Poll: 67% of Canadians feel Bush knowingly lied about Iraq.

[Manix]

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Canadians overwhelmingly believe President George W. Bush lied to justify the Iraq war and their own government was wise to stay out of the conflict, a new poll suggests.

Two-thirds (67 per cent) of adult Canadians said they agreed with the statement that Mr. Bush "knowingly lied to the world to justify his war with Iraq" a year ago, The Globe and Mail-CTV News poll says.

Moreover, almost three-quarters (74 per cent) of the poll respondents said the federal government made the right decision by not joining the U.S.-led coalition that invaded Iraq, the polling data show.



Globe and Mail

[slor]

1. LOVE YA CANADA!

If only they could vote here.

[Ekova]

2. Believe me,

these days we wish we could.

Have faith though, the citizens of the U.S. will do the correct (almost wrote "right") thing in November. I'm not so much concerned about the vote as I am about Diebold, etc...

[indepat]

12. Can anyone give one instance when time proved the "right" to be right

(correct) on any major issue? I can think of none.

[Jackpine Radical]

13. Maybe just this once, we could make an exception

and declare all the provinces to be honorary states with their own delegates to the Electoral College based on the number of MPs or something...

[govegan]

44. Thanks for the pic and artwork...hilarious.....

I think the Whopper King likes his buns toasted.

I am sure the flames of hell will be burning brightly when he goes whimpering into that good night.

[Zhade]

48. That picture made me laugh. Nice!

NT!

[alittlelark]

3. CANADA!!!!

You Go Girl!!!!

[HereSince1628]

4. Excuse me, but, what's the so what?

What pressure are the Canadians or Canadian government going to bring to bear with their beliefs?

I'm not trying to be a wise ass or to bash Canadians, I'd just like to know how their feelings are going to get translated into any sort of pressure on Bush or Blair as far as that goes.

[Hav]

5. I think that is not the point

It's just another sign that the world overwhelmingly rejects the policy of the Bush Admin.
What pressure should a poll in a foreign country have?? It just reflects the beliefs of the common people.

[Malva Zebrina]

6. There was an enormous amount of pressure on Chretien and Canada

to join in Bush's slaughter on the Iraqi people. Canada stuck to it's moral and ethical principles in spite of it. Celluci was livid and let fly with all sorts of veiled threats re trade--Canada stood firm--I watched the debates in their parliamenmt--their system worked for them-I admired them so much-our system did not work for the people of the United States. It is broken. It worked only for the rich of Halliburton , Brown and Root and two hundred other corporations who were chomping at the bit to be awarded those uncontested contracts and it made them richer. Our troops, essentially, are being used to make those corporations safer to operate in Iraq. Our system is indeed, immoral, unethical, greedy and severely broken at this point.

[Hav]

7. well then

More kudos to Canada, I always liked that country since I fell in love with their ice hockey team when I was like 6 years old and when I saw some beautiful parts of the landscape of that coutry.

[MarianJack]

8. I'm Surprised...

...that we didn't wind up with "Freedom Bacon" on our Egg McMuffins!

[BlueEyedSon]

9. It's a sign that when the national media of a country isn't slavishly

repeating the Bush Admin propaganda, citizens will come to a different conclusion than most have here in the US re: the Iraq story.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

10. I might say that this result is despite a corporate media bias

The Southam and Sun chains dominate much of the Canadian market, and happily parrot the neo-con agenda. The only national newspaper worth reading in Canada is the decidedly centrist Globe and Mail. We, like the US need some real left wing media.
TV media in Canada represents a similar bias, with the shining exception of the CBC.

[Lisa]

56. Well, we are America's biggest trading partner ...

And many Canadians have a lot of contact with the US, in terms of business, social, and even family ties. It's sure not the "anti-American flakes" (as one neo-con columnist up here put it) who are worried about the changes coming over the States these days. I know people who have decided against applying for jobs, or even going shopping, across the border. If enough Canadians are reacting like this, there will be some economic repercussions.

[HereSince1628]

62. moral support is very f****ing cheap

Not to say it isn't nice to have moral support but that and $2.00 will get you a cup of coffee--without a refill.

