Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Obama May Go to Copenhagen as Polluters Narrow Gaps

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 04:04 PM
Original message
Obama May Go to Copenhagen as Polluters Narrow Gaps
Edited on Mon Oct-19-09 04:06 PM by Turborama
Source: Bloomberg

President Barack Obama may attend the December climate summit in Copenhagen, U.S. envoy Todd Stern said today in London.

Stern’s remarks at the Major Economies Forum meeting came after U.K. Energy and Climate Change Secretary Ed Miliband said the world’s biggest greenhouse-gas polluters had narrowed gaps in three key areas during two days of talks on climate change.

=snip=

U.K. Prime Minister Gordon Brown earlier told delegates they cannot afford to fail to broker a deal to fight global warming at the climate summit. Brown said he will go to the Danish capital if needed to help break the deadlock, and urged fellow leaders including Obama to do likewise.

“We’re not writing anything off; we’re not foreclosing possibilities but we treat this as a ministerial meeting in the first instance,” U.S. envoy Stern said. “We’re not ruling out in the right circumstances some attendance by the president.”

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aNwIRPUrtyrs



Tellingly, Murdoch's The Times are reporting the opposite.

President Obama 'may not attend Copenhagen climate summit'

The prospects of a global deal to tackle climate change diminished tonight after a senior US official played down the chances of President Obama attending December’s UN summit in Copenhagen .

Todd Stern, US Special Envoy for Climate Change, said that President Obama would go to Copenhagen only if sufficient progress was being made in the negotiations.

=snip=

Mr Stern, speaking in London, said: “These meetings are always structured, just as Kyoto, to be held at ministerial level. We are not writing anything off or foreclosing possibilities but we treat this as a ministerial meeting in the first instance and if the kind of progress is made that would warrant the attendance of leaders then certainly we would consider that.”

President Bill Clinton did not attend the Kyoto negotiations in 1997 and the US never signed the Kyoto Protocol.

Read more: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6881557.ece

Soooo, he might or might not go, depending on whether he's needed or not.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 04:05 PM
Response to Original message
1. This on again off again Copenhagen stuff is starting to get very Sarah Palin-ish
sigh
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. Obama does not have much to offer anyway...........



Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject A Reality Check From the Brink of Extinction, Chris Hedges
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6816366#6816366
6816366, A Reality Check From the Brink of Extinction, Chris Hedges
Posted by Echo In Light on Tue Oct-20-09 02:53 PM

<snip>

"The oil and natural gas industry, the coal industry, arms and weapons manufacturers, industrial farms, deforestation industries, the automotive industry and chemical plants will not willingly accept their own extinction. They are indifferent to the looming human catastrophe. We will not significantly reduce carbon emissions by drying our laundry in the backyard and naively trusting the power elite. The corporations will continue to cannibalize the planet for the sake of money. They must be halted by organized and militant forms of resistance. The crisis of global heating is a social problem. It requires a social response.

The United States, after rejecting the Kyoto Protocol, went on to increase its carbon emissions by 20 percent from 1990 levels. The European Union countries during the same period reduced their emissions by 2 percent. But the recent climate negotiations in Bangkok, designed to lead to a deal in Copenhagen in December, have scuttled even the tepid response of Kyoto. Kyoto is dead. The EU, like the United States, will no longer abide by binding targets for emission reductions. Countries will unilaterally decide how much to cut. They will submit their plans to international monitoring. And while Kyoto put the burden of responsibility on the industrialized nations that created the climate crisis, the new plan treats all countries the same. It is a huge step backward.

“All of the so-called solutions to global warming take industrial capitalism as a given,” said Jensen, who wrote “Endgame” and “The Culture of Make Believe.” “The natural world is supposed to conform to industrial capitalism. This is insane. It is out of touch with physical reality. What’s real is real. Any social system—it does not matter if we are talking about industrial capitalism or an indigenous Tolowa people—their way of life, is dependent upon a real, physical world. Without a real, physical world you don’t have anything. When you separate yourself from the real world you start to hallucinate. You believe the machines are more real than real life. How many machines are within 10 feet of you and how many wild animals are within a hundred yards? How many machines do you have a daily relationship with? We have forgotten what is real.”

The latest studies show polar ice caps are melting at a record rate and that within a decade the Arctic will be an open sea during summers. This does not give us much time. White ice and snow reflect 80 percent of sunlight back to space, while dark water reflects only 20 percent, absorbing a much larger heat load. Scientists warn that the loss of the ice will dramatically change winds and sea currents around the world. And the rapidly melting permafrost is unleashing methane chimneys from the ocean floor along the Russian coastline. Methane is a greenhouse gas 25 times more toxic than carbon dioxide, and some scientists have speculated that the release of huge quantities of methane into the atmosphere could asphyxiate the human species. The rising sea levels, which will swallow countries such as Bangladesh and the Marshall Islands and turn cities like New Orleans into a new Atlantis, will combine with severe droughts, horrific storms and flooding to eventually dislocate over a billion people. The effects will be suffering, disease and death on a scale unseen in human history."

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20091019_a_reality_check_from_the_brink_of_extinction /
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Excellent article, thanks for the heads up!
I recommend recommending it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. :-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 07:00 PM
Response to Original message
2. Bullshit corporatemedia "reporting the opposite"
and it's not limited to murdoch, either.

Too many publications are citing "anonymous sources" to reel in the suckers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
excess_3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 08:16 AM
Response to Original message
3. will Congress be in session, during the Copenhagen meeting? nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 01:35 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC