Powell Doubts Leaders Want Kerry to Win

[Khephra]

WASHINGTON -- Secretary of State Colin Powell on Sunday challenged Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry to name the foreign leaders whom the Massachusetts senator claims want him as the next U.S. president.

Kerry, the all-but-certain Democratic presidential nominee, said at a fund-raiser last week in Florida that he's heard from some world leaders who quietly back his candidacy and hope he defeats President Bush in November.

Powell expressed skepticism on "Fox News Sunday" when asked about Kerry's assertion.

"I don't know what foreign leaders Senator Kerry is talking about. It's an easy charge, an easy assertion to make. But if he feels it is that important an assertion to make, he ought to list some names," Powell said. "If he can't list names, then perhaps he should find something else to talk about."

more...............

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-powell-kerry,0,6166584.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

[pfitz59]

1. New Prime Minister of Spain...for one!

Powell blows......

[alittlelark]

11. OOOHH Yeah!!!

Ever so happy to hear about that!:D :D

[NJCher]

2. oh, sure

Why should he list some names? So your "administration" can "punish" them, a la' France?


Cher

[murielm99]

4. Kerry should say something to that effect.

Maybe not in so many words, but sort of as an aside.

[Flagg]

29. we don' feel punished

can't say the same of the US military and credibilty in Iraq

[still_one]

3. Powell has no honor

He lied about the WMD information he was given, not only by the state department, but also various intelligence agency

[The Zanti Regent]

18. Could someone please whack Powell in the face with a cream pie?

Maybe that would shut him up!

[joeunderdog]

45. Headline: "Voters call Powell 'Irrelavent,' exclaim 'Fuck you.'"

Who made Powell the voice of the nation anyway? Doesn't he have enough things to do?

Do your own fucking job. You've screwed it up bad enough, so don't take time out to campaign while the world is blowing up...you whore.

[dArKeR]

50. The American Media has no honor. 70%-90% of the world is against war in

Iraq, (world's citizens.) This is a fact that even the American Whore Media published. But now their leaders want aWol? This is a massive story that is being covered up by the American Whore Media, provable in court, RICO:


The word isn't 'honor' it should be the American Media is a branch of the NSA. The repoters, Fineman, Russert, Novak, Woodward... are NSA mole agents.

[otohara]

5. World Doubts Bush -

World Will Never Trust Bush - yes, I'm fairly certain that all world leaders, with the exception of British poodle - would prefer Kerry or a dog catcher for that matter.

[NEOBuckeye]

6. Powell should sit down and shut the hell up

What does he care, anyway? By his own will, he's out of the picture come January 20, 2005, regardless of whether his "liege" wins or loses this November 2.

In addition, he's had many a chance to stand up and truly rail against the ineptitude and moral bankruptcy of his fellow cabinet members. On all of those occasions, he has done very little to stop them. He has essentially condoned their actions by his own inaction. I'm certain that the very same world leaders who quietly endorse Kerry won't be sorry to see Powell hit the road, either.

On edit: Spelling

[The Stranger]

21. My question also. Why is Powell taking the lead on this? Why did Rove

have him come out against Kerry on this? Any politicos in the know know?

[peterh]

27. Not sure if Powell is leading it….

I seem to remember seeing some stuff on it last week from the WH and again this morning from McClellan….

WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--The Bush administration Monday said Democratic
presidential challenger Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., ought to back up his words
that foreign leaders want him to win the election.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said that if Kerry continues to refuse
to name names, it shows he is simply making the whole thing up.
"If Sen. Kerry is going to say he has support from foreign leaders, then he
needs to be straight-forward with the American people and say who it is that he
has spoken with and who it is that supports him," McClellan said.
"Either he is straight-forward and states who they are or the only conclusion
that one can draw is that he is making it up to attack the president," McClellan
said.



Could be that Powell, Rummy and Condi all had specific points they were told to highlight in their Sunday propaganda sessions and Powell being the “State” doofus, got this one….

[SemperEadem]

36. Dag! You'd think the law of Praemunire was in effect here

(The offense under English law of appealing to or obeying a foreign court or authority, thus challenging the supremacy of the Crown; Circa early-mid 16th century)

either that or lese-majesty. Do we still have a president or are we turning towards monarchy/imperialism? Kerry doesn't have to tell them anything. Perhaps McClellan needs to try that straightforward rhetoric on for a minute himself and talk about how Bush lied to the very same American people for which he's perpetrating such concern.

[Malva Zebrina]

40. No doubt he did

they are all coordinated very well. He may say nothing about anything because his son Michael holds a lucrative job as head of the FCC. There is a perfect example of corruption--besides the ones on the Supremem Court whose family members also got lucrative jobs from Bush or his friends.

[screembloodymurder]

43. The only reason they keep him around

is his credibility with the public. He's seen as a moderate. What a joke.

[SemperEadem]

35. He's a soldier

mentally, that would be anathema to him. He will never break from rank and that's why he's where he is today; that's why he's trusted by the company he keeps. If he ever had any second thoughts, he squashed that shit a long time ago, s0n.

