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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:44 PM
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Michael Jackson Dies
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 05:19 PM by Lithos
Source: TMZ

We've just learned Michael Jackson has died. He was 50.

Michael suffered a cardiac arrest earlier this afternoon and paramedics were unable to revive him.

Michael is survived by three children: Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr., Paris Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince "Blanket" Michael Jackson II.

Jackson had 13 number one hits during his solo career.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-chat/


Also confirmed by LA Times

Michael Jackson dead
2:06 PM | June 25, 2009


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/06/pop-star-michael-jackson-was-rushed-to-a-hospital-this-afternoon-by-los-angeles-fire-department-paramedics--capt-steve-ruda.html
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:45 PM
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1. CNN not reporting it
Am watching now
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:47 PM
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12. TMZ seems to have been at the forefront on this
CNN took about 30 minutes to report.
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kayla9170 Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:55 PM
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39. NO FREAKING WAY!!!!!!
This is Killing Me!! I am so sad right now. I am a BIG M. J. Fan and I do not know how to handle this, FOR REAL!!! RIP Michael and for all the GOOD you had done and gave to the world. Screw all the Michael Jackson haters right now. The greatest entertainer in the World in my LIFETIME, has passed!!!!

LOVE YOU MICHAEL>>>>>>>>

Monica
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:24 PM
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112. Welcome to DU. Sorry it has to be on a day like this for you.
Dang. What a day.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:29 PM
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128. NBC News now confirms.
About 3:29pm L.A. time.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #39
152. my condolences, Monica
He had a wonderful gift for music, and touched many people, his fans like you. I hope he will be remembered for his music, and not the tabloid circuses that seemed to follow him around.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:23 PM
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212. Micheal Jackson -Just two month's shy of 51 years old (Aug, 29th 1958)
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 06:42 PM by LaPera
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:48 PM
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235. .
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 06:53 PM by BrightKnight
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #39
415. RIP to the King of Pop...
What a talented, creative mind he was.
Positive thoughts and prayers for his children and family members who are grieving.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:36 PM
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453. Indeed... he WAS the king of pop n/t
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #39
514. Welcome to DU!



:toast:
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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #39
585. I feel you. I'm a big fan of his too. Even met him once. He was one of the sweetest people ever.
SO misunderstood. And I hope all the people who trashed him relentlessly most of his life feel really bad right now.

He will always live on through his music and all he's given to the world. I just feel so sad for his kids. :(


RIP, Michael. You will NEVER be forgotten!
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:54 PM
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35. MSNBC either. n.t
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:23 PM
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104. Shuster on MSNBC is saying the LA Times has confirmed his death
RIP Michael.

:cry:
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:24 PM
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107. MSNBC is now reporting it. nt
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 09:40 PM
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499. Sorry, his death leaves me cold.
I'm reserving my compassion for people who need it. Michael Jackson had a crappy upbringing, but at some point you take responsibility for yourself or suffer the consequences. He chose not to, and this is the result. He brought it on himself. And while he was never convicted of child molestation, his relationships with young boys were at the very least suspicious. Perhaps the children he bought, and pretended were his own, will have a chance at a normal life now, although it's probably too late for that.
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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 09:00 AM
Response to Reply #499
574. Now is not the time friend.
Let those of us who grew up with The Gloved One mourn the man today.

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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #499
579. You know-compassion is like love; done right and there is an infinite
supply, so it is never really necessary to parse it out. However, if you feel it necessary to pass judgment, so be it then. The problem with this is that it never affects the person it is intended for-you apparently have some anger for MJ, but he'll never know about it-just you, and I do think that anger is cumulative.
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kegler14 Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #499
586. I think you should have been more of an ass in your post.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 07:20 AM
Response to Reply #499
606. Michael didn't bring an early death on himself, you bastard.
Edited on Sun Jun-28-09 07:27 AM by Ken Burch
Could you at least wait 'til he's IN the grave before you piss on it?

P.S., you were obviously cold BEFORE he was dead. No human being with any morality or compassion reacts to a death like that. You should be ashamed.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:45 PM
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2. I wonder who gets his kids.
God knows what they had to endure.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:48 PM
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15. His will says they get buried with him.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:50 PM
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20. Do they have to die first? nt
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:52 PM
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27. Silly.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #15
33. Seriously... what the fuck.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. I don't know, what the fuck?
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:00 PM
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53. The fuck is that it is inappropriate to joke about someone who has just died.
That's what the fuck is. Understand now?
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #53
88. Gallows humor.
Nothing new and nothing strange.
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:38 PM
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Gallows humor refers to those IN life or death circumstances...
...not those commenting on OTHER'S life or death circumstances.

just sayin'
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:44 PM
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150. Turns out
you're completely right. I stand corrected. :hi:
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downindixie Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #150
454.  One less pedophile to worry about!
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #53
110. That is an opinion.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #53
226. it is inappropriate to joke about someone who has just died
People also must earn respect. Fuck!
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #53
236. Like all the jokes about dead repugs on this site? n/t
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National Steel 27 Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #236
246. Jackson was a joke while he was alive. nt
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #246
489. Told by Grade D Comedians
With No Skill.

I'm looking at you, Blue Collar Comedy tour...
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #246
580. Sure he was, as evidenced by the thousands of people
that are gathering all over the country to mourn his passing and the millions all over the world quietly observing his passing or the 24-7 media coverage he is getting and will get over the next couple of days. I am still curious why it is necessary to denigrate an individual that has passed away. He was monstrously talented and relentlessly eccentric, but he was not a joke (or if he was, perhaps to a small group with an ongoing agenda)
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #236
253. Oh, well...that's 'different'
One thing there's no shortage of around here is hypocrisy.
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #53
250. What's the statute of limitations for joking about a dead scumbag?
A week? A month? We need to know so we don't like offend anybody.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #250
256. I heard it was 3 business days. n/t
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #256
262. Okay, lessee...this is Wednesday...
shit, that moves it up to next Monday!
:grr: :eyes: :silly: :mad: :puke: :D
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #262
268. "3 business days" was from a popular post in which it was announced Cheney would be indicted. n/t
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #268
412. Yes. Jason the stupid shit. I do recall, actually.
:D
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #268
517. I think it was the Karl Rove thing...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1181478
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
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why do you say that he was a 'scumbag?'
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 07:27 PM by RoccoR5955
Was there anything proven about this behavior that you profess?

He was a pioneer. He was the first person to break the color barrier on MTV. His videos were ahead of their time. His musical career, was impressive. A childhood star who grew up to become an adult star is an accomplishment.

Hey, he never shot anyone in the face, or lied about getting us into war like some REAL scumbags we all know of, so give it a rest.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:31 PM
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414. Deleted message
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #414
485. He was aquitted of any charges, and in this country...
...it's INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. If a jury couldn't find him guilty, there is no reason for you to state what you have. If you want guilty until proven innocent, MOVE TO FRANCE!!!!!

Hey, we all listened to his music, and watched his videos years ago. Michael Jackson was a part of my younger days. Probably your's too. Now unless you are a bigot, and hated him because he was black, than give it a rest!
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shellgame26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #250
490. you stink
Gawd. What a pathetic asshole you are. Is your life so empty that you have to shit on the dead? Let me answer that for you. YES.

Get a life creep!
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #250
516. Does that mean we can joke about you now?
LOL
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #53
264. Thank you!
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 07:49 PM by Kajsa
You would think it is common sense knowledge.

Screw it,

The unhappy campers aren't happy unless they are
trashing someone.

:(
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:32 PM
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417. Deleted sub-thread
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InfiniteThoughts Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #15
533. that is not funny ...
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 11:20 PM by InfiniteThoughts
maybe you don't know but there was a practice in India long time back when the widows were burnt alive with their husbands either by choice or by force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice))

farewell, king of pop ... your music work was outstanding .. your work on social causes matched music work ... would have been amazing if your personality matched either of these traits ...
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #2
86. I hope that the mother of the older two gets them
and will raise them in a more normal way. I hope she gets all three, so they can stay together.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #2
164. Do YOU know what his children had to "endure"?, if anything?
jesus fucking christ.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #164
234. Nope, but pedophiles
rarely stop, my comment acknowledged that no one knows what theose kids suffered.

The kids obviously weren't genetically his, not that such a relationship would prevent abuse.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #234
240. he was not a pedophile...unfortunately, sneddon and his ilk destroyed his career by accusing
and never proving..especially, during the bogus second trial..its like the wmd in iraq...once it is in peoples minds, difficult to remove..RIP Michael...
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #240
266. He was not convicted
but he paid $20m to prevent a civil trial. Even for Jackson, that was quite damning.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #266
419. Agree . . . .
and one of my first reactions today was that I hope they one day get his father . . .

presume he's still alive?
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #234
434. was he ever convicted of pedophilia? huh?
let me answer that for you- NO!

"oh- he's wierd... he's just not NORMAL!?!?"

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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #434
460. If Bush is never convicted of being a war criminal
that will not lessen his guilt one iota.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #460
497. ah- but Bush will never be acquitted, either- like Michael was, will he?
and last i checked "acquitted" means NOT GUILTY by a jury of his peers...

your's is a stupid example
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #497
506. And I will point out that "not guilty" is not "innocent."
It merely refers to the balance of evidence seen by the jury. The cops who beat Rodney King were acquitted as well. Are they innocent in your eyes?
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #506
588. No you didn't go there.
Please. And second, in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. He was not proven guilty, therefore, by definition alone, he is innocent.
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #460
525. unlike the war criminal George Bush..Jackson faced a jury of his peers: innocent !
accusations and gossip sadly however still pronounce guilt.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #525
537. Not guilty is not innocent. nt
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #434
503. Does not being convicted mean it never happened? n/t
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 04:51 AM
Response to Reply #434
549. And OJ wasn't convicted of murder, either.
Doesn't mean he didn't do it.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:03 PM
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527. His kids have a godfather. He will take them.
He also said that Micheal was a great father to his kids.
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janedum Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 04:12 PM
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594. The 3rd child, "Blanket" isn't Debby Rowe's ... I hope
I hope he gets adopted into a NORMAL family.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:46 PM
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3. It's coming up on TV now
Only 50.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:46 PM
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4. Unconfirmed, I think.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:46 PM
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5. Current news reporting it. Condolences to his family.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:47 PM
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8. Reliable news sources are reporting it?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:50 PM
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21. Fox in Tampa..."reliable"? I guess reliable enough, much as I hate them.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:52 PM
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26. Self Delete--Reuters is not reporting it.
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 04:58 PM by Mrs. Overall
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:56 PM
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42. No, only if they report it from Aruba.
Did Geraldo file the report?
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #5
136. I might withhold any for his dad
but condolences for the rest of them.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:46 PM
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6. wickepedia has it now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:48 PM
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17. Here's what I see at the link
Michael Joseph Jackson (born August 29, 1958) is an American recording artist...
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:45 PM
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153. Wow. Checked repeatedly and it just changed for me now.
"Michael Joseph Jackson (August 29, 1958–June 25, 2009<2>) was an American recording artist..."

