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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 04:30 PM
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AP-GfK Poll: Obama slips, other Dems slide, too
Source: AP

AP-GfK Poll: Obama slips, other Dems slide, too


By LIZ SIDOTI, AP National Political Writer

WASHINGTON President Barack Obama's national standing has slipped to a new low after his victory on the historic health care overhaul, even in the face of growing signs of economic revival, according to the latest Associated Press-GfK poll.

The survey shows the political terrain growing rockier for Obama and congressional Democrats heading into midterm elections, boosting Republican hopes for a return to power this fall.
Just 49 percent of people now approve of the job Obama's doing overall, and less than that 44 percent like the way he's handled health care and the economy. Last September, Obama hit a low of 50 percent in job approval before ticking a bit higher. His high-water mark as president was 67 percent in February of last year, just after he took office.

The news is worse for other Democrats. For the first time this year, about as many Americans approve of congressional Republicans as Democrats 38 percent to 41 percent and neither has an edge when it comes to the party voters want controlling Congress. Democrats also have lost their advantage on the economy; people now trust both parties equally on that, another first in 2010.

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Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100414/ap_on_bi_ge/us_ap_p...



FYI, how AP is reporting the last poll standings...
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 04:32 PM
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1. Not to worry. nt
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 04:33 PM
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2. They shot themselves in the foot by forcing the Insurance Industry Profit Protection Act
down our throats. They deserve what they get.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 04:42 PM
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4. Maybe one of these days, they will figure out the best way to get their information, indicators of
public sentiment and the greatest data input directly from the people since Ancient Greece, is the Internet and not the bought and paid for conflict of interest laden, top down, one way corporate media, Lord knows we tried to tell them.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:25 PM
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15. That was one thing we could have done better. I think it will..
be a net positive in the polls though once people see what it does.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:34 PM
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25. maybe so...
I really wish I could be excited about what passed, given that I support available health care for all. I just don't think this is going to accomplish that. If it does, though, I'll be happy to say so. :)
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:44 PM
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32. Hopefully..
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 08:46 PM by mvd
Once people see the good parts of the law, they will want it better and better - eventually leading to single payer. :hi:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 04:36 PM
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3. Recommend
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 04:59 PM
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5. You know, I don't give a damn about the polls right now.
Obama has had to make some tough choices and he is working hard to fix this country. I don't give a damn what some uniformed,shoot off at the mouth, angry over nothing really Repubs and independents think. We need to get things done in this country and if some people are to ignorant to see that or to understand that change can be good, then that is their problem. And, anyone who would consider most Repubs on par with Democrats is crazy.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 07:51 PM
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28. Thank you!
It seems many would prefer to run in place while the world passes us by. Then they will be same ones crying in a couple of years why isn't the U.S number one?

I am not happy about all things but things are getting done even with the Republican "No" machine.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 09:45 PM
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33. Exactly! n/t
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:00 PM
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6. Meanwhile Rasmussen of all polls is showing Obama's strongest polling to date.
50% approval, 49% disapproval. First time in months that Razz is showing Obama not with a higher disapproval then approval.
Personally, I think these polls are mostly baloney anyway. His approval is clearly between 47 to 52% or so. Ap's polls were on the higher side then the other ones. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president...
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:09 PM
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9. Yeah, I can't figure that out. Razz was one of the two polls that got
the election of Obama right. I wonder if it's some kind of trick?
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:03 PM
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7. Yeah, the AP has never shown itself to have an agenda.
Liz Sidoti, Ron Fournier, nope.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:06 PM
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8. Looks like the dire forecasts for November may come true. Just had
staggering increases in our Health Insurance Premiums. I have never seen people so mad about anything as they are about Health Care Care reform. We had like a Tea Party gathering at our main shopping center here in Los Altos, CA (East Long Beach). I have never seen any demonstration of any kind for anything around here. I didn't see any vicious signs or anything on a drive-by, but plenty of Replace Obama Now ones. I was too far away to see who had made the signs, which were professionally done. I decided to go to another shopping center for my Skippy.

