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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 05:32 AM
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An invention that could change the internet for ever
Source: The Independent

The biggest internet revolution for a generation will be unveiled this month with the launch of software that will understand questions and give specific, tailored answers in a way that the web has never managed before.


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The new system, Wolfram Alpha, showcased at Harvard University in the US last week, takes the first step towards what many consider to be the internet's Holy Grail – a global store of information that understands and responds to ordinary language in the same way a person does.

Although the system is still new, it has already produced massive interest and excitement among technology pundits and internet watchers.

Computer experts believe the new search engine will be an evolutionary leap in the development of the internet. Nova Spivack, an internet and computer expert, said that Wolfram Alpha could prove just as important as Google. "It is really impressive and significant," he wrote. "In fact it may be as important for the web (and the world) as Google, but for a different purpose.

Tom Simpson, of the blog Convergenceofeverything.com, said: "What are the wider implications exactly? A new paradigm for using computers and the web? Probably. Emerging artificial intelligence and a step towards a self-organising internet? Possibly... I think this could be big."

Wolfram Alpha will not only give a straight answer to questions such as "how high is Mount Everest?", but it will also produce a neat page of related information – all properly sourced – such as geographical location and nearby towns, and other mountains, complete with graphs and charts.

The real innovation, however, is in its ability to work things out "on the fly", according to its British inventor, Dr Stephen Wolfram. If you ask it to compare the height of Mount Everest to the length of the Golden Gate Bridge, it will tell you. Or ask what the weather was like in London on the day John F Kennedy was assassinated, it will cross-check and provide the answer. Ask it about D sharp major, it will play the scale. Type in "10 flips for four heads" and it will guess that you need to know the probability of coin-tossing. If you want to know when the next solar eclipse over Chicago is, or the exact current location of the International Space Station, it can work it out.


Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/an-invention-that-could-change-the-internet-for-ever-1678109.html



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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 05:45 AM
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1. I saw that article
But I can't say I understand it. :(
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 08:13 AM
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13. You'll have to wait on the software and ask
questions and have it give you specific, tailored answers in a way that the web has never managed before.
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Optical.Catalyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 05:51 AM
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2. But if you ask it a question about Republicans, it would blow a fuse. n/t
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 05:54 AM
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3. So, just like Ask Jeeves, then?
:hide:
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dethl Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 06:06 AM
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4. If Wolfram Alpha's AI can truly learn over time
that will be one of the biggest advances in computing in quite some time. Probably one of the scariest too. I don't know if the world is ready to grasp the idea of a truly self-aware machine.
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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 06:30 AM
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5. I look forward to the day when I can vote for a machine for President.
:o
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 06:55 AM
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9. Much like Republicans, our Silicon Overlords will not be interested in holding elections.
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 06:45 PM
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28. Some might argue that Machines already have voted for a human president
(cue conspiracy music...)
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:15 AM
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15. Didn't someone already write this
script???


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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 02:42 PM
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27. Skynet will chastise you for your insolence.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 06:40 AM
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6. :google: already does that
Edited on Sun May-03-09 06:49 AM by Why Syzygy
how high is Mt Everest

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10 flips for four heads
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Probability Using Factorials
Anyway, however you do it, figure out that 210 = 1024. So there are 1024 paths in 10 coin flips. Next we need to know how many of them have exactly 4 heads. ...
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compare the height of Mount Everest to the length of the Golden Gate Bridge
News story is skewing results.

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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 06:48 AM
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7. I'm going to ask it, "Is there an exception to the rule that there is an exception to every rule?".
They'll never be able to find me to send me an invoice for breaking it.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 06:50 AM
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8. google
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:14 AM
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10. its skynet I tell you n/t
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:33 AM
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21. Right on the eve of "Terminator: Salvation" too. n/t
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:53 AM
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11. Input, output , throughput..it all boils down to the data out there in cyberspace.
Edited on Sun May-03-09 07:54 AM by Historic NY
I find google frustrating sometimes because it picks bad stuff along with the good. You still have to sort the info to sometimes come up with the answer your looking for. What does this search engine offer? How does its deal with the irrelevant info?
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 08:01 AM
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12. All Republicans will type 'NO'...
and the answer will be 'Republican + NO' is right-wing asshole
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 08:37 AM
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14. Reminds me of one of the best Short Stories ever written - Fredric Brown, “Answer”

http://jahandost.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/fredric-browns-answer/

Fredric Brown’s Answer

Dwan Ev ceremoniously soldered the final connection with gold. The eyes of a dozen television cameras watched him and the
subether bore throughout the universe a dozen pictures of what he was doing.

