Abortion foes fear backlash to Tiller's murder

[underpants]

Source: AP/Yahoo

*if it it smells like pre-emptive spin and browbeating to hold off the wolves, it probably is*

NEW YORK – Anti-abortion leaders voiced concern Sunday that the Obama administration and other Democrats may try to capitalize on the murder of Dr. George Tiller to defuse the abortion issue in upcoming Supreme Court confirmation hearings.

Many anti-abortion groups condemned the killing of Tiller, a prominent abortion provider who was shot dead at his church in Wichita, Kan. But they expressed concern that abortion-rights activists would use the occasion to brand the entire anti-abortion movement as extremist.

They also worried that there would now be an effort to stifle anti-abortion viewpoints during questioning of Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor. Her exact views on abortion aren't known, but conservatives fear she supports abortion rights.

According to the National Abortion Federation, Tiller was the eighth U.S. abortion provider murdered since 1977, and 17 others had been targeted with attempted murder.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090531/ap_on_re_us/us_tiller_reaction_2

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See Randall Terry's direct quotes from this article here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5754996&mesg_id=5754996

[ck4829]

1. If they want to sow the wind...

They just better be prepared to reap the whirlwind.

[MikeNearMcChord]

2. Well when you call down the thunder

expect to be zapped by lightning. Violence begets violence, should have paid more attention to the teachings of Christ, "pro-lifers".

[NJmaverick]

3. Notice they don't care about the victims of their terrorist attack

just their loss of power. Right wing terrorists scum

[NYC Liberal]

13. I was just going to post the SAME thing.

Typical of them.

[NJmaverick]

15. Exactly that and they used it as a platform to attack our President

[JerseygirlCT]

24. Exactly.

It's mind-boggling, it really is. The utter lack of empathy from the people who want to be seen as the champions of life.

Right.

[Auggie]

4. Screw them

[pattmarty]

29. I don't want to dispute your use of language, but I believe "fuck em all"...........

..........would be a better phrase. Just my opinion.

[sofa king]

53. No! That's just what they want. Without condoms.

Be fruitful and multiply, until Jay-sus comes back, since he's the only one who can feed all of 'em.

[Fresh_Start]

5. I think a wonderful backlash would be .....

no guns for the religious.

Why would they need guns to begin with, they have God's good grace to watch over them and 'when its your time, its your time'.....

[tomm2thumbs]

6. Watch this pro-lifer video about tiller's death and see the hate they soak in *** LINK ***

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsk9z7a67IA

I urge you to comment but would rather someone download the video for use if they should pull it. Showing the type of elements that are on the pro-life side makes their arguments of Christian values and loving the sinner and not the sin, etc completely moot.

[Lorien]

36. They aren't pro-life, they're anti-choice

they don't give a damn about any life that has exited the womb or isn't a human vegetable.

[KansDem]

7. "...use the occasion to brand the entire anti-abortion movement as extremist."

They aren't? :crazy:

Are they saying there are "moderate" anti-abortionists? Centrism comes to "pro-lifers?"

How can you seek to deny someone a Constitutionally-protected right and be considered "moderate?" Or "centrist?"

[Tangerine LaBamba]

8. They murdered a law-abiding man,

who was doing his job because his job didn't jibe with their religious beliefs.

How do these people differ from Al Qaeda, and why aren't we hunting them down and throwing them into Gitmo?

[katandmoon]

9. Oh please. Obama and the Dems readily bend over to appease right wing terrorists.

These anti-choicers really don't know Dems very well, do they?

[krispos42]

10. "I'm shocked, SHOCKED that this would happen!"

"We've spend 36 years screaming at the top of our lungs that abortion is murder, abortion doctors are murders, and that we need to protect the unborn! WHO COULD HAVE IMAGINED that somebody would take this as a reason to kill an abortion doctor!"



How long until we get the standard Repub quote "I don't think anybody could have anticipated..."



:puke:

[MasonJar]

11. This murderer is a terrorist, so will Obama put him in "preventive detention"?

Or will he get a fair trial with judge and jury and all the trappings? As to the anti-abortionists, this is one of theirs, so hopefully they are thwarted in their agenda in every possible way.

[TankLV]

12. And they should be afraid - and we should capitalize on these VERMIN!!!

And put them in their holes PERMANENTLY, once and for all!!!

NOBODY has control of a individual woman's BODY but THAT WOMAN!!!

