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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 01:55 PM
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Report says FDA struggles to keep food safe
Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON — A new report says the Food and Drug Administration is stretched thin and needs to reorganize to better keep the nation's food safe.

The report released by the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council Tuesday says the agency needs to become more efficient and better target its limited dollars to prevent foodborne illness outbreaks. The 500-page report says the FDA lacks the vision necessary to protect consumers.

Robert Wallace, chairman of the committee that authored the report, said the FDA is too often reactive and not focused enough on prevention. The report recommends the agency focus on preventing outbreaks in the riskiest foods rather than tackling problems on a case-by-case basis.

"As recent illnesses traced to produce underscore, foodborne diseases cause significant suffering, so it's imperative that our food safety system functions effectively at all levels," said Wallace, who is a professor at the University of Iowa's College of Public Health.

Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iSUydumggW2juwPUoFE3jHoEN8SQD9G77HCG0
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 01:56 PM
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1. Unfortunately, most of The FDA is sick with food poisoning right now. n/t
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Militant_Populist Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 02:08 PM
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2. No GMO
They need to get the GMOs of the food too.
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burnsei sensei Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 02:18 PM
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3. That is what a corporatist bias in
policy-making and funding will get you.
The lobbyists pay, the producers get to give us The Jungle all over again.
Even Teddy Roosevelt would be angry. After all, it's his work that's being undermined and ultimately undone.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 02:20 PM
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4. Their prime objective is to not stand in the way of innovation

Until that mindset changes, nothing will change.
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Militant_Populist Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 02:22 PM
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5. Innovation Isn't Universally Good
When you combine Monsanto and innovation, you get a lot of dead people.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:14 PM
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8. GMO's are safe
Christ. I guess the WHO is a corporation too? The same technology goes into vaccines. But I bet you think vaccines are "toxic" don't you. Ugh. Stop with SCIENCE IS TEH EVIL luddism please.
Signed, angry pissed off scientist at the level of science ignorance here.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:40 PM
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4saken Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:41 PM
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17. Actually the evidence...
Shows that GMOs aren't necessarily unhealthy. What studies can you point to that make you conclude that modifying an organism's DNA automatically makes the outcome unhealthy to eat?

It's sad how so many will so easily attach to an idea just because it sounds intuitive and is easy for them to believe. Whether something is easy for you to believe or not has nothing to do with its actual truth value. Science doesn't care if you are easily convinced, even without evidence that GMOs are unhealthy.
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Militant_Populist Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:53 PM
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18. People Don't Like to Be Lab Rats
No actually people don't like to be Guinea Pigs, I think. We shouldn't be mucking around with DNA, when we understand so little about what we're doing.

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4saken Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:19 PM
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20. Well that doesn't support your position.
Merely appealing to incredulity is no way to argue for a position. Apparently you are convinced that modifying an organism's DNA necessarily creates an unhealthy outcome, but instead of evidence that is convincing you of this it seems to be enough just that you and many others don't know enough about it.

Making an assumption(that GMO's are necessarily unhealthy) and then backing it up with an appeal to incredulity just doesn't get you anywhere. We need evidence to support the position. Over the years humans have selectively bred all kinds of organisms, such as the Banana. If the moment they found any change, they therefore assumed it was unhealthy, we wouldn't have Bananas in the form we do today. Not an analogy to GMOs, but it points out the problem of automatically appealing to incredulity.
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Militant_Populist Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:35 PM
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23. It's Agri-Business That Makes the Assumption
I remember the old days of the FDA, when they actually researched studied things, and determined them to be safe before releasing them to the general public. I can't believe you are actually arguing that we shouldn't police the radical alteration of what children (or anyone) is eating, and we shouldn't err on the side of caution (like the EU which has allowed few if any GMOs into their food supply).
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:01 PM
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30. Bananas nave never ruined a farmer's crops who never even planted them.
Google Percy Schmeiser.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:00 PM
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29. Hell, people don't like the earth's ECOSYSTEMS to be laboratories
for testing of dangerous GMO's. You can't put the genie back in the bottle once the genetic material gets out and into native flora and fauna and heirloom crops.
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Militant_Populist Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:56 PM
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19. Sterility
Genetically Modified Soy Linked to Sterility, Infant Mortality in Hamsters
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/genetically-modified-soy_b_544575.html
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4saken Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:48 PM
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21. You will notice...
"Surov wants to make the analysis of the feed components a priority, to discover just what is causing the effect and how."

"In addition to the GMOs, it could be contaminants, he said, or higher herbicide residues, such as Roundup. There is in fact much higher levels of Roundup on these beans; they're called "Roundup Ready." Bacterial genes are forced into their DNA so that the plants can tolerate Monsanto's Roundup herbicide. Therefore, GM soy always carries the double threat of higher herbicide content, couple with any side effects of genetic engineering."

