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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 06:04 PM
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BREAKING: Pelosi Makes Strong Case For House Public Option Going Forward, "We Must Act"
Edited on Thu Feb-25-10 06:07 PM by kpete
Source: Open Left

BREAKING: Pelosi Makes Strong Case For House Public Option Going Forward, "We Must Act"
by: AdamGreen
Thu Feb 25, 2010 at 17:35


Mr. President, I harken back to that meeting a year ago. At that time, Senator Grassley questioned you about the public option.

And you said the public option is one way to keep the insurance companies honest and to increase competition. If you have a better way, put it on the table.

Well, I bring that up because we have come such a long way....As a representative of the House of Representatives, I want you to know that we were there that day in support of a public option which would save $120 billion, keep the insurance companies honest, and increase competition. (This describes the Medicare-rates version of the public option, not in the House bill. The current version saves $25 billion.)

We've come a long way to agreeing to a Republican idea, the exchanges...because the insurance companies opposed the public option. They couldn't take the competition.

Read more: http://openleft.com/diary/17574/breaking-pelosi-makes-s...



UPDATE: Obama pretty much admits that he abandoned the public option not because of a lack of votes, but because the White House couldn't stomach Republican "government takeover" talking points being used against them and really really wanted Republican support. This is actually huge news:

OBAMA: "There were criticisms about the public option. That's when supposedly there was going to be a government takeover of health care. And even after the public option wasn't available, we still hear the same rhetoric...We have the concept of an exchange, which previously has been an idea that was embraced by Republicans before I embraced it. Now, suddenly, it became less of a good idea."
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 06:09 PM
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1. Kick and rec
Like it.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 06:10 PM
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2. OK Obama, give Nancy a free hand! She is the leader now. You got scared of words. nt
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Suji to Seoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #2
17. I really wanted Republican support - Obama
You're a Democrat, you're not a flaming neo-con and you're black.

Three Strikes, Barack. Screw the GOP. Get us OUR Public Option NOW!!!
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:06 PM
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34. I see it as Obama gave the GOP every chance to offer something - and in front of the public,
televised. The GOP can't come back now and say 'we weren't included!' nonsense. They had their last chance today at the summit. He will sign what the congress gives him.
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Suji to Seoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. I said a week ago and got ridiculed for being arrogant and clueless
You just said what I said a week ago.

I said it was political gamesmanship.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:52 AM
Response to Reply #34
51. I agree
it's time for the public option to go forth full steam ahead.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:46 PM
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46. Get us OUR Public Option NOW!!!
Millions of republican citizens will thank you....especially later. That 20% that will never like you...? They're wearing guns strapped to their thighs to your events, fer Christ sake!

Do what's right.


Let the Repugs obstruct themselves into irrelevancy.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #17
50. what does his race have to do with anything?
that's non sequitur to the issue.
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Suji to Seoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 02:53 AM
Response to Reply #50
55. no. . .it's a big issue. they wouldn't fight this hard with these teabaggers
if he wasn't black.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #50
83. Race has nothing to do with how Republicans view/treat Obama?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #50
87. Repugs will NEVER support anyone who isn't white
or Christian or straight, for that matter. Their bigotry will never change.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 06:11 PM
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3. What I don't understand with regard to this point regarding Obama and the Public Option is
Why does he care about Republican BS concerning a "government takeover" when polls show something like Seventy Percent of the people wanting it.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 06:23 PM
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5. I'd sure like to be able to put that very question to him.
I understood the early persistence to try and sprout some of the much ballyhoooed "bipartisanship", but after about 6 months of the party of NO's lockstep performance, it should've been time to just let them say no as much and as often as they want while the rest of us got on with the nation's business. Time's a-wastin' and these greedy health care insurers are NOT going to back off or act in this country's best interests.
We should have a public option so reasonable that it naturally drives those greed-masters out of business. Of course, there'll always be some business for them as long as there's 40 corporate shills that think the best and cheapest health care comes from those that own them.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. Not only that,
but they will call anything he does, w/ or w/out the public option, a "government takeover".

Mandates are what most people think of as the government takeover - the government forcing Americans to buy a defective corporate product. Yet he's FOR that piece of crap idea.
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Shanti Mama Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #6
42. He has always said things like "Make me do it."
He needs to play politics if he's going to survive to his second term. By having other leaders and 'we the people' be the ones up front he has a much better chance.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #42
80. Did he mention HOW we "make" him do it? And, sorry, but that is self-serving bs on
Obama's part. What, "I won't do the right thing, the thing on which I campaigned, ffs, unless people who voted for me "make" me do it? And if I don't do the right thing--the thing I promised--it will be only because YOU failed to figure out a way to make me do it?"


Give me a break!


Hey, man, when we worked for you, donated to you, voted for you, we thought your election would "make" you do what you promised.

If polls saying 80% of Americans want a public option aren't enough to "make" Obama do the right thing, what would be?

For over a year, the WH has gotten so many calls, emails and petitions on this, it isn't funny. Ditto Reps and Senators. What more can we possibly do? Riot?


And what came of all our efforts? He chided "my liberal friends" for clamoring for a public options and his chief of staff said worse. So, "make me" soon became "STFU, idiots."



FDR said "make me," but FDR moved heaven and earth to get things done. And when the SCOTUS declared one New Deal solution after another unconstitutional, FDR got lawyers to figure out a way to scare the robes off "the nine old men."

After that, they suddenly started seeing things his way case after case, so he never had to go through with his court-packing plan. No one "made" him do anything, including supplying the Allies, despite the isolationists and America Firsters.

Obama, on the other hand never meant "make me." He just used it as a cop out.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #80
88. Excellent post, no Elephants. It is as if being bipartisan is more
important to him than keeping promises or even something as mundane as saving people's lives--like mine. Are having any ideas as to what will be the final denouement here?
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. He is using GOPers as cover
\

He has an agreement with the healthcare industry to make sure single payor/public option is not part of the bill.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #7
43. It sure looks that way, doesn't it. n/t
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #7
81. Thank you.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #3
48. It's all kabuki theatre. In secret deals, the top people in both parties
Edited on Fri Feb-26-10 12:34 AM by truedelphi
Have pledged to give the Big Interests what they want, and to withhold what we want.

But Obama is so charismatic that he is not questioned by the loyal Dems. Although only 20% of either party remain all that loyal.

More and mroe, people in this country are tired of being kicked around like dogs, and want the politicians OUT.

Regardless of which party.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 06:17 PM
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4. We shall see
Pelosi often makes these sunny cheery statements only to be slapped down by Hoyer or some other Blue Dogs, followed by Pelosi's silence and meekly "walking it back".

But we shall see now won't we?
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skyounkin Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #4
10. Ehhhh,
she has been pretty monsterous lately with her actions and words.

She is NOT messing around anymore.

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 06:46 PM
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8. no prognositication...just K n R
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 07:12 PM
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9. Kick & Rec !!!!
:kick:
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 07:32 PM
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11. K&R
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 08:48 PM
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12. And don't you just know that this "Start over" tactic would be one where
the democrats would start negotiations from the plan they have now IN REPUKE DREAMS!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #12
49. To me, it is like someone started screaming "Hey let's not use O-rings"
As the Challenger was being launched.

If Pelosi cared at all about any of this, she would have been non-stop on the bully pulpit last summer.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #49
84. What? And upstage President Barack "only a sliver" Obama? He's head of her Party.
He was supposedly stumping for HCR, including the public option he campaigned on.

Pelosi has consistently said the House wants a public option and she cannot get the votes to pass an HCR bill without one.

What more is her role, as Speaker of the House?
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 08:51 PM
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13. recommended.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 08:58 PM
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14. Obama needs to step down.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:19 PM
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20. Deleted message
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seeinfweggos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #14
37. obama seems to have sent a few of ya'll completely over the edge today
hahahahahahahahahah!

the fear is showing.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #37
82. Obama has struck terror into the hearts of Democrats and Republicans alike.
Oh, wait. You were serious?
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:03 PM
Response to Original message
15. Obama backed down in the face of GOP talking points?
and then admitted this publically?

