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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 11:27 PM
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'Colombia-US base accord reached'
Source: BBC

Page last updated at 02:58 GMT, Saturday, 15 August 2009 03:58 UK

Colombia says it has completed talks with Washington on allowing US troops to use seven of its military bases.

Under the deal, the US military will be able to operate on Colombian soil to tackle drug-trafficking and terrorism.

A number of South American countries have condemned the plan and Argentina has said the bases are "not helpful".

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has expressed fears the move would amount to preparation for an invasion of his country by US forces.

<snip>

"This agreement reaffirms the commitment of both parties in the fight against drug-trafficking and terrorism," the ministry said in a statement.



Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8202724.stm
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 11:39 PM
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1. Someone better tell Obama. He said we're not asking for 7 bases. n/t
Edited on Fri Aug-14-09 11:40 PM by EFerrari
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BunkerHill24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 11:45 PM
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2. LOL, you read my mind...I was about to say the same thing
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 10:36 AM
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13. Bush legacy is moving forward n/t
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 05:23 AM
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3. Heidi
Heidi

Just wonder, which sovereign country, independent of others want, or allow others to have standing forces on their soil, so they can more or less do what they want, under pretext of fighting drug trafficking and terrorism.. Even when it was a goal like cracking down on drug, and fighting terrorism, who I would say have been the 20 and 21 century's plague for so long..

Is Colombia now an "protectorate" of USA? or still an independent State?

Diclotican
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 07:29 AM
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5. I'm not in favor of the US having mini military empires all over the world.
But to answer your question, the following countries all have US military presence in them: Bulgaria, Ecuador, Germany, Greenland, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Kyrgyzstan, The Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Turkey and the UK.

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 09:25 AM
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7. Take Ecuador off the list of US occupied countries. They just kicked the US military out.
Which, of course, is why the narco-thugs running the US client state of Colombia accuse Ecuador's leftist government of being 'terrorist lovers.' The people of Ecuador have long opposed the U.S. military base at Manta, Ecuador, as a violation of their sovereignty. They've done the long hard work on their democratic institutions that allowed them to elect a president and a government that actually represents the interests of the majority. Ecuador's president, Rafael Correa, promised to evict the U.S. military from the Manta base when its lease was up this year, and he just fulfilled that promise. He said that he would agree to a U.S. military base on Ecuadoran soil when the U.S. allows Ecuador to place a military base in Miami! Very sharp guy (and often funny*)--hated, loathed, demonized and psyoped by our Bushwhacks.

Ecuador's other "crime" is having lots and lots of oil, now in the control of democratic leaders who believe in social justice and government "of, by and for" the people of Ecuador.

You may not have heard of any of this from our corpo/fascist press, but Ecuador is the Bushwhacks' other main target country in their oil war plan for South America-- Venezuela, of course, being no. 1. Both are members of OPEC. Both have lots and lots of oil, with the main oil provinces of both right on Colombia's borders. And both have committed the grave "crime" of electing leftist governments that believe in using the oil profits to benefit the poor.

You think these seven new U.S. military bases in Colombia are about the "war on drugs" and FARC guerillas--whom the Colombia military claims to have defeated and who are now suing for peace? Ha, ha on you. The Bushwhacks--who are still in charge of U.S.-Latin American policy, no matter what Obama says, do not squander $6 BILLION lootable tax dollars on the social good of stopping the drug traffic--in which they have not even made a dent. They have other designs, and they are probably profiting nicely from the drug traffic, as well as from all the latest no-bid military contracts. Nope, the Bushwhacks are squandering $6 BILLION of money we don't have--our children's children's money--on military aid to Colombia alone (not counting the BILLIONS more for U.S. operations at seven new military bases in Colombia) in order to create a launching pad for Oil War II. Chavez is quite right about this, and we had best pay attention and find out as much as we can. Not that we can stop it. We probably can't. But at least we can protest it, and not let it be done in our name without strongly contradicting that lie.