This shows that the study could be giving the results of higher levels of pesticides, and not the genetic engineering. The beans had different levels of pesticides. And they used multiple generations when they are only testing the effects on a single generation. It's very inconclusive.
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Militant_Populist Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:48 PM
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24. A GM Crop Causes the Use of Pesticides
As I understand what a Roundup Ready crop is, you use more pesticides -- thus the name. A crop that is not Roundup ready a farmer uses less pesticide on, because too much Roundup will kill your crop. So although the pesticides could be the culprit, it's the GMO crop that is ultimately the problem.

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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:35 PM
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16. Have you read this?
"I guess the WHO is a corporation too?"

No, the WHO isn't a corp, but that doesn't necessarily mean they can be trusted.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/04/AR2010060403034.html

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BuddhaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:16 PM
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22. you won't win anyone to your side with your rudeness
so why is it necessary? :shrug:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 07:24 PM
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25. Then you eat it and stop foisting it on those of us who don't want it
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 07:28 PM by Catherina
I'm watching how brilliantly all you *smart* scientists peformed in the Gulf every day.

What a joke. There few real *scientists* anymore, just a bunch of corporate yes men willing to do whatever they're asked to in exchange for a few stock options.

What arrogance.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:04 PM
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31. There are plenty of good, honest scientists out there. It's just that a
significant minority manage to make such asses of themselves by pandering to corporations that people with little knowledge of how science works assume they are all crooked.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:57 AM
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28. GMO's may or may not be safe for long-term human consumption, but
that is UTTERLY BESIDE THE POINT. They are NOT safe for the environment, being likely to cause BIOLOGICAL POLLUTION like in the cases of massive contamination of non-GMO corn and rapeseed with GMO pollen and the resulting financial damage to farmers who don't want the damned stuff.

And as a consumer, I demand the right to know when GMO's are in my food so I can make my own decision whether or not to give my consumer dollars to companies that don't give a damn about BIOLOGICAL POLLUTION.

And yes, I have a doctorate in hard science, not liberal arts.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:14 PM
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9. Here's a WHO link
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 03:15 PM by TZ
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Militant_Populist Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:32 PM
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15. Most Wouldn't Agree with You
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 04:59 PM by Militant_Populist
In 2007 89% of Americans polled in favor of labeling.
http://www.slogefree.org/news07/89-of-americans-want-gm-labeling
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 02:24 PM
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6. i'm shocked, shocked i tell ya!
what's next...unsafe vehicles...toys...dog food...tooth paste...pharmaceuticals...working conditions...environmental pollution.

oh that's right, all of the above.

thanks deregulation
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 02:25 PM
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7. They struggle with keeping the food safe and from the recent recalls in drugs..
they can't keep that safe either. Tell me what they get paid for and how we can replace them?
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:18 PM
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10. You do realize for every recall
There is about 100 drugs that are approved that are safe. The ARE doing their jobs. Maybe if people actually learned about science and how the FDA works and didn't get their info from the MSM which is stupid about science people would realize that.
I have interaction with the FDA regulations all the time. THE SCIENTIFIC ADVISORY PANELS ARE FINE.
The problems is they don't have enough staffing to do the inspections. They need to be funded better.
Ugh. The FDA does its job all the time without people noticing. Plenty of stuff gets rejected--including a drug my company has been working on just last week...
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:29 PM
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13. The FDA is painfully underfunded and as a result understaffed
While some don't understand that fact, I think many do.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:47 AM
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26. Well put and thank you for this.
You were much nicer than I was going to be! Peace, Kim
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:06 PM
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33. Also, the people W appointed to the FDA and UDSA have monkeywrenched
from the top down to sabotage their efforts. It's the Republican way. They get into office for the sole purpose of harming government programs and warping its policies.
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judesedit Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:59 PM
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12. Thye haven't done crap to keep the food safe in years. It's all about the money. Now their jobs
are on the line because people who care about other people are running the show and the FDA is scrambling to make it look like they're doing something. Every food manufacturing company, for lack of a better word, has a chemical lab in it???? Doesn't this seem strange to you? No wonder autism strikes every one in a hundred, even more in boys. Obesity epidemic abounds and astounds in America. Why are the food safety inspectors and regulators in the same organization as the drug safety inspectors and regulators??? Sound like BP? Answer me that. No good reason whatsoever. All about where they can get the most lobby money the quickest for the cheapest investment with non-existent oversight and little movement so the lazy bastards can sit on their asses and get paid for it, while all the while allowing chemicals to be put in our food for all sorts of purposes. Have an imagination? Use it. That's what they have been doing.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:31 PM
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14. for years politicians and corporate lobbyists have been chipping away
now they can claim it's ineffectiveness... just as the GOP claims the gov can do no good, so then they get elected to destroy it from within.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:51 AM
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27. Bush put his corporate cronies in charge and they gutted inspection
and tied inspectors' hands, would be my guess. Same with USDA.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:05 PM
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32. and the EPA and countless other organizations
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