:wtf:
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:04 PM
Response to Original message
16. Free Speech TV reporting 8 lobbyists for health care per congress member!
Yikes. The bastards are multiplying.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:15 PM
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18. Mandates with Public option=viable Dem party in November.
Mandates with only private insurance & we might as well change our name to Doomocrats.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 06:43 AM
Response to Reply #18
59. You are exactly correct, Jackpine Radical.
And this conclusion is inescapable. Democratic leadership, including Obama, know this. There is no way they do not know this.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:18 PM
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19. Oh, please, please please,please please
PLEASE give us a public option!!!!!!!
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alberg Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:28 PM
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21. No Public Option - no Bill!
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #21
41. No Public Option!
Then the dems can go fuck themselves. I will never vote again since I don't give a crap who gets elected. They're all thieving SOB's.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:28 PM
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22. Go for it Nancy
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:34 PM
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23. Take out the mandate please.
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pezDispenser Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #23
40. if you take out the mandate
how do you propose we stop people from only getting insurance when they have a catastrophic illness/injury? Honestly, if I could call up Geico moments after I backed into someone in the parking lot, I'd drop my car insurance today.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #40
85. Either
Edited on Fri Feb-26-10 06:57 PM by No Elephants
no mandate and no public option

or

mandate and good public option

or, better yet,

no mandate and good public option



But don't give us the worst of the four possiblities and call it health care reform instead of health industry bonanza.
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TrollBuster9090 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:35 PM
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24. No doubt Pelosi is...
Edited on Thu Feb-25-10 09:36 PM by TrollBuster9090
...taking advantage of the day or so that Boehner is going to be soaking his balls in a bucket of ice after the kick to the groin she gave him at Blair House today.

As for Obama's revelation that bears shit in the woods, well...let's just put it down to a learning curve and support him. We can't fire him now, we just spent a whole painful year training him.
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:38 PM
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25. I'll believe it when I see it.
Until then it's just the usual blah, blah, blah, bipartisan BS!
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perdita9 Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:40 PM
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26. Put Nancy in Charge!
This woman knows how to get stuff done!
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:48 PM
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27. Do it, Nancy!
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:50 PM
Response to Original message
28. That is such bullshit. If he cannot sort out truth from opposition and stand for the truth of facts
against hearsay and fear of hearsay, what kind of intellect
has he got between his ears? 

Please, no stupid excuses.  
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. like a... sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me? Fucking adolescent
response to idiocy.  Please...  stop acting like less than you
are expected to behave and let the repugs be as ignorant as
they please.

They might be wealthy (through duplicious means) but they are
also kinda uneducated and kinda stupid.

We can easily outsmart those creeps.  But don't insult the
American public by validating their talking points as if we
can
be threatened by those stupid ideas.  

Give us more than this, Obama.  
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seeinfweggos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #28
38. getting desperate, eh? i love it!!!!
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:59 PM
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30. It's up to Reid and Senate Democrats. It's all on their backs. n/t
Edited on Thu Feb-25-10 10:01 PM by deacon
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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:00 PM
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31. Congress could make Obama do it
If they weren't such spineless wimps. Obama has to sign whatever they put in front of him. Too many Democrats in the Senate are hiding behind Republcans. Tell it, Nancy!!!!
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:02 PM
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33. He'd sign it in a second. It's completely up to Senate Democrats what we end up with. n/t
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #33
86. LOL. Sure. Just like it was completely up to Senate Democrats that Obama
Edited on Fri Feb-26-10 07:28 PM by No Elephants
met with health insurers, Big PHRMA and big health care providers before this process started, then resisted--none too honestly--the ACLU's FOIA requests for the WH logs.

Just like it was up to Senate Democrats that Obama would not meet with House liberals until after the Senate bill was good to go.

Just like it was up to Senate Democrats that all negotiations relating to HCR never made it to C-Span, as Obama promised.

Just like it was up to Senate Democrats that reimportation of prescription drugs from Canada went down in flames very soon after the WH put the kibosh on it.

Just like it was up to Senate Democrats that a PHRMA lobbyist who made a deal with the WH (favorable treatment in the bill in exchange for "political support") got fired after Coakley lost in Massachusetts. That "political support" must have cost his bosses a pretty penny (and sounds like the quid pro quo of reward exchanged for legislation that the law forbids).

