Indian IT poised to gain from US health reforms

[OhioChick]

Source: Times of India

Mar 23, 2010, 05.48am IST

BANGALORE: US president Barack Obama’s $871-billion healthcare reform has brought cheer to Indian healthcare BPO and IT service providers.

Although the reform may not result in heavy healthcare technology outsourcing from the US — as it does not talk about any major re-architecturing, re-engineering or system overhauling of the existing platforms — it is expected to bring in windfall benefits to domestic BPO providers who are focussed on insurance and claims processing domains. Indian healthcare IT providers mostly focus on systems integration, application management, maintenance and legacy modernisation.

Minneapolis-based healthcare expert Dr Saji Salam said, ‘‘All existing IT systems including the electronic medical records, patient information systems and other technology platforms are going to stay untouched, barring some minor to medium tweaking, which will mean some additional work for existing providers like IBM, Accenture and EDS (HP). It's possible that minor portions of these might get shifted to India as well, but the sizable opportunity is for BPOs.''



Read more: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/5714166.cms

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YAY!!

[galileoreloaded]

1. You almost have to just laugh. The incompetence of it all....n/t

[saigon68]

16. Working for 84 cents US an hour

Ya that's a viable jobs plan

</sarcasm>

[denverbill]

19. Incompetence? How so?

Per the article, this increased demand for outsourcing has nothing to do with how the bill was crafted. The fact that 32 million more people will be insured is what is causing the increased demand for claims processors and call center workers. The insurance companies have already outsourced everything.

So how exactly does this reflect incompetence?

"The reform will bring 32 million poor and emigrant Americans under insurance cover. Insurance firms will look at outsourcing partners to help them enrol new members and process their call and claim needs."

[dflprincess]

104. So the tax money used to help those who qualify for a subsidy

will be helping to pay wages in other countries.

It just gets better and better.

[tomm2thumbs]

2. The GOP is going to start collecting this info to use again the Democrats - hope they plan fixes /nt

[avaistheone1]

9. AND THEY SHOULD !!!!!!!!!!!

If the Democrats are so stupid and ignorant as to let these jobs go to India. The republicans should use it as political ammunition in their favor.

[Romulox]

3. Just like the bankster bailouts went largely to overseas banks, and C4C benefited Toyota most...

The Obama administration is obsessed with "stimulating" the world economy with US taxpayer largesse. This is not a "mistake". It's as designed.

[liberation]

6. The bankster bailouts went mostly to American banksters...

... we have plenty of homegrown assholes, and this is a rather greedy and selfish society.

[Romulox]

7. Do some googling. Some estimate as much as 50% went to pay "foreign counterparties"

Bailing out an insurer is logically very similar to bailing out its insured. :hi:

[avaistheone1]

11. And to expand operations of US banks overseas.

The TARP money was never used for the reason we were given - to expand credit in the U.S. That did not happen.

[Romulox]

13. And to pay off "credit default swaps" held by Saudi Sovereign Wealth Funds, for example.

:hi:

[msongs]

4. corporations get their welfare bill n now r gonna export all the medical jobs lol nt

[avaistheone1]

58. You are right. It has already started.

Medical coding is started to be offshored. I am sure there are many other area of medicine as well.

[HughBeaumont]

5. Quel Surprise.

[avaistheone1]

12. Pic is a thousand words.

Bravo.

[HeresyLives]

8. This is going to happen no matter what the party,

and no matter what the bill.

It's a quicker cheaper method.

[avaistheone1]

10. Bullshit.

We pay Blackwater and these other military contractors more than twice what we pay a U.S. soldier.
It is not all about a quicker, cheaper method.

And it is not quicker and cheaper to send our IT jobs to India, and then to make taxpayers pay for "job stimulus bills" to makeup for the job shortages from offshoring. We also lose valuable tax revenue for our schools and communities when we offshore our much needed jobs. What lunacy!

[HeresyLives]

15. LOL well this isn't Blackwater.

This is 'paperwork', and it's indeed cheaper to outsource it.

[Romulox]

14. Outsourcer says, "Outsource!" Clip at 11. nt

[HeresyLives]

17. There has always been outsourcing.

I don't know why people have just suddenly noticed it.

[Romulox]

18. Declining standard of living and all. And Gilded Age level inequality.

But who's counting? :shrug:

[HeresyLives]

20. It's happened many times.

[Romulox]

22. "Let them eat cake!"

"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche!"

[HeresyLives]

23. The US has outsourced since day one.

[avaistheone1]

24. NOW how is that working for us?

[HeresyLives]

27. There are lots of advantages to it.

Speed, efficiency...a global office is always open and working. 24/7/365.

You can service a bigger market that way.

Some companies have more success with it than others, but for most it works well. You can literally save a company that way.

You'll see more of it in future.

[Romulox]

30. You forgot to mention how it helps the plebians. 24 hour Mumbai based cust. service is thin gruel.

:silly:

[HeresyLives]

34. I have no idea what that means.

:shrug:

But India isn't the only place you outsource to.

The globe is always working, even when you're home in bed.

[Romulox]

37. It's OK. Your entire schtick is "thin gruel"--i.e. not much protein.

:hi:

[HeresyLives]

40. Okay, you do recipes.

I'll talk about outsourcing.

[avaistheone1]

49. Save the corporations.

Indeed. You and the Supreme Corporation are taking care of that.

Got it!!

:rofl: rflmao

[HeresyLives]

52. Well, without them you won't have any jobs at all.

How funny is THAT?

[avaistheone1]

56. Without our bailouts, the tax subsidies from our communities these

corporations would never have survived and grown into who they are today.

So I see which side you are on...lovely.

[HeresyLives]

65. So for over 200 years you've bailed out all your companies?

I see.

Texas history book?

[avaistheone1]

68. We have propped out these companies in a variety of ways

including bailouts, a variety of tax subsidies, and have spent hundreds of millions of dollars cleaning up after them with environmental Superfunds.

[HeresyLives]

70. For over 200 years? I don't think so.

But for the overall good of the economy, some were helped in the ongoing financial crisis.

Having GM and Chrysler crash wouldn't have been helpful.

[enlightenment]

85. Heresy, could you offer some citation for the '200 years'

part of your argument, please?

I'm having a little trouble seeing it (not being snarky - I'd really like to read more about this).

[treestar]

91. Others might have outsourced to the US at one time

[sarcasmo]

95. Explain how President George Washington outsourced, please.

[golfguru]

96. George woulda if he had internet ...eom

[avaistheone1]

21. Don't let it get you down

Perhaps there was always offshoring, but nothing like we have now. No we have offshoring on steriods, with no concern at all for the people, families and communities that are effected. As a result we have record unemployment here in the U.S., along with record bankruptcies and homelessness.

Yeah, one in every 5 to 8 America children is hungry.

Nothing to be concerned about here in the USA. Don't let it get you down. Carry on heresylives.

[HeresyLives]

25. Yes, it's happening at a more rapid pace now,

but then everything is.

There has been unemployment all my lifetime...sometimes higher, sometimes lower than others. The economy goes up and down.

[avaistheone1]

26. What a Pontius Pilot approach to US unemployment.

Please never run for elected office, and never as a Democrat.

I am afraid Ayn Rand took a page out of your book.

[HeresyLives]

29. No problem there.

I've already held elected office, but I'm in Canada.

[smalll]

84. Ah yes, Pontius Pilot -- the founder of the Imperial Roman Air Force before

he was made Governor of Palestine. That's where the word "pilot" comes from. Little known fact.

[Romulox]

28. So your economic program is useful for WHOM, precisely?

You think you can talk your way out of failure? Your economics and ideology is an abject failure. Full stop. :hi:

[HeresyLives]

31. It works for everybody.

I know you don't see that at the moment, but it does.

[Romulox]

33. Except for American workers, whom you've just admitted experience lower standards of living

and massively increased inequality.

You can't even keep your talking points straight.

[HeresyLives]

36. It'll change again.

I don't have 'talking points', and I'm being quite clear about what's occurring.

[Romulox]

41. Your posts seem to be attention-seeking and without much substance.

Your flat affect and mono-mania for rightwing economics make me wonder if you aren't simply a second identity of DU's other outsourcing zealot? I notice you two rarely even acknowledge each other's presence! :shrug:

[HeresyLives]

42. ?? Everyone on here posts.

That's the purpose of this site.

Perhaps you could focus on the topic instead of dreaming up fantasies about me.

[Romulox]

44. I just think it odd that DU's top two outsourcing advocates rarely cross paths...

You don't? :shrug:

[HeresyLives]

45. I didn't realize there was

someone else who advocated it.

I'm usually pretty much alone on threads about China and India etc.

Spend a lot of time on concerns like these, do ya?

[Romulox]

48. I just think there's a lot of phonies on the internet, you know? nt

[HeresyLives]

51. I would care about your thots on it...why?

:boring:

[Romulox]

57. More interesting than your otherwise contentless advocacy for Outsourcing (consequences be damned!)

You can't even identify a coherent basis for your ideology (you might try the Bono routine: you advocate for a cut throat social darwinist version of "capitalism", but only because you want to empower the sweatshop workers of the world!)

It's not really a believable backstory, but you require something more than a blithe disregard for the well being of others to shore up your ideology. Without some sort of "Bono clause", all you're left with is basic neoliberalism--the economic program of the right. :hi:

[HeresyLives]

59. Outsourcing is a fact of life.

And your opinion of me is irrelevant.

[avaistheone1]

62. Cancer and crime are facts of life.

We are trying to eradicate them. Same goes for offshoring.