[NoodleyAppendage]

14. TOUGH SHIT. Suck it up...you fascists LOST 2008, so it's our turn to return logic and reason. n/t

J

[dkf]

16. OMG, they are worried about the impact on their grilling of Sotomayor?

That is sick. Just sick.

[EFerrari]

17. Because at bottom they are cowards. I hope they don't sleep for weeks.

[patrice]

18. There are no such things as "Abortion Foes"

What with support for many forms of profound Ideologically Driven, Economic and Social Oppression, including Endless War and State Religion, we're only quibbling over who draws the line.

[Pharlo]

19. They murder doctors and fear

the loss of political clout?

Incomprehensible.

[myrna minx]

20. So yet again, they try to paint *themselves* as the victims of this act of domestic terrorism

that they *wink* encouraged. :puke:

[underpants]

34. Playing victim-that is what it is

I couldn't get it when I was doing the original post

They are still browbeating the press to at least include a "Pro-lifers deeply regret...." line in every report

[myrna minx]

40. They want it all--Oh yes, they *wink* "deeply regret" what happened, but they

don't want this forty year old emotionally charged propaganda campaign, that provoked this attack to further the persecution of the bat shit crazy Christo-fascists. * They always manage to shriek that moral judgment of their own inexcusable, immoral, depraved behavior should never be examined, because that's Christian PERSECUTION!111!1!

* I'm a half assed Christian who finds these people beyond immoral and despicable. "Pro Life" indeed. :puke:

[underpants]

41. 7 murders (possibly 8)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5756875

[myrna minx]

45. Thanks for your other post.

I'm beyond outraged by this long line of hate crimes and domestic terrorism that is indulged by the media as "isolated" events or otherwise excused because these murderous acts were "just committed" by right wing "Christian freedom fighters" otherwise known as domestic terrorists. In my opinion, the media thinks that these terrorists deserve a seat at the table so we can see "both sides" even when one side is a murderous terrorist organization, known by the media as Randell Terry et al's "Pro-Life Christians"tm and the other is side is deemed "controversial" because they are working by doing public health service within the rule of law. *

*I'm a Christian who believes that post birth children need care and nurturing. I'm not a fetus fetishist. I'm a Christian who thinks that these terrorists need to keep their ideology out of my doctor's office.

[kestrel91316]

21. I hope they are peeing in their pants. I hope this guy can be directly

linked to Operation "Rescue" or some such. I hope he has journals full of his plans and the names of his buddies.

And I can see a time when some liberal with a gun will have had QUITE ENOUGH OF THIS BS and march into some fundie church on Sanday and give these fucking hypocrites a taste of their own medicine.

[krispos42]

22. I saved this video on my computer's hard drive.

And I've expressed stronger opinions in the YouTube thread.


Fucking assholes, all of them. I don't see THEM lining up to adopt children. I don't see waiting lines of eager couples at the adoption centers.

Fucking assholes.

[JerseygirlCT]

23. So let me get this straight

One of their own, spurred on no doubt by the extremist language used by the likes of Randall Terry, kills a dedicated and brave doctor in cold blood. And it's now the fault of the pro-choice people in the country somehow? If we mention the victim or the crime, we're exaggerating this for political reasons, right?

They're so twisted. And I don't mean that in a good way.

[krispos42]

25. Dammit, he disabled comments for the video!

Fucking coward. Just a fucking coward.

He called Tiller's killer a FREEDOM FIGHTER!!!


Fucking asshole coward! :grr:

[Wapsie B]

26. Live by the sword.............

[Ilsa]

27. Fuck them. Fuck them and their terrorism. Fuck them and their hatred of women. nt

[Downwinder]

28. Where are the FBI infiltrators when there are real terrorists?

Well, NSA has all of his electronic contacts since 2001, or do they?

Everybody he associated with in the last 8 years can be rendered to Gitmo and interrogated. The sources of income of any groups the shooter was a member of can be frozen and the principle parties of the groups can be incarcerated for supporting terroristic activities. I would guess that would cover both Religious and Political groups as it has in the past.

[corpseratemedia]

39. very good question and points

i'll be waiting for our homeland security to detain these terrorists

but i bet i'll be waiting a long long time, since these terrorists are the GOP base

[bunkerbuster1]

30. See, all they ever have to fear is a "backlash."

If more of these vile terrorist pigfuckers feared for more than just a lil' ol' backlash, maybe they'd think twice before screaming "baby killer."