It's damn shame that a very bright man who is President of the United States and head of the Democratic Party has so few ways of "pesuading" Democrats in Congress to do anyhing. Thank God FDR and LBJ never realized how pathetically little clout they had with Democrats in Congress, or we might still be in a Depression with our big, bad no Medicare no civil rights Act selves.



When Obama wants something, he has plenty of clout. (See reimportation of drugs from Canada.) Wake up and smell the coffee. I believe it's Starbuck's Back Room Deals--Extra Bold.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #31
39. Congress has to do it
Obama really does not have the power to do it alone.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:00 PM
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:23 PM
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35. "I gave you everything, you gave me nothing".
Is this not the scariest utterance of any president in history. This appears to be O's m.o. on just about everything.

So, Mr. O. We gave you everything; You promised us much, but gave us nothing but a few crumbs already in the works and gave everything not already stolen to the pugs.

We are not amused.
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PFunk Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:33 PM
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44. I think that she (unlike Obama) is finially seeing reality.
That is a lot of the now PO'd dem base WILL just sit on their seats (or worse) if they dont get public option. Which means not only losing the senate and house seats. But also be a possible minority party for years to come and many start seeking out third parties to join or just op out of polictics in general.

This upcomming election is all about the base. The repugs are mobilzing theirs while the dems are PO'ing them. NOT a good thing now and Nancy (which I'm not a fan of) knows it.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:33 PM
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45. What type of "public option" will this be?
Another "option" like they were promoting last December that would only cover six million people at most? That is no "option" and simply a cover to force the fascist Individual Mandate on us, to further enrich the "health" insurance conglomerates that are lobbying for it.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:59 PM
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47. What type of "public option" will this be?
Don't forget it won't go into effect for a hundred... no wait.... well, a couple of years from now. (Why?)
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #45
53. An expansion of Medicare, I hope.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 01:08 AM
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52. Expand Medicare (ie public option) & kill the mandate in reconcilliation (both do-able) & win! nt
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DallasNE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 02:34 AM
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54. I Also Liked When Speaker Pelosi
Looked at the other side of the table and mentioned about 4 points that the Republicans regularly complain are needed in the bill that she said are all in the bill and then complained about the need to end the "misinformation". Harry Reid also chided McConnell about "being intitled to his own opinion but not his own facts". While the word "liar" wasn't used directly it was the clear meaning of these two exchanges. Bravo -- even though it was long overdue.
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paulflorez Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:40 AM
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56. Called my Rep. and Senators and told them I support reconciliation and the public option.
Called my Rep. and Senators today and told them I support reconciliation and the public option. I wonder if the people that answer the phones really do anything with the comments I give them? They at least asked for my zip code, maybe just to keep tally?

I think today was it for me and bipartisanship. I thought maybe getting Brown, Snowe or Collins on board would be a good idea, but the they're not the ones running the Republicans and the ones actually running the Republicans are citing talking points while marching lock-step with one another. It really kills the idea of bipartisanship, but it's semi-effective because it makes the GOP appear unified. They're not, just look at the jobs bill or the Florida senate race, but truth isn't as powerful as appearance. I do think the Democrats should continue to reach out to Snowe, Collins and Brown, especially when it comes to incentives for job creation.

I think it's time for the Dems to bite the bullet. Pelosi and Reid need to rally the troops and get them pumped to add the public option via reconciliation. If the public option is added, it'll be a huge victory for the Democrats and the base will fire back up. It's an even bigger deal because so many, mainly Republicans but also some Democrats, have been saying no, you can't have a public option. It would be a great way to say yes, we can! The Democrats need to unify at least a majority though. They need to craft a single message. Health insurance companies are becoming too big to fail.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:43 AM
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57. Just DO IT! We ALL want & need it!!
Edited on Fri Feb-26-10 03:44 AM by GreenTea
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coyote Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:55 AM
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58. What will the public option be?
A token gesture to the little people while private insurance rakes in billions. Fool me once...fool me twice....can't get fooled again. :-)
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DisgustedInMN Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 07:16 AM
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60. Step back and watch a leader in action Barack and Harry.
'Cuz it pretty damn clear by now that neither of you have a clue how to do it.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 08:53 AM
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61. K AND R!
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 08:54 AM
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62. kick and recommend
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 09:26 AM
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63. I hope Nancy can do it. But I will only believe it when it is passed and signed.
The real question mark, as always, is what the president and the WH will do.