Allentown Jake. If you're reading this, hello.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:47 PM
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17. Sure ya did
and it's all due to Obama aint it?
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:59 PM
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18. What is due to Obama? Our health insurance increases were
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 06:09 PM by icee
due to the insurance industry. What would Obama have to do with that? The tea party gathering is due to HCR, I presume, which is what many had on their signs. I voted for Obama and am relatively happy with him, especially his position on Israel. You got some kind of problem?...
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:12 PM
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10. OMG, MCCAIN IS GOING TO WIN!!!!
<Jon Stewart>fuuuuuck!!!!</Jon Stewart>
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:06 PM
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21. McCain is probably going to win his seat back, but President,
never. I believe there will be some Dem losses in November unless employment starts picking up faster. I don't think Obama has anything to worry about in 2012. By that time the economy should be screaming--unless there is a double-dip or an attack on Iran. Now, if for some reason employment still hasn't picked up, that would be cause for concern.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:15 PM
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11. The rest of the polls have him up.
And didn't someone post yesterday about the way the AP post flaming pieces about Obama and the Democratic administration anyway. So why do we believe their s**t.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:21 PM
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13. All the time
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 05:22 PM by mvd
All doubt was lost when they hardly even acknowledged health care passage as a victory. There are very few in the MSM that aren't on the Repuke side.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:12 PM
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22. Yes, that kind of surprised me. Historically, newspaper editors
and tv producers were pro Democrat. Radio went the other direction. I just don't understand it. Suppose the media was dead set against HCR. They still should have reported it as an important historical event.
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:21 PM
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12. More propaganda from McCain's favorite doughnut dealer.
And one of America's leading brain-washers. Another great scoop, Liz! Sprinkles for you!
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:23 PM
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14. Absolutely one of AP's head propangandists
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 05:23 PM by mvd
x(
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:05 PM
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19. AP - American Propagandists.
The nasty little propaganda blurbs on their hourly radio news broadcasts are sometimes blatantly pro-conservative, particularly the unnecessary verbal embellishments used by Jon Belmont to sway ignorant listeners against anything liberal.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:36 PM
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16. I believe it will be mostly up from here. nt
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:05 PM
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20. And now they are preparing to shoot themselves in the foot again
because their financial reform bill is not nearly strong enough. They should bring back Glass-Steagall and be done with it.

Democrats need to remember who they are and who votes and works for them. Wall Street may give them big bucks, but that's not their constituency. The Democrats' constituency is ordinary working people. When Democrats put the interests of Wall Street and big corporations before those of ordinary working people, Democrats lose.

The middle way is a loser for that reason. It's quite simple. The middle way is inauthentic. It stinks of hypocrisy. Voters see right through it.

The health care reform bill is too little too late -- so people felt good about having the issue off the table but not about what the bill says or about the changes it will bring. Conservative, middle-way Democrats are the problem. Might as well have Republicans as have a Blanche Lincoln. Even though Lincoln votes with Democrats on some issues, she opposes Democrats on the issues that matter to most Democratic voters. So Lincoln's conservatism may win her votes in her state, but they lose votes for the party overall. Because her votes prevent other Democrats from being authentic Democrats and responding to what the majority of Americans and the majority of American voters want.

When the conservative Democrats get their way, independent voters get turned off. They want Democrats to have a point of view and speak for the interests of the little guy -- not take payoffs from big business and speak for wealthy people.

The health care bill was conservative -- and look how people are reacting.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:19 PM
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23. This poll is corporate shit, and it doesn't mean a fucking thing right now.
First, this is corporate shit. Second, it doesn't mean a fucking thing. Talk to me in 6 months after 7 straight months of job growth and expansion, after POSITIVE provisions of the health bill have kicked in, after many troops return from Iraq, and after banking legislation, energy legislation, etc. passes (if they can get past the RePUKE obstructionism). We'll be fine come November. In heavy turnout last night, with the GOPer running on the evils of the health bill, the RePUKE got smashed. See you in the fall.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:21 PM
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24. Do you have your ear to the ground about doctors leaving the
profession because of HCR? I'm on my third Doctor in less than a year from old ones leaving because they weren't making any money. They both told me this. Only 6% of medical school graduates are going into general practice now. There is a big push for nurses to become Nurse Practitioners. That would help a lot. I see NP's regularly now. Doesn't bother me, except their knowledge base is not real wide. Anyway, I have seen first-hand doctors leaving their professions, even though it was before HCR passed. Wondered if you had?...
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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:10 PM
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30. Nurse Practictioners Are Great!
My best experiences have been with them really. You're right. Perhaps they don't have as broad of a knowledge base, but their bedside manner tends to be MUCH better IMHO.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:34 PM
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34. Nurse practitioners are great except when they miss the fact that you have
an obscure cancer or some other unusual condition that they never heard of.
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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:39 PM
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35. Well, heck
Doctors are great until they miss something.
:shrug:
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:05 AM
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45. The extra training that doctors have makes them less likely to miss
unusual problems.