You got a computer that sees slightly into the future?
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:46 PM
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7. May he finally find some peace. nt
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:04 PM
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59. Yes. Finally.
:(
rocktivity
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:47 PM
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9. reminiscent of Elvis' death...
both were preparing for a big tour...

hate to say it but i think it will be found that MJ, like Elvis, OD'd.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:23 PM
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269. Vaya con Dios, Michael, Peace.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:37 PM
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420. Circumstance, agree . . . sounds like that's being developed now . . .
"prescription" - people around him abetted?

However, given the talent, they were probably somewhat equal.

Given sentiment, I don't think that's going to be clear.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:58 PM
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437. "given sentiment"
let us also recall Elvis shacking up with underage Priscilla....

i think they started dating when she was 14.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:45 PM
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462. No . . . I meant simply outpouring of sentiment . . ..
and I think in that regard it will always be John Lennon.

I do recall that Priscilla was living in the Presley household when she was very young.
Did she ever say that a sexual relationship was consummated when she was 14?
I think she has written about some of this and is rather truthful?
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:55 PM
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473. from what i remember reading
the sexual relationship was consummated early on.

but then, Jerry Lee had already set the bar by marrying 13-year-old Cousin Myra.

re the outpouring of sentiment... i agree with you on Lennon. murdered in the second prime of his life by a whacko.

i think the comparison to Elvis' death will color a lot of the sentiment over MJ's death, once the autopsy results are in. from some of the tabloid articles it looks like the same thing... nervous before a big tour, and over-self-medicating. i am beginning to think it was not an intentional OD.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 09:00 PM
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474. No . . . I think Priscilla said that there was . . .
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 09:01 PM by defendandprotect
heavy petting but no actual consummation until they were married --

and evidently that was to say the least rather frustrating for her.

Additionally, after conception - that was the end of sexual relations.

Also -- don't think Lennon was offed by a "whacko" anymore than JFK was . . .

looks like there was a "new employee/CIA" in the guard booth who did the

shooting - crime behind the crime, as usual.

There's an interesting film on this -- probably at your library.

Something like FBI vs Lennon -- ??
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 09:47 PM
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502. re your comments on Lennon...
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 09:52 PM by musette_sf
that is interesting... i just did a little surfing on this. i'm not yet convinced of the possibility of that particular confluence at that particular point in time. but i'll have to read up a bit more. That Family has tentacles everywhere.

i usually don't discuss this in newsgroups, but i actually *do* think there was more to Lennon's death than a "lone whacko".

one of the theories was in Al Goldman's book, "The Lives of John Lennon".

i think we can agree that it's possible that Chapman was a dupe... the question is, whose dupe?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:06 PM
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510. Not f amiliar with the Al Goldman book on Lennon . . .
but I'd highly recommend that you see the film/documentary on Nixon/FBI/CIA vs John Lennon . . .
and needless to say they would have been anxious to get him out of the way with Reagan coming in.

Musicians/artists have great power to move populations -- and especially someone like
John Lennon --

IMAGINE -- !!!
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Lorax7844 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 12:04 AM
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538. Yoko always says "they killed him"
She says that they were constantly threaten and wiretapped. I believe her.
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:47 PM
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10. Also reported by Reuters (as quoted by Sky News UK)
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:59 PM
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46. Not on the Reuters breaking news website yet. Only that he is hospitalized.
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sledgehammer Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:00 PM
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49. But Sky News is quoting TMZ, so it all comes down to the same source
TMZ has been pretty correct though on most celebrity reporting.
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:23 PM
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105. Doesn't matter now, I know, but Sky quoted TMZ and then Reuters earlier on.
Mind you, TMZ was probably Reuters' source.

Any way, looks like they were all right.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:47 PM
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11. Safe passage to him...
Ah, I loved him when he was young, before the madness took him away...

Billie Jean, The Man in the Mirror, so many hits I cannot remember all the names...

:cry:

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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:49 PM
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19. "Off The Wall" was my favorite MJ album
he was so handsome on the cover, too...
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:25 PM
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115. Mine, too. It was also the first time
that I heard how absolutely wonderfully the brothers sang. They sounded like angels on that album that I've worn out over the years.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:13 PM
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257. Me too
I remember staring at the friend who'd just bought the album in disbelief - really? Michael Jackson? Hmmm...

LOVED that album - so many great memories of that time.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:17 PM
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263. It's Such a Tragedy
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 07:18 PM by NashVegas
Everytime I look at that album cover it's a reminder how sad it was that he couldn't have been happy with the extremely handsome face he was gifted with.

The Jackson family father must have been a real piece of work.
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Mamacrat Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 09:05 PM
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479. Me, too!
That album reminds me of eighth grade. Gives me chills when I hear those songs - even before his death. Here's a link to a Off the Wall video using clips from more recent videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDzxl_Q0qYE&feature=related Enjoy!
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mr1956 Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 09:31 PM
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495. She's Out of My Life
The soundtrack of when my mother died, it still strikes a chord with me. He put a lot of emotion into that song. Today is a sad day.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 01:51 AM
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545. I agree musette....
...just watched that video today. He was SO handsome in that period. Fantastic album--not a bad song on it, imo.
He was quite handsome during Thriller, too.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:50 PM
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23. All the Jackson Five tunes, too....
When he was a kid.

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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:14 PM
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258. Classics all of them
As I said elsewhere - a soundtrack to my childhood, for sure.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:28 PM
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122. My dear CP - that is quite a lovely way to put it.
"...Before the madness took him away." Pretty much sums it up, too.

Hopefully he can finally find some peace.

GOD it's gonna be a madhouse around town here. I was just saying elsewhere - this is the kind of thing that makes me glad I'm not working anymore. Retired in 1996 from the A.P. The bureau must be exploding today, especially after Farrah Fawcett.
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:03 PM
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183. seriously?
"Retired in 1996 from the A.P. The bureau must be exploding today, especially after Farrah Fawcett"

:yoiks:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:17 PM
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512. I guess you had to be there.
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 10:17 PM by calimary
Entertainment news was always a HUGE part of the A.P. L.A. bureau. HUGE. Still is. This still is a company town.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:14 PM
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259. Thanks!
:hug:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 02:40 PM
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591. I agree.
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:48 PM
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13. RIP - nt
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:48 PM
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14. CNN still not reporting death
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:54 PM
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36. CNN is often slower than other outlets.
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 04:54 PM by redqueen
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:15 PM
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199. I don't know about that...
They reported the deaths of Fidel Castro, Dick Cheney, Nelson Mandela, Pope John Paul II and Ronald Reagan back in April of 2003. That doesn't sound too slow to me, especially when you consider they were all alive at that time.

Of course, that may be why they are double checking their facts now...
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:48 PM
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16. Only Fox reporting death so far
But they have details about him not having been revived.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:49 PM
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18. RIP if this is true. He obviously knew so little of it when he was on earth.
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 04:49 PM by kestrel91316
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:50 PM
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22. tmz.com has it.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:51 PM
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24. Still nothing on CNN - only hospitalized so far
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:57 PM
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45. confirmed on tmz.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:56 PM
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43. How true!
All I can think of is what a cute little kid he was, how talented, and sadly, how tortured.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:51 PM
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25. For real?
FF and MJ? Who is next? Celeb deaths usually come in threes.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:52 PM
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29. Ed McMahon was #1
MJ is #3.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:34 PM
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132. You're right, I forgot about Ed.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:03 PM
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58. Patrick Swayze
He is very ill.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:37 PM
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455. oh, please Johnny from Dirty Dancing he is struggling with
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 08:37 PM by bdamomma
his health too. that will be a sad day too.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:52 PM
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28. It was breaking news on the NBC affliliate in Pittsburgh
But the news has been known to get things wrong in the past.
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HOLOS Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:53 PM
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30. May Your Angels Escort You to the Brightest Light Now
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:53 PM
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31. If true...may he RIP
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:53 PM
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32. nambla, Sanford thread posters hardest hit
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:00 PM
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50. That is sick and wrong and funny.
:P
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:54 PM
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241. i lol'd. n/t
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:54 PM
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34. Local news in OKC just reported it.
I remember first seeing the thriller video. I was probably 6. It scared the living crap out of me. I loved Michael Jackson when I was a kid, and every one of his songs could send me into a dancing frenzy as an adult. The man he became was very sad and I feel very sorry for his family.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:55 PM
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38. ???
He was a perverted predator!
What's with all the tears?
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:00 PM
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51. For those of us who grew up with --
The Jackson 5, we have wonderful memories of a talented performer who brought a lot of joy to our lives. That is what the sadness is for.

It is a shame this incredibly talented but very sick man never got the serious mental health help he so badly needed.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:02 PM
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55. Yup
Grew up with him and the Jackson 5.

It's been hard watching him go insane.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:07 PM
Original message
Exactly. Elegantly put.
This was one tortured soul.
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:08 PM
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71. exactly
I used to watch the Jackson 5 saturday morning cartoon,listen to their music, etc. He was a talented kid who grew up to become a twisted individual.

Something went wrong in that family (was it their dad?), and Jackson the boy grew in to a sick sick person.

If he's dead, I'm sorry for the boy I used to watch and listen to.


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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:10 PM
Original message
Thank you
I'm in tears. He had so much potential to make real change and it's just a shame his illness blunted what could have been such an incredibly powerful force.