There have already been several test runs of military systems. The US/Colombia bombing/raid on Ecuador early last year was one. The use of a civil war scenario in Bolivia, last September, was another. Correa said there is a three-country civil war plan--Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador. Fascist politicians openly talk of secession in Venezuela's and Ecuador's oil rich provinces, which border Colombia. And of course the Bushwhacks were running the white separatists' civll war eruption in Bolivia, late last year, right out of the U.S. embassy. (--that is why Bolivia's president kicked the US ambassador out of Bolivia.)

Donald Rumsfeld (yup, the very same), in his 12/1/07 op-ed in the Washington Post (a year after he resigned from the Pentagon), entitled "The Smart Way to Defeat Tyrants Like Chavez," suggested this scenario, when he urged "swift action" by the US in support of (Bushwhack) "friends and allies" in South America. I believe he was talking about the fascists within these countries, who are plotting secessionist insurrections. And, sure enough, nine months later, this scenario was played out in Bolivia. (What was Rumsfeld doing, interesting himself in another oil source, a year after his retirement?)

I said that we probably can't stop it. And I'm afraid that's true. But the South Americans are not stupid, and they are increasingly well-organized, well-coordinated and determined to protect each other's sovereignty, and their common goals of peace, democracy and social justice. When Morales threw the US ambassador (and the DEA--also collusive) out of Bolivia last year, Chile's president, Michele Batchelet, called an emergency meeting of the newly formalized South American "common market," UNASUR, and backed up Morales 100%. Brazil has called for a common defense. Brazil's president has said that the Bushwhacks' reconstitution of the US 4th Fleet in the Caribbean is a threat to Brazil's oil fields. (Everybody south of the border knows that it is a threat to Venezuela, whose main oil reserves are on its Caribbean coast, adjacent to Colombia).

So there is hope. Our job, as US citizens, is to expose these facts as well as we can, to understand the demonization of Chavez (and of Correa) for what it is--pre-war psyops--to understand events like the recent rightwing coup in Honduras (--a Bushwhack operation, involving John McCain, John Negroponte and others, to first of all retain Honduras as a strategic US military location, with a US military base--that the ousted president, Zelaya, wanted to convert to a commercial airport--a long coast on the Caribbean and access to the Pacific), and to warn our own people, so they won't be totally flabbergasted to find themselves in another oil war.

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*(When Correa was running for president, and was asked about Hugo Chavez's remark to the UN that Bush is "the devil," he replied that it was "an insult to the devil." He'd been running neck and neck with Ecuador's richest banana magnate. His numbers soared after this remark. I don't know how much this reply was responsible for it, but Correa won big, by nearly 60% of the vote.)
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The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 03:29 PM
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19. Peace Patriot – Very nice brief!
As always well written, concise and too the point.

Thank you!
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:48 PM
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26. Peace Patriot
Peace Patriot

Wil answer later - it is just to late to write at this moment...

Diclotican
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 09:30 AM
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8. Honduras, Cuba n/t
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 09:44 AM
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9. I knew I'd miss some. Thank you!
And now, as noted upthread, Colombia. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8202724.stm
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 09:51 AM
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10. althought the difference is the US controls and operates the bases in other countries
the Colombian bases remain Colombian with the US using them for staging areas or whatever.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 09:53 AM
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11. Here's another link which has more information:
More than 1000 US Bases and/or Military Installations

The main sources of information on these military installations (e.g. C. Johnson, the NATO Watch Committee, the International Network for the Abolition of Foreign Military Bases) reveal that the US operates and/or controls between 700 and 800 military bases Worldwide.

In this regard, Hugh d’Andrade and Bob Wing's 2002 Map 1 entitled "U.S. Military Troops and Bases around the World, The Cost of 'Permanent War'", confirms the presence of US military personnel in 156 countries.

The US Military has bases in 63 countries. Brand new military bases have been built since September 11, 2001 in seven countries.

In total, there are 255,065 US military personnel deployed Worldwide.

These facilities include a total of 845,441 different buildings and equipments. The underlying land surface is of the order of 30 million acres. According to Gelman, who examined 2005 official Pentagon data, the US is thought to own a total of 737 bases in foreign lands. Adding to the bases inside U.S. territory, the total land area occupied by US military bases domestically within the US and internationally is of the order of 2,202,735 hectares, which makes the Pentagon one of the largest landowners worldwide (Gelman, J., 2007).
More:
http://www.votersforpeace.us/press/index.php?itemid=1751
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 10:25 AM
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12. Thank you, Judi Lynn.
Profoundly depressing but very much worth knowing.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:34 PM
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24. Which of those countries give impunity to US soldiers?
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:46 PM
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25. Heidi
Heidi

Yes I know about the Lot of bases in foreign soil, who the US armed forces had. In germany and Japans case, it have mutch witht he end of the World War two, and in both cases the unwillingness to spend the necessary money after both of them was more or less squeezed under the war.. For Italy, The Netherlands, Portugal, Spain and Trky it have everything with the cold war, and it have not been without their share of resistance from the public - noe even in Japan the military control over Okinawa, who still partly is under US military control the Japanese public have going sour after many Americans who have committed violent criminal acts have been transfered to other places in the world, rather than stand trial for their acts in Japan - even soldiers who have killed children have been send of base before they could stand trial in Japan.. And in the very few cases where american soldier did have been stand trial by japanese trial, the power to try get them of the hock have been enormous - because the US military doesn't like the idea of their soldier stand trial in foreign land even allied country like Japan is

Greenland as I know it still part of the Kingdom of Denmark - and have been that since Denmark managed to steal both Greenland and Iceland from Norway in the Divorce of 1814... Where Sweden got Norway, because the help Sweden was given the Allied to stop Napoleon Bonaparte under the Napoleon wars.. Even with the "self-rule" Greenland have today, they still are part of Denmark, and is subject to Danish law and regulations.. But Yes, Greenland have US pres sense that is true, but Greenland is _not_ an independent state as of now - maybe in the future, but not now..

The UK have had US military forces for a long time, since World War two, and even as the bases is closing down they are still very much part of many communities, who is rather depended of the military bases. In the Cold war it was an important part of the cold war, with nuclear weapon on bombers an the lot..

When it came to the former Eastern European and former Soviet republics, I would guess both Kyrgyzstan and Bulgaria will in due time understand that even with the fact that US is more friendly than the former Russian forcer's, it is much the same, and they will know when they have to play ball or make the consequnses... US have interfered more than once in internal affair, both by the sheer number of soldiers on bases, to the fact that "black operatives" have worked from the bases.. Yes today Bulgaria, Romania, Kyrgyzstan might have a place in he sun - as part of the "new europe" as mr Rumsfelds once talked about - but US have never put soldiers on foreign soil, without a prize tag.

The presence of soldiers in South Korea have everything with the Korean War between 1950 and 1953 - and it have formally never ended but just in a stalemate and artitiche.. And I guess the South Koreans still are pretty happy about the presence of 37.000 american soldiers on their soil, even that some protesters lately have given both the government of South Korea, and USA some problems... But for the most parts, as I know it, south koreans seen to have faith in US presence in South Korea. North Korea are still to dangerous to be let alone..

Diclotican
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 10:42 AM
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14. Colombia is a weak country with a big inferiority complex
where drug lords have done more for the poor than the government and the rich elites, can't imagine that Pablo Escobar could build more houses for the people in need while the government was killing leftist.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 07:14 AM
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4. Guess this means FARC's offer to talk to the govt of Columbia will be taken off the table
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4012989

or does the "CIA need a bigger cut in the drug trade"
:tinfoilhat:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 08:30 AM
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6. Religious and Grassroots Leaders Urge Clinton to Suspend Military Base Talks With Colombia
Religious and Grassroots Leaders Urge Clinton to Suspend Military Base Talks With Colombia
Bases deal “presents enormous dangers for entire hemisphere”

NATIONWIDE - August 13 - Over one hundred religious, national, community organizations and leaders and academics today called on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to "suspend negotiations for expanded U.S. military access or operations in Colombia," a plan that has generated a swell of protest among Latin American countries, including Colombia, the largest recipient of U.S. military aid in the hemisphere.

