Suns to wear ‘Los Suns’ jerseys for Game 2

[laststeamtrain]

Source: AP

Suns to wear ‘Los Suns’ jerseys for Game 2
1 hour, 11 minutes ago

PHOENIX (AP)—The Phoenix Suns will wear “Los Suns” on their jerseys Wednesday for Game 2 of the Western Conference semifinals, owner Robert Sarver said, “to honor our Latino community and the diversity of our league, the state of Arizona, and our nation.”

The decision to wear the jerseys on the Cinco de Mayo holiday stems from a law passed by the Arizona Legislature and signed by Gov. Jan Brewer that has drawn widespread criticism from Latino organizations and civil rights groups that say it could lead to racial profiling of Hispanics. President Barack Obama has called the law “misguided.”

In a statement, Sarver said the frustration with the federal government’s failure to deal with the illegal immigration issue led to the passage of what he called “a flawed state law.”

He said that the law calls into question “our basic principles of equal rights and protection under the law” and will cause Arizona’s economy to suffer setbacks at a time when the state already is in economic distress.

Read more: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-suns-immigrati...

[Enrique]

1. that's going to piss off some people

some people REALLY hate Spanish for some reason...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAEIcsOL2n4

[No Elephants]

51. Los is Spanish. Suns is not Spanish. Maybe people will get only half pissed.

[TroubleMan]

64. It's perfect Spanglish, though.

Not like the Tealiban will know the difference.

[madmax]

107. My thought also

Keep it simple so the racist gringos get it.

[Cybergata]

130. Just Putting Los in front of something doesn't make it Spanglish

It should be los soles. They already had los sun jerseys. Now if they made them new ones with the correct name, I might be impressed. The players may be sincere, but the suns franchise is very concerned about the movement to move the All Star game out of Phoenix. The Suns don't want to miss out on all the bucks that come with the All Star game. Heck, if they were truly sincere about standing against the lousy anti-immigrant bill, the Suns would be the ones leading the "MOVE THE ALL-STAR GAME" movement.

[fishwax]

61. wow, plenty of jerks packed into that town hall

[Dorian Gray]

111. It will probably piss a lot of people off

but I applaud them for sticking to their convictions!

Go Suns!

[howaboutme]

131. The really nice thing about sports

is that it makes a shitload of money for a handful of people, while keeping regular Americans entertained, uninformed, stupid and contented - all to subsidize this handful of elites with their grandiose stadiums/arenas and conditioned box suites for the connected, the politicos and the rich. The gig has worked well.

[grantcart]

2. good for them but why in the hell would anybody unrec this?

I just don't get it -

kicked and rec'd even though it shows 0 recs.

[monmouth]

5. That happens sometimes. I notice at times I rec and the number jumps by 2, 3..n/t

[DefenseLawyer]

7. Some people here really, really, really hate sports

and they will tell anyone that cares to listen how religiously they don't follow sports, as if that makes them extra special or something. That would be my only guess.

[greiner3]

13. "Some people here really, really, really hate sports;"

Me, me me!

[LisaM]

18. And did you notice that those same people love to hop in on threads about sports

even when it's something positive like this?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

25. I know there are some real anti-sports folks here

But that's just sad......

[katandmoon]

56. I hate sports but I sure as fuck rec'd this!

[CLANG]

97. I mean no offense, or even friction

But why do you 'hate sports'? Do you have any family or friends that get personal relaxation or enjoyment from sports? Do you hate the enjoyment they may receive in their lives?

[WolverineDG]

81. and the holier than thou-ness gets worse when

there's a championship game or the Olympics coming up.



dg

[DefenseLawyer]

99. If you're lucky they will toss in that they don't own a t.v.

Then you know you're in the presence of someone really deep.

[WolverineDG]

112. bonus points! nt

[a la izquierda]

10. Because there are...

some real jerks on DU who unrec lots of stuff?

[No Elephants]

52. Perhaps you've noticed, we have some Con posters. And even more who register, but rarely post.

Los pathetic folks.

[ashling]

70. "Why in the hell" does somebody always have

to ask "why in the hell would anybody unrec this"? (BTW, I hit rec)

[grantcart]

74. I simply can't imagine what would be objectionable about it

Usually I can see some angle that will upset people but in this case I don't even see why a troll would bother.

[Name removed]

100. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator.

[gristy]

102. two more things

1. Such a comment is nothing but a distraction from the thread's primary discussion. Your comment does NOTHING to alter people's decision to rec or unrec any given thread.
2. If you must talk about people unrec'ing threads, start your own OP about it. You may not be surprised that you'll get unrec'd clear down to the sub-basement.