And dare I say, no Michael Jackson, no Barack Obama. So many great African American men put a brick in the path of equality for all.
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Aragorn Donating Member (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:21 PM
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208. too true
And the same must be said for a lot of people, including celebrities. Failure to get mental health treatment nearly always leads to bad things. Don't be afraid to confront someone about it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:41 PM
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423. Obviously, he and other Jackson children were preyed upon by the father . . .
resulting in this distorted person who never emerged from childhood - imo.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:44 PM
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427. Exactly. May he rest in peace.
My heart goes out to his children.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 04:53 AM
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550. I grew up with him.
I had the Thriller album and was a huge, huge fan at age 12. I grew up with his videos on MTV. But dude was a child molester and I don't shed tears for child molesters. All of the people falling all over themselves weeping, would you leave your kids alone with Michael Jackson? Damn.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 09:36 PM
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605. Thank you for your thoughtful sentiments.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:04 PM
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60. My sentiments.
I don't care what kind of musical genius he was, he ruined some kids lives.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:04 PM
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61. ...
As a victim of a predator who is fighting back tears, I'll try to explain.

Michael had a seriously fucked up childhood. He had nobody around to stick up for him, either. Yes, he probably did awful things... I don't know, I wasn't there so I won't claim to know... but even if he did... he is/was a human being, and at a time like this, I can't find it in my heart to dwell on whatever bad things he did. All I can think about now is the things we had in common (that awful childhood thing), and how he never had a chance to live a normal life.
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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:30 PM
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129. What redqueen says, AND
I remember thinking back when the trial was going on, "What kind of parent would let their kids do an overnighter with a pop star?" Sex, drugs, whatever. You don't leave 8 and 9 year olds with strangers, regardless of the celeb factor.
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:04 PM
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185. yes but normal boys "wet the bed" all by themselves
so why did they act like they were ignorant of this? I doubt very much that he was a molester, he just seemed to stay a kid himself(Neverland) & kids can be nicer than adults.
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zogtheobvious Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:23 PM
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211. Kids can be nicer than adults....
....to adults. Kids can be vicious, rapacious little monsters to other kids.


I know this.

(And no, I don't hate kids. Note that I said "can be")
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:42 PM
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519. Belated Welcome to DU!



:toast:
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:23 PM
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534. I agree with you. I used to be a camp counselor.
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 11:28 PM by Rhiannon12866
I enjoyed the kids, loved most of them, but there were a few that made me wonder if these little monsters were really little girls. Little girls can be bullies, too. x(

On edit: I almost forgot! A belated welcome to DU from me, too... It's great to have you with us! :hi:
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:56 PM
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172. OK, let's get it on the table - factual information
What, exactly, did he do?

What, exactly, was he convicted of doing?

Certainly that wierd mansion of his was fairly "out there" and the whole plastic surgery thing was pretty strange, but that's not facts, that's "ewwwww" emotional response.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:00 PM
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177. IMO now is not the time for it.
Whether you choose to believe he was or was not guilty. Now is just not the time.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:04 PM
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248. he was never convicted...the second trial was absolute bs..the da in santa barbara
had it out for Michael and is an evil awful man..i followed the second trial very closely after seeing sneddon give the most grotesque press conference on tv...i hadn't been interested up until that point..but when i heard that press conference, i said whoa, that man is pure evil..sneddon destroyed michaels career..not michael...he was strange but i dont believe he was a pedophile..a child himself in many ways..RIP Michael
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:18 PM
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205. +1
:hug:
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 01:54 AM
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546. redqueen...
:hug:

...so sorry.

thank you for your lovely heart-felt words on behalf of MJ.
you're a kind soul.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 10:19 AM
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577. Thank you...
very much.

:hug:
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 04:54 AM
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551. It's even worse if he was a victim of abuse who then perpetrated abuse.
That means he knows what long-term damage it causes and chose to foist that on other children.

Speaking as another survivor here.

I'm glad he's dead.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 02:42 PM
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592. A sad and lonely life...no doubt.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:05 PM
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64. i think a lot of people are sympathetic because
it was pretty clear that he was passing on what was done to him. not an excuse, but a good explanation. he brought a lot of joy, and tried to do more good than harm. that is more than a lot of us will accomplish.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:43 PM
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425. Obviously the Jackson children were healthy and talented prior
to having their lives distorted by sexual parental abuse by father.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 02:43 PM
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593. and each death of this sort is a reminder to us that we are all merely mortals...
Edited on Fri Jun-26-09 02:43 PM by BrklynLiberal
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:34 PM
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133. Exactly. nt
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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:36 PM
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139. There is no proof of that
Just like Gary Condit killed Chandra Levy.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:55 PM
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169. Yes, there is, to anyone who cares to look at it.
A security guard SAW the kid fellating Jackson. Jackson paid the kid, the mother, and the guard a $22 million "settlement" in the civil suit, and both the guard and the kid refused to testify in the criminal trial afterward because of it. Without witnesses or a cooperative victim, there was no criminal case to prosecute and it was dropped. This is all public record that anyone can view.

When the second round of allegations came up, the DA tried to get the first kid to testify again. The kid fled the country rather than do so. Without witnesses to establish a pattern of molestation, there wasn't enough evidence to nail him the second time. It came down to the kids word against Jacksons, and Jackson had better lawyers.

He beat the justice system (or bought it anyway), but the guy was guilty as sin.
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:06 PM
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190. I hadn't heard about a guard seeing anything
.
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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:57 PM
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244. Do you have links, Xitras? n/t
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:45 PM
Original message
In case it has never been done, Very Belated Welcome to DU!



:toast:
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:14 AM
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601. people settlement lawsuits all the time
and people sue people who have money all the time....they might even conspire to do so. lawsuits are settled for all kind of reasons, e.g., publicity, time, money.
obviously MJ had some major problems, but nothing you wrote proves anything.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:52 PM
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237. Hardly, the victim testifed against Jackson
And Jackson paid his vicim $20m to settle a civil suit.

There was no witness in the Condit example.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:48 PM
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159. I don't recall him being found guilty of any such thing.
Had some trouble managing his expenses though.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:48 PM
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161. Agreed. Count me solidly in the "good riddance" camp.
As a person who was molested as a child and forced to watch a sister be molested, I have little sympathy for his kind. It amazes me that so many are willing to sing the praises of a pedophile simply because he had a nice set of pipes.

I like his music, but I have no sympathy for the man.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:09 PM
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193. As the aunt of an abused niece
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 06:11 PM by MissDeeds
I have a hard time feeling sorry for his loss. IF he was indeed a pedophile, I grieve for his victims and the pain they will have to bear for the rest of their lives.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 04:56 AM
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552. Agreed.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:55 PM
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40. Holy shit.
OMG...I'm in shock. First Farrah, now Michael. he was a major freak, but he was a musical legend. Damn. My heart goes out to his family, especially his children.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:48 PM
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162. We live near UCLA - you would NOT believe the helicopter traffic overhead at this moment.
Bigtime noise of whirring rotors. They're all over the place. Like when the freeway near here has a huge accident on it. His whole life was just so sad. Especially in the last ten to 15 years. I was still working when the first molestation case broke. What a mess. Insanity trying to cover that story. Some friends of mine in the business used to call that whole media scrum like you saw during the OJ trial and Michael Jackson Anything - a pig-fuck. This is going to be an utterly UNGODLY pig-fuck. I told my son just now that if I were still working, you probably wouldn't hear from me again for another 48 hours or so. Must be like Election Night at the A.P. downtown at the moment. I bet they're already calling for the Chinese food and some spare mattresses. People are gonna be putting in a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGG night down there.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:55 PM
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41. RIP
:cry:
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:57 PM
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44. And the Wheel turns.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:20 PM
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265. +1
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undergroundnomore Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:59 PM
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47. Michael had such talent
He led a trouble life with alleged abuse from his father. I haven't seen that he had died yet. I did hear that he was rushed to the hopsital and his mother was on her way to see him and his brother said he was not doing well at all.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:59 PM
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48. Sanford must be pissed LOL!
One more day of hiding and nobody would have realized he called a press conference.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:00 PM
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52. They just announced it on the radio.
Apparently he was in full cardiac arrest and the paramedics could not revive him.

His behavior in the latter years of his life was eccentric to say the least, but the world has lost a great talent.

I loved the Jackson Five growing up and I can still sing most of his solo hit songs.

Rest in peace Michael.

:cry:

Farrah and Michael both on the same day, what a shame.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:01 PM
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54. Very talented; it was tough to be Michael...RIP
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:02 PM
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56. RIP MJ
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:03 PM
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57. NONE of the cable news shows are reporting he's dead
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 05:03 PM by provis99
They are just saying he had a heart attack.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:06 PM
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67. True but they are talking about him as if he is, in the past tense...
I think they are being extra cautious.

If not, TMZ is in mad trouble.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:07 PM
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69. They're dragging it out until an "official announcement" is made.
Several of the pundents seem somber and know he's most likely dead (given what we know about what happened).
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:11 PM
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80. Sounds to me like they're waiting until all the family gets there..
Even Papa Joe is now making his way from Vegas to LA.

Everybody is dancing around what seems to be the obvious. It's only right to wait until the family is told.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:26 PM
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118. NBC just broke in, Brian Williams announced his death.
CNN still hasn't announced. A disgrace.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:28 PM
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125. They have, but with the caveat that they haven't confirmed it.
But I think we all know it's true.
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doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:22 PM
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209. Cardiac Arrest????
From what? There has to be some trigger for this, doesn't there?
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:57 PM
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245. I wonder if they've told Bubbles the Chimp. n/t
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:04 PM
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62. NOT confirmed
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sledgehammer Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:05 PM
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63. This is sad if true.
I hate the person he became later in his career, but no one entertained me more in my youth than him.

What a talent he was! Legend.
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:05 PM
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65. R.I.P
The music lives on
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:06 PM
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66. All other sources reporting this are quoting TMZ
They are the ONLY source at this point. I'm waiting for more confirmation.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:08 PM
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72. That's what I'm finding.
Reuters is quoting the TMZ report.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:06 PM
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68. They're Reporting It On E! Entertainment
No link. They just reported it on t.v.
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mrbarber Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:07 PM
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70. Still not confirmation.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:10 PM
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75. the "thrillas" gone if verified
otherwise,
;)
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:10 PM
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73. I call didbs on his skeleton.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:12 PM
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84. his elephant man or
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 05:14 PM by ohio2007
his spakled plastic surgeon modified self ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxlfZeu7Vpc&feature=related
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:03 PM
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441. I call bids on his publishing rights for The Beatles music!
oh- right! he sold them all to Sony...
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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:10 PM
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74. LA TIMES
Now report that he's in a Coma
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:12 PM
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81. Just heard that
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 05:12 PM by mvd
Off the Wall and Thriller are great albums, and the music will live on if he does not survive this. I remember Michael's heyday and wasn't around during Farrah's, but I realize what icons they both are. Sad day for celeb news.
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:10 PM
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76. LA Times reporting he is in a coma, per MSNBC - EOM
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:10 PM
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77. TMZ are skank-ass vultures.
I'll wait till the "real news" reports this.

