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NewAgeThinker Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:52 PM
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Racist Web Posts Traced to Homeland Security
Source: NY Times

After federal border agents detained several Mexican immigrants in western New York in June, an article about the incident in a local newspaper drew an onslaught of vitriolic postings on its Web site. Some were racist. Others attacked farmers in the region, an apple-growing area east of Rochester, accusing them of harboring illegal workers. Still others made personal attacks about the reporter who wrote the article.

Most of the posts were made anonymously. But in reviewing the logs of its Internet server, the paper, The Wayne County Star in Wolcott, traced three of them to Internet protocol addresses at the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees border protection.

Coming on the eve of the apple harvest season, the Web posts and the investigation first reported this week on The Stars Web site have ratcheted up longstanding tensions in Wayne County, where farmers and laborers have accused immigration officials of using heavy-handed tactics like racial profiling and arbitrary or unjustified detentions.

The newspaper removed the posts. It also reported that it had discovered others, dating to last year, that appeared to have come from computers affiliated with Homeland Security.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/nyregion/25immig.html...



I would say this qualifies as very interesting!

So the server discovered other posts as well dating back to last year from other computers, plural, orginating from DHS.
That statement right there makes this sound like it was an official project of some sort, rather than just the DHS having employed several employes from several computers affiliated with DHS.

That alone shows a trend, not an isolated occurence.
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tj2001 Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:59 PM
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1. The Bush regime put thousands of RW moles on the civil service payroll
They need to be exposed.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:13 PM
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19. Regular old
end times fascist bigots. Birthers, too, most likely.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:05 PM
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2. Color me shocked.
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sarah FAILIN Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 02:03 PM
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10. I'm not shocked at all
My neighbors are with Homeland Security. They never go anywhere but Mass, the rest of the time they're on the computers in their office . They're pretty opinionated too so it wouldn't surprise me if they were hitting chat rooms.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:10 PM
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3. USA,USA,USA.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:12 PM
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4. Gotta feed the hate
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 02:09 PM
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11. Yeah, they're becoming impatient for those "civil eruptions" to start. nt
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:13 PM
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5. The sounds like a case for ---- Homeland Security.
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:17 PM
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6. Racist webposts coming from the Dept. of Fatherland ..errr.....
Homeland Security?

What a shocker!

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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:29 PM
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7. Have to protect the Mother -- er -- homeland.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:36 PM
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8. Well, if we're looking forward when it comes to shredding the Constitution and international
treaties, writing torture memos and conducting torture, we should probably send people who posted stuff on messages boards to the penitentary for life, I guess. One makes as much sense as the other.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:51 PM
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9. Welcome to DU. Homeland Security would make Joseph Goebbels proud.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 02:13 PM
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12. Homelander trolls...
I wonder, is this just a bunch of freeps who happen to work at DHS misusing their government computers to post racist hate speech? (If that's not a firing offense, it almost certainly would warrant an internal investigation and some kind of disciplinary action.) I could see a lot of "patriotic" RW types going to work for the DHS, and even informally organizing themselves to freep certain articles, so this is pretty plausible to me.

However, I think we are obligated to consider the possibility that DHS actually has people out on the web doing this stuff. We now know that the DoD was paying ex-generals to push its viewpoint on TV, and it would be a lot cheaper and easier to have employees post comments on web boards to influence discussions, shout down dissenters, and generally intimidate people. I would be lying if I said it hadn't occurred to me before. In fact, there are certain sub-forums on this very site where apparent "professionals" seem to pop up and poison every discussion.

On the other hand, if this were part of an official program, you would think they would be smart enough to buy some IP addresses and set up a proxy to mask their identity. It's not rocket science, right?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:01 PM
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17. I know a lot of people at DHS and I suspect that "freepers who happen
to work at DHS" are the most likely suspects.

Those I know have worked there since before DHS existed..(US Customs folk)and they are just like, you know, regular Americans. Some are Democrats, some Republicans, most pay no attention to politics at all. . .
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:19 PM
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20. Thanks! I'm actually leaning that way myself.
The blatant racism and the inability to cover their tracks make me think dumb freepers (oxymoron? :D ).

I just think it's important to consider all possibilities, even if some of them are horrible.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:44 PM
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24. "dumb freepers" = redundancy. . . .n/t
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 05:39 PM
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33. doh! n/t
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:33 PM
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21. I'm not so sure.
At least one of the posts doesn't sound like a freeper...