Nurse practitioners are great and have their place, but they cannot replace doctors. Just to get into medical school, a prospective doctor has to score very high on difficult tests of their knowledge and do well on interviews. Then there is medical school plus a grueling residency -- and then the doctor is allowed to treat patients with limited supervision. Every few years, the doctor has to take tests to insure the doctor is keeping up with new developments.
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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 05:29 PM
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46. No Doubt
No doubt, everyone's preference is a trained physician. But, for some issues that don't require a physician, a nurse practitioner is a welcomed resource.
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 07:30 PM
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26. ...as it has been said, Figures Lie and Liars Figure.
Suffice to say, I don't trust polls.

And the more I learn about which way these polling companies lean,
the less I trust them.
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NecklyTyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 07:47 PM
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27. The Main Stream Media has been saying that we were would lose the mid terms since 01/20/2009
The M$M has seemed to be intent on influencing the mid term elections in favor of the Republicans.

I am confident we will win in November keeping both the House and the Senate. The Republicans are a dieing party and the Tbaggers are all show and no substance. It is time to fearlessly stomp the Republicans into the ground. We need to lock them out of the legislative process and start passing progressive bills in lime with our agenda.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:05 PM
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29. Hmmm...maybe "Liberalism" is finally back in style
Obama doesn't appear capable of moving the country on a major leftward correction, so maybe the voters have a plan to assist him.
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Rozlee Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:13 PM
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31. Don't most poll show Obama winning against a generic Republican in 2012?
And winning by a landslide if a third party Teabagger got into the mix? I know I read that somewhere recently. The Rethugs don't have any real candidates to run. If they chose a moderate, the teabaggers will either a) stay home and not vote, or b) run their own candidate. Repugs have really painted themselves into a corner with Teabaggers. It's pulled the party so hard to the right, that they can no longer run a moderate presidential candidate with mass appeal to independents as well as Democrats. If they do, they'll alienate Teabaggers who'll desert them or run their own party. They've really got a tiger by the tail here. They can't hold on to it and they can't let it go. And I'm just laaaaughing.

:rofl:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:08 PM
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36. This is a jobless 'recovery'
To the working class, the much ballyhooed recovery is nothing but a phantom.

Jobs will be the issue in the November elections.
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:37 AM
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37. AP-GfK Poll: Obama slips, other Dems slide, too
Source: AP

WASHINGTON President Barack Obama's national standing has slipped to a new low after his victory on the historic health care overhaul, even in the face of growing signs of economic revival, according to the latest Associated Press-GfK poll.

The survey shows the political terrain growing rockier for Obama and congressional Democrats heading into midterm elections, boosting Republican hopes for a return to power this fall.

Just 49 percent of people now approve of the job Obama's doing overall, and less than that 44 percent like the way he's handled health care and the economy. Last September, Obama hit a low of 50 percent in job approval before ticking a bit higher. His high-water mark as president was 67 percent in February of last year, just after he took office.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ap_poll_democratic_woes
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:37 AM
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38. A week and a half before the election: AP-GFK poll shows McCain, Obama in virtual tie.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:37 AM
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41. bwahahahaha - and we all know they were dead-on accurate with that one!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:37 AM
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39. AP-GfK polls are nearly always
fucked up. So with an agenda. So transparent.

Of course the Yahoo(s) display it prominently,
just when we all understand that public opinion
is turning back Obama's way.

The media in this country is fucking disgusting.
If I had to choose between a Teabagger and the fucked media who made them,
I'd be hard pressed.

Did I say disgusting?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:37 AM
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40. Obama is actually doing pretty good, cause....
Rasmussen has Obama at 50, and since they are always lower than everyone else (and usually never even close to 50) that means Obama is more like at 55 or higher in the 'real' world ;)

Rasmussen
4/11 - 4/13
Approve: 50
Disapprove: 49

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president...

A few weeks ago Rasmussen had Obama down around 45 ---- this week is a HUGE improvement for those right-wing polling folks ;)

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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:37 AM
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42. polls only survive when its 'close' - so they have every reason to cheat

not saying they do, but if this were a court case, they'd have motive

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:54 AM
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43. Tell me what the poll says a couple days after election day. Until then, they are all unreliable,
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 02:55 AM by No Elephants
with the possible exception of Nate Silver.

And, in a close election, I'll wait even longer. See Bush v. Gore and Franken v. Coleman.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:33 AM
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44. Propaganda
Nothing else.

The media wants the 2010 election to be exciting, so they have to create bad news, no matter what the truth might be.

I don't think Obama is doing great in the polls, because of the economy, but I wouldn't believe much coming from the right wing media in the runup to this election.
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