Whatever the "real news" is anymore.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:17 PM
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203. They may be skanks, but they're VERY well-placed skanks
They were the only ones to obtain the lone investigation photo of Rihanna post-beating. All other news outlets had no problem using it, but had to credit TMZ for it.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:11 PM
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78. "Man in the Mirror"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zpTQCQEFhg
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:11 PM
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79. He's not dead, yet. Only Fox had reported that he died. They seemed to have jumped the gun. (nt)
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:22 PM
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103. TMZ reported it first , guess it morphed into FOX
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 05:25 PM by ohio2007


http://www.youtube.com/user/michaeljackson?blend=2&ob=1

still the best vid of his
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:12 PM
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82. LA Times says he's in a coma
I'd suppose he may be on life support until family can gather and say goodbye.

I wonder if he's an organ donor?
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:15 PM
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85. that's what MSNBC is reporting, that he is in a coma
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:19 PM
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95. LATimes now says he's dead. 3.15pm update nt
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:20 PM
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97. For once I almost hope he isn't
If he was, any recipients would certainly be hounded to death by the entertainment press.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:12 PM
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83. :-(
:(
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:16 PM
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87. 'Revived' per CNN
Maybe on 'life support' until family arrive?? Anyway - doesn't seem to be 'technically' dead - yet.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/25/michael.jackson/

'Entertainer Michael Jackson was taken to a hospital on Thursday after suffering cardiac arrest, sources briefed on the situation told CNN.
A Los Angeles fire official told CNN that paramedics arrived at Michael Jackson's home after a 911 call.

A Los Angeles fire official told CNN that paramedics arrived at Michael Jackson's home after a 911 call.

Paramedics revived Jackson before taking him to the hospital.'
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:27 PM
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121. CNN now has him in a coma
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:30 PM
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130. ... and now he's dead.
It's a shame. I thought for awhile he was gonna pull through... on CNN. But then the LA Times had to kill him.
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haele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:46 PM
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154. No, what they called "revived" was probably transport on life support -
They put my 87 year old grandmother on life support after she was pretty much dead (stopped breathing a fifteen minutes or so before 911 was finally called - she o-d'd while clinically depressed) so organs would not start deteriorating. The hospital kept her on life support until her 95 year old aunt came over to tell them to take her off. They wanted to do an autopsy, and probably recover a few organs.

Haele
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:16 PM
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89. Link to LA Times article w/ update:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/06/pop-star-michael-jackson-was-rushed-to-a-hospital-this-afternoon-by-los-angeles-fire-department-paramedics--capt-steve-ruda.html
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Richd506 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:16 PM
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90. This makes me sad
and angry too. People tried so hard to ruin him at the end...
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:17 PM
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91. He ruined himself long before the end.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:20 PM
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96. Aw bullshit. Child star thrust into the spolight, abusive parents, news frenzy.
Have some respect for the dead.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:28 PM
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124. There comes a point where you have to become a grown up
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 05:33 PM by tinrobot
Whatever life deals you, there comes a point where you have to grow up and face your issues. I can think of dozens of examples of people with worse childhoods who managed to turn out just fine and become responsible adults.

Instead, Michael Jackson idolized Peter Pan, refused to become an adult and used his fortunes to live in an amusement park house where he freely abused children. Not much respect for that, but I hope his turbulent soul finds peace.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:31 PM
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131. Unreal.
You're actually comparing MJ to Gacy.

I was the victim of a predator, but even I can see that now is not the time to focus on his bad deeds.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:35 PM
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137. Sorry...
I went a little over the edge... his deeds touch a nerve with me as well.
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condoleeza Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:47 PM
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155. He never had any example of normal in his life
ditto what redqueen said, this is not the time. Just makes me sad to think his father outlived him. Can only imagine if Papa J had died long ago Michael would have been able to do some healing. He entertained us all, he was one fucked up kid who never became an adult. He had virtually nothing left financially, this London tour basically owned him but was giving him one last opportunity to come back...and it was going so well - until today.

Do we really know anyone who isn't royally fucked up? I know I am.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:53 PM
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168. If he was a pedophile there was no "healing" to be had
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condoleeza Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:34 PM
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222. Perhaps you are right, but as a survivor of abuse, even I can feel empathy for him
What was he thinking to have 3 children. I hope they can be raised together, unfortunately there is virtually no one in the family who isn't troubled.
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Richd506 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:40 PM
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231. Me too.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:31 PM
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217. Nobody has to die for another person to heal.
Sorry, but that's not the way it works.

Besides, being a abused as a child does not excuse abusing children as an adult.

And he was an adult, he just chose not to act like one.
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condoleeza Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:37 PM
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225. Maybe not, but from personal experience, it helps
I'm not advocating Joe Jackson be killed, but he was a terrible father. I just think that removing someone who was so domineering from the mix would have given Michael needed peace. Just my 2 cents, not like I'm an expert here.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:52 PM
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238. It's a mixed bag.
From experience - how can you truly forgive someone who only exists as a memory? Memory is tricky and often can amplify real people into monsters.

Sometimes it's best to face reality and have the difficult conversation with the horrid parent. When that happens, many times the monster of your childhood turns into the fallible person they were all along.
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condoleeza Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:31 PM
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449. and sometimes they're your older siblings and they have children you love and
helped to raise and you love them and don't want them to be hurt, so you are really torn, and your parents were also abused, and they gave their abusers access to your siblings because they never dealt with anything and then it just goes on and on until someone cries STOP. The reality of crying stop isn't pretty, believe me, as the one who cried stop. The monsters of my childhood WERE fallible, they were also victims and in spite of the damage, I do not hate them. 2 dead by suicide so far, family still in denial, and on it goes.

The point I was trying to make is that when you grow up feeling you have no say in your life, you react, rather than live an authentic life. Michael never lived an authentic life. I hate that he molested kids, I hope those kids are getting the help they need. I don't infer that Michael was molested, but he NEVER had a real childhood, and if his father were gone from this toxic mix, he might have been able to finally grow up.

You can never truly forgive someone who damaged your life if they do not admit their actions and Joe Jackson never has and I would imagine never will. He has left a legacy of children who were just a commodity and hopefully his grandchildren can go beyond this. I doubt Debbie wants the 2 she gave birth to, w/o major $ as an incentive. There are 3 kids w/no parent now. Who will raise them?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:31 PM
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416. Most Celebrities Aren't Allowed to Be Grown-Ups
For most grown-ups, when someone is in your face, violating your personal boundaries, you can ask them to back off and most will. If they won't, you can tell them to fuck off - and they will.

Celebs can't do that.

As for dealing with his childhood abuse, not everyone can be like Oprah Winfrey - or even LaToya Jackson. When a celeb goes public about abuse, their face, their image becomes associated with victim-hood. Not good for business.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:56 PM
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435. Do you have to ask permission to be a grownup?
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Fedja Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 05:01 AM
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555. Men don't grow up.
We simply learn subterfuge.

The only thing I gained from age was financial means with which to pay for my juvenile ideas. I'm neither ashamed nor proud of it, and if I had MJ's money, Neverland would pale in comparison with the shit I'd surely pull. :)

On topic, regardless of what one thinks of him as a person, he was a great artist that redefined music as we know it, and he probably would not have been such a grand influence had he not been a bit on the weird side.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 09:03 AM
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575. Excellent post.
You hit so many good things in that, I just had to give you a +1.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 12:14 PM
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587. What a very interesting post.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:18 PM
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92. JESUS!!!!!
No way!

This really is unimaginable! The last person you would expect to die.

So tragic. He had such promise and his career catapulted him to icon status. Then he freaked out
with the surgeries and other dark behavior. I guess I was always hoping that Jackson would somehow
pull himself up and that he could make a big breakthrough--instead of dying such a tragic, tragic figure.

His father was rumored to have been a tyrant and an abuser to those kids. My guess is that Michael spent a lot
of his years acting out the past. I'm sorry that he didn't have more time to find peace.

He certainly was an entertainment giant. He defined an entire generation.

Sad and tragic.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:18 PM
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93. It's still not confirmed ...but I believe he's dead....and it's very sad...
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 05:21 PM by KoKo
just saying...It's very sad. He gave us a lot of incredible music...and what happened after that..who knows.

As a DU'er of the Elvis/Orbison Generation...I am sad at the loss of the NEXT GENERATION of music...and the death.

:cry:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:19 PM
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94. Unbelievable! Tragic! Sad!
:wow:
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:20 PM
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98. LA Times Blog reporting it
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 05:20 PM by tinrobot
Updated at 3:15 p.m.: Pop star Michael Jackson was pronounced dead by doctors this afternoon after arriving at a hospital in a deep coma, city and law enforcement sources told The Times.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/06/pop-star-michael-jackson-was-rushed-to-a-hospital-this-afternoon-by-los-angeles-fire-department-paramedics--capt-steve-ruda.html
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:21 PM
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100. MSNBC just confirmed death from LA Times story.
First major news outlet to do so?
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:20 PM
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99. Pronounced dead.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:22 PM
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101. LA Times Blog Confirms It
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:22 PM
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102. LA Times now confirms death n/t
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:23 PM
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106. What a day. What a week.
Ed, Farrah and now Michael.
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npk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:24 PM
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108. TMZ says they never revived him
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 05:24 PM by npk
Cnn.com reporting that he is still being treated at UCLA medical center. How can TMZ have this story and confirm it, when all the major media outlets are still reporting him as being treated.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:24 PM
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109. RIP. He was a great singer, too bad he degenerated into a creepy freak-show.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:26 PM
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117. I'm sure his dozens of unneccesary surgeries didn't help his health...
...not to mention his questionable mental state. Freak-show is right, and a pedophile to boot.

