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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 03:36 PM
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Report: Luger dies in training-run crash
Source: Associated Press

Kumaritashvili from ex-Soviet republic of Georgia hits steel pole

WHISTLER, British Columbia - A men’s luger from the former Soviet republic of Georgia died Friday after a crash during training, an Olympic official with direct knowledge of the situation said. The death cast a shocking pall over the Olympics hours before the Vancouver Games were to open.

The official told The Associated Press that the International Olympic Committee received confirmation of Nodar Kumaritashvili’s death. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the 21-year-old luger’s family hadn’t been notified yet.



Read more: http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35369187/ns/sports-olympic_sports/
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 03:39 PM
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1. I heard on the radio that the course they run on the luges
may have been designed incorrectly. The speeds attained by lugers is too much for the course design.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 03:51 PM
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4. It's not a design flaw

It was designed to push the limits of the luge, bobsled and skeleton athletes.

They went too far to be sure. There's been a lot of accidents since it was opened for practice months ago.

http://www.cleveland.com/olympics/index.ssf/2010/02/sliding_track_was_built_for_wa.html




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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:09 PM
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33. I'd call putting steel poles right next to a low wall
coming out of a turn dubbed 50/50 for how many will make it through a design flaw. I was surprised seeing the photos & video how many poles were in that stretch - looked like he was coming into a train station.
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OldDem_63 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 09:07 PM
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40. Not just steel poles, UNPADDED steel poles.
At a point with a history of crashes! Jeez!

Anybody know if there's padding on those steel poles now?
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 02:58 PM
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47. I'm pretty sure
Padding wouldn't help if you hit a pole at nearly 90mph.

This is a super fast track that was hailed world wide as a marvel of design when it was opened and certified. It requires more skill and control because it doesn't have the flaws that slow sliders down.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 03:46 PM
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2. Yes, died at 21.
It was his second crash in 2 days.
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 03:49 PM
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3. That track is simply unsafe. They can't possibly be thinking of still using it for the games now. nt
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 03:52 PM
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Sucks how an athlete died before the opening ceremony.
:cry:

They better fix/throw out this track, or else! Lawsuits abound!
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 03:52 PM
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5. They're reaching speeds of 153 km/h...
that's damn fast.

Sid
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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 03:56 PM
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6. Am I the only one who thought this was about Dick Lugar?
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 03:59 PM
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8. I did too!
I thought, what kind of training run is he doing at his age?
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 03:59 PM
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9. LOL Me too.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:07 PM
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11. I did - and then I thought it was about a gun
and was so confused!

Kept reading and re-reading and

finally understood. Sports - I just don't think of them first.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:18 PM
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14. Who's Dick Lugar?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:20 PM
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15. I think its a sex position, but Im not sure
:shrug:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:51 PM
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21. Republican Senator from Indiana.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 05:20 PM
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24. see the post above
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:25 PM
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17. Me
I was skimming and clicked reflexively
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 09:36 PM
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42. Nope. Had to read.
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 03:59 PM
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7. I'm here in Vancouver
They actually showed his crash on the news before the reports came out that he died. Seemed like a poor design as he flipped right off the track and into a pole going 140 km/hr. Touted as the fastest ever. Too fast maybe. But I was surprized that it was so open on the side that he flipped off of. You'd think they would have a high wall up around all sides all down the track.

His tragic death will no doubt cast a pall over the spectacle of the opening ceremonies tonight.

Sympathies to his family.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:00 PM
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10. That is really sad.
:(
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:36 PM
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19. Who designed that track!
A pole? No wall? Sounds like someone who has never put one these things together.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:40 PM
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35. In cold states where there is snow, if the snow reaches a high enough
point and bridges are not properly plowed, the snow can act as a ramp. There have been a few deaths where cars went over bridges because the snow thrust someone over the side rails. This accident seems additionally tragic because SOMEONE should have thought about how a person could hit one of the blasted polls. The sides of the ramp are much too shallow for the sport the track is supposedly designed for. Maddening. :(
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:37 PM
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34. It looks like he broke his neck? The track design is asinine.
Any fool can see that. I'm sorry that someone wasn't looking out for these athletes properly.



Seems all to preventable. The course should be shut down.
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 03:13 PM
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48. The track was designed to be sustainable
It's a state of the art, green track. That requires many portions to be shaded to minimize energy demand.

The FITB and FIL praised the track when it was certified. http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympic-news/n/news/the-whistler-sliding-centre-homologation-process-complete_37220eY.html

A formula one race car driver can die on the safest track in the world if he pushes beyond his level of skill to obtain the fastest speed. This isn't much different.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 04:43 PM
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49. Many of the athletes expressed
concern prior to the death. Praise or not, they know more than anyone what the conditions were.

"The danger of the Whistler track has been talked about for months -- particularly after several countries, including the U.S., were upset over access restrictions for everyone but Canada, with some noting it could lead to a safety issue."

...