[ashling]

109. That's a gristy comment my friend.

well said.

[grantcart]

124. It is not a distraction

I am asking because I don't see the reason why anyone would respond negatively to the OP.

That is a substantive question that goes to understanding the content of the OP and not the process question of rec or un rec.

If I had a problem with the unrec feature I would notify the admins. Your suggestion that you should start an OP on the subject is a violation of the rules and yesterday a thread doing that was locked.

Summary

The question on why someone would unrec a thread is a valid substantive question that actually goes to the heart of the OP and your suggestion to start threads on it is not welcomed on the board.


Now what would so tee off someone about my previous reply that you responded to that their response had to be deleted. Why do simple questions generate such hostility? Why are you so hostile?

[sabrina 1]

108. I'm glad when someone lets us know if a post like this has

been getting unrec'd as it reminds me to rec it.

[Cybergata]

132. I never unrec, but I can understand someone unrecing it because

I don't see the move by the suns to be terribly sincere or meaningful. The Los Suns jerseys are just a trend & there are lots of teams that have Los in front of their name. So they decided to wear their Los jerseys. Big deal! The owners of Los Soles stand to lose out on big bucks if the All-Star game isn't played on their court. If the owners of Los Soles supported the movement to move the All-Star game out of Arizona, then I wouldn't see it as another way to divert attention away from the move the all-star game movement. "Oh no, don't hurt the suns, they wear Los on their jerseys." People are so easy to fool in this country.

[Gman]

3. Now I wish the Spurs would wear their Los Spurs jersies

(or is it "eys") which they wear every year in the spring. That would be a great statement`!

----------on edit

The Spurs only have white (home) jerseys that say "Los Spurs" so they can't wear them in PHX.

[laststeamtrain]

6. Yep.

[catzies]

15. Well, I hope they wear them for a home game this round.

Go Spurs.

Also, WTG for Los Suns.....not a Suns fan, but I am a Steve (Esteban?) Nash fan.

[laststeamtrain]

31. Esteban - a muy excelente player for Santa Clara in his college days. n/t.

[Gman]

42. The Spurs need Robert Horry back to "guard" Nash

(heh, heh! watch out for that table! Oops!)

[WolverineDG]

82. I'm sure something could be arranged between the teams

dg

[fleabert]

110. i have to set aside my love for Los Spurs to appreciate the Suns for this...

and the Spurs have had Los Spurs as a nickname in SA for as long as i can remember
GO SPURS!

[SoxFan]

123. They looked into it

The Spurs were willing to wear "Los Spurs" jerseys, but were told that they couldn't be produced in time for the game.

Maybe they'll wear them when the series goes back to Texas.

[EFerrari]

4. LOL

[MarshalltheIrish]

8. Great statement

Rec'd for sure.

[harkadog]

9. The Suns are not wearing the uniforms in response to the law

I am a regular Suns game goer and I never miss a game on TV when I am not there. The Suns have worn the 'Los Suns' uniforms many times this season and last. This was before this law was ever thought of.

[EFerrari]

11. So, you are claiming to know more than the team owner?

LOL

Carry on.

[harkadog]

20. As you can see another poster below yours I am correct.

When the Suns have worn these uniforms many times in the past was it in anticipation of the unwritten law? Did the owner have advance knowledge years ago the law would be passed? The owner is trying to capitalize on reaction to the law. But people who live here know it's b.s.

[EFerrari]

27. No, you are not correct. You are narrowly pushing an agenda.

The owner says they're wearing these jerseys in support. You can't spin that.

[harkadog]

28. So you take the word of a billionaire Republican

over what has been seen the last two years. OK. Sure you're on the right board?

[No Elephants]

53. You're both on the right board. It's possible that the team has worn these jerseys before, but

is making sure to wear them now to show solidarity. One fact does not exclude the other.

[Gman]

129. LOL! Set that straw man up there! Good one!

My daughter also does that kind of redirect. Only problem for you is people here are a whole lot smarter than the people you normally deal with.

[ArizonaLiberal]

41. Alternative jerseys are only worn by all teams during the season........

I have never seen a team wear their alternatives in the playoffs. They are making a statement.

[harkadog]

54. This is the first time the Suns have been in the playoffs since those uniforms.

[ArizonaLiberal]

68. Do you know of ANY team in ANY sport...

wearing their alternative jerseys in the playoffs. If so, please post.

[Iggo]

71. NHL -- L.A. Kings -- 2010

All home playoff games this (tragically brief) postseason.