He's been a walking corpse for years now anyways. Me, not so sad.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:24 PM
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111. If true, RIP Michael for the talent you had and the people you touched with music.
If you also in fact touched children then I hope devils drag you to eternal suffering. Sorry, if callous but if he did do the things he was accused of then no excuse of "he had a bad childhood" is going to cut it with me.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:36 PM
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138. Agreed.
He was very talented but not that or a horrible childhood excuses harming children in anyway.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:24 PM
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113. CBS Reporting Michael Jackson Is Dead (nt)
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:25 PM
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116. LA Times, NBC as well
Ron Reagan confirmed that they reported it as well.

What a sad day.

First Farrah and now Michael.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:25 PM
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114. He will not be given peace in death by many, I wish him Godspeed
and hope for the best for his family.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:34 PM
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134. I would say that peace in death is absolutely guaranteed
His family and admirers might get sick of the public's reaction, but Michael is surely beyond that now.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:39 PM
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536. Wish I could recommend your post...
I totally agree with your sentiments. ;(

I was wondering how people could feel such venom towards someone they didn't even know. But then I thought of Dick Cheney... x(

Rhiannon :hi:
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:29 AM
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568. Dick Cheney had people killed in illegal wars. MJ was accused of
(but never found guilty) of assaulting children. It seems to me that Cheney deserves the scorn he receives.

First and foremost, MJ will ALWAYS be remembered as the King of Pop for his music, not for his quirks. He was the Elvis of the X generation.


Thanks:hug:
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 10:56 PM
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596. I sure agree. It seems that MJ's fans aren't concerned about that.
After all, he was acquitted. They love him for his music and his talent. (IMO, his incredible dancing defied gravity...) Some pundit said today that among the top rung of icons, Elvis, John Lennon and Michael Jackson, MJ is probably #1. There's no country in the world in which he doesn't have fans and his music will live on forever... O8)

As for Cheney, when is his trial?! It's long overdue... :grr:

Rhiannon :hug:
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:26 PM
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119. CNN reporting he has died. n/t
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:27 PM
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120. Rest well, Michael. You did well.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:29 PM
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126. not to be a cynic
but "well" is relative.

i wish his soul peace.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:35 PM
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135. Whatever.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:36 PM
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140. nicely put
i concur.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:40 PM
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144. Michael Jackson was a brilliant musician, an extraordinary talent.
And we will always have the recordings.

I'm out.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:36 PM
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224. That's one hell of a stretch
He sang well. He danced well. He performed well. But dangling an infant over a balcony, parading his children in public in veils, and fending off years of charges of pedophilia hardly constitute "You did well". Holy hell, let's pull back on the "You did well" crap. Talk to his alleged victims, then decide.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:28 PM
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123. CNN confirms it:
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:39 PM
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143. CNN has not confirmed it

It clearly says they haven't confirmed it.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:29 PM
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127. Oh man
I cant freaking believe this. Rest in Peace King of Pop. :cry:
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:37 PM
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141. me neither
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:38 PM
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142. So sad - it's been a bad day for celebrities today
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 05:43 PM by sonias
He was a great child star whose adult life went wrong. I really loved him as a young singer.

My condolences to the Jackson family.

:cry:


Sonia
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:40 PM
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145. an amazing showman and musical genius.
it`s truly a shame that he turned into a side show freak...

his music will live on
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:42 PM
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148. Pretty much sums it up. An immense talent, and a sad decline
into ignominy.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:41 PM
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146. Mark Sanford "thank god"..Sarah Palin "Darn!"
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:41 PM
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147. I just flipped past MTV
I guess it takes something like this to get them to play a music video these days.

I hope they keep playing MJ videos.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:10 PM
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194. So they actually acknowledged his death?
I'm stunned. And I mean that sincerely.

MTV owes its existence to MJ.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:42 PM
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149. Rest In Peace, you poor abused man-child.
You never had a chance to find true peace here. Perhaps now you'll discover it.

:cry:
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kayla9170 Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:59 PM
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439. Michael Jackson_------The KING of Pop---RIP
Michael.....you were a icon to me. It is so sad to hear people talk about you, forgetting the many things that you done for others, that was never reported in the MSM. It is amazing that all the people here on this site dog you in your moment of death, when you, like many of us here voted for our First African-American President Barack Obama.

I remember the Thiller video when it first aired on MTV when I was 14 and thought that this was the most amazing thing I ever seen, to that point, on TV. Off The Wall was my FAVORITE album of yours. I watched the Motown 25 special and loved how you did the Moonwalk on stage and made the whole world look at you and say, "I wish I could do that like you, Michael".

It is so so sad that for your talent to be overshadowed by the last ten years of your life events. You were 50 and was entertaining since you were 3 years old. You were abused by your Father but no one cares....but your fans. I am a fan, I understood your talent and I am so sad today...on your passing. There will never be another M.J. You were unique, a real superstar and the Original King of Pop!!

Rest in Peace...Michael...Rest in Peace!!!

Monica
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:44 PM
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151. NY Daily News confirms
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/06/25/2009-06-25_reports_michael_jackson_.html

:-(
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:47 PM
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156. It's okay. He's gonna come back as a dancing zombie.


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shellgame26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 09:45 PM
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501. As sad as I am
that actually made me laugh.

RIP Michael and Farrah. You are forever loved!
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:47 PM
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157. o my god... Rest In Peace, Michael.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:47 PM
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158. Wow. I am shocked. Like many others here, I hope he finds peace now.
He was clearly a troubled person, and was clearly losing to his demons.

I don't know if he was truly a child predator or not, I'll leave that to the higher court he now faces.

It's sad that someone with all the money in the world couldn't get the help he really needed. Maybe some damage just can't be fixed.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:48 PM
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160. I suppose that Prince won, then.
n/t
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:33 PM
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219. Prince was always the better of the two. n/t
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 04:57 AM
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553. Dude, Prince won in 1984.
Also by not being a pedophile.
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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 07:26 PM
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602. And you know this, how? The man was acquitted. Sure, you may not like the outcome..
..but 12 people, in the eyes of the law, disagreed with you and that is what will stand, regardless of what you or anyone else post here. Plus dancing on someone's grave is a bit tacky, don't you think? I mean, you may not have liked him and you're certainly entitled to that...but seriously, why even bother posting if you didn't? It may just be my opinion, but I think in these situations, if you don't have anything kind to say, it's better not to say it at all. It's just a little thing called class.

Also, while Prince is a great talent, Michael Jackson has surpassed him (and most everyone else) in iconic status YEARS ago. He's right there with Elvis and the Beatles, if not even bigger.

Plus, there were so many flaws in that case that anyone who actually bothered to study the facts of it (as I did) would realize it was bullshit. You and others who believe it are obviously only seeing what they want to see.


But whatever. His legacy lives on...
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:49 PM
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163. RIP MJ. I hope he finally finds peace. nt
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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:52 PM
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165. Did he have a history of heart trouble?
I always thought he was a bit of a health nut - macrobiotic diet and such.

I'm still in a state of shock. He was much too young.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:58 PM
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174. I don't think so ..
But he was so frail. I don't think we know for sure how sick he might have been.

Tragic. Tragic life is some ways.

A little boy with so much talent and so many people wanting a part of him. He never really grew up. So fucking sad.

He sure could sing!
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:58 PM
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175. Nope - he just had a 4 1/2 hour physical in March for his investors to sign off on
the rumor - and I stress just a rumor - is he ODed on sleeping pills. But from all accounts he was physically healthy.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:22 PM
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210. he had lupus, according to wiki
if true, I understand him a lot better now. Lupus killed my mom too.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:57 PM
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243. He did not lead a healthy life....
Way too skinny... he looked anorexic, not to mention all the surgery.

Plus, it is not unusual for a 50 year old man to drop dead of a heart attack.
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pasto76 Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:53 PM
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166. find peace, he was so obviously a tortured soul
and also a legend.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:53 PM
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167. This is a sad day
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 05:54 PM by mvd
This music fan will remember him. I hope you are in peace now, Michael.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:55 PM
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170. The media here in LA is going ape shit
Copters all over the sky near the hospital (or a while ago).

I know this sounds selfish ... but I wanted to watch the ET-type shows and morn Farrah and see the tributes about her ... now the media is going to be full blown in your face "if it bleeds, it leads" type shit.

We will be hearing about this for months. Cause of death, rumors, lawsuits, child custody, screaming fans on camera.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:04 PM
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186. I feel you, RKM.
I wanted Farrah to have her moment to be memorialized like she deserved.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:21 PM
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267. and she deserves that .
I read that Redmond was told and he will be able to attend Farrah's funeral.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:57 PM
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524. That is so sad. That poor kid has enough to deal with...
;(
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:39 PM
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458. I wanted Farrah to have her moment, too
Her passing has been nearly eclipsed by Micheal Jackson. Larry King did have a nice tribute, though.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:07 PM
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191. At least he won't have to hear it anymore.
Such a bad week, Ed, Farrah now MJ.

:cry:
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 09:16 PM
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484. Farrah deserves her own tribute
I felt bad, hearing the MJ died, that it was going to plow right over her.

But regardless of media, her loved ones and fans will make sure she gets the appropriate send off.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:55 PM
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171. ???
damn!
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Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:57 PM
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173. R.I.P. Michael Jackson
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:59 PM
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176. Cross gently, MJ...
:cry:
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:01 PM
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178. This guy was the no#1 pop singer in the World
while the CIA was creating & aiding Al-Queda in Afghanistan, NSA was giving arms to Iran, arming C. American guerillas & bringing Cocaine into LA.

No wonder we didn't know what was going on~

RIP Jacko
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StrongBad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 12:45 PM
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589. By far the oddest post in this thread. Congrats.
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:01 PM
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179. this has been a crappy day to begin with
and now this...
this sux for me...

I feel so bad for his family.

I have to get this stupid homework done. My prof is an ass, by the way. Thanks for the sucky day, ass hole.

I was thinking about going to get something to drink, as It's been that bad of a day. Not till after homework, though.
Now I REALLY want to get my homework done...because I NOW I am REALLY going to go get some red wine.

And put on not my CD, not my tape, but my Thriller ALBUM, yes, my ALBUM..that I got for my 12th Birthday.
I just had my 37th birthday. I always think about Michael Jackson on my birthday.
Damn. Damn Damn.