"Another post, apparently sent from a separate computer linked to Homeland Security, read in part: These farmers have a problem because the gravy train that they were riding for soooooo long is being brought to light.

When the hell have freepers ever complained about cheap labor?

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 11:02 AM
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50. Whenever it suits them. I doubt foolish inconsistency is an issue for them.
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 08:11 PM
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38. Our Tax Dollars At Work!
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Fainter Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 06:11 PM
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53. Here's Another Confirmed Example Involving Corps Of Engineers in re Katrina ...
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 11:03 AM
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57. Wow. Nice find! n/t
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ScottLand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 02:24 PM
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13. Manufactured unrest
This is like the kid on the bus that starts the fight and then watches from the back. You'd think Homeland Security would already have enough to do.
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 02:25 PM
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14. It's sort of like "The Grapes of Wrath".
Only the Okies are Mexicans, and the hostile locals are Homeland Security.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 02:31 PM
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15. Gee, racist thugs working for Homeland Security? Who'da thunk.
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 02:41 PM
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16. Can't figure simple Computer Security.... Yet we trust these idots with our LIVES ?
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:02 PM
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18. You can bet a lot of anti-Obama stuff is coming out from them too.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:34 PM
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22. Now we know.
Time to take names and kick ass. Clean out HS and open up jobs for Americans who believe in the Constitution and take the security of the USA seriously. Cheney zombies still stalk the unsuspecting. Clean House! :kick:
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 11:32 AM
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58. Clean out HS? Forget that, just get rid of it.
The damned fascist name is reason enough.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 01:29 PM
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59. I like your idea better.
:hi:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:34 PM
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23. They had a rash of meat packing plants being hit. It would be good to list at the
sources in the areas where these raids took place.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:48 PM
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25. My neck of the woods
Two counties over. I had no idea that was even going on. Thanks for jacking up racial tension in my neighborhood, Homeland Security weirdos. :eyes:
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OswegoAtheist Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:52 AM
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48. Greetings from Oswego!
When I first moved here, I was driving around the city, trying to get myself oriented. When I drove by the Customs building by Fort Ontario, there was a fair-sized group of people protesting there re: the treatment of illegal immigrants in Border Patrol's custody. This is not just a Florida-Texas-California occurance; anywhere you have agriculture as a major industry, you'll find this sort of conflict always simmering.

Oswego "Funny, I'm an immigrant, and no one ever asks to see my green card" Atheist
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 11:24 AM
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52. Hi OA! Welcome to DU!
:toast:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:53 PM
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26. Welcome to DU.
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buckrogers1965 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 04:04 PM
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27. Astroturfing.
Edited on Sat Jul-25-09 04:06 PM by buckrogers1965
The organized message that the extreme right wing promotes across the Internet on any particular day is actually scary. Talking points and phrases are identical on extreme posts on news stories on thousands of web sites. Some stories are hit by blizzard of negative posts in just a few minutes and then they shift onto another site.

But I don't think they are paid to be hateful. I think it just comes naturally to them.

I think a lot of these attacks against web sites is organized on the freeper site and other sites of their "ilk." There are also things like megaphone that the neocons use to promote a particular agenda, and it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the same DHS computers that are posting to specific sites are running megaphone.

It would be interesting to see what the fallout of blocking access to megaphone on government computers would be.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 04:11 PM
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28. Welcome to DU, NewAgeThinker!
Way to make an entrance...! :hi:
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 04:16 PM
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29. Racism is alive and well in the USA
Having Obama as President doesn't change it. If I'm surprised about anything, it's that they were caught.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 04:18 PM
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30. "Classist."
:think:
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 04:18 PM
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31. and sadly the current administration will not push for any investigation
just as they have protected and paid off the rest of the criminals
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 05:07 PM
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32. If there are moles, then Obama and his surrogates must root them out.
Why is he keeping all these infiltrators? They are not good for the country, so they need to go. Being a nice person is okay to a point and then it becomes untenable... and well, un-good.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 06:24 PM
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34. Have you seen those DU poster that come in pairs
very suspicious folks, sometimes they show up with a supervisor.

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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 06:30 PM
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35. Our hard earned tax dollars at work.. against us that is. nt
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kevsters Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 07:10 PM
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36. Speaking of Racist stuff...
One of the more racist things I have heard in a while was something Mika Brzezinski said yesterday on morning Joe.