[Downwinder]

32. If they really cared about lives they would be out protesting

wars and the death penalty.

[donco6]

35. But they'll never get one.

And they know it.

[AzDar]

31. They are all unapologetic domestic terrorists. Ship 'em to Gitmo.

:puke:

[patrice]

33. Torture them to identify the murderer's accomplices. nt

[dgibby]

37. What they should be worried about is that, according to CNN,

the pro-life web sites are being investigated by the police.

[L0oniX]

38. Damn terrorists.

[no_hypocrisy]

42. He who troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind.

[hayu_lol]

43. These people are terrorists...

and this crime is a 'hate crime.' They should be treated, by the Feds, as full-blown terrorists. Randall Terry should be arrested as an accomplice.

To make the point, we need peaceful demonstrations in front of this guy's home, the schools where his kids or grandkids attend, his place of employment, all his friends and relatives, his church, his pastor's home and so on.

Enough of this slaughter.

[glinda]

44. Ya think?

:sarcasm:

[xchrom]

46. recommend -- they should be shaking in their boots. nt

[Downwinder]

47. Shooter associated with Operation Rescue and Freemen.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5755550

[The Wizard]

48. The American Taliban

strikes again.
Using religion to either commit mayhem or shirk responsibility is immoral. They are immoral.

[Downwinder]

49. I don't think freedom of religion extends to murder. n/t

[get the red out]

50. The Left and Obama pushed people just too far!!!!

That will be the apologist's creed by tomorrow. They will say the left and Obama have just gone too far outside the "mainstream" on abortion and that is why this tragedy has happened, not that they condone it (wink - nod).

That line of thinking will bubble up from Michael Savage or maybe even Rush through some carefully chosen callers and/or innuendo. Then it will surface as some kind of opposition point on more mainstream shows until (if it goes the right's way) you almost get to the point that you forget a murder actually ever took place. And "terrorist" will never be mentioned (because you can't be a Christian and a terrorist, only Muslim's are terrorists, we all know that!).

But then if we go after these people, make the media respond to reality for a change, maybe they won't own the talk.

[jpak]

51. Boo fucking hoo - ye reap what ye sow assholes. In this case the wind.

Dear extremists and domestic terra-ists, Obama has every extra-constitutional presidential investigative/prosecution/incarceration power the GOP willing granted Bush to battle A/Q terra-ists.

Too bad for you.

[muntrv]

52. Well, pro-fetus crowd! You reap what you sow, hypocrites!

[sorrowspath]

54. They are not pro-life

Nor are they pro-birth, they are PRO-Statistics and Pro-Baptism. They wanted more and more uneducated people to be born in a society of poverty so they can more lobbying power. It really is StarWars after all. It's their grand plan of controlling the US and once they elected a theocratic president and have our Nukes for their disposal, then Darth Sideous will have his very own Holy Roman Emperor and weapons of mass destruction to wage war on those evil "non believers of faerie tales "

[onager]

55. These scum are years overdue for some SERIOUS backlash

The abortion debate first turned deadly in 1993, when Dr. David Gunn was shot and killed by an anti-abortion zealot in Pensacola, FL. In addition, twelve arsons, one bombing, and 66 blockades were carried out against abortion clinics during that year.

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/violence/FACE_act.html

Now just what do you think would happen if 12 churches or schools were burned down by fanatics in one year?

The abortion "debate" has always been weirdly one-sided, and it is way past time the pro-choice side fought back, IMO. While few people will agree with me, I'm sure, my definition of "fight back" is the same one expressed by Malcolm X.

The anti-choicers (or as I like to call them, Women-Killers) have been having it their own way since 1973, and it has emboldened them.

I can't think of any other area of political dispute where I would NOT go to jail if I terrorized my opponents by picketing their homes, putting their addresses, pictures and CHILDREN's pictures on a web site, etc. etc.

Yet these sanctimonious assholes have been getting away with it for decades.

And I don't for a minute buy their bullshit press releases about Tiller's murder. "We're shocked and horrified..."

Really? You spend years soaking the area in gasoline, knowing good and well that eventually some nut will light a match. And then try to convince me you're "shocked?" My ass.

(For anyone wondering, I'm male. One of my favorite aunts barely survived an illegal abortion when she was a very young woman, so I tend to rant on this particular subject.)