"It is rational for regional leaders to see the installation of several U.S. military sites in Colombia as a potential threat to their security," the groups said, because of U.S. support for trans-border attacks from Colombia, reported violations of the expiring base agreement with Ecuador, a Pentagon statement that it seeks access for "contingency operations" in the region, and the painful history of U.S. military intervention in Latin America and the Caribbean.

"To broaden relationships with South America and value respect for human rights, the United States should not create a fortress in Colombia in concert with the region's worst rights violators, the Colombian military," the letter said.

Signatories included 20 national religious organizations and leaders and 32 U.S. peace and human rights groups, as well as community organizations, academics, and international NGOs.

The leaders wrote to Clinton as many South American presidents have expressed opposition to the increased U.S. military presence in Colombia. Brazilian President Lula da Silva urged President Obama to joined presidents from the South American Union to discuss the issue later this month in Buenos Aires, and Venezuela President Hugo Chavez said that "the winds of war are blowing" because of the plan for U.S. troops to operate in seven Colombian bases.

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2009/08/13-16
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 11:19 AM
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15. Anything that gets under Hugo Chavez's skin can't be all bad
For that reason alone, I'll give this move a :thumbsup:
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 11:33 AM
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16. Latin Americans don't have the right to be independent and free
that is reserved for us only.

:eyes:
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 11:35 AM
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17. Hugo shouldn't have fucked with the golf courses
That was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. Maybe our B-52 pilots can yell "fore!" just before they carpet bomb Caracas!

:rofl:
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 11:47 AM
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18. oh well, let the B-52 stain my hands with more blood
killing more people for oil
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 04:00 PM
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20. Bombs away, baby!
:nuke:

:hi:
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:07 AM
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21. McCain are you there?
:rofl:
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 05:33 PM
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22. Chavez says Obama "lost in space" on Latin America ( danger Danger Will Robinson ! )


CARACAS (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama is "lost in the Andromeda" galaxy on Latin American policy, his chief critic in the region, Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez, said on Sunday, while demanding the closure of U.S. military bases.
Last week Obama said critics of U.S. involvement in Latin America who are now asking Washington to do more to restore the ousted president of Honduras "can't have it both ways."
"We are not asking you to intervene in Honduras, Obama. On the contrary, we are asking that "the empire" get its hands off Honduras and get its claws out of Latin America," Chavez said in a rambling weekly television and radio show.

"President Obama is lost in the Andromeda Nebula, he has lost his bearings, he doesn't get it," he said

Chavez repeated an accusation that the United States had prior knowledge of the coup that deposed Honduran President Manuel Zelaya on June 28 and the military plane that flew Zelaya out of the country had used a U.S. base in Honduras

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Obama has promised to improve U.S. relations with Latin America. U.S. officials say his administration will put more effort into ties with the region to counter Chavez's growing influence. The leftist Venezuelan leader is furious, however, at a U.S. security agreement with Colombia that will give the Pentagon access to seven Colombian military bases. Chavez has cut trade with his neighbor as a reprisal.

Venezuela is planning to beef up its army by buying tanks and other weapons from Russia, Chavez said, adding that his country needs to be prepared for an attack.

The United States and Colombia say the deal is an expansion of an existing accord and will help fight drug traffickers and guerrillas involved in the Colombian cocaine trade. Chavez says a larger U.S. troop presence risks sparking war in the region.

Chavez claims the United States wants to control Venezuela's huge oil reserves as well as the Amazon region. "This is just the start of an imperial military expansion," Chavez said of the U.S.-Colombian security arrangement.

Chavez asked Obama to withdraw U.S. forces from the Palmerola air base in Honduras (also known as Soto Cano) and from Guantanamo Bay which the U.S. Navy has used as a base in Cuba for over a century.

"Until when? Get with it, Obama -- get with it, brother," Chavez said.


http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE57F24620090816


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