Here is the clip.

http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2288
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tooeyeten Donating Member (441 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 07:51 PM
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37. more than interesting
These people have problems when they are stupid enough to use government computers to spread their crazy racism, they are more than ignorant.
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 08:19 PM
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39. No surprise if DHS, border patrol attract an uncommon number....
of racists and xenophobes, just as it's no suprise if police forces and infantry include an uncommon proportion of thuggish types.
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The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 08:31 PM
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40. Our government at work!
It makes no difference regarding the political party. The agenda remains the same.

Control.

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PainPerdu Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 09:14 PM
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41. It's a riddle
Ever notice that those obsessed with controlling others apparently have little or no ability (or intention) to control themselves?
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The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 09:42 PM
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42. Sociopathic personalities
that become recruited into a machine.

I dont consider those personalities particularly dangerous, as individuals they are easily identified.

I consider the machine very dangerous.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 09:59 PM
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43. Fire anyone who sent a single one.
Edited on Sat Jul-25-09 09:59 PM by Seldona
It's not like they can't trace who sent what. If they can't, they need new IT people.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 10:05 PM
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44. Golly gee. I wonder if DHS has trolls that post on other sites...
Edited on Sat Jul-25-09 10:07 PM by Raster
...say, liberal or progressive or, uh, sites with definite democratic leanings?

I wonder how many of the conspiracy smearist trolls in the 9/11 dungeon are on the DHS payroll? "...we ain't got no conspiracy here, no sir..."
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 11:21 PM
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45. This is easy enough to understand....
They threw the borders open to do a number of things...first to create a problem and a need for more "security" and a loss of more civil rights.
It is also a handy dandy excuse to have more NWO armed thugs running around the country.
It also is a great excuse to have to build walls and fences, not to keep people out like you might think..but to keep Americans in.
It is also a great excuse to demand your papers.
It will be harder for Americans to escape the camps if the borders are all locked down tight when they come to round us up for our "flu" shots.
They are sending out hate messages to keep the project going.
Nothing has happened to changed the rise of the NWO. It is still business as usual.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 11:25 PM
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46. Homeland Security?
:rofl:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 12:09 AM
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47. Ugh, these FASCISTS need to be purged out of the government. Post Hate!
Edited on Sun Jul-26-09 12:10 AM by Odin2005
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 09:52 AM
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49. Homeland Security should never have come into being


a bunch of gargoyles and dragons

gargoyles used to scare people and dragons used to gather and protect neo con valuables

their den here in Key West is surrounded by a tall black iron fence
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 11:05 AM
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51. IMO, the FBI and CIA and anything else of similar function should have been combined.
The Secret Service may be an exception to that, but maybe not.

We have too much duplication, waste, loyalty to agency, rather than to country, etc.
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KurtB Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 11:07 PM
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54. Same in canada
Nothing new here, members of the Canadian Human Rights Commission were outed for posting hateful messages on Neo-Nazi web sites using purloined addresses. Seems there wasnt enough hate being posted.
Neo-Nazi hate, courtesy of the CHRC
By Ezra Levant, National Post (Canada)
July 15, 2009
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 07:42 AM
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55. It's easy for anyone or group to infiltrate any widely read internet forum and spread propaganda.
Source material can be a mixture of facts and carefully worded speculation supporting or opposing a divisive, polarizing issue.

Among the more successful face-offs is between the Violence Policy Center versus National Rifle Association. Some of their supporters spread false rumors at internet speed and even the venerable Snope group is powerless to rebut such lies.

Now that the MSM is dying, I can no longer reply on it for even a modicum of credible reporting.

MSM is being replaced by anyone who can write her/his own rumor bolstered with a few facts hoping to attract internet surfers to visit one of the advertisers on their web page and earn a few pennies.

I support freedom of speech and freedom of the press but IMO emerging communication technology places a tremendous burden on each individual of We the Power to separate fact from malicious fiction.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 10:43 AM
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56. That burden was and is always there, but over the past 100 years or so, the people
outsourced their critical thinking skills to the corporations.

The corporations naturally abused their power; "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" or something like that, in pursuit of a corporate supremacy agenda over the American People, now the people are regaining their long lost power, and naturally with that enhancement comes the increased burden of separating fact from fiction but I believe this will only serve to make the people stronger.

I also believe some elements posting outlandish or hate-filled propaganda would be doing so at the behest of the dying one way, top down corporate media model and or corporate supremacist supporters as a means of undermining or weakening the American Peoples' reinvigorated First Amendment Powers via the mass, two way Internet.
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