[HeresyLives]

63. And you can't do anything about that, either.

[avaistheone1]

43. Americans can not live on Indian wages.

Housing, health care, food, taxes - virtually everything is more expensive here in the U.S.

Whereas as an Indian can live like a king on an Indian IT wage. He can live high, have many luxuries and have servants at his beck and call.

Heresylives is okay with record unemployment, and Americans not be able to house and feed themselves, send their kids to college and save for retirement.

Evidently heresylives thinks Americans should live like serfs and compete in the race to the bottom against India and China.

[HeresyLives]

46. It's a standard wage in India.

They don't 'live like kings'.

Unemployment in the US goes up and down, as it does everywhere else.

[avaistheone1]

53. Oh yes they do, those working in IT do live in luxury.

Some of those people are my friends. It is well known about their lifestyles and servants. My friends brag about it and could not wait to return to India to live a better life there where everything is taken care of for them by their servants.

[HeresyLives]

61. No, they lead average lives for their jobs.

And kindly don't pretend to 'friendship' with people you obviously think little of.

[avaistheone1]

66. Average lives for an IT worker in India is a life of luxury

with servants.

You are confused. I enjoy my Indian friends. However, I don't think Americans should lose their IT jobs to India so that American and multinational companies can pad their pockets - along with the firms that makes millions of dollars in cash arranging for these job transfers to India.

It is shameful and the plug should be pulled the sooner the better.

[HeresyLives]

67. LOL average life in US is as well

The jobs don't belong to you, jobs occur wherever there is a need. And they are filled according to qualifications.

You aren't going to eliminate outsourcing or offshoring.

[avaistheone1]

69. Great then. American companies don't ask us to bail your asses out,

give you tax subsidies, clean up your environmental disasters, and fight your damn wars. Don't expect us to purchase your products either.

Go ask India and China to do it.

[HeresyLives]

71. Well then, enjoy your soup line.

If the US has no companies, it has no economy.

[avaistheone1]

72. lol The corporations have done this to themselves.

Have you picked up a newspaper...we are close to depression levels of unemployment here in the US.

Maybe someone smart ought to think about the FACT then when you send Americans jobs overseas, these same American consumers do not have money trees in their backyards that they can then go to purchase the company's products.

Corporations who offshore are cannibalistic and are killing themselves off. Pity.
The corporation who places their employees in the soupline, is next in the soupline.

[HeresyLives]

73. Which is why they're trying to cut costs.

You are a long way from Depression levels tho

The jobs don't belong to you. They occur where they can be best filled.

And since American workers have to sleep sometime, many jobs occur overseas in the daytime

The majority of Americans are working and they are purchasing.

[treestar]

78. If you're going to bash others for pointing it out . . .

This is just a truth. Whining about it does no good.

All the OP does is complain about this without offering solutions. Reason: solutions are impossible; or at least demanding that companies not outsource by posts of outrage on DU is not working.

We have to get the Indians rich enough to work on their own health plan and raise their standard of living - otherwise they beat us at the competition by the lower cost of living.

[treestar]

92. If the American lifestyle were really going down

Americans would work for the same wages Indians do.

The American lifestyle must not have gone down then.

In time things would get more expensive in India, by the same token.

Everything being more expensive here does not arise out of a vacuum - there was a reason for it.

[avaistheone1]

35. How does it work for us in the U.S,?

I really want to hear this.

[HeresyLives]

38. Well if you read the whole article,

you'll know about the good and bad.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_05/b3969401.htm

[avaistheone1]

47. I read the whole article.

Essentially the corporations say this is good for them, not for American workers.

Is that the "good" that you are favoring?

I don't believe I missed a thing in the article. Otherwise, please advise.

[HeresyLives]

50. It has good and bad points

which are covered in the article...the one you're reading from behind your brick wall.:)

Everybody outsources. There are jobs in America outsourced from other countries.

Like it or not, it's the way the world works.

I didn't invent it, so there's no sense blaming me for it.

[avaistheone1]

55. You are talking in circles.

Please spit it out. AGAIN, what are the good points other than for the corporations?

[HughBeaumont]

54. You're getting on the ThomasFriedmanLives merry-go-round?

I only keep this one around for sheer jack-in-the-box amusement. Otherwise, she'd be swimming with the wtmusics, boppers and robcons of the RedX toilet.

[avaistheone1]

60. Love the pin.

Often a pin, or a picture truly is a thousand words.

[HeresyLives]

64. You guys waste more time on here discussing posters,

than you do discussing the topic.

It's like gossip over the virtual backfence. :rofl:

[avaistheone1]

32. Yes, cui bono?

[dr_johnsons_dog]

76. What are Americans supposed to do for jobs?

With manufacturing, computing, customer service, electronics, and Gawd knows what else being outsourced to countries whose cheap or slave labor we cannot compete with, what are 300 million Americans supposed to do for jobs?