Freedom needs more-- it's time to start building the organization and infrastructure to help 35 year old (+/- 10 years) American doctors, nurses and computer programmers and their families the means to escape the immoral conscription that the R's are planning.

Will the Canadians be there for American refuges?

Again talk is cheap. We need the underground in place from Winnepeg to Windsor.

I heard NONE of that in the replies. Canadians may think American policy is wrong but we are going to need much much more than public opinion.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

11. 'even a majority of Albertans believe Ottawa was right to stay out of war'

OK, it's over Bush. When my province, the most pro-Republican jurisdiction outside the US won't support you, you're through.

[Holly]

14. Look at this

it was brought my attention last night.This might be old news to some, but how is Harper gonna explain this.
For those who don't know Stephen Harper is about to become Leader of the united Conservative party. He's still supporting this war, at odds with 3/4 of Canada. Bye, bye Stevie. Traitors don't get elected Prime Minister. We won't give Bush* another pet.

"Toronto Star
NEWS, Monday, March 24, 2003, p. A04
Old Glory stirs up Alliance allegiance

Stephen Harper and his Canadian Alliance spent last week railing against Jean Chretien's Liberals and supporting George Bush and his troops in the invasion of Iraq. Now we know how he and his colleagues got their daily inspiration before question period. In the opposition lobby where his MPs assemble is a large sign, featuring an American flag and the message: "I stand with George W. Bush."
Can't give a link because it's archived.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

15. Harper is a Thatcherite. That's about as Right Wing as they come.

He has been known to praise Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan and Milton Friedman in his speeches. As he's trying to sell himself as a moderate, it may be interesting to bring up some of his old speeches.

[Holly]

16. More damaging info

I came across some more info. Stephen Harper attended the Bilderberg conference in June. Why? With a little more research I learned that Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and Conrad Black attended. Is Stephen the newest PNAC member? What is “average guy” Steve doing at this high level conference; he’s keeping some dangerous company. This needs to be exposed, there’s more to Harper than we thought.

“You’ve heard of the G8 Summit, but have you ever heard of the Bilderberg conference?
If not, you’re not alone. Bilderberg is an annual meeting of world superpowers in politics, banking and media. The event, held each spring, is as high calibre as the G8, except the whole thing is shrouded in utmost secrecy.
Going down the list of invitees (each year a mysterious steering committee creates a list of 100 guests), you find such powerful international figures as former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, President of the World Bank James Wolfensohn, Novartis CEO Daniel Vasella, and Wall Street Journal editorial page editor Paul Gigot.
So you’ve just got to wonder: What the hell is Canadian opposition leader Steven Harper doing there?!
Harper was not available for comment, but his assistant confirmed he attended the four-day event.”
snip

“The conference has long been the subject of conspiracy theorists who believe global capitalist interests converge to secure the world’s wealth among a minuscule elite and further diabolical plots for world domination. And truly, the lack of coverage by the world’s most powerful media outlets and the fact that all guests are sworn to secrecy gives the whole conference a preternatural aura”
<http://thunderbay.indymedia.org/news/2003/06/7035.php>

[Screaming Lord Byron]

17. Very useful, Holly. I can get this into the hands of people

in Harper's own riding.

[Holly]

19. Thanks, good news

I was hoping that you could. Maybe Minstrel Boy can get this to Jack.

[gula]

20. This guy is even more dangerous than I thought.

I'll keep it handy although there are not too many, or any, Alliance members in Quebec.

[gula]

21. And what's wrong with the other 33% of my compatriots?

Interesting poll in Sunday's Globe & Mail: only 20% of Americans consider us a their best friend. I hope that includes most DUers.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2004/03/14/382414-cp.html

[TahitiNut]

23. The other 33% think Bush is completely clueless.

... or maybe they're Newfies? :evilgrin:

[gula]

25. Hey, I love Newfies, dated one for 4 years.

Spent a month there a few years ago and absolutely loved it. They do kind of live up to the stereotype. Best home-brew I ever tasted.

[TahitiNut]

26. Yes, I say that with great fondness.

I've found the folks of the Maritime Provinces to be extraordinarily solid, responsible, honest, and engaging.