I hope his family is getting the news before it hit public airwaves.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:01 PM
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180. i'm shocked.
he was a musical genius regardless of everything else that can be said about him.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:03 PM
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181. Woah, damn.
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:03 PM
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182. Well, he is the third.
Ed McMahon, Farah Fawcett, and now Michael Jackson. I was wondering who it would be, but he never crossed my mind as a possibility.

I must say, I'm more shocked by his death than by the other two. Yes, he went into a very weird downward spiral, but I was a fan of his music in the 80's and still like a lot of it. I guess he is finally at peace.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:04 PM
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184. It seems odd to me...
I friend of mine said that celebrities die in 3's. David Carradine, Farrah Faucet and now, Jackson. Good vibes for Jackson's family.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:05 PM
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188. You forgot Ed Mcmahon
I guess this it came in fours.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:05 PM
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187. May Peace be with his Family and Friends at this time...
some of us will miss you Michael.
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:06 PM
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189. Seventh of nine
Jackson is the seventh of nine children in a well-known musical family. He has three children, Prince Michael I, Paris and Prince Michael II.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/25/michael.jackson/index.html

Being a huge fan of ST:V, that jumped out at me. Chilling.
RIP, Your Majesty.

:cry:
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:01 PM
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508. Star Trek: V ??? That was the worst movie of the lot!
(I know what you mean.... just couldn't resist)
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:08 PM
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192. Twice-a-day rehearsal schedule, plus workouts with Lou Ferrigno?
Damn. Talk about going from 0 to 60.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:12 PM
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195. Great news for Mark Sanford
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:12 PM
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196. RIP Mike
I'll miss them noses.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:13 PM
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197. :)
cute and sad
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tinkerbell41 Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:14 PM
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198. RIP
I agree complete freakshow at the end. BUT I remember him for what he was when I was growing up.
I was in High School during his "thriller" time. SOOOO many memories to go with the music. I loved him. As for Farrah, I was in grade school and all the girls wanted to be Jill when "playing" Charlies Angels on the playground. As a side note my daughter and I found our rabbit dead this morning, WHAT A DAY!!!!
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Eyerish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:16 PM
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200. RIP
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 06:23 PM by Eyerish
A Tortured and Talented Soul...
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:17 PM
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201. RIP
He wasn't perfect (as if any of us are), but he made the world a more beautiful place.

:dem:

-Laelth
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:17 PM
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202. RIP Thriller.
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Cash_thatswhatiwant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:17 PM
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204. OMG. I'm just in a state of shock right now.
RIP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNl2Pm9-7Vk
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:19 PM
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207. "State Of Shock"
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 06:30 PM by musette_sf
say hi to Freddie for us, MJ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9_BwMtPeWU

on edit: written by Freddie & MJ. maybe some of the boots of their version will show up now.
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sweetloukillbot Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:33 PM
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221. Wow. I had no idea that version of State of Shock existed... n/t
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:18 PM
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206. RIP :^(
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:25 PM
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213. terrible loss
rest easy Michael.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:25 PM
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214. I still have my Jackson-5 45 r.p.m.'s from the back of a Honeycomb cereal box.
Think I'll bust 'em out tonight and give 'em a spin.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:35 PM
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223. You still have yours? Wow!!!!
We got ours from the back of Alpha-bits.

That you still have even one is amazing.
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WilmywoodNCparalegal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:27 PM
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215. CNN confirms MJ has died as per LA Coroner n/t
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:30 PM
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216. How convenient. Consdering he just post phoned the first 4 dates of his tour.
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 06:32 PM by superconnected
They said he was being too perfectionist. And considering he called off the auction that he supposedly had too have to gain money - he owes more than 200 million to bank of america alone - but he flaked at the last minute and wanted his belongings back.

Many people didn't believe he was going to go through the european tour for good reason - he's flaked and canceled everything for the last 15 years.

I don't believe he was innocent in the child molestation case - and that had a jury of 12 people find him innocent. And I'm not going to just believe he suddenly died of a heart attack(anyone read class matters - the rich are the least likely to die of heart disease). All I can say is how utterly convenient. I hope he has an open casket. And someone better make sure it's not wax.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:38 PM
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227. There are no reports of a "heart attack", aka myocardial infarction.
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 06:39 PM by kestrel91316
The reports are of cardiac arrest, which can occur due to heart disease (arrhythmia) or drug/alcohol overdose, or dozens of other things.

Just because media fools are using the term "heart attack" doesn't mean that is the medical diagnosis.

Oh, now Al Sharpton in NYC is giving a statement about MJ. BREAKING NEWS.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:41 PM
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232. Actually, just because anyone says it isn't a reason to believe it.
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 06:42 PM by superconnected
I remember thinking Kenny Boy died - who also had hundreds of millions to lose if he lived, and the more I gathered - that he was a week from the date the court required him to give the money back, that the body was instantly cremated, that the coroner and his personal doctor were the witnesses. I quit buying it. MJ owes too much money and wasn't going on that tour. How UTTERLY convenient. Just like Kenny boy.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
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Take off that tin foil hat.
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM by Odin2005
:rofl:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:30 PM
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413. You doubt that he's dead?
I suppose that's a plausible conspiracy scenario, I just generally like to ascribe a nefarious scheme like that more to genuinely evil people like Ken Lay. I just have a hard time imagining MJ on a deserted island, sipping Mai Tais. Anything's possible, I guess. I'd really love to think that he's not dead at a young 50 years of age.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:54 PM
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433. When there's hundreds of millions on the table - the guys has to pay back
Yeah, I start not trusting the convenience of them dying.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:06 PM
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249. My stepdad was recovering from pancreatitis when he suddenly went into cardiac arrest and died.
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 07:06 PM by Odin2005
MJ could not have been a well man in any case, which makes death by sudden heart failure all the more likely.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:32 PM
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218. Local news has endless blabbering coverage of the wait for the
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 06:34 PM by kestrel91316
press conference at UCLA Medical Center. They also have bloodsuckers posted at the driveway to his Holmby Hills home to suffocate any hapless souls who try to enter the property by car. Days like this I actually feel sorry for LAPD.

CBS2/KCAL9, FYI.

OMG, they sent a reporter up to the former Neverland Ranch up by Solvang to report live from there. Jeebus. He doesn't own the property anymore and hasn't been there for years. They are desperate. I guess the dozen fans gathered there are too important to overlook.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:33 PM
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220. This sucks. There will never be another MJ. Very sad, very young
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 06:36 PM by chill_wind
very unexpected, and just when he was getting ready to go out again, fix some of his debt and with luck, some of his life. Who knows what was waiting around the corner? So very sorry for his family, his friends, his fans. RIP Michael. You changed and owned the world of pop in your own amazing, however troubled at times, all too short journey.
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:39 PM
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228. I am not surprised he died at all
he looked extremely unhealthy for a loooong time & he was being used by a lot of people @ the end & I'm sure @ the beginning of his entertainment career.

R.I.P Michael Jackson
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:40 PM
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229. Rest in peace Michael
no matter the rest, ...memories of his musical genius remain
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:40 PM
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230. I talked with Michael Jackson once...
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 07:07 PM by AsahinaKimi
I talked to him on the phone once. I was working for a answering service in Santa Barbara and we answered the phones for Neverland Valley Ranch. I remember him calling in for messages, and I was shocked that I was actually talking to him. Usually he had his secretary call in for messages.

We had been told by our bosses, since we answered for a number of celebrities (Bob Eubanks, Michael Douglas, Jeff Bridges to name a few.) to NEVER sound excited when they called.. nor act like fans.. be professional, but I have to admit I was taken aback, because as I said, generally he never called in for messages.

But he was in London (This was after the baby dangling incident) at the time, and couldn't reach anyone at the main house phone, and couldn't understand why, so he left a message with us, to relay to the house person..and that was rare.

The other thing we were instructed to do was always call him either "Mr.Jackson or Michael" but NEVER EVER, EVER call him "Mike."

One of our operators did that once, and was fired. Apparently, he hated that name and demanded she be fired. It was a big account, so our boss complied. Well, everyone had be warned. I guess, she didn't believe it.


Anyway, He will be missed. Also Farrah Fawcett, Ed McMahon and David Carridine.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:39 AM
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571. Let me jump in here to say, I despise that part of our culture
I mourn the passing of MJ as much as anyone, but WTF? I'm sorry, but no one person should get THAT much special treatment. I'm sick and tired of celebrities, politicians, and billionaires being treated like royalty, and we as their serfs.

If the woman was rude or said his name in such a way as to needle him, or persisted after MJ corrected her, then yeah, she got what was coming to her. But otherwise, Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, someone loses their source of livelihood because she makes an error on his name? (Which MJ could have calmly corrected her during the phone conversation.)

Who got to fire Michael Jackson if he got someone's name wrong?

This isn't a rant against Michael Jackson as much as it is against our society's adoration of rich people. I thought we abolished kings on July 4, 1776.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:46 PM
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233. That's no 3
McMahon
Faucet
Jackson
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:49 PM
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468. sad very sad, Johnny must be interviewing them all now.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:52 PM
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239. I saw him on television a few weeks ago
and thought to myself, "He doesn't look good. I hope he makes it to his next birthday."

I didn't know how intuitive I was.

I feel sorry for his children. I think their lives are going to be completely messed up more than they already are.
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ddiver Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:55 PM
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242. I am listening to Thriller to honor the genius of the artist, and a 12 yr old scotch
to say good riddance to the sickness of the pedophile.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:09 PM
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252. That scotch is older than some of his victims.n/t
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:03 PM
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247. Press conference has been scheduled for 5:15 PM local time at
UCLA Medical Center.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:09 PM
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251. Wow. Farrah and Michael all in one day.
They were both bigger-than-life to me back then.

This is sad.

My heart goes out to their loved ones.

:cry:
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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:11 PM
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254. His music lives on. RIP, Michael.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:12 PM
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255. So hard to believe
I grew up with him. When my friends were sighing and fainting over Donny Osmond, I chose Michael Jackson instead. Those cartoons (along with the Beatles cartoon) were my Saturday mornings, the music a soundtrack to my life.

I actually prefer pre-Thriller MJ, myself. (Love Off the Wall). But whatever you can say, no one can deny his place in the pantheon of pop music creators. A strange, sad, weird genius, but a genius all the same.

