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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 09:54 PM
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Bank of America to need $34 bln in capital-source
Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON, May 5 (Reuters) - Bank of America (BAC.N) has been deemed to need an additional $34 billion in capital, according to the results of a government stress test, a source familiar with the results said on Tuesday.

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The amount is far higher than published reports had speculated the largest bank might need. It is certain to increase the pressure on Chief Executive Kenneth Lewis, whom shareholders ousted as chairman last week.

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The $34 billion figure more than triples previously published reports of Bank of America's capital needs.

The bank's shareholders voted to oust Lewis last week as chairman of the board, possibly laying the groundwork for his eventual departure from the company.

The bank has already received $45 billion in capital from the federal government.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN0552030420090506
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 09:58 PM
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1. $34 billion, no sweat
Do they take credit cards?
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 11:12 PM
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18. Yes, but for them there is no usury rate imposed...
just a pat and a wink and... no sweat. The taxpayers have this one covered ;-o
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 06:31 AM
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36. The taxpayers and their customers.
I know for a fact that BOA has indeed raised Credit Card fees on customers, as I am one of them. However to be fair, they have not raised the interest rate on the balance.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:08 AM
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41. Absolutely not true.
I have a letter from them dated April 2nd, stating their intention as of the June 2009 billing cycle to raise the interest rates on "new and existing purchases, balance transfers and cash advances."

By all means, let's be fair, and let's not give them credit that they don.t deserve.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 09:59 PM
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2. BOA outsources a hell of a lot....
Let other countries bail out the bastards. I'm getting pretty damn sick and tired of doing so.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 09:59 PM
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3. Oooh! A "source"!
Doesn't anybody go on the record anymore?
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 10:04 PM
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4. I thought they were getting that money by gouging their c/c holders
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 10:04 PM
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5. And if I say no?
Why, exactly, do we need this bank?
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 01:27 AM
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24. There's been no indication yet that it will come from taxpayers.
From the article:

It's unclear how Bank of America might raise necessary capital, including whether it does so by selling assets or by issuing more common stock.

The bank has said it may sell its First Republic Bank business. It also could sell some or all of its holdings in China Construction Bank (601939.SS) (0939.HK), China's No.2 lender.

If it is unable to sell enough assets, it might be forced to convert some of the government's preferred shares into common stock. This would dilute existing shareholders, and could leave the government as one of the bank's biggest shareholders. . . . Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said on Tuesday that most of the capital-needy banks will be able to raise additional capital through "either issuance of new capital or through conversions and exchanges, or the sales of assets and other measures."
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 01:48 AM
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26. They got $45 billion from taxpayers already. They need $34 billion.
Their entire market capitalization is only $69 billion.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=bac

We're $10 billion underwater now, assuming all other shareholders are completely zeroed. They have no assets. They have no future without the taxpayers.

Personally, I said pull the plug before they got the first money. They're ill-run and broke, selfish, short sighted and lousy business people. What's to like?

Kiss the $45 billion goodbye and let them go. Better than kissing $79 billion and then letting go.
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 02:00 AM
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28. There's enough in government owned preferred shares
to raise the $34 billion simply by converting it to common stock. They're also claiming they can raise it by selling assets or issuing more stock.

Whatever the case, it sounds like the government won't have to give them more money to meet the capital demands -- though I wouldn't be surprised if the government gives it to them anyway.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 05:48 AM
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33. So, in effect - they are nationalizing themselves? Without the R/W
noise machine screaming commie/pinko/fascist.

hmmm
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 06:16 AM
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35. Exactly...
.... it's ludicrous to think that this 34 billion will "fix" the bank. It's 34 billion now, and another 50 billion when the next wave of mortgages default, and then another 100 billion when the final wave defaults.

How or why Obama thinks he can fix this by printing money is beyond me.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 01:58 AM
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27. So if we own the banks that fail
Edited on Wed May-06-09 02:04 AM by earcandle
We reorganize them and sell them back to the private market,
right?

We are part and whole of that private part.
We are those who must manage those who represent us.
We own a government that belongs to us. 

We own a government we fund with our taxes to provide us with
services 
and management to work out how to provide us with services
that give us 
what is necessary to have a fully working, intelligent,
educated, healthy 
and cultured civilized nation, right?  

Everything that stops that is politics, and needs to be
crushed. 

But how will we know what to do?  

Find the knowledge, and the people who manage knowledge to
help us get out. 

They are around especially in San Francisco.
London, NYC, Finland.  France. 

http://www.noodlebrain.com/EchoBop.mp3
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 10:04 PM
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6. Fuck this shit
I am so fed up with those thieving bastards.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 06:56 AM
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37. How much are the "Executive Bonuses"
Oops they won't tell us

Ass-clowns
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 10:06 PM
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7. You know how the credit card companies apply payments to your lowest interest rate balance
... I say we give our money to less expensive and risky recipients.