[snort]

12. This is true.

But its still nice to see them wearing the jerseys. It'll be even funner when they beat the spurs tomorrow (fingers crossed).

[LisaM]

19. Many baseball teams do this too

But not generally in the playoffs. I think it is a statement and good on them.

[harkadog]

23. It is a statement that is designed to get more Hispanic support

for the Suns. As a Suns fan I think that is great but anyone who knows the situation knows why the statement was made.

[Iggo]

29. delete -- too easily misunderstood on second reading

Preview, Iggo...preview!

[blueamy66]

48. I don't think that the Suns need much more support.

They've got some of the best fans around....

[LanternWaste]

75. Or at least those who believe they know

"but anyone who knows the situation knows why the statement was made..."

Or at least those who believe they know, and tell us what is or is not.

As for me, I've always been under the impression that traditions may both adapt and/or adopt additional ideas, as it's part and parcel of acculturation.

[harkadog]

86. Defending the Republican billionaire.....

If some Repub Senator says he believes in full civil rights for Hispanics are you going to say we have to believe that statement too? What is the difference. The phony statements are given for money or power, it's the same. Too bad we have DUers defending Republican fat cats now.

[saracat]

104. Defending what is right is never wrong. I guess the players, who voted on this

and Steve Nash , who gave his political reason for being against the immigration bill, are also to be disdained because they too are millionaires. No one should ever listen to any of the Kennedy's , or Obama either. They are also millionaires. Money doesn't make you necessarily wrong. Bill Gates is a billionaire who has done a lot of good, so is Steve Jobs and Warren Buffett..

[harkadog]

126. So if these uniforms were in response to the law

why were these worn several times this season and last? Because we always believe what team owners say, right? The players voted after being told what the owner wanted. He is the guy who signs their contracts for the next year. But of course there was no intimidation there, right?

[saracat]

134. But they chose to wear these uniforms at this particular game as a "statement".

And if you think these players are"kowtowing" to any owner, you don't know basketball. The owners pay a high premium for those players because they are the ones that can call the shots. Owners always have the problem of players being enticed away by bigger money or better conditions. No one forces those players into anything. And BTW, I DO believe Staeve Nash, who is the player quoted and he was also an outspoken Anti-War opponent.

[harkadog]

136. Yes I do know basketball better than at least 90% of the people on this site.

Yes there are a few superstars who can call their own shots but most of the players can't. The owners work together on that. You are very very naive if you think they have real power. If the CEO of Massey Coal has his miners wear 'Los Miners' uniforms in the mines because he says he against the new law are you going to defend that too?

[LanternWaste]

135. Again, "at least those who believe they know..."

"Phony statements..." Again, "at least those who believe they know..."

I neither defend nor offend democrats or republicans-- I defend or offend the person and the action, regardless of political affiliation.

I imagine it would be small minded of me to dismiss a good deed done by a republican, or a bad deed done by a democrat, but if that's your own game, welcome to it and have fun.

[NewJeffCT]

24. The team owner said that they were doing it this time

because of the law.

[harkadog]

30. Do you take the word of a billionaire Republican all the time?

I don't.

[Bette Noir]

35. Only if it's a billionaire Republican who will lose money because of this law,

as this one will.

Lots of Republicans are against this. Latino Republicans, Republicans whose businesses depend on Latino employees/customers, Republicans who are immigrants or first-generation Americans...

[harkadog]

37. Why was he having the team wear the uniforms before

the law was even thought of? Yes, the uniforms are for Hispanic support but the law is irrelevant. They were wearing the uniforms before and after the law.

[blueamy66]

90. Have you ever heard of Cinco de Mayo?

nt

[harkadog]

125. Ahh, yeah

What is your point? Do you think billionaire owner suddenly got so moved by the celebration that he had the players wear the uniforms? Why were the uniforms worn earlier this year? Did the owner want to protest the law in advance?

[ArizonaLiberal]

84. This video should remove any doubt.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[harkadog]

127. You are aware aren't you the players work for the owner?

He signs their contracts and is responsible for the negotiation of new ones. The players knew he wanted the uniforms worn. It is funny how some DUers would never take the word of a Repub Senator about anything but a Repug sport team owner's word is golden.

[Beavker]

14. However, Sarver is a Pug, and still managed to let us know

per Faiz Shakir, on Think Progress, he also said this:

The frustration with the federal government’s failure to deal with the issue of illegal immigration resulted in passage of a flawed state law. However intended, the result of passing this law is that our basic principles of equal rights and protection under the law are being called into question, and Arizona’s already struggling economy will suffer even further setbacks at a time when the state can ill-afford them.