His propensity for insisting that it's raining when Dumbya&co are pissing on everyone's head is astounding.

[Barkley]

7. Callin' Powell a Liar

Bush couldn't even address the British Parliament for fear of its members booing and walking out in protests.

Why did didn't Bush's "European Tour" last year include official stops in France and Germany?

SPANISH VOTERS REMEMBER THEY DID NOT WANT WAR IN IRAQ
In the first opportunity for voters that were predominantly against the war o­n Iraq to make their impact at the ballot box, democracy has found its expression in the Spanish election.
http://www.altruvista.net/pn/html/print.php?sid=34

Blow to Bush: Ally Rejected
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/15/international/europe/15POLI.html

Kerry needs to be more honest and say why the world is so displeased with Bush. Much of the global animosity towards Bush arises from the Iraq war and occupation which Kerry supports.

[CoupdEtat2000]

8. Leaders that Bush cannot pronounce or find on the map, no doubt.

*eyes roll*

[Rex]

9. Hey Powell where are those WMD you warned us about?

That was an easy charge, an easy assertion to make, right Colon?

[Piperay]

10. Haven't seen Powell for years

now all of a sudden they start trotting him out at election time. Powell has no right to demand anything from Kerry and needs to STFU, he's only hurting himself cause he is coming across as some petulent brat. :mad:

[izzie]

12. Sorry Powell you used your trust up at UN

There is not a country in the world that would believe him any more. Look at how he is treated by the people who hired him. Powell is gone.Maybe the GOP could find another black man to use up, after they drag him up on stage.

[truthisfreedom]

13. once upon a time, in America, we trusted powell. can you imagine what

kind of world we would have had if he'd beaten Clinton?

a poopy, poopy world.

go home, powell. go home and read or something.

[Zech Marquis]

14. that's simple

Mister Powell, just list the few countries who actually went along on your charade last year, Spain--whoops!, England, Bulgaria. Yur boss screwed up the Queen's personal garden :eyes: and the Poodle's on his last leg, so that leaves Bulgaria...do they have vampires in their army or something? :evilgrin: You sure as hell can't say France, Germany, Russia, and China, yu know--the major powers who actually have some stroke...

[MaineDem]

15. I thought Powell and Rummy were ordered to stay away from campaigning?

Didn't Bush tell them to stick to business and not be part of the re-selection campaign? Sounds like Colin didn't get the memo.

Edited for a dumb typo.

[Kellanved]

16. ahem, Colin, remember your reaction to that Belgian Minister?

No? Didn't really think so.

Of course about all Social Democratic Leaders (with Blair the possible exception) and even a few conservatives would be extremely happy to telegraph their congratulations to John Kerry.




http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=48&story_id=4200


Washington has reacted furiously to Belgian Defence Minster Andre Flahaut's comment that he would vote Democrat if he were an American, the Belgian press reported on Friday.
...

Acting “at the White House’s request”, Powell told Michel that Flahaut’s remarks represented “unacceptable interference” in US domestic politics.
...

[snippy]

17. It would be Bush league diplomacy to reveal something said in confidence.

Lacking any honor or integrity, Powell and the other members of the Bush administraion are confounded when someone behaves with honor and integrity. Kerry is not some dishonorable cowboy.

[Name removed]

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[jamesinca]

19. Here you go Mr. Powell, the Spanish guy will speak now

This will necessarily mean forging relationships with other world leaders, though Spain's place in the world may be about to change dramatically with Mr Zapatero at the helm. He has already said he wants George Bush to lose the presidential elections, so he will have no friend there.



more…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/spain/article/0,2763,1169596,00.html

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If you would like Mr. Powell a few other world leaders can come forward and speak for Mr. Kerry. I think it has better effect that way.

[flamingpie2500]

20. Name Names?

How about a fair trade:
Names of the people in Cheneys Energy Commission meetings.
Name of the adminstration official who leaked Joe Wilson's wife as CIA. (sorry her name escapes me at the moment)
Etc. Etc.

[jamesinca]

22. Valarie Plame

Hello and welcome to the DU.

[flamingpie2500]

41. Thank You Twice!!

[Moderator]

24. kick

..

[UpInArms]

25. related article: W.House Calls on Kerry to Reveal Names of Leaders

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=457...

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House on Monday called on Democrat John Kerry to name the foreign leaders who he says want him to defeat President Bush in the November election.

If Kerry refuses, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said, then he is probably "making it up."

The Republican White House was trying to turn to capitalize on Kerry's recent comment that he had spoken to some foreign leaders who wanted him to win in November and change the course of U.S. foreign policy.

Kerry refused on Sunday to name names. "No leader would obviously share a conversation if I started listing them," Kerry told reporters.

"If Senator Kerry is going to say he has support from foreign leaders, then he needs to be straightforward with the American people and say who it is that he has spoken with and who it is that supports him," McClellan told reporters.

...more...

Why would they want the names? So they can add them to the list of "with us or against us"?

(sorry that I had posted a dupe - but definitely worth attention)

[NashVegas]

31. Kerry Needs to Find a Way

To wriggle out of naming names, but look like he's not losing a "put up or shut up" spat.