Incidentally, you sound like a very young person. I'm in my mid 50's and remember when we produced damn near everything IN AMERICA, so NO...we didn't outsource most of our goods and services. Virtually everything was produced here. Now we don't even produce raw materials like steel or concrete. This is not only an economic disaster, but a national security disaster as well.

[HeresyLives]

80. Same as everyone else does.

Create new ones, or train for fields that are less likely to be outsourced, or able to be done by robots or computers.

I'm 63...and yes, you've been outsourcing for over 200 years.

[brentspeak]

93. Just as there has always been brown-nosing toadies and mouthpieces to defend outsourcing n/t

[Thor_MN]

100. Seems to me that there is a severe shortage of executives...

Supply and Demand, executive pay is booming, so there must be a shortage. I say that it's time to outsource executive jobs, or create an H1-CEO Visa so the nation can reign in out of control executive compensation.

[rocktivity]

39. Well, duh, that's how the companies are going to maintain their profit margins

Outsource the office work by exporting it. Hope there's a measure in the bill controlling that.

:headbang:
rocktivity

[valerief]

74. Well, you know, there's a shortage of IT workers here in the US, after all..

:sarcasm:

[treestar]

75. It if makes a cost savings, we are forced to do it

There is enough bellyaching about the deficit the bill will cause as it is.

[Haole Girl]

77. I call bullshit

It is penny wise and pound foolish. Outsourcing is killing the middle class and our consumer-driven society. No jobs, no spending. Why in the hell nobody sees this is beyond me.

:grr:

[dr_johnsons_dog]

79. They see it, they just don't care

Actually it's what they want as the ultimate goal is a return to a feudal society with a very small wealthy ruling elite, a little larger middle class producing skilled goods and services that can't be outsourced (doctors, dentists, etc), and a very large pool of serf labor that can be easily controlled, used and discarded. That is the goal of the extremely rich and powerful and that has always been the goal. They like it like this. It's their natural habitat.

[HeresyLives]

81. And 'caring' will do what to solve it?

No one is going back to any feudal society...not that we ever really left it socially....but there was no middle class back then.

Do stop with the nonsense ideology. There are no plots.

[treestar]

90. But OTOH Indians would stay in that position forever

But if Indians and Chinese people become middle class, you have a huge world wide middle class - how can that hurt? The only reason they can undercut us now is that they work for lower wages - the only way out is to get them demanding higher wages.

Otherwise you're just saying they have to stay peasants and that doesn't seem right. Another thing is how to enforce it - what's the solution? This is never offered, just condemnation that Indians are involved.

I don't see how the U.S. economy can be kept just to itself and prosper. The only country close to that is North Korea.

[Skittles]

82. I see the major troll is active here

[HeresyLives]

83. Gosh, name-calling, and it isn't even about China.

[Romulox]

86. Later days!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=216227

[OhioChick]

88. Long overdue n/t

[Yavin4]

87. The Benefits and The Detriment of Indian IT Outsourcing Have Both Been

greatly exaggerated. There will always be outsourcing, and there will always be IT jobs here in the U.S. IT workers will have to develop an assortment of skills both hard and soft.

Outsourced projects to India have been a mixed bag at best, and the cost benefits are negligible. The NASDAQ has never come close to meeting its 1990s highs.

In the long run, workers with strong technical skills will fare much better in the workplace than workers without those skills. They just have to be vigilant about staying on top of their skills set.

[hunter]

89. Behold, the awesome power of the internet!

We could probably export 90% of our healthcare to India.

Doctors in India could read your lab reports and x-rays, write prescriptions, examine you by high definition television... Workers in India could do all the documentation, IT, and paperwork.

A complete doctors office in the U.S. could be run by a single person with a skill set somewhere between a nurse practitioner and office clerk/medical assistant/janitor.

Heck, with the right robots Indian doctors could do surgery.

Ruh roh, maybe I shouldn't have said anything. Some Wal-Mart executive might take me seriously.

"Okay, Nurse Associate Sally, please ask the the patient to bend over and activate and activate the anal probe...

[golfguru]

97. yes, a doctor in India will soon perform your surgery by remote control

There already is enough robot technology to do that. Just tie the robots to
internet. And pray the internet service does not go down during your surgery LOL.

[sarcasmo]

94. Kick back to the top, of course American workers don't gain India does.

[golfguru]

98. India has 3-1/2 times US workers, they need jobs more n/t

[ChromeFoundry]

99. and 1/3 the cumulative skills n/t

[musette_sf]

103. + 1

[sarcasmo]

101. I am guesing you are from India.

[golfguru]

102. good guess!

however I have been a US citizen for 40 years.

[sarcasmo]

105. Yet you still Pimp for India.