"I think they are pushing it a little too much," Australia's Hannah Campbell-Pegg said *Thursday night after she nearly lost control in training. "To what extent are we just little lemmings that they just throw down a track and we're crash-test dummies? I mean, this is our lives."

http://olympics.fanhouse.com/2010/02/12/nodar-kumaritashvili-luger-in-near-fatal-crash/

* Before the death of Nodar Kumaritashvili

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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:12 PM
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12. R.I.P. but the show will go on.
Edited on Fri Feb-12-10 04:18 PM by Electric Monk
edit: after seeing the video, there should be a chain link fence or plexiglass wall there, not just cement poles every few feet. The exit of that turn was an accident waiting to happen, and it did.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:14 PM
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13. Graphic video of the tragedy here.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:22 PM
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16. Thats a serious design flaw
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:58 PM
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22. Hmm. Don't have the stomach to watch. That would really mess you up, going that fast.
Yuck.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 06:22 PM
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26. Well, at least his death was FAST
:(
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 06:35 PM
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29. Wow. Horrible.
Poor soul.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 11:04 PM
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44. Damn that's fucked up. No way anyone could've survived that.
Anyone that goes off the track there has no chance of survival. I can't believe no one was killed before if this thing has been in use for 2 years. Or that they didn't anticipate anyone hitting those massive poles.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:36 PM
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18. Many athletes questioned the tracks safety
Edited on Fri Feb-12-10 04:36 PM by catgirl
After many crashes and complaints about safety concerns, it's baffling as to why Olympic officials
didn't shut the track down to make adjustments- or even cancel the event.

I imagine there will be a fair amount of athletes walking away from their dreams to compete in the
Olympics. This is horrible. I feel so bad for Nodar's family.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:39 PM
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20. The track has been in use for 2 years apparently,
and is approved by the governing body. Crashes are common in this event.
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 05:17 PM
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23. Crashes maybe common in this event...
but not crashes where the competitor is thrown completely out of the course into a steel pole at almost 90mph.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 06:00 PM
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25. I just saw the video of the crash
Edited on Fri Feb-12-10 06:05 PM by RamboLiberal
I don't know much about Luge course design, but putting a group of metal poles right next to the track to me seemed a very dangerous design! Looked like the lugers are coming in to a train station. I'd be interested in seeing what that course looks like all the way down.

Shouldn't the thing be designed so that if you do go off the track you're thrown out into snow or at least not into a non-forgiving object?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 06:24 PM
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27. Or at the very least, back onto the smooth ice of the track itself?
:(
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 06:32 PM
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28. Exactly - puzzles me that coming out of that curve
the ice walls seem low and it looks like the lugers are coming into a train station with all the poles right next to the track.
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 06:55 PM
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31. Considering the incredible speed he was going when he borked that turn, I think
he would have been screwed either way. But yeah, that poll didn't help much but to hasten his death.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:07 PM
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32. I've seen motorcycle racers survive crashes at high speed
but the track doesn't have obstacles for them to slam in to. And skiers have survived high speed tumbles.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:44 PM
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36. My thoughts as well. A novice
can look at that design and know it's deeply flawed. I little more cement and a few extra feet of wall on the sides might have been helpful?
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 06:50 PM
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30. Oh. At first glance, it looked like Dick Luger died..
then I remembered his spelling was Lugar.

Damn.

(On other words, RIP Mr. *vili)

Hawkeye-X
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:17 PM
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37. dangerous sport
n/t
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:38 PM
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38. What a heart-breaker, RIP young man.
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Paper Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:57 PM
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39. Heartbreaking. Dangerous. Stupid. This need not to have happened
The sides are too shallow, no padding in those supports? Negligent and unforgivable.

R.I.P young Olympian.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 09:31 PM
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41. ESPN link: Olympic luger from Georgia dies after crash
WHISTLER, British Columbia -- It took only three seconds.

Sliding faster than ever in his life, 21-year-old Nodar Kumaritashvili had one turn left in his final Olympic training run. Flirting with 90 mph on a $100 million track pushing speed to the outer limits, the luger from the republic of Georgia tilted his head slightly forward as his sled climbed the high-banked wall.

His last move.

Kumaritashvili lost control, crashing into the wall entering the final straightaway. His body went airborne, arms and legs flailing over the opposite side of the track, his upper body smashing into an unpadded steel pole as his sled continued skidding down the track. It all took just 48.9 seconds, start to crash.

Paramedics began working on Kumaritashvili within seconds, quickly starting chest compressions and mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, all to no avail.

The IOC said Kumaritashvili was pronounced dead at a trauma center in Whistler.

Less than an hour after the accident, a representative from each team was told the grim news.

With that, tears began flowing across the close-knit sliding world and throughout the Olympic family.

"I have no words," a teary International Olympic Committee president Jacques Rogge said, "to say what we feel."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=oly&id=4910296
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 10:30 PM
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43. It doesn't look like a safe design
Vanoc officials are avoiding difficult questions, but you really have to wonder about this design.

The irony is that this might just be good for the TV viewing numbers. It is claimed that the possibility of death brings some proportion of the audience out to car races. It is a terrible idea to contemplate, but it makes you wonder if the over commercialization of the Olympics, and the consequent desire for huge viewing audiences might not have set the stage for a dangerous design.
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lib_n_proud7650 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 11:21 PM
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45. Sad to see people's lives cut so short
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 01:08 AM
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46. It's the fault of those who barred the lugers from practicing on that track.
At least what the talk is on sports radio says.

Apparently the Canadians, in contast to established protocol, would not let foreigners practice on that track.

They did so hoping to use home field advantage to dominate the medals.

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