The fact he puts this back on the Federal Guvmit, does irritate me a bit though. His pukes had 8 years to get it done, and amid the most attempted legislative 2 years in a while, the GOP is screaming that, basically, Obama has failed on immigration. If his cronies in the Senate weren't so hell bent on ruining Obama, it would be done by now, as they've stretched out or killed everything that has been brought to the table. And that has been a lot of shit in my book.

[No Elephants]

55. He's saying federal govenment, not Obama's federal government. Everyone

knows both the federal government and the immigration crisis have been around for a very long time before January 2009.

[nyc 4 Biden]

16. los Mets have been doin this for a while.

[frylock]

17. ..

[Beavker]

21. Then there is always the norm...

other teams from cities like Los Angeles are doing this every day on their normal uniforms! As well as my San Diego Padres. Suck that Arizona GOP.

[frylock]

36. YOUR san diego padres?!

those are MY Padres!!! welcome to the board, and go Pads!!!

[happygoluckytoyou]

43. ONCE A YEAR THE PADRES wear a jersey that says THE FATHERS

oh come on.... it was funny ! ! !

[No Elephants]

57. Yes, it is.

[No Elephants]

58. No Los Celtics? Guess ya can't win 'em all.

[Jefferson23]

76. Touche!

[kpete]

22. beautiful!

Viva Los Sons!

[Richardo]

26. Why not "Los Sols" I wonder?

Probably too easy to make into "Lost Souls" or something.

[KamaAina]

32. It'd be "Los Soles"

[Oldtimeralso]

34. Following your logic

The Chicago Bulls become:
LOS TOROS!

[Richardo]

39. Es verdad! y "El Calor de Miami"

I like it myself.

[AzJusticeFreedom]

33. Go Suns!! N/T

[frylock]

38. vive los lagoderos!!

[Patsy Stone]

40. Good for them!

This is a new Friday home game tradition here in Miami:

[blueamy66]

44. LOVE IT

and love my Suns!

[liberation]

45. Apparently, "ARIZONA" was not enough of a hint for the anglo xenophobes down there...

"Los Suns" I love it! Muy bien!

Arizona, Colorado, Nuevo Mexico, Texas, California, Florida, Nevada... they all make our country sound much more poetic and humane.

On the other hand "tea baggers" and "minute men" sound like Anglo-Saxon sexual deviations/issues.


Just my dos centavos.

[No Elephants]

59. I live in Boston. I am very proud of the Boston Tea Party (well, except

the bit about dressing like Native Americans) and very proud of the Minute Men.

I cannot tell you how sad I am that the right has misappropriated our country's glorious beginnings, at the hands of radicals and liberals, while the right fled the country or spied for the British..

[SoapBox]

46. Yes! Good for them...I 100% support what the Suns are doing.

This is so cool…I’m no sports nut but out of lack of anything else watchable (on 50,000 channels), I’ve been watching games.

I can hardly wait to see this.

Hmmm…ya think that old Sheriff Crap-a-ho, will be at the game with his Goose-Steppers, demanding "The Papers" from Nash, Ginobili, and Parker? What a great scene that would be, out onto the court, in the MIDDLE of the game, throwing the players to the floor, cuffing them because they did not have papers PHYSICALLY ON THEM then and there, dragging them off…Maybe holding them in pink undies for a couple weeks, until they could be verified?

Put your money where your big mouth is Sheriff Racist

[happygoluckytoyou]

47. LOSe SONS.... sorry but most of your fans are part of this parade of dicks

[blueamy66]

49. Wow. Nice.

I'm a fan and am not part of "this parade of dicks."

[No Elephants]

60. Happy said "most" not "all." Isn't he factually correct? Aren't most of their fans Cons?

[JonLP24]

87. Who knows?

Without any stats we don't know. There is a study that show that most NBA watchers identify with Democrats than Republicans. In football most lean Republican. The study was posted in the Sports forum a few weeks ago.

[blueamy66]

91. One will never know until

an Official Poll has taken place.

I'm a Democrat and have live in PHX for over 30 years.

I love me some Suns!!

[blueamy66]

88. I hope not.

I know I live in a "bad" state"....but I was raised by a couple of smart parents and my Dad was always a Suns fan.....

Go Suns and go to my Hispanic friends here in AZ!

[lakercub]

50. I hate the Suns

But I like this. Good on Sarver.

(Laker fan here if the icon and username didn't give it away.)