So sad!
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:15 PM
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260. Hope he's found peace...
He was a very troubled, and I think a very lonely man, despite his undeniable brilliance and talent.

Saw the headline and it felt like somebody had smacked me in the back of the head...actual physical SHOCK.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:16 PM
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261. LAPD is at MJ's home investigating - presumably looking for any
substances or circumstances which might have been involved in his death. This is routine, AFAIK, when there is a death of this sort. Doesn't mean any sort of foul play.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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270. Michael Jackson suffers heart attack
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 04:03 PM by cali
Source: TMZ


LOS ANGELES - The website TMZ says Michael Jackson has suffered cardiac arrest and was rushed to the hospital on Thursday afternoon.

TMZ says Jackson was loaded into an ambulance just after 2 p.m. Central time., and his mother was to meet him at the hospital.

Paramedics were seen performing CPR on the singer, who suffered the heart attack at his home on Los Angeles


Read more: http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/entertainment/celebrity_news/090625_michael_jackson_heart_attack


breaking on multiple media. Jackson suffered major heart attack and was taken by ambulance to L.A. hospital
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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271. CPR?? If this is true 98% chance he's dead.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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272. Oh, jeez...
That's so awful. Hope he pulls through.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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273. Holy Cow!
:wow:

who knows what will be said about him now.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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280. You mean about him being an unrepentant pedophile?
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
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346. Thank you
One of my nieces was victimized by a pedophile and will bear the emotional scars the rest of her life. I am having a great deal of difficulty conjuring up any sympathy for this man. If, as TMZ is reporting, he has died, my sympathies are with his family. I mourn for the victims he has left in his wake.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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274. He's my age...
That's scary. I hope he's ok.
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
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314. I had a major MI at 46
had another one the next day in the CCU - lost 15% if my heart.
I do 45 minutes on the elliptical and exercise regularly with weights.
I'm in better shape than most people my age that I know.

He can pull through.
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Sheltiemama Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
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320. We've lost two employees, both 47, to heart attacks this year.
Just a month apart. It was a rough time.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
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324. We don't know that this was a myocardial infarction. All we know is that
he suffered cardiac rrest and wasn't breathing when the paramedics arrived. Like I said, my money is on a drug or alcohol overdose.
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brendan120678 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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275. Your post beat mine by a minute... (nt)
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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276. Something wrong with your link.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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277. updated link...
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-rushed-to-the-hospital/
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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278. craaaaaaaaaaaaazy
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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279. ...
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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296. During Jackson's trial in Santa Maria I saw that young man in a Santa Barbara coffee shop...
Macauley Culkin had been called on to testify against his former friend, and he had said that nothing inappropriate ever took place.

All I know is that Macauley looked so very alone sitting there, that as a mom and a survivor of sexual abuse myself I wanted to go up to him and say, "Whatever it was, it wasn't your fault." But as a Santa Barbaran, I left him some privacy.

Hekate
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
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310. He says nothing happened.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
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347. ... though they shared a bed ... Well, peace to them both. nt
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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281. update
UPDATE: A Jackson family member tells TMZ Michael is in "really bad shape" and the brothers are headed to UCLA.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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283. death happens in 3's
so I've heard.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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286. i was thinking that this morning after hearing about Farrah
but MJ was not exactly at the top of my Dead Pool list.

rumor going around it was an OD???
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pkdu Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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288. If we have to have three today I vote for Limbaugh the 'turd n/t
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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297. I said the same thing to my husband after I told him about
Farrah.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
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298. Oddly enough they are all linked through Weird Al Yankovic
Ed McMahon was the subject of the Weird Al song "Here's Johnny"
Farrah Fawcett was a lyiric in the Weird Al parody "Ebay"
and many are familiar with Al's parodies of Jackson's work in "Eat It" and "Fat"
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #298
311. Now that is a weird association - coincidence
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:44 AM
Response to Reply #298
572. They all probably knew Kevin Bacon, too. nt
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #283
315. Superstitious nonsense.
NT!
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 05:07 AM
Response to Reply #283
558. Yep....
My grandmother told me that when I was a little girl .. and I am an old girl now --- and it is true.
They always come in threes.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #281
287. Ding-Dong...........
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #270
282. TMZ and FOX still the sole source?
Should that be considered odd?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #282
305. They just said 1.5 sentences about it on KPCC, our local NPR affiliate.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #270
284. If they weren't able to revive him onscene --
his chances are not good at all.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #270
285. Wow ...
He's, what, 50?
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #270
289. What will happen to those poor little kids of his when Freaky Daddy is gone?
I do feel sorry for them.

As for the rest -- I live in Santa Barbara County and I for one believe former DA Tom Sneddon: the guy should have done time.

Hekate
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #289
293. They will inherit his money and grow up semi-normal.
They're still young enough to be taught.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #293
584. Depends on who gets custody of them.
Rebe Jackson seems to have the most stable life of all the Jackson kids.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #270
290. update
UPDATE: We just got off the phone with Joe Jackson, Michael's dad, who says "he is not doing well."
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #270
291. Nothing on KPCC (local NPR) yet. I thought he lived in the ME still.
His old place on Hayvenhurst is just down the street apiece......
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #270
292. msnbc has it
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31552029/ns/entertainment-music/
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #270
294. Arrgggg...
What is going on in the world? :scared:
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #294
302. Time.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #270
295. Michael Jackson died a long time ago.
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 04:20 PM by aikoaiko



:cry:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #295
300. That is definitely the truth, aiko. Something went terribly wrong with that cute little boy. nt
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #300
471. his father could have been a factor.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #295
318. Wish I could disagree (nt)
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #295
325. That man made some good music back in the day
And was a great dancer. It's sad how his life ended up.
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #325
336. And that is so true. They say Hitler was a talented painter.
:shrug:
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #336
337. Actually Hitler wasn't very talented
He couldn't do faces or hands, that's why he didn't get into art school.
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #337
338. He should have saved a few of those matchbook covers.
...
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #338
339. Did you want to post on the topic or go off on a tangent?
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 04:57 PM by tammywammy
Wait, tangent obviously, that's why you replied about Hitler.
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #339
343. What do you want?...I fucking agreed with you. Some people can't take yes
for an answer.
jeezusfuckingchrist :eyes:
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #336
486. You know they are scraping the bottom of the barrell when they resurrect Hitler!
Some people are just so filled with hate.
Get a grip, and give it up already!
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #486
573. Godwin's Law = Assert that your opponent's argument equals supporting Hitler
Murphy's Law = "If anything bad can happen, it will."
Cole's Law = Finely chopped cabbage.
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Sheltiemama Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #325
348. We have the TVs on in the newsroom.
And the networks are playing snippets of his music. Well, God have mercy on his soul. So much talent, just wasted.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #348
492. I agree
If he did what he was accused of, I personally believe that he's paying for it now. I wasn't there I don't know. I think that that man wasn't allowed a childhood or even a decent adulthood. I think multiple people failed him. He need therapy from what he endured as a child and never got it, he was permanently stuck in a childhood state. Though from what I heard on the tv, very protective of his children and keeping them away from hearing about him, that that's what he put the kids in masks and himself b/c they would get strange looks/mutterings about being his children.

If he did what they said he did, I believe he's paying for it now. Regardless, his music lives on, and he is the King of Pop.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #270
299. Is TMZ Perez Hilton's playground?
nt
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kayla9170 Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #299
307. Please Let MJ Be Alright
This is scary. CPR does not sound good. Regardless of how people might feel about MJ, he is one of the BEST Entertainers in the World (Second to Prince IMHO). I really do not want MJ to pass and hope that people will pray for him and his family at this time. CNN just reported he was NOT BREATHING at the time of being taken to the hospital. Does not sound good. Poor Michael and the Jackson family.......
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #307
312. boo fucking hoo
:shrug:
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #312
322. Yeah, I'll pray for him -
just as I pray for all the less-affluent child molesters who couldn't buy their way out of what they did.

At least those kids have a shot a normal life now.

Boy, I'll bet Ryan O'Neal is gonna go ballistic when he hears this - drives him off the front pages.

Life is funny, but sometimes death is a whole lot more amusing....................
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #322
461. Celebs dropping like flies. Kung fu, Ed, Farrah and now Thrilla.
The wheel keeps turning.

Mortality bites us all.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #312
335. We all advertise out own class and dignity
We all advertise out own personal class and dignity in many varied ways... as you yourself have done in your post.
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #335
340. Are you suggesting I should have hoped for him to recover???
BWAHAHAHAHA

fat fucking chance
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #340
341. I make no suggestions...
I make no suggestions... merely an observation-- which now seems to be even further validated.
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342. Deleted message
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #342
344. I simply keep my eyes open to the obvious
"you're a fucking psychic."

No-- I simply keep my eyes open to the obvious. :P

It's not that difficult...
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #307
319. Pray for him? I thought you wanted him to get better!
Double-blind studies have proven that not only does prayer NOT work, in the cases where people knew they were being prayed for, they got slightly worse.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #319
531. Interesting. I did not know that. Thanks for the info...
Years ago, my grandmother was in the hospital. She fell down the stairs in the night, broke a lot of bones and had a head injury. My Dad and I went to see her at least once a day. I remember her hearing from these friends of hers, Christian Scientists, who said that they were "praying her well," or something like that. That seemed awfully looney to me since she was already in the hospital and seeing specialists to make her well... :crazy:

BTW, she did completely recover, except for losing the ability to taste most things, but it did take quite awhile... :-(
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #270
301.  KTLA: Jackson wasn't breathing when paramedics arrived
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-michael-jackson,0,4138163.story

Michael Jackson Rushed to Hospital in Cardiac Arrest

KTLA News

2:18 PM PDT, June 25, 2009


LOS ANGELES -- Pop star Michael Jackson has been taken to UCLA Medical Center by ambulance suffering from cardiac arrest, fire officials confirm.

Los Angeles Fire Department Captain Steve Ruda said paramedics responded to a 911 call at Jackson's home around 12:26 p.m. He was not breathing when they arrived. The paramedics performed CPR and took him to UCLA Medical Center, Ruda says.