[nolabels]

44. I wonder if its that weakness in personality thing cropping up again

One thing I have noticed about people who are Okay or contrite with themselves, is the concern they have is not who is talking or listening, but the matters at hand being discussed.

http://www.laboreducator.org/exportjob.htm
LaborTalk for February 18, 2004

Exporting U.S. Jobs Is Good for Economy,
Declares Bush's Chief Economic Adviser

By Harry Kelber


If you're a textile worker whose job was exported to China or a computer programmer whose work is now being done in India, please don't start complaining. Sending U.S. jobs overseas is good for the national economy, says N. Gregory Mankiw, chairman of President Bush's Council of Economic Advisers.

In his annual Economic Report, signed by the President and released Feb. 9, Mankiw explains his rationale for encouraging the export of American jobs. He asserts that "when a good or service is produced more cheaply abroad, it makes more sense to import it than make or provide it domestically."

In a press interview, he said that "outsourcing is just a new way of doing international trade" and that "more things are tradable than were tradable in the past, and that's a good thing."

Despite the continuing exodus of American jobs, Mankiw's report predicts
(snip)

[Festivito]

26. It's a trap.

If Kerry releases the names, no one would talk to him. And, it woud hurt him throughout his presidency.

Colin said Kerry should elaborate on his statement. Not asking specifically to release names. The press changed it to names.

Large nations, long-time allies, current allies...

I'd bet Republicans intercepted the calls somehow and know it would be say France and Germany, enemies of Bush, American and anti-terrorism if you believe that. And, they'd like that known as it would mean their faithful would remain faithful.

But, too bad, they'll just have to trust him. He doesn't need to elaborate, talk about other things, or release the information.

[gasperc]

28. they'd love to make a the UN or Europe is trying to take over thing

the GOP would love to make it look as though the world is against us, don't let foreign leaders decide our fate,etc. Vote for Bush and preserve America's independence, don't let our troops come under foreign control.

[Canuckistanian]

30. Probably not gonna happen...

There was a minor diplomatic flap last election when our ambassador to the US, Raymond Chrétien, made a statement in support of Al Gore during the election.
I remember the fuss it caused here at home as well. There was talk of an inquiry and the ambassador was warned.
That's why countries don't want to publicly support anyone in a foreign election. It gives the appearance of meddling and if the un-favored candidate gets in, there is the possibilty of chilly relationships or outright retaliation, as in the BFEE's case. Our relationship with the US (officially) is the worst it's been since the Nixon/Trudeau years.

[Democat]

32. Kerry needs to find a strong response to this, it's everywhere in the news

This has some danger of turing into "He said he invented the internet" if Kerry doesn't find a way to shut the right up.

He needs to find a way to turn it back on them.

[struggle4progress]

46. What he needs is a bunch of ex-diplomats to come forward ...

and say * completely screwed our credibility with everybody.

[BabsSong]

33. Ahhh, how many foreign leaders have rushed to the mikes to deny

that they ever, ever said or implied such a thing to Kerry??----don't exactly see anyone coming forward.

[samsingh]

34. powell has no credibility left

who cares what he thinks?

[0007]

37. C'mon Powell, you're not that far out of the loop

Pleeeeze tell me what country respects YOU or junior? Now please go fuck a rolling donut like FAUX news and your idiot son, you schmuck!!

[moondust]

38. More evidence that he/they don't have a clue.

Asleep at the wheel perhaps?

[skypilot]

39. Is it just me...

...or does this demand sound incredibly childish? Like, "Oh yeah, you think the leaders of other countries want YOU to be president? Who? Who? Name them." I can't help but picture Powell pouting and with his arms crossed across his chest.

[CO Liberal]

42. As Someone Else Suggested.....

...John Kerry should ask Dick Cheney to name names first. As in who advised him on the energy task force.

[burrowowl]

47. Powell! LOL

In fact LOL so much my eyes are tearing up, can't go on any longer. I have to ROTFLOL!

[struggle4progress]

48. Powell says he doesn't know what he is talking about

:)
<edit: just had to smile>

[goclark]

49. Powell is Not Working With A Full Deck

Something is wrong folks. What happened to the nice little boy Bowell?
He was so dignified and calm.

Now he is a viper! He must be graping some of Rushy Boys pills.





:think:

[knight_of_the_star]

51. Another one

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4531796/

Here is what the Bush Admin is saying this claim is coming from:

The theme was raised by Cedric Brown, a participant in a town hall meeting in Pennsylvania. He wondered whether Kerry was meeting with foreign leaders “to help you overthrow the Bush presidency.”

Pressed repeatedly by Brown, Kerry finally declared: “That’s none of your business.”

Kerry, meet with reporters later Sunday, said he was within his rights to keep his conversations with foreign leaders confidential. “I don’t think Colin Powell or the president would start listing the names of people who said something critical,” he said.

I don't see anything in there about John Kerry saying he's backed by foreign leaders in there, do you?

This sounds like just another BS attempt to make John Kerry look bad. I think we have to jump on this through the net.

[spanone]

52. Powell should ask cheney who he met with at energy meetings.