[shanti]

62. lakers fan here too

the lakers should take this up - Los Lakers - and kobe would approve

[Iggo]

72. Pre-approved.

[shanti]

122. awesome!

[laststeamtrain]

120. Do we know the real Kobe?

http://www.latimesmagazine.com/2010/05/kobe-white-hot.h...

[AsahinaKimi]

133. LOS LAKERS ..

Would sound good too! In fact, I think the NBA should all have their "Los" Jeresys on the rest of the season.

(I would settle for "LAKERS DESU" -Lakeru desu- ..but, that's just me ^^) 冗談 Jōdan ne!

[Redstone]

63. That's cool. I like the gesture. A lot.

Redstone

[fishwax]

65. that's pretty cool

[CBR]

66. Steve Nash just spoke out against the law on Pardon

the Interruption on ESPN.

[Uzybone]

67. well done!

[muntrv]

69. Steve Nash was on ESPN's PTI saying he opposes the law.

[Bleacher Creature]

73. Not a huge surprise.

He was also really outspoken against the Iraq War. He's a good guy.

[underpants]

79. That was what I thought of first off-this has Nash written all over it

good for them

[JonLP24]

93. Damnit

I missed it because I hate that show. In fact I hate all of the Sports debate shows on ESPN so nothing against PTI that I don't have against ATH or First Take. I actually like PTI more than those shows but I'm rambling. Good for Nash and I wish I seen it.

[Optimistic]

77. I am now a Suns fan

[fry cook from venus]

78. I'm not a Suns fan,

but I think this is cool.

[Politicub]

80. That's awesome

You go Los Suns!!

I don't follow sports, but this team sounds it rocks.

[WolverineDG]

83. I wouldn't want to be a Phoenix fan when this series rolls into San Antonio

they just finished off the Mavs (YAY), kicking Cuban's & that racist sports radio DJ's asses back to Dallas. The DJ had referred to Spurs fans as "dirty Mexicans."

dg--dirty Mexican rooting for Los Spurs

[blueamy66]

92. F**K Ginobilli.

written in fun...

[zbdent]

85. how will they win a game if half the team is being deported?

I mean, "cops do make mistakes" ... right?

[alp227]

89. "Los" doesn't give enough edge. How about "Sol" instead of "sun". n/t

[jillan]

94. You guys - the owner of the Suns is a REPUBLICAN! and he's doing this.

[joeglow3]

115. Exactly. I don't trust him

He probably wants to set a precedence. Expect some time next season for the team to take the court with aborted fetuses on their jerseys.

[CLANG]

95. That is nothing but pandering, and to me is insulting.

This is coming from corporate PR people, probably all gringos.

[CLANG]

98. you know. i think i need to take that back.

no matter the motivation for this, and there are probably a few, but none as important as supporting the Latinos and actually all of us regardless of who we are, where we come from, and regardless of our customs or appearance.

[saracat]

103. It isn't This was unanimously approved by every player and the grief the owner is taking

for approving of it is immense.They make me proud.

[Stinky The Clown]

96. I wonder if Johnny or Jan or JD will be seen courtside?

[U4ikLefty]

101. I want one of those jerseys!!!

I have an 8-year (so far) boycott on NBA mechandise, but I may make an exception this one time.

[thelordofhell]

105. They do sell the "Los Suns" Steve Nash jersey

[DesertDiamond]

106. Saluting Robert Sarver and Los Suns!

[amb123]

113. UP YOUR ASS JOE ARPAIO! RUSSELL PEARCE! JAN BREWER!

[paparush]

114. I can see the photoshops now - "Loss Suns"

[Marthe48]

116. KUDOS!

What a positive story!

[joeybee12]

117. apparently now if my boston celtics lose, i have to root for the Suns...

..I think this is a good idea...i think sarver is being very diplomatic in his criticism of the law, and in his position, he has to.

[FourScore]

118. They just became my favorite team. n/t

[mod mom]

119. GO Suns! Excellent move by the owner!

[Saturday]

121. Sorry, politics and sports should not be mixed.

Just like religion and politics shouldn't be mixed.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

128. solidarity to a minority group is not necessarily politics. i think people should take civil rights

more seriously, and not pretend it only belongs in the political sphere.

supporting a politican shoudl not be the job of sports, but supporting civil rights is everyones job

[LanternWaste]

137. According to what or who?

"politics and sports should not be mixed..."

According to what or who? Is there a definitive list of what politics should not be mixed with? On what objective criteria is that list based on? What is the valid, precise and relevant reason that sports figures should not engage in political posturing?