It's unclear what he was being treated for or what his current condition may be.
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #301
304. We can probably safely assume he is being treated for non-breathing...
:shrug:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #301
317. If he was in the house on Hayvenhurst, and if the paramedics came from
the closest fire station (which is on Balboa just north of Ventura), they probably STILL couldn't have got to him and got him breathing again within that golden 6 minute period before the brain is gonzo.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #270
303. Wikipedia says he has died.
But Wikipedia usually jumps the gun, so to speak.
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #303
308. The reports of Wikipedia's accuracy
are grossly exaggerated.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #308
313. Yep. They have reported the death of many who are still with us-- like Ted Kennedy.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #270
306. *** VIDEO LINK REPORT ***
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thIa7ZkFHk4

Didn't want to post in 'political videos' but free free to post there if appropriate
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #270
309. He made Thriller
THRILLER!!!
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #309
316. He raped children.
CHILDREN!!!
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #316
446. Please...
We will never know if that was true. There is a difference, and I guess he's not here to defend it, is he?

Christ.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #446
578. He was acquited of all charges
but I guess for some people the court of public opinion trumps the law.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #316
513. He was convicted?
Wow that is news to me, there is a little something in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Too bad you don't support that, being it is the American way and all.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #270
321. I know he did horrible things.
Or maybe it was only allegedly... I wasn't there.

But he was a human being... and his crimes were likely influenced by his own tortured childhood. He never had a chance at a normal life.

I can't find it in my heart to focus on the bad things he did right now. He was a tragic figure. RIP
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #321
323. Oh no! Did he die?
I felt the same way about the returned growth on McCain's face... in one of Jackeen's photo threads.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #323
328. That's being reported, but I don't know how reliable it is.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #321
331. he is/was a tragic figure
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 04:44 PM by merh
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #270
326. parents of kids who let them 'hang out' with him are to blame as much as he is

although I have heard a few of them were as dumb as a box of hair, so there you go.
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hugo_from_TN Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #326
526. ridiculous
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #326
532. odd that those same kids turned up in court to testify on behalf of Jackson
smear works everytime
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #270
327. TMZ is reporting he is dead.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #327
332. Their source is probably Wikipedia, which had him dead ten minutes after his heart attack was
reported.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #332
333. TMZ is "reputable" as far as celebrity gossip goes.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #270
329. Jeez CNN and Wolfie sound like they're doing a eulogy. nt
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #270
330. TMZ says he died
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-chat/
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Gen. Jack D. Ripper Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #270
334. Kind of off topic, but...
Can I just say how amazing it is how fast things happen in the days of the internet. Moments after the guy is rushed to the hospital, his wikipedia page is updated with information, a FOX news report on the incident is already available on youtube...lol, it's quite a world we live in.
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kitty1 Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #270
345. It seems that really famous icons like Elvis, MJ die young....
Princess Diana as well. I never could picture MJ living to old age. It seemed to me that this was how he would leave with his legacy. Young and fast.
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brendan120678 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #270
349. Michael Jackson Suffers Cardiac Arrest
Source: FOX40 News

LOS ANGELES - Pop star Michael Jackson was taken by ambulance to a Los Angeles-area hospital this afternoon, according to celebrity gossip website TMZ.com.

Sources say a 9-1-1 call was received from Jackson's Holby Hills, California home shortly after 12:20pm Thursday afternoon. Paramedics performed CPR on the singer during his transport to a Los Angeles hospital.

Read more: http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-michaeljackson0625,0,4962701.story


Just breaking now, from what I can tell...
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #349
350. If they were doing CPR 98% chance he's dead.
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brendan120678 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #350
351. What's the "success" rate when CPR is performed?
I've heard somewhere that it's somewhere from like 15 - 20%.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #351
353. Very low, except with drowning victims.
In 7 years as EMT I've never saw a "successful" CPR
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #353
364. My 88-yr-old grandfather was "successfully" resuscitated after
45 minutes of paramedics trying. Unfortunately his kidneys and brain and diaphragm didn't get the message. He was on life support for a couple of days until my sister could get to my grandmother's side and have him turned off.......
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #364
402. my FIL, also.
same story. took some doing to get them to pull the plug. it was really disturbing.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #402
407. We were lucky. My grandmother took it well and was realistic about things.
My sister and I both thought ending life support was the only rational course of action, and the hospital and his doctors were in total agreement. He had a good, long life, and never knew what hit him.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #407
408. my FIl went out in a way that would have made him happy
dropped over at work at the age of 74. still working his usual couple of jobs as a cook. the hospital was definitely milking it, insisting that we had to wait several days to see if he would improve. his eeg was not quite flat, so they kept him going. it was sad.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #353
393. Sadly, that's because CPR is often not performed as soon after the incident as it should be.
Most people are found too late, or those who find them are either untrained and in a panic.

This is not a good sign.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #393
398. I bet most people don't know that. More reason for those of us
who go into action instead of panic to get some training. :(
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #398
403. Make your whole family learn. As you know, the techniques adust every few years.
So long as they know the principles, it's easy to keep them apprised.

I really think all schools should teach and certify their students every year.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
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355. my friend is an E.R. doc .... he says most of the time when they do CPR ...
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 04:09 PM by Botany
.... they are just buying a little time. Because if there is organic disease or traumatic injury to the heart and circulatory tissue
than it is just a matter of time. Except if somebody is younger and gets like an electric shock or something and then they re-start
the heart then the person has a better chance.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #350
378. MSNBC just reported that he wasn't breathing when the EMT arrived.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #349
352. i didn't know he was even in the US. hmmm....
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #349
354. Wow, Holy Crap
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #349
356. My guess: prescription medication. nt
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
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357. that's one of the rumors
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #356
358. Wouldn't be surprised if it were self-inflicted
To my point of view, the guy's been through absolute hell from his childhood on. Almost couldn't blame him if that were the case.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
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359. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #359
360. POTD
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
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361. Sorry, I don't speak "twit".??
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Indydem Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #361
365. Post of the day.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
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366. Thanks. I'm really old.
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Lebam in LA Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #366
384. Me Too
Had no clue what it meant
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #366
395. Dude... you must be almost, like... 30... or something!
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
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397. damn near 50.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #361
367. LOL - Post of the Day
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #361
438. it was a compliment, since rescinded
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #359
362. bravo calling it as it is. :claps:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #359
374. Meanwhile, many Catholic pedophiles get off Scott free...

so to speak.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #359
376. Knock, knock........ Excuse me..........
Would you think me exceptionally forward, perhaps even pushy, if I were to tell you that I think I love you?
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Locut0s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #349
363. If he dies there are sure to be lots of child molestation/good riddance jokes but...
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 04:21 PM by Locut0s
he was a HELL of a dancer/singer in his time. And I for one don't wish death on anyone.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
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369. Sad what he became...if he goes we'll try to remember the good over the bad.
n.t.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
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370. Agreed
I feel sorry for him more than anything else at this point, given the path he's gone down; I started watching/listening to his older stuff recently in a fit of nostalgia-mining (and also with some years' musical practice since I last listened to him much) and found I enjoyed his older stuff a lot more now.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #349
368. breaking: not breathing when paramedics arrived
http://twitter.com/BreakingNews
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #349
371. Update - don't know the source
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 04:55 PM by Lithos
He was found dead, apparently due to a suicide attempt with sleeping pills

http://michael.jackson.swellserver.com/news/top_stories/musician-overdose.php


On edit - Note: above link is fictitious...
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
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373. I think it may be bogus.
Click on the "World News" icon on the upper right.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
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372. Dad's extremely worried.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31552029/ns/entertainment-music/

<<E! News reports online that Jackson's father, Joe Jackson, said, "I am in Las Vegas but, yes, people in Los Angeles called me and are with Michael and tell me he was taken to the hospital. His mother is on her way to the hospital now to check in on him. I am not sure what's wrong. I am waiting to hear back from them."<<

Wow. What concern.
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kayla9170 Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
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375. ****PRAY FOR MICHAEL JACKSON******
This is scary. CPR does not sound good. Regardless of how people might feel about MJ, he is one of the BEST Entertainers in the World (Second to Prince IMHO). I really do not want MJ to pass and hope that people will pray for him and his family at this time. CNN just reported he was NOT BREATHING at the time of being taken to the hospital. Does not sound good. Poor Michael and the Jackson family.......
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
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377. Studies have proven that prayer does nothing at all.
NT!
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
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379. Thank you. n/t
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #377
383. That's not true.
Studies have shown that people who are prayed for actually fare worse, at least when they know they are being prayed for.

http://web.med.harvard.edu/sites/RELEASES/html/3_31STEP.html
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
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391. Actually, you're right. I just neglected to point that out.
Did in the other thread, though.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #377
405. self-delete
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 05:24 PM by LanternWaste
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lanlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
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380. Praying is useless
It will not bring him back from the brink of death.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #375
382. He's more entertaining offstage than he is on...
The man almost singlehandedly supported the tabloid industry for years.

But I still hope he pulls through...
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #375
406. There are none more useless
and ignorant, than they that seek answers on their knees, with their eyes closed. - anon
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:34 PM
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418. He is, fortunately, very dead.
...
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Ticonderoga Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:49 PM
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466. We get it you don't like MJ...now stop being a dick about it
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #466
520. +1

n/t
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #418
535. Congrats. You've won asshole of the thread yet again.
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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 07:30 PM
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603. And you, unfortunately, are an asshole for that comment. Grave dancing's a really ugly practice n/t
Edited on Sat Jun-27-09 07:32 PM by ObamaKerryDem
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
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409. joe Jackson was a brutal abuser...
There is plenty of information from family members and witnesses about what a tyrant
and an abuser Joe Jackson was to those kids. One of the Jackson girls alleged that her father
sexually abused her, but she quickly recanted after the rest of the family (those totally in
denial, playing the role of the "good children" who meanwhile were destroying themselves from the
pain) rallied around Joe.

It doesn't take a private detective to figure out what was going on in that family.

So very tragic and sad.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #372
410. not much he could do in las vegas
an hour flight and a 4 hour drive to la.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #372
432. One less witness against him ...
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #349
381. MSNBC now reporting.
Quoting LA Times that his family stated he had a heart attack.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
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385. TMZ now reporting he is dead - RIP Michael n/t
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kayla9170 Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
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389. Michael Jackson has died
TMZ is reporting that Michael Jackson has passed. OMG!!!!!

http://www.tmz.com/
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #349
386. Jim Moret on CNN;
"Family reports he's not faring well."
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
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390. hes shuufled of his mortal coil and good riddence.
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Locut0s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
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387. He died
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 PM
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