/pitteli-haiti.htm

Virtual Truth Commission
http://www.geocities.com/~virtualtruth/constant.htm

The CIA and Haiti
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43a/187.html
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:07 PM
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7. Bush-Tough on hypocrisy!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:39 PM
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18. Limbaugh-Tough on oxycontin!
:eyes:
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watercolors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:10 PM
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9. It's none of her GD business!
the gall of that woman, and of us to interfear.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:10 PM
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10. Amy Goodman
has been doing an excellent job of covering this.
She is now being attacked and smeared.
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:15 PM
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11. where is Amy Goodman been attacked?
and by whom?

also, Dennis Bernstein and Flashpoints has excellent coverage on Haiti for a long time.... They even were reporting on the signs of the coup and commenting on those signs a year or two ago.

http://www.flashpoints.net/
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:23 PM
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14. Are you serious? I thought she & Juan looked upset this morning..
When I saw the looks on their faces today I actually thought "God, I hope they aren't being harassed or threatened.." because that's exactly what it looked like. They had an expression of seriousness that one gets when one is being unjustly and unfairly threatened or attacked.
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:19 PM
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13. they want to pressure all of Caricom?
I just started another thread about the meeting of Caricom opening today, so I just wonder if Rice's "threat" is meant to intimidate not only Jamaica, but other members of Caricom?
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:28 PM
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15. MorAns
How do Bush's gang of idiots think that would play here and internationally if the U.S. actually attacked Jamaica to force them to cough up Aristide? Surely the Jamaicans realize the admin is blowing smoke on this one.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:35 PM
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17. United States expressed a willingness
Edited on Thu Mar-25-04 01:40 PM by seemslikeadream


South Africa's Mbeki, right, walks with Aristide at the 200th anniversary celebration of Haiti's independence from France on Jan. 2.
AFP

Wednesday night, Caribbean foreign ministers held a videoconference with U.S. officials, including Assistant Secretary of State Roger Noriega, the top American official for diplomatic affairs in the hemisphere.

The United States expressed a willingness to work with the Caribbean Community and agreed with its position that "the rebels ... will play no part in government or in the military because it would be against U.S. policy," according to a report from St. Kitts Foreign Minister Timothy Harris.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-03-25-aristide_x.htm





Roger Noriega, center, top U.S. envoy for the Western Hemisphere, attends a news conference at the Montana Hotel, Port- au-Prince, Haiti, Saturday, Feb 21, 2004. President Jean-Bertrand Aristide agreed Saturday to a U.S.-backed peace plan calling for shared power with political opponents, a new prime minister and fresh legislative elections. (AP Photo/Pablo Aneli).
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:40 PM
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19. Must destroy coconuts of mass destruction
before they can be used against the U.S.

:-)
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 03:20 PM
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20. Her statement is an effective abandonment of all pretense...
...that the bushistas didn't stage the coup.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 03:31 PM
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21. Now these evil POS in the wh own the western hemisphere? WTF?
Were new political boundaries drawn?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 03:46 PM
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22. I hope Congresswoman Maxine Waters jumps in the middle
of these threatening remarks. In fact I would like to see a debate between the two.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 03:55 PM
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23. Full force? another coup?
"Condoleeza Rice is telling the Jamaican government if Aristide is not immediately expelled from the country and anything happens to American forces in Haiti, consequences would be exacted against Jamaica in full force by the U.S."

These people are clearly insane.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 03:58 PM
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24. Sounds like Condi is getting ready to whip ass
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 04:10 PM
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25. wait a minute.. she's threatening Jamaica with military force?
is she also going to order the troops to rape and kill the women of Jamaica, too--kinda like that woman in Rwanda who allowed troops to kill, rape and torture women in Rwanda when the ethnic cleansing was going on?

on another note: doesn't rice look like a mushroom with a mullet?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 04:16 PM
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26. Interesting comments from your link w/ Randall Robinson
RANDALL ROBINSON: I don't know that the specific actions that the U.S. would take, or were made, were spelled out. It was clear that Ms. Rice told the Jamaican Government that if Aristide was not expelled immediately, and anything happened to any American forces in Haiti, that the consequences of that would be exacted against a president or against Jamaica by the United States with full force. Now, one doesn't know what that means, but we know what America is capable of doing. It's abducted the President. It executed the coup. It took him to a country with which it has no relations, nor does any African country to speak of, that the state department warns all people not to go to. We brought him back to Jamaica, to his home region and the U.S., of course, has brought full weight of its authority upon Jamaica to have him expelled immediately. Hearing that his simple presence there would cause people in Haiti to rally to salvage their democracy.

JUAN GONZALEZ: The Associated Press reported yesterday that a summary execution of Aristide followers have continued to occur. There were four supposedly by Haitian police in Port-Au-Prince and an A.P. reporter, reported that in Cap-Haitien, he witnessed Louis Jodel Chamblain former FRAPH leader, actually putting people on trial and rendering verdicts even though there were French troops in Cap-Haitien.

RANDALL ROBINSON: The French and American troops are standing by while the summary executions are carried out. The Mayor, Jean Charles Moise of the town of Miro, which is very near Cap-Haitien, is in hiding now, and he has said that at least 50 people are killed by the thugs in Cap-Haitien a day now. All of this done with the sufferance with the French and American troops.
(snip)

RANDALL ROBINSON: As I said, Jamaica has not buckled. Jamaica has made it clear that they have no plans to expel President Aristide. Jamaica deserves an enormous amount of credit. Prime Minister Patterson has been principled and brave. He recognizes, of course, that President Aristide was twice elected democratically, there were no questions about the elections, the last one he won with 94% of the vote. We all know that the country has been taken over by thugs, armed by the United States. This is a coup executed by America, a coup against democracy in Haiti. The CARICOM nations of course will stand shoulder to shoulder with Jamaica.
(snip/)

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Who EVER dreamed just one American pResident could screw things up this horribly? Unbelievable.

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 04:35 PM
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27. Not to worry, Mr. Aristide...
Just surround yourself with a commission. Condi will then stay the hell away...
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myomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 05:32 PM
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28. How Sleezy of Condolezzy.
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