[Ekova]

31. Newfies:

Built good.

[Lisa]

57. right on ...

Re-routing those planes to the East Coast on Sept 11th was probably the best thing we could have done for the passengers. Not only because of the extraordinary hospitality of Maritimers and Newfoundlanders (my officemate is from "The Rock" and insists I recognize they were a separate country until a few decades ago!) -- but that region has seen incredible hardship and tragedy, and due to these experiences the people there were able to provide, essentially, an informal grief-counselling service.

Only someone from Halifax could turn to a New Yorker who's seen the WTC collapsing on TV, and say, "I know how you feel".

[Holly]

22. It might be worth

trying to get this info to Bloc voters as well. They would be concerned about this. I know that I am, just not sure what we all can do.

[Zhade]

49. Thanks for the tip-off, Holly!

By the way, how well-known is PNAC's agenda in Canada?

[Holly]

53. PNAC...well the CBC

did a major story about it last spring. It's not as well known as it should be IMO. More Canadians need to know. After all David Frum is Canadian.

[GinaMaria]

18. Maybe Canada will

adopt the blue states? I think the Blue States are either touching
Canada or contiguous to a state that is touching Canada. Who's in?

[gula]

24. The problem is that even the blue states are quite a bit to the

right of our most conservative provinces. You might want to take a look at his book.It surprised even me. Also there is a fun little survey on the site.

[gula]

30. Ooops, forgot to add name of the book

"Fire and Ice:
The United States, Canada and the Myth
of Converging Values" by Michael Adams

[molok555]

27. IIRC, the story goes like this:

* asks for Canada's support re: Iraq. Canada says "If you can show us the EVIDENCE, we'll suspend our commitment in Afghanistan and be there". * returns and says, "Well, we have lots of evidence, but we can't show it now". Canada replies, "OK, we have finite military resources and can't very well justify neglecting of previous commitments in the war on terror in Afghanistan for a war based on your inceasingly vague word. Sorry".

So, when anyone says EVERYBODY was fooled, calmly point out that apparently Canada, France and Russia (at least) were not.

[Spazito]

28. When Bush and his nauseating ambassador, Celluci, were...

putting the pressure on Chretien to support the attack on Iraq, Chretien kept saying, "Where is the proof of WMDs?" He, and we Canadians, NEVER bought into the Bush cabal lies!

[Lisa]

58. plus, Bush's pal "Celluc" trashed Maher Arar's name in public ...

He went on and on about how Mr. Arar was "known to authorities" and implied he was involved in shady dealings. It's a sad day when a prominent US official, personal friend to a President, can bad-mouth an ordinary guy who has no way to counter such slander.

I really, really hope Mr. Arar's wife wins that Ottawa seat, so the US Ambassador has to smile and be polite to her at civic functions.

Of course, should Mr. Kerry win, we will all be pleased to see a NEW ambassador.

[Spazito]

60. I suspect WHEN Kerry wins, Celluci will be pulled so fast...

it will make his head spin. He is absolutely the worst ambassador I have ever seen! He interferred with the internal affairs of Canada, outright threatened us if we didn't kiss bush's ass. He is the perfect example of what is wrong with the whole bush administration, imo.

[Ms. Clio]

29. O Canada

You rock!!!

[ConcernedCanuk]

32. I'm not surprised at the poll numbers, but I AM surprised that they made

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such an impressive news article out of it !

Yay Globe - telling the world that Most Canadians believe Bush is a LIAR !!

I mean we KNOW that, but it's just SOOOOOO nice to see it printed in a major newspaper

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Oh, and of interest, a previous related poll

"One year later, do you think Canada should have joined the United States and gone to war with Iraq?

Yes
8734 votes (20 %)

No
35506 votes (80 %)

Total Votes: 44240

POLL

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[Screaming Lord Byron]

34. Did you mean to post this in this thread?

[daleo]

35. Not really relevant to the thread

Nice try though.

[ConcernedCanuk]

36. He didn't last long ! I checked his profile ..

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ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST - . . .

[Screaming Lord Byron]

37. Oh, but I am so shocked at this turn of events!

That was so unexpected!

[hippiechick]

38. How did Canadians get so much smarter than Americans ?

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

:hippie:

[ConcernedCanuk]

42. I dunno if we're all that "smarter" -

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But we are a curious lot

we like "proof" of things

we get weird TV like CTV, BBC, HistoryTelevision - (NOT to be confused with HistoryChannel)

- we get some "mean" documentaries up here that would NEVER get televised in the States - Especially, Passionate Eye on CBC's NewsWorld .

and

we are not overly bombarded with Fox and CNN,

actually, the 33% that DIDN'T disapprove of the war, are probably those glued to CNN and Fox :silly:






see


I TOLD ya we are a curious lot !!

:dunce:

:hi:

[hippiechick]

43. awwww .......

:loveya: Even though they lost in the NCAA quarterfinals this weekend .... :yourock:

Now how do I set it as MY avatar ??


:hippie:

[ConcernedCanuk]

45. you want a small avatar, or you mean as a working picture and link

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.
.

in your
 
signature line ?

You DID notice that it is a working link no ?

you must mean sig line.

much MUCH too big for an Avatar ! 

so - IF you want it in you sigline  

just copy and paste the text below into the same place you put
the code for your :hippie: picture

- you can put it in front of the :hippie: text, behind it or
replace the :hippie: thing (don't do that tho!)


[link:www.uwrf.edu/sports/sports0304/mhoc_menu.htm|http://www.uwrf.edu/sports/sports0304/background/Falcons_header.gif]


leave a space so it would be-  :hippie: [link:  - - and so on

That will insert the picture, as well as be a working link if
someone cliks on it !

is this what you had in mind ? ?

[Jack from Charlotte]

54. I've been to Canada several times.............and there's no question

You all are smarter than we Americans, hands down. Also, your news, which I get down here in dog patch via Sat. TV, is clearly superior.

OK. Now that game you all play while dressed up in padding....... on ice, whilst beating each other with sticks.....it doesn't compare to our game, in which we dress up in padding and beat each other without sticks. Doesn't compare, at all.

[Spazito]

55. LOL re the sticks vs no sticks!

*

[Lisa]

59. seconded -- most Americans sure aren't stupid

If you get them away from the neo-con media and the increasingly-annoying "supervision" of Mr. Ashcroft, they see exactly what is going on. There are PLENTY of Americans who've moved up here who are living proof of that.

Thing is, Americans have been conditioned to view the President as a father-figure -- which tends to discourage some forms of criticism. One quibble I have with the current US system is that the Head of State is also the Head of Government. Canadians (and others with a parliamentary system) tend to have a powerless figurehead doing the ceremonial jobs. And let's just say that not many Governors-General have inspired a personality cult!

I think it's horrible that Bush is exploiting this hole in the system, using it to stifle dissent and build himself up. He is positively un-American.

[Canuckistanian]

39. 67%? That low?

Actually, not surprising, given that it's a Globe and Mail poll.

[gauguin57]

40. well ...

I think we SHOULD be able to get the same number of Canadians registerd to vote here as were illegally purged from the rolls in Florida by Katherine Witchiepoo Harris in 2000.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

41. It's all in the question. You could get 90%, you could get 10%

all depending on how you word the question.

[Name removed]

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[Spazito]

47. And that's why your hero, bush, doesn't have any support around...

the world and is going down, down down in Nov 2004.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

50. We've got the same problem in Calgary with these American Oil Companies.

Damned corporate welfare bums, soaking up all the handouts. Get back to Texas!

(deep, deep irony)

[Zhade]

51. You won't be here long, so let me just say: you're a fool.

Go worship George W. Traitor some more, you're not welcome here.

[0007]

52. I'm surprised that the figure is not higher than 67%

[Cheswick2.0]

61. looks like Canadians are smarter than a majority of Democrats

and than includes members of congress and the senate who knew better.

[ozone_man]

63. Let's not mention any names. ;>)

What a gullible bunch, or is it more the case of being a spineless bunch? I think the latter.

I feel lucky to have such good neighbors.