Will Biden sign it if we need the 51?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 07:33 PM
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89. My prediction: Biden's vote will not be required, unless Obama wants it to be required.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 09:28 AM
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64. Pelosi gets the message of MASS election -- Rahm still pulling for corporate health care ?
It was ridiculous yesterday to watch the hearings and have no one that I saw

speaking out for Medicare for All -- specifically.

We should stop begging for the public option bread crumb and demand

MEDICARE FOR ALL --
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:05 PM
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66. They gave that one away before the sausage-making started,
and then they emphasized their point by jailing the health care professionals who spoke out for it.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:05 PM
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65. Commercials already up and running here in Fla..24hours a day..
Edited on Fri Feb-26-10 12:06 PM by flyarm
about how disasterous this bill is..and it ends with Obama and pig in split screen..the pig has lipstick on it..and you hear Obama saying Lipstick on a pig..and that is what they are calling this bill in the commerical. They tell about Obama's secret meetings..with the Halth care industry.
It is a rather scathing commerical..

And I am in the Anchor of the I-4 corridor in Fla..one of the most watched areas in the nation in elections.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:07 PM
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67. I guess we're going to see if the Dems have any guts.
If they can be pushed around by opposition commercials, then we might just as well ask the corporations to appoint our politicians for us & save us the bother of elections.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 01:07 PM
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70. sorry i didn't see who sponsored the commercial..I don't know who is doing it..
I am watching for that with the next one.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 01:40 PM
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71. It may be camouflaged as some sort of "public interest group."
You know damn well who's doing it. ;-)
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:34 PM
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76. Indeed, Jackpine. I have been so demoralized that I truly have no
emotional reaction to the OP. My feeling is -- don't tell me, show me. STFU and at least introduce a bill for Medicare for all. When it's signed and delivered, THEN I'll believe it. Until then, it's just all hot air, and I still will think the Dems have no guts.
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KathieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:33 PM
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75. I saw it yesterday. They are trying to scare the teabag-types into an uprising again. Pathetic.
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:51 PM
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77. Ran in nj this morning too
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:34 PM
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68. Then just do it, goddammit! You've had a year!
We could have moved on to several other issues by now!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:06 PM
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73. I think they are trying to stall until after the primaries when they think it will be safe to ditch
Edited on Fri Feb-26-10 04:07 PM by w4rma
the public option.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 12:50 PM
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69. Kick this to the top
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:48 PM
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72. Get out of the way Obama and let Nancy lead.
Edited on Fri Feb-26-10 03:48 PM by IsItJustMe
On Edit: Hell, you might even learn a thing or two.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:28 PM
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74.  Thank you Nancy.She is speaking truth to power, literally.Someone had to say this.And she did. .
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Written__Republic Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 05:28 PM
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78. Make a PUBLIC Stand for the PUBLIC OPTION
Pelosi made a case for the public option yesterday right before the meeting was closed. Whether it was symbolic or a real gesture of political will, we the people need to saber rattle a little.

I find it amazing how easy we can lose the media narrative on this issue. If all it takes is coming up with home made signs and interrupting public officials while they speak. I think that can be done.

NO PUBLIC OPTION and MANDATED INSURANCE = NO BILL
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FunMe Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 06:07 PM
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79. Dog & Pony Show
Unless there is a Public Option, Pelosi and the rest of the DC Democrat clowns can kiss their career buh bye.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 07:37 PM
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90. I don't get the same message from Obama's words that the OP got.
Edited on Fri Feb-26-10 07:41 PM by No Elephants
I don't think his words are saying that the public option disappeared because of Republican rhetoric.

That said, I trust House Progressives more than I trust anyone, but I don't completely trust them, either. In the end, I think we will get a bad bill, maybe after the mid-terms, or at least the primaries, whereupon everyone but the American people will declare victory, making history, blah blah.

Meanwhile, I email my Congress folk every week that I will not vote for them ever again if there is no public option.
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