I can get myself out of debt for less than $34,000!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 10:08 PM
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8. i need about 6000 to stay out of bankruptcy....
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 10:14 PM
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9. Sure...Fire your Top-Paid 50 Executives FIRST!
They cause your company to fail in the first place... they don't need another bonus.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 10:16 PM
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10. Chrysler's in bankuptcy. Do the same for these fuckers.
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 10:24 PM
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12. Damn Straight! n/t
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 10:18 PM
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11. Not one more penny. And I don't want the Federal Reserve printing up money for them, either. (nt)
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 10:24 PM
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13. If they can't raise capital in the private sector, they should be seized, not bailed
Treasury should seize the holding company, put it in Chapter 11.
FDIC pays the depositors.
Just like they did with Washington Mutual.

But in Wall Street-owned America, these bastards will get their $34 billion of tax money next week and then raise your interest rates and hammer you with fees.

:mad:
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 02:13 AM
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29. Just say no. Don't pay them.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 10:38 PM
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14. Someone needs to stick a fork into BoA and tell them they are done!
Liquidate BoA's assets and let's move on.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 10:42 PM
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15. So seniors can't get a COLA raise for 2-yrs but these fuckers get billions?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 01:15 AM
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23. Makes me want to scream.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 02:14 AM
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30. Make it really loud, don't hurt yourself. Use a bullhorn.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 10:50 PM
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16. They need to raise more than that - I WANT MY 401K back!
Of course, it is just pennies compared to that amount, but it was alot of money to me....

assholes!
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 02:22 AM
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31. You think this makes you mad? How does...
creating a water scare, providing"trusted" clean
water in plastic bottles,
and then realizing that these plastic water bottles emit
chemicals that
cause hormonal imbalances that lead to a product called
viagra?

If I were a boy, or a woman who wanted children and couldn't,
I would be
suing these fuckers.  What are we doing?  Watching the news go
by, getting high blood pressure,
dropping dead.

Not too smart. 

We RE SMARTER THAN THIS.
wAKE UP ROCKERS.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 11:01 PM
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17. forget it - until they bring all jobs back, to usa - stop giving these entities money n/t
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 11:31 PM
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19. Bank of America buys Merrill lynch for 50 billion.
They buy Countrywide for 4 billion, exposing the company to untold amounts of toxic mortgages.

The CEO hosts a conference call with other corporate heads to formulate a strategy to defeat the passage of the Employee Free Choice Act.

They almost double the interest rates on their best credit card customers.

They increase fees on their customers savings and checking accounts an additional 65%.

Fuck Bank of America. Time for them to fold.

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strategery blunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 11:55 PM
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20. Hey BoA, only if you want to pay the feds 25% interest...
Just like you did to me! :grr:
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 12:28 AM
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21. Bank of America needs to be either 1) shut down or 2) grant us a complete clean slate
on BoA credit cards and give us 300+ point jump in our credit report, then I, as the owner of Bank of America, will approve the transaction.

What? I'm a taxpayer, I'm paying for these fuckups. I think I can demand what I want in exchange for my money.

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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 01:00 AM
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22. Does anyone here use BOA?
It seems everyone in the entire country, of every political stripe, is outraged by these thieving bums (and the worthless politicians who are transferring our money to them). But I wonder how many people have actually yanked their deposits and switched to a credit union.
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 01:30 AM
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25. Okay then i want them to cough up Shawmut bank and Bank of Boston .
They can spin off the banks they took over.


BTW Bank of Boston gave reliable dividends for over TWO HUNDRED YEARS before bank of america took them over.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 02:26 AM
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32. Maybe you can get them back. Try to. Ask gov to clean it up and give it back. Let the city buy it.
or something like that. 
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 05:54 AM
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34. We should let BOA fail
I am sick of giving money to these bastards who take it and party on it.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:26 AM
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38. K&R
:kick:
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InfiniteThoughts Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:44 AM
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39. i am sorry but i have to say this aloud ...
$34 BILLION

As in $34,000,000,000 ....

over and above the $45 billion that you received from the government ...

do the bankers realized that billion is a lot of money and not chump change! They should be ashamed of themselves for landing in such trouble ...

NATIONALIZE THESE BANKS ... They have no right to remain in private hands after what they have done. $79 BILLION would buy healthcare for entire US population for a year!
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:02 AM
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40. And America needs the EFCA, so B of A can suck it until they STFU trying to derail it.
And I'm a B of A account holder, but I'm also a proud Teamster wife. :)
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:22 AM
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42. time to say ENOUGH already!!!
ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH!!

:dem: :kick:

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