He straightened and nodded to Dwar Reyn, then moved to a position beside the switch that would complete the contact when he threw
it. The switch that would connect, all at once, all of the monster computing machines of all the populated planets in the
universe — ninety-six billion planets — into the supercircuit that would connect them all into one supercalculator, one
cybernetics machine that would combine all the knowledge of all the galaxies.

Dwar Reyn spoke briefly to the watching and listening trillions. Then after a moment’s silence he said, “Now, Dwar Ev.”
Dwar Ev threw the switch. There was a mighty hum, the surge of power from ninety-six billion planets. Lights flashed and quieted
along the miles-long panel.

Dwar Ev stepped back and drew a deep breath. “The honor of asking the first question is yours, Dwar Reyn.”
“Thank you,” said Dwar Reyn. “It shall be a question which no single cybernetics machine has been able to answer.”
He turned to face the machine. “Is there a God?”

The mighty voice answered without hesitation, without the clicking of a single relay.
“Yes, now there is a God.”

Sudden fear flashed on the face of Dwar Ev. He leaped to grab the switch.
A bolt of lightning from the cloudless sky struck him down and fused the switch shut.

(Fredric Brown, “Answer”)

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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:16 AM
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16. Scary Stuff
Dr Wolfram, an award-winning physicist who is based in America, added that the information is "curated", meaning it is assessed first by experts. This means that the weaknesses of sites such as Wikipedia, where doubts are cast on the information because anyone can contribute, are taken out. It is based on his best-selling Mathematica software, a standard tool for scientists, engineers and academics for crunching complex maths.


The engine, which will be free to use, works by drawing on the knowledge on the internet, as well as private databases. Dr Wolfram said he expected that about 1,000 people would be needed to keep its databases updated with the latest discoveries and information.


He also added that he would not go down the road of storing information on ordinary people, although he was aware that others might use the technology to do so.


I'd like to know who the "experts" are that will "curate" the information. For instance will they take out views like we have on DU because they don't think they are relevant to the question asked? I'd also like to know who's private databases will be accessed? I most certainly want to know just what type of information may be stored on ordinary Americans and how would this differ with what is currently done?

I'd sure like to know more about this.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:54 AM
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18. So it's actually not AI, but an edited database by select folks.
They've gone to some trouble, then, but it's hardly earth shattering.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 02:30 PM
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24. So yahoo basically?
yawn
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canetoad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 02:40 PM
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26. On the internet
no one knows if you are an expert or a dog.
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:32 AM
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17. More than a little scary
If it stores personal information would the government be able to ask it a question about us? Is so and so an enemy of the Bush administration? Give me the names of all those who have written against the "blank" administration? What will be it's idea of an enemy? Who will be able to program this AI? Will they little by little screen out voices they don't want us to hear? I find this more than a little scary. Does anyone else ?
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:08 AM
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19. Is it called Skynet?
Edited on Sun May-03-09 10:37 AM by Iggo
:hide:

ETA: Oops. Mikehiggins already joked about this way back in response #10. Mad props, Mike.
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:26 AM
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20. Cuil! n/t
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:57 AM
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22. Gonna name it Hal??
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Stargleamer Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:31 PM
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23. A sneak-peak at Wolfram-Alpha . . .
if interested in seeing a sneak peak at Wolfram-Alpha click here:
<http://www.altsearchengines.com/2009/05/02/a-sneak-preview-of-wolfram-alpha/>
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 02:38 PM
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25. Just like the Segway changed how we get around cities forever.
:eyes:
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:37 PM
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29. Pfffft... What I'd REALLY like to see:
1) Privacy
2) Bandwidth... massive bandwidth (no more Time Warner bullshit)
3) Net neutrality forever

Give me those three things and I'll pay attention.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 08:21 PM
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30. This program is based on a false premise.
We don't want "an answer" to a question.

It is only some in some rarefied world that what we are looking for is a simple answer. We are seeking more information, since the world is an ambiguous, opinionated world, where there is no objective truth, except for questions like what is 7.777615 x 6.980796.

This isn't going to "change the internet forever," IMO.
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